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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 2:36 AMAnthony_MannMSFT, OwnerUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    <Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2)>

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

    Thanks

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

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  • Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:38 PMChitbill Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    There are now available in several windows fonts the option to choose characters that are "turned", to use the description in the character map. I just thought this would be a great option along side "Bold", "Underlined", "Strikeout". I researched it a little and found a website that does this for you, but I do not know how difficult it would be to actually implement in an editor. I even wrote a cute story for clarification (but it was deleted, probably looked too much like a commercial, which it sort of is,  it's supposed to get you to like the idea):
         On the fifth page or the third hour of a very large discussion, you decide, (as immature stalker) to insert a small amount of text to the intended, possibly on the overhead teleprompter/etc, using the latest snazzy gadget from Windows 7 (Which I am suggesting, um you know, now):
    əᴉլլᴉq əʌoլ ᴉ
    Which turns her beet-red after the boss notices and makes a snide remark,  and you end up mopping hallways in Buffalo.... Anyway if anyone was suggesting fonts (I'm sure Someone was) please make a subset of the unicode fonts known as the "turned" letters, or just include a little option next to bold, underline, strikeout.....it could be a great addition to the footnote or self-test quiz, if you, um <ahem>

     

  • Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:50 PMMark L. FergusonMVP, ModeratorUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    character map u+202e, right to left override<insert some char> right to left mark

    The only older prank I can remember is the character location change on hover.
    Rating posts helps other users
    Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
  • Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:51 AMChitbill Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    right to left is old, I agree.
      I meant upside-down, like those answers to the kids' puzzle books in the dentist's office in the '60s (the nineteen sixties).
    esarhp eht would be spelled backwards using special characters now, or using your method (thanks) and by picking the characters from a character map or by going to a website and using their script, or by making a graphic and flipping it.
    On the other hand, an editor that can strikeout might be able to do it as well, it was in my mind to at least suggest it, but you're the MVP.
  • Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:53 AMWolfie2k6 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I dunno... It sounds like something that COULD possibly have it's place. But I'm not so sure it HAS to be built into Windows. I mean, yeah... Some people might have a use for it. And as such, it might be worth contributing that suggestion to the Office team. But as a whole, I just don't see the masses of people turning their text upside down on a regular basis. As you said, that sort of thing was popular in the 60's. Exactly how much action would that feature see in today's world? I can see it as maybe a fad as people discover the feature and maybe play with it - but it's novelty would likely wear off fairly quickly.

    I kinda see it as being more of a pain in the neck - literally - when someone decides to play with it online. Joy... I can see it being used as a captcha tool - to annoy the living daylights out of everybody without actually preventing bots (for very long) from cracking it.

  • Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:28 PMMark L. FergusonMVP, ModeratorUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    No reason you can't put that in the comments thread for the dev team to consider.

    Have Comments about Windows 7 Beta (Part 2


    Rating posts helps other users
    Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
  • Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:40 PMChitbill Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I see your point Wolfie. After all, if only I need upside down, I merely have to install a free font from someone similarly inclined but much less indolent.
    Students reviewing answers to questions on a website (the kind you print for later review) might like it, or labellers....I can't claim to know thousands of uses, and it all reminds me of the consternated mother listening to her kid pray for a red sky. If God so disposes, the kid will be too smug to talk to, and if He doesn't (probably won't), the kid is disillusioned and eventually,,,becomes a politician or a mac user.
       I prefer to put it in their minds, hopefully in a pleasing way, when their guard is down.
  • Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:15 AMVL-MSDN Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    This is basic functionality of Windows XP.  If I need to copy a file to a drive with more space, I can not click at a glance..  IN windows XP, you just click the drive or any folder on the drive and the status bar always shows the free space.   This information is completely missing in Windows 7 Build 7100 RC
  • Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:40 AMLiveOrDieTM Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    what do u mean screenshot please? if your talking about in computer the info is there.
  • Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:58 AMWarel Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Yes, the info is there when you open (My) Computer.

    BUT, in windows xp, this basic information was always visible in the status bar. Now, if we need to see the free space (or the sum of file sizes selected) we have to leave the folder / files we are working with, and go to (My) Computer.

    I, and many other forum users are asking for the return of this funcionality (lost since vista, win7 beta and now RC) and Microsoft never pay attention.
    There should be at least on option to turn this feature back on. But, no, the "details pane" is so stupid that is needs 3 lines to NOT SHOW the info xp used to give with ONE SINGLE LINE.

    And worse, if you select a lot more than 15 files and you need to see the space they take, you need to click the stupid "Show more details" button.

    A 10 years old computer that I used to run xp back then had enough processor power to show this info in a millisecond. Maybe the newer computers have LESS processing power, so, if I need the info I can´t have it right away, I need to click the STUPID button "Show more details"... yes, it´s really evolution! (*sarcasm alert here*)
  • Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:27 PMEd Propes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Yes, the info is there when you open (My) Computer.

    BUT, in windows xp, this basic information was always visible in the status bar. Now, if we need to see the free space (or the sum of file sizes selected) we have to leave the folder / files we are working with, and go to (My) Computer.

    I, and many other forum users are asking for the return of this funcionality (lost since vista, win7 beta and now RC) and Microsoft never pay attention.
    There should be at least on option to turn this feature back on. But, no, the "details pane" is so stupid that is needs 3 lines to NOT SHOW the info xp used to give with ONE SINGLE LINE.

    And worse, if you select a lot more than 15 files and you need to see the space they take, you need to click the stupid "Show more details" button.

    A 10 years old computer that I used to run xp back then had enough processor power to show this info in a millisecond. Maybe the newer computers have LESS processing power, so, if I need the info I can´t have it right away, I need to click the STUPID button "Show more details"... yes, it´s really evolution! (*sarcasm alert here*)
    It would be nice to see the size of a particular folder when selected. So far I have found a convient/simpe way to display that.


  • Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:58 PMMark L. FergusonMVP, ModeratorUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Rightclick the folder icon, then Properties.
    Rating posts helps other users
    Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
  • Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:02 PMWarel Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hey, nice to see we have people asking for this only in a "few" threads:

    here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/c704ecad-fa41-4d25-b91a-dca771b0fc84

    here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/80d35989-dc14-411a-a942-68ebab2bab8d/

    here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/1cbc3578-c8a8-42a7-a18e-308c0a63f977/

    here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/12313c79-f39c-41dd-99d7-a600b1a0bc2a/

    here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/b553534c-174c-4ba7-bc1d-513501f4c32c


    Who want to make a bet? We will need a hundred or a thousand about the VERY SAME ANNOYANCE before Microsoft start to listen?
  • Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:34 PMIan The Commodore Matthews Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I find Aero Snap gets in my way far more often than it helps me and I think it will annoy standard users if it stays in its current form.  I found that disabling it is burried http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-aero-snap-in-windows-7/ .

    Two suggestions:
    1: Set SNAP to only occur if the window is held in place for a second or two (this time could be configurable through a UI).
    2: Make the process to disable snap require fewer clicks.   I would expect it to be under Display Properties not under Accessibility Settings.
    Ian Matthews www.commodore.ca
  • Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:10 PMDrop By Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ive got an RC build 7100 32-bit install. the details pane shows free disk space of my drives, as well as total space, file system, and bitlocker status. it also does the same for files. it even shows the total space of multiple selected files. however, it wont note the number of files in a folder. the status bar seems useless, though. it just shows the nimber of selected files
  • Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:56 PMbebopblues Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Please add these options to windows updates settings: http://img2.pict.com/4d/55/d8/2b77897e94a060b33e285c7798/HwIqq/autoupdates.png

    If anyone on the Windows Updates team see this, can you not make Windows auto restart after auto updates? I was in the middle of installing a game and windows just restarts without any user input. So it killed my game installer in the middle of installation. This is a bug in my opinion, and it was in Vista too. It should always ask for confirmation to restart or have a setting somewhere to prevent it from auto restarting after an update. Please fix this before Windows 7 ships.

    It is fine that it auto restarts after an update. But when it restarts WITHOUT checking to see if it is safe to do so, to me that is a bug in the software. In my case, I was in the middle of installing a game, and it killed the installer to reboot. Who knows what could've went wrong when the installer is killed like that. I can imagine other scenarios where you are working on some important document, and you forgot to save, and you stepped away for 30 minutes. You come back to the computer and stare at a blank desktop and your unsaved document is no where to be found. That is not how the software should behave.
  • Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:48 PMdani_wb Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I'm not sure if you know the group policy, but there you can define much more about the Automatic Updates.
    Go to Start => Run
    Type gpedit.msc
    Go to the following path: Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update

    There you find the following:
    "No auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled automatic updates installations"

    (More info:
    If the status is set to Enabled, Automatic Updates will not restart a computer automatically during a scheduled installation if a user is logged in to the computer. Instead, Automatic Updates will notify the user to restart the computer.)

    The only thing what i don't know is, if the computer restarts if you are not logged in...
    Does somebody else now?

