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    i somehow managed to unpin an app from the start menu.  I searched help for pin application and nothing comes up. how do you pin an app back to the start menu? 
    Friday, March 02, 2012 5:43 AM

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     From the Start Screen, type the name of the application you unpinned (such as cmd, Desktop, or Run).  The Search dialog should appear on the right side of the screen. The name of the application should appear in teh Search Result details of the screen.  Right-click the tile. A selection of tasks appears on the botton of the screen.  Click Pin to Start.

    ­Mike Stephens [MSFT] | Support Escalation Engineer | Windows Distributed Systems | Charlotte, NC USA

    Friday, March 02, 2012 5:57 AM
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    i'm using a table, there is no mouse! I tried holding the app icon, it dropped the icon down a little, I saw a check mark but by the time I moved my finger to the check mark the icon slid back up. any other ideas?
    Friday, March 02, 2012 3:38 PM
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    oh wow, that soooo intuitive.. oh. no, it's really not. How are my users supposed to know what to even type in the search window?

    Has anyone at Microsoft used this in the enterprise? I just don't see it working yet.

    Friday, March 02, 2012 3:47 PM
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    After you find the app through the search, touch and drag the app down a little bit. It will then get selected and decorated with a checkmark and the context menu at the bottom will stay up until you have selected the Pin to Start option.

    /Per

    Per Salmi, Software Developer .NET Technologies PerSalmi.NET


    Friday, March 02, 2012 3:47 PM
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    I shouldn't have to "find" my app, it should be there, and I shouldn't have to be forced into metro to do it.
    Friday, March 02, 2012 3:49 PM
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    What happened here would be the same as if someone deleted an icon from their Start Menu.  So when you say "it should be there" the process on Windows 7 would be...

    The .exe is in the file system somewhere.  You would go to the Start Menu Program folder where you wanted the icon to be and right-click it and select open.  Then you would right-click in that folder and select create shortcut.  Then you would browse to the .exe and type in the name for the shortcut.

    Is that better?

    Friday, March 02, 2012 4:43 PM
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    yes, if it got deleted, which happens rarely. Seems for desktop users, it is being made harder to use a desktop.

    If you leave the metro interface, why does the desktop have to change. 

    The start menu should still be there and on the start menu you should have "switch to metro". At least for desktops. So far it seems like multitasking and ease of use with a mouse have been dropped from windows.

    I know i'm being whiny, but I just can't get my head around how it got this far with out Microsoft staff halting it and saying, huh.. i can't open picture from this email with out leaving the desktop. I can't play this video and read emails at the same time?


    Friday, March 02, 2012 5:45 PM
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    I think it's their gentle nudge towards Metro.  With WinRT it will be much easier to write apps that run without major modifications across phone, tablet and Desktop.  Also ARM and x86.  That's pretty compelling for developers and the platform as a whole.

    They shouldn't open Metro apps through file associations, by default, if you are on the Desktop.  I think that's a reasonable solution.

    The windowed environment will be around a long time.  The Metro "snap" where you can do two windows at a time won't cut it.


    • Edited by dgobe Friday, March 02, 2012 5:50 PM
    Friday, March 02, 2012 5:50 PM
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    With the Snap feature you can have two metro apps side by side running at the same time or even a metro app and a desktop app if you want that.  So you can absolutely watch a video and read emails at the same time.  One of my favorite things to do is open a Remote Desktop connection to a server that I am working on and then snap it to the side of the display.  I then open Outlook next to the Remote Desktop window and check my mail while the Remote Desktop connection does its thing.  When I'm ready to pay more attention to the Remote Desktop connection I just click on it and it moves to the larger, active window and my desktop goes to the smaller "snapped" window.

    The reason that Windows 8 Consumer Preview is switching to Metro to look at a picture is because images are associated with the Metro pictures app by default.  You can change this by installing a different app to view images with and opening them with that app instead.

    More information about Snap here:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/20/optimizing-for-both-landscape-and-portrait.aspx

    Don Geddes - SR Support Escalation Engineer - Remote Desktop Services - Printing and Imaging

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:03 PM
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    Hey Don,

    I was just playing with that feature and I noticed I can be in a full screen Metro app and move the mouse to the top of the screen and drag to snap the app to either the left or the right.  But I can't drag to the top of the screen to go full screen again.  Wouldn't that be nice if it worked just like Aero snap?

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:10 PM
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    That would be a nice feature!  In the Win8 CP, you can go back to full screen desktop or full screen metro app by sliding the bar all the way to the left or the right (depending on if you have "snapped" to the left or right of the display).

    Also, don't forget that on multi-monitor setups only one monitor can run Metro, so if you extend your desktop to a display that display will ALWAYS run the desktop.

    Don Geddes - SR Support Escalation Engineer - Remote Desktop Services - Printing and Imaging

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:14 PM
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    but that is my point, for the enterprise, which is all I really care about  (sorry home user) this makes no sense. You have to use touch screen style inputs with a mouse on a large screen, windows defaults are to tablet style windows on a pc made for multitasking. I'm just not "getting it" for a business network.

    I have to same issues with the new gmail look, the buttons are HUGE on my 24" screens. I can stand across the room and throw things at them and not miss for goodness sake, the world is forcing the power users to live in a dumbed down tablet world.

    Maybe i'm just a big whiny baby, but I think these are serious hurdles to large scale adoption in the business world that will need to be addressed.

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:20 PM
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    Ah!  I see you can double-click that separator bar and swap the windows and you have thumbnails of which Desktop app you want to display when you switch back.  I hope you guys do a good job of documenting and presenting a good tutorial for new users.  So much stuff that isn't obvious.
    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:22 PM
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    You could say that I work in an Enterprise <G> and to be honest I don't use the Metro UI that much at all.  If I ever need to go to the Metro UI it is to search for something or play one of the cool games.  :)   I don't use Metro IE because it can't use add-ins but I do use the Metro Remote Desktop client, because it is just cool!

    Don Geddes - SR Support Escalation Engineer - Remote Desktop Services - Printing and Imaging

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:23 PM
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    I use a tabbed rdp program, I'm in 7-10 servers at varius clients all day long. I have 7-10 tabs in IE for our ticket mangement program, 10-20 tabs open in chrome, pandora, desktop management gadgets, outlook, 5-10 communicator chats and at least 3 miranda external chat windows and that is every day all day, when i'm not busy. Metro will never be used how I work.

    I don't want to have to re-associate standard apps like picture viewer to be used in a windowed mode in WINDOWS.  on every desktop we deploy (at least 3-5 a week)



    • Edited by Jeff Mertz Friday, March 02, 2012 8:28 PM
    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:27 PM
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    You can use Group Policy Preference for file associations.  Or roll out the computers with pre-configured images using a large selection of administrative tools.

    But the good thing is you can still use Windows 8 just like you are now with the exception of the full-screen Start if that throws you off.

    Friday, March 02, 2012 8:41 PM