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- My laptop (IBM ThinkPad T43) is prone to getting quite hot when running certain software, so I use Network Hardware Control to monitor the CPU temperature, and display it in the taskbar. NHC worked perfectly with Win XP, but under Win7, it won't start automatically.
If I click on it to start it, I get the "Permission request" every time, even though I've set it to "Run as Administrator".
I'm sure the fix is easy, but how do I get Win 7 to allow it to start at bootup, and how to let it run as Admin without needing to give it permission each time?
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- KeithjUK,
I imagine this program would've exhibited the same behavior under Windows Vista, had you used it - it doesn't sound as though it's been designed with UAC's in mind.
Unless you were keen on the idea of setting your UACs to zero so that you never received this prompt, I'd recommend using a different CPU monitoring tool, such as CoreTemp .
-Alex- Marked As Answer bySaMcp1123AnswererThursday, June 25, 2009 7:50 AM
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- KeithjUK,
I imagine this program would've exhibited the same behavior under Windows Vista, had you used it - it doesn't sound as though it's been designed with UAC's in mind.
Unless you were keen on the idea of setting your UACs to zero so that you never received this prompt, I'd recommend using a different CPU monitoring tool, such as CoreTemp .
-Alex- Marked As Answer bySaMcp1123AnswererThursday, June 25, 2009 7:50 AM
- Create a task in the Task Scheduler that will start at logon and check the box marked "run with highest privileges".
- Thanks for that. Sadly, Coretemp installer reports "This Intel processor is not supported. Coretemp will not install."
NHC was designed for the ThinkPad and works very well. Once it's running, it does the job flawlessly. What I want to do is to get Win 7 to launch it at startup, without any further intervention. If that can't be done, I'll carry on with the "click this - click that" process as now.
I've not tried it with Vista: I'm one of the dinosaurs that saw the problems with early Vista and stayed with XP. The plan is to go straight from XP to Win 7. - Have you tried the Task Scheduler? It works great for things like this.
- I use task scheduler for many things (automated backup with a batchfile being one of them), but I'd not thought of using it for startup items.
I'll go and have a tinker...
Thank you! - Well, NHC starts using the task scheduler, but doesn't function. It shows as using 168k of memory, and the taskbar icon doesn't appear.
If I start it manually, it fluctuates around 2 meg of memory, with the taskbar temperature icon displaying.
There must be a switch I'm missing... - I have experienced similar problems. I run a user account and use elevated privileges only as required. Like KeithjUK, I need to run some apps at startup as admin to give me better control over my system. They are ESET egui, Cobian Backup, Logitech SetPoint & RivaTuner - all these apps require admin rights to run as they were not designed with UAC in mind.
However, UAC compatibility / awareness aside, I cannot get these to run at startup ion the correct context. If you run these as a scheduled task, they run but DO NOT interact with the desktop i.e. you can see them running in task manager but you can't open / view / use the app.
In XP world, I used to use lsrunas in a CMD file but it seems you can't do this now - in fact, there does not appear to be any way to run an application as a scheduled task / CMD with elevated rights without having to enter the admin password. I'd love to be proved wrong......... - Well, 5 months on, and with the released version installed, I still have to wait till the machine is running, then click on the desktop icon and NHC starts and works fine.
Starting it with the Task Scheduler, or putting it into "Startup" in the Start menu doesn't work. It appears in task manager as running, but doesn't work. Has any new information appeared that would solve this bug, does anyone know?
I'm having exactly the same problem on the desktop machine with RealVNC (I used Remote Desktop Connection for the Beta and RC1 tests, but it's another £50 on the released version and it's not worth that much). As long as the desktop doesn't restart for any reason (usually Windows Updates) I can access it while on the road. - SORTED!
NHC now starts and works fine on my laptop. All I had to do was to turn off UAC.
There is no facility to turn off UAC for individual software items, so it has to be off for them all.
The next step is to see if that will allow RealVNC to start without manual intervention.
Tomorrow I will revisit some of the other less important stuff that I didn't bother with when it didn't work, to see if that also will now function.
- Yes, all problems sorted. RealVNC starts normally and runs properly. NHC works well (it's the only product I've come across that does the job, so no option but to use this one). Turning off UAC seems to have fixed my problems with both of those.
I'm not sure what UAC does for me, but maybe if MS provide a tool to allow specific stuff through the Iron Curtain, I'll use it again. - NHC does what CoreTemp does, but it also does something CoreTemp does not do: It regulates the voltage and speed of your processor based on CPU clock speed, power settings preferences and power preferences settings that are unique to UHC. In the end, it can actually extend your battery life considerably when set up correctly. (It can also mess up your system royally if it isn't set up correctly.) There are no other applications out there that quite do what NHC does.
There are two versions of NHC: The free one and the paid one. The paid one can be set to run as a service, ostensibly bypassing the UAC controls altogether. The free one is set to run in the startup folder, since it cannot running as a service, to enable it at when the laptop starts up. However, Win7 simply ignores it because the program is attempting to make changes to core windows services without itself being a service. Hence, the free version will not start up automatically. I imagine the paid version should, but I'm not wanting to spend the 15 pounds to be the guinea pig for a program that has not been updated in a couple years and is only technically windows 7 capable. It would be nice if there were a new update for better windows 7 compatibility.
It would also be nice if Win7 offered more granularity of choice as to which programs were allowed to bypass UAC. I want to be able to create a specific list of programs that are exempt from UAC harrassment. Does this exist?
It would be nice if windows own power system did something like NHC.
It would also be nice to have finer automated control over screen brightness as a measure of battery conservation too.
For instance, after 2 minutes on battery without input, dim 30 percent. After five minutes without input, turn the monitor off. (Etc.)
I want to be able to set the default brightness for the screen on battery separately from default plugged-in brightness.
I'd like it to remember my last manual brightness setting for both battery and plugged-in states. - I'm using the free version of NHC because I too wasn't sure the paid one would be able to bypass UAC. In the end, and because of other stuff that also couldn't be "authorised" to bypass UAC, I turned off UAC altogether. That solved a lot of problems. I've not come across any disadvantages.