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 3:15 AMa.k.a. Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I've identified some important UI bugs:

    Windows 7 Libraries interfere with the ability to change the default save locations for Office 2007 settings files.  This very likely has to do with the fact that Office uses a "Save" dialogue box to relocate the default save locations.  The Libraries in general are doing a great job of solving Vista's fragility on matters of redirecting filepaths; but this is a special case -- a Save dialogue overlying the Library interface -- and it seems the Libraries aren't handling the TWO simultaneous filepath redirects correctly. See the following thread for a longer description, and feel free to email me for a PSR file on this bug.

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/a892f720-4143-432f-a3e6-3532b5859505

    Windows 7 "hidden" fonts are not "hidden" in Word 2007's font list. The font list has become a "weed garden" in Windows 7, with all foreign fonts visible. See the following thread.

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/ae99181a-d406-4a56-a667-bf9e9eec8504

    The files on the Jump Lists for a pinned app that is set to Run as Administrator mode do not launch in Run as Administrator mode.  Nor, as an alternative, is there a context menu option for the Jump Lists that would allow any of these files to be set individually to Run as Administrator.  This is a significant problem if a user is following Microsoft's suggested protocol for user accounts, which is to split off administrator activity to a separate admin account, and just run the OS from a normal user account.  What happens is that any document accessed or created by an admin account (and pinned to a Jump List) cannot be saved when opened by a normal user account.  Hence, there really is a need for a Run as Administrator option for files in the both the Start Menu and Taskbar Jump Lists. See the following thread:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/80eb2a1e-881b-447f-b53b-8001cf883f46

    Windows 7 x64 doesn't resume from hibernate, AFAICT.

    There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar.  That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

    I would like to see the old Advanced Search options return that you could get in Vista.  I don't know why they were taken out.  It used to be extremely helpful to just use a shortcut pointing to search:ms, which would take the user directly to those Advanced Search options.

    It would be wonderful to see MS provide a handy timekeeping / work logging app in the system tray (or as a desktop gadget) to complement the clock.  Ideally it would have these properties: 1) Unlimited number of timers (egg/countdown or count up) that can be added by choosing any number of new or previously-defined tasks from a user-created roster.  (Countdown options are necessary for 'timeboxing' methods of scheduling.)  2) Export to MS Excel (as a CSV file) and MS Project the name of the activity, the total time, and the record for each day (including date, and all start and stop times).

    IE8 has two troublesome aspects: First, each tab appears to open a separate instance of iexplorer in Processes. This eats enormous amounts of RAM, and makes it hard to figure out when there's a memory leak.  I would also like to see a "run in x86 mode" for IE 8 x64, so that it could actually install Flash or Silverlight.  Having to launch an entirely different browser just to watch a Flash or Silverlight video is nonsense.

    On the upside, 1) the OS is fast as blazes to boot up, and stable!  2) The Networking taskbar icon is much more functional than before.  3) Libraries generally are a great improvement.  4) I like being able to change the font in Notepad.  5) The Sound Schemes are incredible!  They'll make all Mac users jealous!

    Thank you for all of your hard work redesigning Windows for NT 7.  I was a happy Vista user, and with permission to use 7 RC free until March, I am a die-hard Windows fanatic!

    a.k.a.

    • Edited bya.k.a. Monday, May 18, 2009 3:20 AM
    • Edited bya.k.a. Monday, May 18, 2009 3:38 AM
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 4:45 AMChitbill Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I don't agree with all the "By design" stuff, read below:



    >Chitbill, the same procedure applies to Windows Vista (see my website:
    http://www.winuser.co.uk/windows_vista_faq/72>_move_documents_folder_to_new_location.html )
    >Microsoft make these sort of thing a 'little' more difficult to prevent users inadvertantly changing
    >the location which, if the solution was on the start menu, it would be easy to do.

    Ok maybe they worded it badly but if I want to move the default documents folder, shouldn't it be easier??
    The procedure or whatever is there since forever, sure, it's just different now, and not all programs understand.
    BTW and IIRC (was that spelled right?) You've got to go to desktop\bob\my documents and choose properties\location.
    That was my fault for wording it badly, it's "my documents" the special folder, not the shortcut right next to it.
    This isn't a bug, I'm told, it's by design, and I can go to a website for proof.
    I just disagree with this particular design.
    --------------
    Chitbill , really big pita/nice guy
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 5:00 AMVistaline Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    #3 - Jumplists
    Edit:
    It seems Applications and Tasks (each task requires elevation) run just fine from the Taskbar, it won't open files directly. Files open LUA but if you open the application first then "Open with..." the file you can overwrite just fine. Feel free to ignore this part, I'm leaving it in though.

    SHFT+CTRL+LMB on an item to "Run as Admin" on it.

    As a test I logged onto my admin account and played a song "Across the Universe", closed WMP, then switched back to my regular account. I played another song "Static X - Cannibal" and again closed WMP. From my standard account I opened WMP's jumplist and SHFT+CTRL+LMB on "Resume previous playlist", after confirmation "Across the Universe" started playing.

    Of course, the problem is this doesn't work everywhere perfectly. I tried it in Wordpad as well and that opened just as if I had only pressed LMB. In fact, I'm noticing that more often than not, this doesn't work. Slightly remeniscent of using SHFT+CTRL+LMB/ENTER in the Start Menu, where CMD and MMC are the only applications that respond correctly. All other applications I have either don't respond or open in LUA. So I suspose there is a way of doing what you want to do... it just doesn't work or I'm doing it wrong. You are right though, it needs fixing.

    Somewhat surprisingly, SHFT+CTRL+LMB/WIN+# always works to open an application as an admin from the taskbar.

    #4 - Recycle Bin
    As a workaround for #4 you can pin it to Explorer and SHFT+RMB > Empty Recycle Bin. I believe in the beta this command could be accessed through the regular context menu but t was changed for whatever reason to only show in the expanded menu.

    From another post of mine:
    (using Windows + 7 as an Example, which is Powershell on my PC now)
    Win + 7
    If Powershell is inactive, run Powershell. Otherwise, switch to Powershell.

    ALT + Win + 7
    Display Powershell jumplist.

    CTRL + Win + 7
    Switch to last active instance of Powershell, iterate through all open windows using Z-order.

    SHFT + Win + 7
    Open a new instance of Powershell.

    CTRL + SHFT + Win + 7
    Run new instance of Powershell as an Administrator.

    Some things I'm noticing:
    Switching user accounts causes some of my Explorer windows to roll up like this:

    Edit:
    More on #3:
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 6:10 AMirfanbulu Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    An option to flush the "recent" or "frequent" items in the jumplists would be much appreciated.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 6:10 AMvicza Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I’d also like to express some thoughts about win7.

    There are many good improvements. The look in general is nicer than that in Vista; I like the new Start menu, where many programs can have their own MRU lists; icons on the taskbar can be freely moved; And, of course, it’s faster than Vista.

    But, unfortunately, the general impression is rather disappointing. These are the things I don’t like:

    - Sleep mode is broken. By default it even grayed in the menu, but if I still use it (e.g. automatically by timeout, or by pressing ‘Sleep’ button on the keyboard) it tries to sleep, and then automatically reboots. The same with hibernate. Not only I have this problem, you can find in the internet other messages about it. Some people suggest turning off ‘Allow this device to wake up computer’ option in the network card settings, but for me, it did not help. (Needless to say, in XP/Vista on the same machine all worked fine).

    - Drivers of my video card (ATI 9250) were completely removed, even from Microsoft’s server. Well, I agree, it’s quite an old card, but it was supported in Vista. But now, only “VGA compatible card” driver installed. Well, I downloaded drivers from the ATI site, but now every time I shut down or reboot the system BSOD appears.

    - The new behavior of icons in the tray. In XP/Vista, a new installed program could place there its icon, and if you didn’t need it you could hide it. But now they’re hidden by default and you have to manually show them. But in order to do this I have to know that there is an icon. So, every time after installing a program I have to open the tray and see? Is this considered as convenience?

    - The network icon in the tray. What was wrong with the previous icon, with two monitors blinking indicating the data transfer? It was convenient, but the current icon is simply useless. It shows nothing.

    - When I press right mouse button on the Start menu, it doesn’t show the usual menu anymore. Only two items: Properties and Libraries. But how am I supposed to manually add programs there? (you know, there are programs not having installers, so you have to manually unpack them and add a shortcut in the Start menu). Was it done intentionally? Why? What RMB on Start menu has to do with libraries?

    - The new model of grouping icons on the taskbar is an interesting one, still I’d prefer it were optional. For me, the old model was more convenient.


    In general, I think Vista is even better. At least, the first two entries in this my list prevent me from normally using Win7.

     

     

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 6:50 AMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I'm using a LCD monitor and I have no problems with it. And dont see many other ppl complaining about this. Altough the hovering color may be a bit too discreet.
    My suggestion :
    - try ajusting your LCD settings or try on another model of LCD
    - visit the optician.


    I am running a new Dell Laptop and the colour is amazing for everything and the screen is optimized to the printers for Adobe products so I know the colour is as it should be.

    However, I went to my friends house today and they have a brand new PC and again brilliant monitor and the blue is still as pale as ever.

    Try it in Regedit. It disappears COMPLETELY and makes it almost impossible to see what key is open.

    Maybe others just don't do as much file manipulation as I do.
    lforbes
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 7:00 AMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    You guys seem to be using the terms Restore Point and Shadow Copy synonymously.



    When I search Vista Help & Support for these terms, they don't seem connected at all.

    No they are not the same. We are actually talking about Previous Versions/Shadow Copies which are the same.  All versions of Windows have System Restore. Currently only Servers have Shadow Copies which gives the "Previous Versions" tab that someone was mentioning. Apparently that is also offered in Ultimate. I have never seen Vista Ultimate.

    Cheers,
    Lara
    lforbes
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 8:30 AMbebopblues Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Fully aware of that gpedit trick, but my point is it shouldn't be hidden in there. What I propose is in that mock up pict I posted above.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 8:46 AMbengriffiths Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    At initial setup, if you boot with a USB stick attached containing RAID/AHCI drivers, at the point where you create and select the install partition you receive the error:

    "Setup was unable to create a system partition or locate an existing partition."


    Here's what I had the first time I tried to install Win7 RC:

    Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
    Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD
    Boot device 3 = USB stick with ICH10R AHCI drivers

    Setup starts fine, you can load the drivers, it lets you choose a partition but then says "unable to create system partition".

    The solution for me was as follows:

    1) Do not have USB stick plugged in when booting, so only:
    Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
    Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD

    2) At the setup page which says you can load other drivers, insert the USB stick, click the link and load the drivers

    3) Unplug the USB stick

    4) Continue with setup


    If you search you'll find quite a few references to this problem. Somethings wrong with the app to select the install partition if it's getting confused between what you have selected and an unrelated action to load drivers from a different device.

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:35 AMVistaline Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    - Drivers of my video card (ATI 9250) were completely removed, even from Microsoft’s server. Well, I agree, it’s quite an old card, but it was supported in Vista. But now, only "VGA compatible card" driver installed. Well, I downloaded drivers from the ATI site, but now every time I shut down or reboot the system BSOD appears.

    If I remember correcly AMD stated they were not supporting cards older than the HD2000 series for Windows 7 a month or two back. And, according to Wikipedia: 

    This series of Radeon graphics cards is supported by AMD under

    Microsoft Windows operating systems including Windows XP (except x64), Windows 2000, Windows Me, and Windows 98. Other operating systems may have support in the form of a generic driver that lacks complete support for the hardware. Driver development for the R200 line ended with the Catalyst 6.11 drivers for Windows XP. 

    If the quote is correct, AMD put this chip to rest even before Vista was released. Were the drivers you installed the 9550 series drivers? It might be the fact that you are using an R300 series card causing your bluescreens. :-(

    - The new behavior of icons in the tray. In XP/Vista, a new installed program could place there its icon, and if you didn’t need it you could hide it. But now they’re hidden by default and you have to manually show them. But in order to do this I have to know that there is an icon. So, every time after installing a program I have to open the tray and see? Is this considered as convenience?

    From my own experience, new notification icons are usually shown when they are created. Whether they are hidden by the OS soon after I do not know, I usually hide them immediately myself.

    - When I press right mouse button on the Start menu, it doesn’t show the usual menu anymore. ... What RMB on Start menu has to do with libraries?

    1) RMB on the "All Programs" button. You can also type "shell:start menu" to access the start menu folder from either Instant Search or the Address Bar. Use "shell:common start menu" to access Start Menu All Users.

    2) Nothing specifically, but notice the text label. It reads as "Open Windows Explorer." It does just that.

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:56 AMvicza Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    - If the quote is correct, AMD put this chip to rest even before Vista was released.

    Maybe. Anyhow, it worked in Vista. Did not support Aero, but worked. And the driver was installed automatically.

    - Were the drivers you installed the 9550 series drivers?

    No, for 9250. But for XP.

    - From my own experience, new notification icons are usually shown when they are created.

    Only when they have some message. Otherwise they're hidden.

     

    - RMB on the "All Programs" button.

      Hmm, indeed. Thanks, I haven't noticed this.


    - Nothing specifically, but notice the text label. It reads as "Open Windows Explorer. " It does just that.

       For me, "Open Windows Explorer " is what Win-E does: open Explorer on "computer".  And, in any case, if open my folder, I'd prefer it to open c:\users\username \, not only Libraries.


  • Monday, May 18, 2009 12:10 PMLhyksus Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    This is for all.....try this line.....there are a lot of goodies here for windows 7:

    http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!4572.entry?wa=wsignin1.0&sa=721227328
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 1:40 PMNoel Carboni Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    A quick comment to Microsoft...

    Please stop taking to heart those "Hi, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC" commercials so much!  You DON'T want to make Windows into OSX!  The grass is NOT greener on the other side!

    In other words, please stop "dumbing down" the system!

    If you want the system to be more usable, that's a great idea.  Just keep in mind there are people who need to do real work with it, and that SOME parts of it might just still have to remain a bit "geeky" for that to be possible!

    For example, I can no longer deterministically see the seconds or milliseconds value of a file modification date no matter what I try in Explorer.  Is "3 minutes ago" in the file Properties dialog REALLY easier to use than "5/18/2009 9:19:45"?  Are you saying the majority of your customers are too stupid to know that 9:22 is 3 minutes later?  And what would be the REAL problem with "5/18/2009 9:19:45.1234"?  Leave the hours:minutes in the main displays for simplicity, but don't remove the ability to see the actual details from the Details view!!!!

    And is it really easier to use a system with a network icon that doesn't show when there's network activity?

    For God's sake at least leave in options where we can turn on the good stuff and back off the "duh"!

    If you keep adding more "Duh" and removing "To Work" options, you will lose customers. 

    Even all the kids who use Windows for entertainment are going to grow up and get jobs where they need to use Windows for real work.

    Clearly your Marketing people are driving many of these boneheaded UI changes...  

    Suggestion for Microsoft Project Engineering Leaders:
       Talk to your senior software developers - i.e., people trying to use Windows to get real work done.  Assuming they aren't using XP or 3rd party apps to get their work done, actually ASK them about each UI change and LISTEN to what they have to say.  And please push back against the Marketing folks when the changes don't make sense.

    Thank you.

    -Noel

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 2:22 PMWarel Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Please stop taking to heart those "Hi, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC " commercials so much!  You DON'T want to make Windows into OSX!  The grass is NOT greener on the other side!

    In other words, please stop "dumbing down" the system!

    If you want the system to be more usable, that's a great idea.  Just keep in mind there are people who need to do real work with it, and that SOME parts of it might just still have to remain a bit "geeky" for that to be possible!

    For example, I can no longer deterministically see the seconds or milliseconds value of a file modification date no matter what I try in Explorer.  Is "3 minutes ago" in the file Properties dialog REALLY easier to use than "5/18/2009 9:19:45"?  Are you saying the majority of your customers are too stupid to know that 9:22 is 3 minutes later?  And what would be the REAL problem with "5/18/2009 9:19:45.1234"?  Leave the hours:minutes in the main displays for simplicity, but don't remove the ability to see the actual details from the Details view!!!!

    And is it really easier to use a system with a network icon that doesn't show when there's network activity?

    For God's sake at least leave in options where we can turn on the good stuff and back off the "duh"!

    If you keep adding more "Duh" and removing "To Work" options, you will lose customers. 

    Even all the kids who use Windows for entertainment are going to grow up and get jobs where they need to use Windows for real work.

    Thank you.

    -Noel


    Exactly my feelings. 100% agreed. If I like MAC ad, or If I want a MAC, I buy a MAC. (or a network device, they all have MAC´s ad.. ok, bad joke, sorry.)

    But, I like windows, and I would not like to see it turned into a mac copy.
    • Edited byWarel Monday, May 18, 2009 2:24 PMa typo.
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 2:50 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    You guys seem to be using the terms Restore Point and Shadow Copy synonymously.



    When I search Vista Help & Support for these terms, they don't seem connected at all.

    No they are not the same. We are actually talking about Previous Versions/Shadow Copies which are the same.  All versions of Windows have System Restore. Currently only Servers have Shadow Copies which gives the "Previous Versions" tab that someone was mentioning. Apparently that is also offered in Ultimate. I have never seen Vista Ultimate.

    Cheers,
    Lara
    lforbes

    Previous Versions/Shadow Copy is a feature of Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate and is of all Windows 7 versions above Home Premium. If you installed the Ultimate RC then it is available on your machine. The connection to System Restore is that it makes shadow copies when it creates restore points (at whatever interval you have set).  You do not, however, use System Restore to recover a lost or changed file.  You just go to the folder in Windows Explorer, right click, choose Restore Previous Versions, pick the date/time, and then just copy the file as you would from any other folder.   It is a great feature that I have used on a few occasions in Vista after inintentionally deleting something, or using a document as a template for a new one and then hitting Save instead of Save As. I just used Restore Previous Versions and copied to deleted (or orginal) file back - took under 15 seconds. I've tested it in Windows 7 - same feature as Vista and same benefits....

    Stephen
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 3:04 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    An option to flush the "recent" or "frequent" items in the jumplists would be much appreciated.

    I absolutely agree on this one.  I really like the jumplist feature but it uses some utility when it becomes filled with the dozens of files I will open once. As a business person who would like to be able to have a client sit next to me (or look at a projection screen) at times, and it is more than a bit awkward to have the jumplist include a file name that is obviously a bid with a competitor.  Having to right click each file individually to remove is rather inefficient.  In addition, it has a flaw with respect to Internet Explorer (at least on my machine). The "frequent" list is seldom comprised of the actual most frequent locations.  If I open Internet Explorer a few times (never going to the ones on the list), the list will update to other old sites, not to the ones I have just been visiting.  Still a good feature that I already use all the time but it does have a few quirks....

    Stephen
     
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 3:38 PMJonathanp55 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Game performance is good in windows 7 (a little slower then XP, yet nothing you can really see), yet, Media Center seems to be slow when you press the green main menu bubble while watching a video. It will show the menu with the video in the background, slowing windows Media Center down. Also, when playing music, when the "moving wall" thing happens, seems to be slow. Other then that, Windows Media Center is great!

    PowerPoint: This is a big problem. I turn on Direct X support. The graphics seems to be ALOT slower then on windows vista or XP. For example, when I am fading between slides, it is really choppy and slow, and yes, even with Direct X Support.

    ITunes: The visuals seems to be slow when running in full screen.

    Windows Aero: A little slower then in Vista, not by much.

    So really, it is just visuals on programs other then games. Not sure what it is. I have a Nvidia 6150 internal (which is enough to run vista and windows 7) (512mb of VRAM)

    This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.

    Overall, very fast OS. Just needs to work on graphics, and this will rock my socks!!!

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 3:41 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization.

    I was fooling around with system tray customization and selected the option to "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar".

    I then wanted to change it back to hide the icons and it took me around 5 minutes of clicking to get back to the customization options.  Apparently you have to right click a very, very, teeny tiny portion of the system tray to access the customization options if you currently have "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" checked.

    You need to add the system tray arrow back if "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" is checked otherwise its very hard to get back to the customization screen.

    A second point is I love the way Vista handles the system tray.  It will show a few icons and then clicking on the < button will show the rest of the icons.

    So if I install a new program I can quickly see if it installs something to the system tray that I can then turn off.  Now in Windows 7 I have to click the arrow every time.

    New users to using computers probably would never even learn that some programs install icons to the system tray that they can turn off because they will never click the system tray button.

    Vista had the system tray perfect.

    Seems that MS is hiding ALL system tray icons except network to hide the fact that a lot of 3rd party software install programs that run in the system tray when it really doesn't need to (Apple Quicktime anyone?).

    Like a user mentioned above this seems to be one of those changes demanded by the marketing department.  "I don't like having all the icons showing in the system tray.  I don't want to learn how remove them so the programs are not always running in the background.  So lets just hide them."
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 3:50 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization....

    Not trying to be rude but am I missing something here?  The Vista style "Show Hidden Icons" option on both my machines is just where it is in Vista.  As far as turning on and off (and back again), if I right click on the System Tray and choose  "Customize Notification Icons" I am there in one click....

    Stephen
    • Edited byswyost Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:28 AM
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 4:28 PMblegs38552 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Agreed. Also, in VISTA, gpedit is not available for Home Premium. If this is the case for Win 7, this cannot be applied.

    To me, the best solution is not to accept automatic updates. I have my update notification set to "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them". In this way, if I am in the middle of something, the automatic reboot will not occur until I choose to install the updates. This is best for other reasons - I often do not want to download and install driver for my hardware - I refer to get them directly for the hardware company's web site directly.

    Windows 7 beta dual booting with VISTA Home Premium 2 GB memory 160 HD Gateway Laptop HP Officejet 6310 All-in One inkjet printer Verizon FIOS Internet Connection
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 6:41 PMMikro Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Wasn't Sure where to put this, The following breaks down the past expiences with windows 7 rc as I remember

    #1 The first day I installed Windows 7 everything was cool then finally got the test updates and some real updates installed I proceeded to install apps and other software I thought I might need or use Nothing really wrong on day 1 

    Day 2: Superfetch service started Not starting up on start ups or it would shut down or get disabled by an unknown source still sorting this one out 

    Ah Day 3 I installed the largest 2 of my suite of software Microsoft flight sim x and Pinnacle studio 11 Ultimate 
    in MSX I flew from Michigan to Hawii ussually 9hrs  in Vista this trip on the sim would crash 1hr in Windows 7 no issues I went the whole 9hrs no issue I was tired I shut down and went to bed 

    day 4 fired up under 10 seconds hit the desktop I'm like Holy S____t then edited video project in studio for 4hrs straight No issues 

    Other issues: 

    Audio Service slow starts trips a red x error service did not start properily turns out to be false because there is sound (Audio Card is an Audigy 2EX Platium driver provided by windows update)

    SuperFetch does not start or shuts down (noticable symphom computer slows to a crawl) Ram use jumps from 500mbs to 600mbs use to 700mbs to 800mbs used Superfetch turns offor does not start Note: Performance trouble shooter will detect and resolve the issue and restart superfetch. few hours later super fetch turns off.

    User file directory issues Since vista Microsoft has changed My documents My pictures My Music My videos to just Documents Music Pictures & Videos Well I move these files to E:\Documents but a exsisting dbx thumbnail file tells the OS it's My documents and the same for the others It creates a mess double folders generate
    It creates a mess I end up defaulting the folders and going into my e drive and fixing renaming the folders to what the system is looking for and not was there from previous OSes

    IE 8 long term causes a Memory over run some times crashing the system or bringing it to a hault windows 7 pretty good at catching the issue but not all the time.

    Media center nothing wrong just 2 processes duking it out on my network creating connection issues and bandwidth EHShell and the svchost go nuts when Media center open you can watch the show either in the network tuning in Media center or in the windows 7 resources monitor under network both processes start accessing the network at 100% Messing up my xbox 360 online gaming or causing a slow Media extender experience
    Using a tweak I was shown on windows vista fixed the issue switching the services from automatic to manual in the windows 7 services fixes this network usage returns to normal
    Media center still runs Quieter too. 

    Over all everything works accept for reported posted issues others have posted. 

    I think Microsoft nails these issues Windows 7 Might knock xp out of the Perfect OS of all time
       


    Posted By Mikro
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 7:49 PMsamuraineko Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    shutdow confirmation is gone, I am so thankful some of the "are you sure" items are gone. If I click shutdown, do it.

    TOTALLY AGREE

    if want to shutdown please DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i'm 25 years old and i know what i'm doing with my work equipments.
    time is money so
    keep the way you did in win 7


    turn off? done.
    no confirmations.


    thanks
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 7:50 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization....

    No trying to be rude but am I missing something here?  The Vista style "Show Hidden Icons" option on both my machines is just where it is in Vista.  As far as turning on and off (and back again), if I right click on the System Tray and choose  "Customize Notification Icons" I am there in one click....

    Stephen
    It is if you don't have the option "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" selected.  If you have it selected then the button disappears.

    Try this:

    1)  In Windows 7, click the the system tray button "Show hidden icons".
    2)  Select customize from the pop-up window.
    3)  On the bottom left of the screen put a check mark in the box "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar".
    4)  Click the OK button

    Now all the icons are showing in the system tray.  The problem is what if you want to go back and now hide the icons in the system tray.  How do you get back to the system customization screen since the arrow button is no longer there?

    MS needs to change it so that the arrow button will always be there in the system tray so that you can access the customization screen.  I think they remove the button because its titled "Show hidden icons".  Well if you are showing all the icons there won't be any hidden icons.  They probably should then rename the arrow button to "System Tray Customization".  Can't rename it to "Hide all icons" because you might just be pressing the button to change the behaviour of some of the icons.  So I would just rename the arrow button to "Properties" just like it is named in Vista when you highlight the system tray arrow button with the mouse.

    2)  My second point has to do with that in Windows Vista a few icons will always be shown in the system tray.  In Windows 7 the only icon that will be shown is just the network icon unless you select "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar".  I like the way Vista handles icons in the system tray because if I install a new program and that program installs an icon to the system tray (meaning there is a program running in the background) I will see it right away.  In Windows 7 I will always have to click the "Show hidden icons" button to see if a new program installs a program that runs in the background.  Sure its only 1 click, but in Vista I don't have to click at all.  I don't see the need for the change.

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 8:37 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 8:53 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Windows Media Center should sort music within compilation albums, such as movie soundtracks, based on the individual artist and not the album artist when browsing your music by "Artist"

    There are 2 tags in a MP3 file for defining the music artist.  There is "Artist" and "Album Artist". 

    When sorting through your music collection by the category "Artist"  the albums by an individual artist are correctly sorted on the tag "Album Artist". 

    However, music in a compilation album is still being sorted on "Album Artist" instead of "Artist". 

    Example: 

    I have the soundtrack for the movie "Transformers"

    I label the tag "Album Artist" with the string "Various Artists" for each of the mp3 tracks within that album.

    I label the tag "Artist" with the name of the artist for that specific MP3 track.

    Track 1 is tagged as:  "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Linkin Park";              "Title = What I've Done"       "Album = Transformers: The Movie"
    Track 2 is tagged as:  "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Smashing Pumpkins"; "Title = Dooms Day Clock"   "Album = Transformers: The Movie"
    Track 3 is tagged as:  "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Disturbed";                "Title = This Moment"           "Album = Transformers: The Movie"

    And then in Windows Media Player when I sort based on Artist I should see an artist entry for:
    Linkin Park
    Smashing Pumpkins
    Disturbed

    But, instead of seeing the artist listed individually they are all listed under the artist "Various Artists".

    There should be some program logic that if the tag "Album Artist = Various Artists" then Windows Media Player should then sort that album via the tag "Artist".

    There is no perfect solution for what string of text to use for "Album Artist" for compilation albums, but the string "Various Artists" seems to be the most commonly used value.

    And no, you cannot just change the value in the tag "Album Artist" to the individual artist because then when you browse your music collection by album you will see multiple entries for the same album.

    I know this can be done because the 3rd party software MediaMonkey will list songs in compilation albums by the individual artist when you browse your music collection using the MediaMonkey library and browse under "Artist & Album Artist".

    And please make this change to the Zune software for Windows as well.  The Zune software for Windows is great except for this one attribute.








  • Monday, May 18, 2009 8:54 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    How about a slider in Media Player that lets you adjust the size of the album art thumbnails.  If Apple iTunes can do it then so can Windows Media Player.  And please add a size slider to the Zune Windows software as well.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 9:20 PMirfanbulu Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    After extensive testing for 2 weeks and comparing with OSX's dock, here is how I like the new taskbar.
    I like the new taskbar a lot. In terns of functionality it is as good as OSX's dock and even better. But it becomes quite crowded sooner than you'd think. I wish it had some autoresize and autoscroll option. Once you have so many appz pinned, it is a pain in the .. to scroll to the next set of icons and return back. If they can implement something like an autoscroll functionality (consider the taskbar as a continous stripe, with both ends attached to each other, as the user approaches on end, the icons start to scroll, like a conveyer belt :-) Scroll direction can simply be determined from the mouse's movement direction, user can scroll back and forth effortleslly without the need to click anyting) it would be really cool and simple and usefull and fast and intuitive :-) I hate to use small icons just because I pinned three more appz than the taskbar could accomodate with large icons.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 9:25 PMCornel001 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Now all the icons are showing in the system tray.  The problem is what if you want to go back and now hide the icons in the system tray.  How do you get back to the system customization screen since the arrow button is no longer there?
    Man, what's your problem ?
    You cant get back to the customization screen at all, or you cant get back the same quick way ?
    Probably MS didnt think people really need to change this so often (and I dont think too), so they said , its easy to do right click taskbar -> properties -> notification area / customize notification icon .
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 9:26 PMVistaline Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    RMB the Taskbar, select "Properties", then "Customize..." in the Notification Area groupbox. Or type "noti" into the Start Menu, but I know that's not for everyone.

    In response to 2) (the second one...):

    Drag the icon out of the notification box or select the appropriate option from the Notification Area Icons applet. And the problem with the old model is that it interfered with items on the taskband if it was full enough, or if the user had enough notification icons. This is very annoying for people who've bought laptops through vendors that are filled with junk apps but don't know they can delete them. I'm sure you've seen XP/Vista desktops where the notifications cover 1/3~1/2 the taskbar. Not only is it a problem if they go unremoved but even if they are hidden, expanding the notification area will likely wind up compressing the taskbar area. Even if it is only momentary, it is annoying.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 9:50 PMEriq07 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar.  That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

    I would like to see the old Advanced Search options return that you could get in Vista.  I don't know why they were taken out.  It used to be extremely helpful to just use a shortcut pointing to search:ms, which would take the user directly to those Advanced Search options.


    Totally agree with these two points. It was actually faster for me to use the old Advanced Search method. It made more sense.

    Aside from the other issues I'm having with the RC over the beta, everything else is ok. Just hoping Microsoft fixes the issues in the RC that weren't present in the beta for me.
    • Edited byEriq07 Monday, May 18, 2009 9:50 PMedit
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 10:15 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.

    110% Agreed!

    Heaven forbid you are using Windows in a work environment and you are working on a server and accidentally click Shutdown.

    Or even worse, you are remotely logged into a server and accidentally hit Shutdown.  Now you have to walk to the server room and turn the server back on while throngs of people curse you out.

    Or even worse than that you are remotely logged into a server, accidentally hit shutdown and you don't have access to the server room and its after hours and there is no one available to turn the computer back on for you so you have to call the after hours support person who now has to drive back to the office to turn on the computer.  OOPS!

    MS really needs to have a pop-up window appear after clicking shutdown that gives you an option to either "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now".  And then add a timer so that if "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now" are not clicked the computer will shutdown on its own.  Hey, its 5pm at work, you click Shutdown, forget to click "Shutdown Now" not a problem because the computer will still shutdown after a period of time.

    I know a lot of people don't like having to click "Shutdown" and then a confirmation to shutdown, but MS has to remember that their operating system is used both at home and in a work environment and accidentally shutting down a computer in the work environment can have serious consequences.  MS could always add an option to disable the shutdown confirmation, but by default "shutdown" should always require a confirmation.

    Not because grandma at home may accidentally shutdown her computer when browsing family photos, but because you are at work remotely logged into a server and instead of clicking the arrow next to "Shutdown" so that you can select Logoff, you accidentally hit "Shutdown".

    Okay now lets be realistic about this or at least check out the feature before making a statement on the subject.  If anyone else is logged on to the system you are shutting down, it gives you a warning and asks that you confirm.  If you have any apps open with unsaved work, it gives you a warning as well. I've tried both to verify since we are, indeed testing a new OS.  Yes, they changed the function but they didn't just make it the equivalent of pulling a trigger on a gun.  Please try it before just making statements that really aren't an accurate reflection of how it works.  If you don't like the way it now works then say so, but don't just create hypothetical scenarios that have no bearing in reality....

    Stephen
     
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 10:21 PMoCpmture Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Stack By!!! Put back stack by. I really hope the devs just took it out for the RC to work on it, instead of removing it permanently. 

    Library is so limited compared to just a regular folder view. Instead of being able to stack by any metadata, I can only stack a very limited and preset of properties...What if i want to stack music by composer instead of artist? a picture by camera modeL?

     Aside from the lack of "stack by", there is no rightclick->"group by" option from a *search* performed in a library, like there is with a search performed in a regular folder..inconsistencies..


    • Edited byoCpmture Monday, May 18, 2009 10:23 PM
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 10:36 PMwin7pwns123 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    yeah you're entirely right,
    i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.

  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:10 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    yeah you're entirely right,
    i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.


    That is very interesting.  I just re-ran my original tests.  I opened a Word document and made some changes and then hit shut down.  I was immediately prompted to save my changes and (when I did nothing) then was presented with a black screen warning me that there was an open document, with the option to cancel or force shut down.  That sure seems sufficient to me.  I then started a large download and hit shut down.  This (again) resulted in the black screen with the warning regarding the open application.  While I would suggest that the timeout before it automatically shuts down should be longer, it again did not just shut down.  When I get home, I will log my other computer onto this laptop but I think it is a given that I will (again) get the old fashioned message I got the first time that someone is still logged on and that proceeding will disconnect them.  

    They did not make the function stupid - they just made it faster.  I will take the new system over the energy waste on XP systems sitting with a greyed screen asking what to do (after the user has left for the day).  That one I really have addressed more times than I would care to remember in more than one office....

    Stephen
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:14 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.

    110% Agreed!

    Heaven forbid you are using Windows in a work environment and you are working on a server and accidentally click Shutdown.

    Or even worse, you are remotely logged into a server and accidentally hit Shutdown.  Now you have to walk to the server room and turn the server back on while throngs of people curse you out.

    Or even worse than that you are remotely logged into a server, accidentally hit shutdown and you don't have access to the server room and its after hours and there is no one available to turn the computer back on for you so you have to call the after hours support person who now has to drive back to the office to turn on the computer.  OOPS!

    MS really needs to have a pop-up window appear after clicking shutdown that gives you an option to either "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now".  And then add a timer so that if "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now" are not clicked the computer will shutdown on its own.  Hey, its 5pm at work, you click Shutdown, forget to click "Shutdown Now" not a problem because the computer will still shutdown after a period of time.

    I know a lot of people don't like having to click "Shutdown" and then a confirmation to shutdown, but MS has to remember that their operating system is used both at home and in a work environment and accidentally shutting down a computer in the work environment can have serious consequences.  MS could always add an option to disable the shutdown confirmation, but by default "shutdown" should always require a confirmation.

    Not because grandma at home may accidentally shutdown her computer when browsing family photos, but because you are at work remotely logged into a server and instead of clicking the arrow next to "Shutdown" so that you can select Logoff, you accidentally hit "Shutdown".

    Okay now lets be realistic about this or at least check out the feature before making a statement on the subject.  If anyone else is logged on to the system you are shutting down, it gives you a warning and asks that you confirm.  If you have any apps open with unsaved work, it gives you a warning as well. I've tried both to verify since we are, indeed testing a new OS.  Yes, they changed the function but they didn't just make it the equivalent of pulling a trigger on a gun.  Please try it before just making statements that really aren't an accurate reflection of how it works.  If you don't like the way it now works then say so, but don't just create hypothetical scenarios that have no bearing in reality....

    Stephen
     

    You got me.

    I did not test correctly.  That scenario cannot happen. 

    Though there is the scenario that poor win7pwns123 ran across (2 messages after this).  Lost his download the poor guy.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:20 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    yeah you're entirely right,
    i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.


    damn that sucks. at least that has never happened to me yet. In Vista and Windows 7, i just set it so that the power button does nothing while pressed. Other than that, you can just hold it down for 6-7 seconds and it will force a shutdown. but thats just crashing the system and should only be done in case of an emergency... I only to shutdown the PC like that when the PC completely freezes up. oddly the PC has down that once or twice under Vista and three or four times under Windows 7 Beta 1 build 7000.
  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:38 PMLilBro Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Just a couple comments from an old fogie.

    First, I think there is too much space between the buttons on the Quick Launch task bar. On WinXPSP3 they was much less empty space which made for a more compact taskbar.

    Second, while having the "Show Desktop" button as a standard button on the taskbar now, it would help gretly if it were flagged or had an icon. I stumpled across the button, on the far, far right of the taskbar, by accident.

    Third, I'm not too wild about the up triangle used to Show Hidden Icons. The action flag is a good addition, however.

    Fourth, I got so used to using Windows-U-U to shut down my computers, I get frustrated it can't be used anymore. Using that combo was especially nice when I shut ff my computer at night. I new where the keys were and didn't need to turn on the room lights.

    Fifth, and really, REALLY picky, is I hate the new version of Solitaire. I couldn't care less about my win loss average or how many games I've played. I hate the halo effect, which is just one more example of a programmer with far too much time on his hands and no idea of what the user really wants. I also hate the automatic card exposing. It's really distracting.

    Sixth, I hope Microsoft will realize that although some 64 bit apps do exist, they are still not the norm, even after the first 64 bit chips and OS have been around for years, decades even. Although only my 6 year old flat bed scanner won't work, and Canon refuses to update the drivers) there are probably beaucoup items that will need WinXP emulation to work correctly. Let's hope they can get this part to work by October.
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  • Monday, May 18, 2009 11:38 PMLhyksus Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:42 AMMikro Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Oh My god guys I just installed an oldie but a goodie Mech Warrior 4 vengeance on windows 7 simply amazing with the old game no issues installing it or getting it to run on 7 even esc and go directily to desktop from a mission like that nothing simply closed the game and return to the desktop

    another thing I had it installed on windows vista. it fought me every inch of the way install issues iperformance issues it sucked but Mechwarrior granted I shut all the background apps to get the most out of it but my god the game played so nice

    PS windows 7 is really showing how bad vista was even though I didn't have a lot of issues my 3 things is games MS flight sim x and Mechwarrior and video editing all ran perfect no issues I'm going back into Mechwarrior now and play through the campaign buh bye
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  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:47 AMAndy C Clark Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I migrated from Vista to RC on my Sony laptop FS415B, but the touchpad driver loaded was the wrong one.  Instead of loading the working driver from the Vista config, RC loaded a different driver.  The result was that there was no way to control clicking/tapping, which soon drove me nuts.  So, I loaded the Vista driver which is the Alps touchpad driver 7.0.301.4, which works perfectly.

    Otherwise everything is great, and the graphics work better than Vista.  Well done!

    Andy Clark
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:50 AMOtzen Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista.  I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy.  I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:58 AMOtzen Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar.  That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

    Agreed, That would be very nice.  That was always a feature I liked in Ubuntu or other Linux distributions was the ability to drag a file down the to taskbar and not have to worry about minimizing anything over the icon.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:17 AMcjwhitsitt Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I noticed a small yet annoying bug.  I was playing Mahjong Titans in full-screen through Windows Media Center's Extras category.  I lost the game and clicked "End Game" to exit the game and go back to the Extras menu.  The game closed and the menu came up, but the full-screen was not on my whole screen.  It was translated to the lower-right 3/4 of the screen, so some of WMC was not visible including the minimize, restore, and close buttons.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:56 AMtylander Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
         Tiny bugs needing fixes in Windows 7. For my test machine I decided to try something different, I'm running a Toshiba Satellite series laptop with an AMD Turion 64 motherboard. I'm currently running the 32 bit version of RC as I felt that it would be the more popular version upon release but have considered installing a copy of the 64 bit version on one of my other Hard Drives. I had 4 gigs of ram installed but I switched it down to a 2 gig chip as it better reflects the computers currently on the market.
         ATI has some minor compatibility errors with Win 7 but that's mostly due to the Catalyst control center being designed for Vista. A new software program is probably on it's way from ATI. 
         I don't believe there would be any difference between running it with a 500 gig HD or if I used the original 320 gig, but I did notice that the Windows performance rating dropped from a 5.0 to a 2.0 after the clean boot intallation of Windows 7 RC on the 500gig. Strangely enough, I had the 500 gig loaded with junk while running Vista and 7 Beta on it and it pulled a 5.0, but being completely clean and reformatted (and only 8 months old) it dropped to a 2.0! Me thinks the performance rating is based on what the newest most expensive product is... Like saying that my 92 Dodge isn't as good as if I upgraded to a New Nissan Titan. Great selling point but not really true. I can't even fill up the 160 gig that's in my old emachine laptop! 
         Here's a few generic comments on other things.
         Like Vista, there's an incompatability problem with older Win programs. The most irritating is the "unreadable word document." I have old word docs going back to windows 95 (transferred from computer to computer over the years) and there is not one program that can open a microsoft word document from Win 95, 98 or ME properly in the current or previous OS. Strangely, my secondary OS (Linux) has a program that opens them fine without any formatting glitches or errors.
         Speaking of OS, I've tried running Linux alongside Win 7 both as an installation on the primary drive and on a boot drive. No problems at all... except when shutting down and rebooting Win 7.
         Initially there were connection problems with my wireless router as Win 7 did not want to join the internet crowd and stayed in local access mode until forced to, but a quick download of linksys software eliminated that little problem. The Windows connection center no longer makes the connection but still monitors the network in it's simple way. Network magic is so much better and works just fine with Win 7.  
         I still miss the simple but easy to use "searching Dog" from Windows XP. The search on the start menu in Vista and Win 7 is fine but it lacks easily accessable search refinement and simple interaction. (Tested and complained about by my 13 year old daughter.)
         Internet Explorer lockups!!!! Oy Vey! Flash player has locked, Adobe movie has locked, IE has locked, shut down or restarted so many times I gave up on documenting them. Even did it three times while loading my little avatar picture for this forum! Downloads have failed... and on and on. the neatest one is whenever I right click to save an image from a webpage it pops up a window that says:
        "Pictures.library-ms is no longer working. This Library can be safely deleted from your computer. Folders that have been included will not be affected."
    You click OK and the box appears again, then you click ok again and then you can save the picture.
    I'm not even sure what that's all about! Since I rarely save pics from web pages it doesn't bug me too much but I can see where it could get irritating.
         Firefox works fine as an internet browser on Win 7. Actually Firefox is superior to IE because it actually works! I don't know if its all the added bits that IE has that screws it up or if it's just buggy in design, but I have resorted to using firefox whenever I'm going to an important webpage as the lockups can get very irritating very fast. 
         We'll see what the next few weeks brings!
    • Edited bytylander Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:10 AMCouple of spelling errors more that I missed I'm sure
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  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:06 AMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......

    I wish people would just acknowledge that they just don't like the Vista/Windows 7 shutdown approach and move on.  One can complain if one likes, but creating scenarios that range for the illogical to the impossible is just silly and dragging out what is actually a non-argument..  As to accidentally "shutting down your server," last I checked this is a Windows 7 forum not a Server 2008 forum.  How can you accidentally shut down your server from within a Windows 7 client? If you ignore that one, you get to "I am going to lose all my data" but that doesn't hold up since the app should prompt you to save and the OS will tell you that you have an open app.  Even with the somewhat more realistic "I lost my download," if you accidentally hit the button/command, were you still not sitting there to see the black screen and warning for a few seconds?  Granted, for this one they should stretch the time-out but that just a fix of the existing feature (not a re-design)  Of course, if it is such a crisis, just change the function of the button to do nothing.  It is not even a new feature (just new to XP users) and the world hasn't been in crisis with lost data, shut down servers, and missing files for the past couple years. 

    Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy to those who are so involved in this from the XP end. I actually do sympathize with the fact that you struggle with (or don't like) the feature - I don't agree but do sympathize.   I am sure that someone can design a little app (or hack) so that it will do what you want.  Please make it about your dislike of the feature though, not about unrealistic disaster scenarios and elaborate rationalizations. I could come on here and say that if you press the power button your computer will self-destruct, or that it will turn into a toaster or a Mac (pretty much the same thing from my perspective) and it would be based in just about the same level of reality....   


    Stephen
     
    • Edited byswyost Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:20 AM
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  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:12 AMickymay Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    annoyed that windows mobile device centre still isn't working for my omnia with windows mobile on it , I have had to install the vista version of sync centre in order to get my calendar syncing with outlook :!

     

    windows search when it works is excellent but seems a bit sluggish and hard to reset to defaults if you dare refine the search paramaters ?

     

    otherwise all good so far :)

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:38 AMderosnec‌ Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I feel obliged to direct this comment at all those chiming in that "they don't listen"...
    These sorts of comments really are annoying, untrue, and wholly non-constructive.

    Stehen



    Then don't use it.

    Stephen



    Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy

    Stephen



    Ok Mac Davis, whatever you say.


  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:45 AMBombinxile Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Please bring back the toolbar in the taskbar for windows media player 12 when minimized (like in media player 11) . The mouseover control are not sufficient and slow in response.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:09 AMJaseAllen Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I'd like to see the Vista calendar app improved on added to Win7.  It has its flaws, but it's small and handy.  I don't want to keep a multi-function memory hog open just for a few appointment reminders, nor to I want to maintain an online calender.  For now I'll have to revert back to the Mozilla Sunbird calender.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:17 AMCristi-M Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:34 AMBombinxile Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Very much agree. Make the built in windows calendar able to add appointements and birthdays with a built in reminder and alarm! That would rock and improve productivity so much.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:45 AMBombinxile Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Add support for .bin and .iso files.

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:47 AMBombinxile Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    when right-click -> play all in wmp12, make it so that it dosent maximize the now playing window and does it in the background.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:29 PMdwdino Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Please bring back the toolbar in the taskbar for windows media player 12 when minimized (like in media player 11) . The mouseover control are not sufficient and slow in response.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:33 PMdwdino Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !

    While I am not sold on the new office interface, I have adapted to the new W7 interface and am twice as quick. What I am perceiving here is a reluctance for certain individuals to learn new tricks.

    Please, clear the slate and come at W7 with a fresh perspective. Try to accomplish tasks with the workflow envisioned. Once comfortable, go back to XP and compare. Do not try to twist W7 into an XP mold. Like Mac, when the whole OSX rebirth happened, this is a different way of doing things. I believe, if you truly adapt and try W7 the way it is designed, the benefits will become obvious. Then again, for some, maybe not...
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:53 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    who ever talked about that issue with the recycle bin and it not being not being able to be pinned to the taskbar is right. the odd thing is that i was able to do that in the beta version of Windows 7, or was just just by error? well, i hope that they fix this for those of you who want this or i may fix this myself if microsoft doesn't. and why can it be pinned to the start menu? i think that is slightly pointless for the recycling bin? lol
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:43 PMGary02139 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ---Away Mode improperly specified or implemented---

    In both 7000x64 and 7100x64, Sleep Mode works properly for me, but Away Mode has a significant problem.

    When the PC awakes (from S3) to perform a scheduled task (such as TV recording or disk defragmenting), it enters Away Mode. But Away Mode has a bug with regard to the monitor:
    (1) The monitor should remain asleep. Instead, it wakes and displays a blank (dark) screen.
    (2) The monitor remains in that state for the duration of the scheduled task, unless I supply input to the keyboard or mouse. If I do supply user input, then the monitor displays the login screen (as it should), and then goes to sleep (as it should) after the configured idle timeout period. But if I do not supply user input, the monitor does not sleep until the scheduled task finishes and the computer goes back to sleep (S3).

    Both of those behaviors are incorrect. In Away Mode, the monitor should not wake in the first place; and if it does, it should turn off after the specified idle time, even if no user input is ever supplied.

    This problem has existed in both the Beta and RC, with the Vista64 video drivers (182.50), the Windows7x64 beta WDDM drivers (185.81), and the Windows7x64 WHQL WDDM drivers (185.85). (All other drivers in my system are supplied automatically by Windows.) I don't know if it's a problem with the drivers or with the Away Mode logic. If it's a driver problem, then the drivers should not be WHQL-certified; correct power-management behavior should not be optional.

    I recognize that Away Mode is not a power-saving mode per se. Still, there is no excuse for throwing energy away by turning on the monitor just to display a blank screen (my monitor burns 120W). And it's especially unfortunate that Away Mode suppresses the idle timeout that would ordinarily turn the monitor off again. Away Mode should not be using *more* energy than the normal Awake state.

    Microsoft should be aware that this is a significant flaw. It took years before power management worked properly in XP on my main home PC. Vista's power management never worked properly on desktop PCs I've seen (which is a reason I skipped Vista). Although I am otherwise pleased with Windows 7, I would hesitate to purchase the released product unless power management is first shown to work properly in an update to the RC.


    Some details: in the Power Options, Multimedia Settings, Away Mode is not selected (Allow Sleep is selected instead). Media sharing is disabled. Wake on LAN is disabled. There is no Away Mode BIOS support.

    I tried to disable Away Mode via:
     powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_sleep 25dfa149-5dd1-4736-b5ab-e8a37b5b8187 0
     powercfg -setactive scheme_current
     reboot
    but it had no effect on the problem (even though "powercfg -qh" shows that the setting did change).

    GA-P35-DS3Lr2(F8) Q9450 OCZ8500(4GB) GTX260(WDDM1.1/185.85) 3xWDGreenPower(1TB)SATA
    WinTV1600 GGW-H20L 3007WFP(2560x1600) 6.1.7100x64 Avast4.8.1335

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:59 PMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista.  I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy.  I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.
    MS removed several applications from the Windows installation disk, but they are available for download from www.microsoft.com\windowslive

    Including a new and improved photo gallery compared to the one bundled in Vista so you can still fix your pictures.

    I think MS resorted to users having to download programs that used to be bundled with Windows to avoid some of the antitrust lawsuits they have been receiving.  So instead of bundling the programs with the Windows installation disk you now download them from the website www.microsoft.com\windowslive.


  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:30 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista.  I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy.  I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.
    MS removed several applications from the Windows installation disk, but they are available for download from www.microsoft.com\windowslive

    Including a new and improved photo gallery compared to the one bundled in Vista so you can still fix your pictures.

    I think MS resorted to users having to download programs that used to be bundled with Windows to avoid some of the antitrust lawsuits they have been receiving.  So instead of bundling the programs with the Windows installation disk you now download them from the website www.microsoft.com\windowslive.



    Yes, you do have to download Windows Live Photo Gallery and I believe that is related to the antitrust settlement but I will add that it is not new and also not improved.  It is pretty much the program that has been around for download for over a year.  While it has some nice feautures, it is much slower than Vista Photo Gallery.  Because it is web enabled it can also be painfully slow if on a sluggish network/internet connection....

    Stephen
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:42 PMtjbl Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......

    I wish people would just acknowledge that they just don't like the Vista/Windows 7 shutdown approach and move on.  One can complain if one likes, but creating scenarios that range for the illogical to the impossible is just silly and dragging out what is actually a non-argument..  As to accidentally "shutting down your server," last I checked this is a Windows 7 forum not a Server 2008 forum.  How can you accidentally shut down your server from within a Windows 7 client? If you ignore that one, you get to "I am going to lose all my data" but that doesn't hold up since the app should prompt you to save and the OS will tell you that you have an open app.  Even with the somewhat more realistic "I lost my download," if you accidentally hit the button/command, were you still not sitting there to see the black screen and warning for a few seconds?  Granted, for this one they should stretch the time-out but that just a fix of the existing feature (not a re-design)  Of course, if it is such a crisis, just change the function of the button to do nothing.  It is not even a new feature (just new to XP users) and the world hasn't been in crisis with lost data, shut down servers, and missing files for the past couple years. 

    Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy to those who are so involved in this from the XP end. I actually do sympathize with the fact that you struggle with (or don't like) the feature - I don't agree but do sympathize.   I am sure that someone can design a little app (or hack) so that it will do what you want.  Please make it about your dislike of the feature though, not about unrealistic disaster scenarios and elaborate rationalizations. I could come on here and say that if you press the power button your computer will self-destruct, or that it will turn into a toaster or a Mac (pretty much the same thing from my perspective) and it would be based in just about the same level of reality....   


    Stephen
     

    OK Stephen, let me explain to you in plain words why the no-confirmation shutdown is so dumb.

    Simplifying a bit, when you click shutdown, Windows sends a message to each running application telling it to quit if it can.   If there is unsaved data, a well behaved application will advise Windows that it's not ready to quit, and Windows will show the appropriate prompts before continuing with shutdown.  However this approach depends upon every application responding appropriately, including third party applications over which MS has limited control.

    Now you may not be concerned about badly written third party applications failing to respond properly to a shut-down request, and that's fair enough.  But there's one class of applications you should be concerned about, and that's WebApps.  Try writing a long post into this forum and clicking ShutDown before you post your pearls of wisdom.  Sayonara, oyster.

    That said, I don't see this as much of a problem when it's so easy to evade by changing the default closedown option.  On the other hand, implementing a choice (confirmation/no confirmation) or a countdown would surely be a very very tiny piece of work, and from an external perspective it seems bone-headed or bone-idle not to have done so.

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:47 PMfrisco42 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    REMEMBER EACH FOLDER'S VIEW SETTINGS

    This option , which was present in the 'Folder Options'  menu since W98 is missing in 7.

    My work divides nicely in projects. I create a project folder containing all the files in the project and place a shortcut to it on the desktop. This folder is sized like a menu and placed at the right edge of my two screen monitor setup. To work on a particular part of the project I simply click on the appropriate file. Easy.
    Only for the initial creation of a particular file do I need to bother with the Start Menu so I care little what it looks like, but not having the folders remember their size and position independently of each other is a pain.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:03 PMtest11david Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    One thing about windows firewall.
    It will be realy very nice adding same notification/rule auto creation function as when program is trying to listen to some communication also on the outgoing direction. It will allow then to bloc all communications and yust wait for program trying to go out and then allow/deny it instead of watching logs and then configuring outgoing rules manualy.

    David
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:06 PMdavehc1 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I have commented, since the early Vista releases, on the method of deploying the "Global" Adminstrative account. If one reads this, and other forums on the web, it is obviously a very desirable feature.
    I am disappointed that, once again, it does not appear in Windows 7. It is extremely irritating, and badly thought out, that after installation of Windows 7, the user/installer, finds he only has limited Administrative rights to his own computer!
    Would it not make sense to have this, as was done automatically in XP and aerlier OS's, to be logged in, without hindrance, as the Global Administrator?
    It would do no harm, during the relevant portion of the install prcedure, to have a message adivising the installer that it would be a good idea, for security reasons, to set an user account and use it as default AFTER the install.
    This has, in fact, been common default practise with most Linux distributions, for years.
    Without labouring on, there are several other instances, still in the RC, of items which should be selective, rather than defaults.


  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:26 PMGuillermo.Marraco Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Windows Live Alerts from TechNet Forums <forumsup@microsoft.com> wrote:
    > Another user, Stickywulf, has replied to a thread you have subscribed to in
    > the Windows 7 Hardware Compatibility Forum.
    >
    > Thread Title is possible to use XP drivers in compatibility mode?
    > Started by:
    > Guillermo.Marraco
    >
    > Reply:
    >
    > Is that the Epson Stylus Color 600 ?
    > If it is then I think it just uses the Epson Standard 2 Driver.
    >
    > Click start, and then type "control printers"
    > Click "add new printer"
    > Choose "add a local printer"
    > Choose "use an existing port (LPT1)"
    > Choose manufacturer "Epson" and printer "Epson ESC/P Standard 2" and click

    I tried "Epson ESC/P Standard 2", and it does not works. It prints random characters.

    (I'm 100% sure that the Epson Stylus color 600 is a ESC/P2 printer, because it is in XP)

    Also tried to use Windows XP virtual machine, but it looks like it does not directly access the LPT2 port.

    I hoped to install it in virtual machine, and share the printer with Windows 7. If where possible, it would unblock lots of future updates to Win7, since many updates are blocked because of lack of drivers for expensive printers.

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:34 PMtonistein Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     


    This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.



    You may not go for the score but the OS will. Your system is not up to par & you should not hope for sterling performance. As the 'Good Book' says - don't put new wine into old bottles or they will break. Put new wine into new bottles.
    For new OS get new hardware or upgrade them in order to get good performance lest you start blaming your tools instead of yourself when things go wrong.
    My system got a 6.0 for graphics performance but I will still go back to the good ol' XP when the evaluation period is over cos the Win7 is going to cost a bomb.

    Gigabyte EP35 DS4 P4C2 6750/4Gb DDR2 1066/ NV 8800GT 256mb/ 2x1TB SATA/ 1x750Gb SATA/ 1x500Gb SATA/ DVDRW x4 sets/ Pinnacle AVDV capture card/ Antec Trio 550W PSU
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:38 PMGuillermo.Marraco Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    At initial setup, if you boot with a USB stick attached containing RAID/AHCI drivers, at the point where you create and select the install partition you receive the error:

    "Setup was unable to create a system partition or locate an existing partition."


    Here's what I had the first time I tried to install Win7 RC:

    Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
    Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD
    Boot device 3 = USB stick with ICH10R AHCI drivers

    Setup starts fine, you can load the drivers, it lets you choose a partition but then says "unable to create system partition".

    The solution for me was as follows:

    1) Do not have USB stick plugged in when booting, so only:
    Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
    Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD

    2) At the setup page which says you can load other drivers, insert the USB stick, click the link and load the drivers

    3) Unplug the USB stick

    4) Continue with setup


    If you search you'll find quite a few references to this problem. Somethings wrong with the app to select the install partition if it's getting confused between what you have selected and an unrelated action to load drivers from a different device.


    I had similar problem (ICH7). Rebooted and started again, and it worked.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:00 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

    One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

    I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:21 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.
    Its weird that your scores went down when you upgraded to Windows 7 because When i upgraded to Windows 7, my scores went up, but just by a bit. it was a lot less of a difference than of what happened to you. and oddly when i went to Windows 7 x86 to Windows 7 x64 my main graphics score went done a bit from 3.5 to 3.4...lol, while my gaming graphics stayed the same. i think thats what i get for having a shared graphics controller on my tablet PC. now my question is, why did the score go down?...lol
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:39 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

    One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

    I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....

    I understand your point but can't quite say I agree in this case.  With respect to battery usage, I find that WIndows 7 does a very good job of accurately tracking the battery level and rate of discharge.  Since running multiple batteries like that is rather unique, and altering the system to track would seem to necessarily involve more CPU cyles, I am inclined to think the system itself would then be somewhat less efficient.  Whatever allows the system to use the absolute minimum of power while on battery is what I would prefer and I think they are doing a pretty good job at this point.  With respect to the screen saver, my feeling is the same. As it stands, you can set the screen to turn off at an interval less than the screen saver - that would seem to be as good an approach as one can get and doesn't require it to do more work.  Just my opinions though....

    Stephen


  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:04 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

    One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

    I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....

    I understand your point but can't quite say I agree in this case.  With respect to battery usage, I find that WIndows 7 does a very good job of accurately tracking the battery level and rate of discharge.  Since running multiple batteries like that is rather unique, and altering the system to track would seem to necessarily involve more CPU cyles, I am inclined to think the system itself would then be somewhat less efficient.  Whatever allows the system to use the absolute minimum of power while on battery is what I would prefer and I think they are doing a pretty good job at this point.  With respect to the screen saver, my feeling is the same. As it stands, you can set the screen to turn off at an interval less than the screen saver - that would seem to be as good an approach as one can get and doesn't require it to do more work.  Just my opinions though....

    Stephen



    good point on the battery thing with the cpu cycle thing. but of course then different types of batteries are mettered differently as well in a way. i'm not going into detail on that.... well, another thing about my battery mettering idea is that Windows does not have to keeo mettering the dead batteries.... The system should only be monitoring living batteries.... and then when a battery dies it stops monitoring it or just checks up on it every 5 to 10 minutes, whichever  or whatever the user perfers. and when a battery is drained it should be marked as "drained"....

    -Steven
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:05 PMWayneKSav Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Overall I'm pleased with the performance. Things that need work is the sensitivity of the "Show Desktop" button at bottom right screen. Too easy to drift the cursor to the bottom right and have your work dissapear. I also don't understand how the stiff requirements for Virtual XP aor Windows Virtual PC could be a benefit. I assume most user will not have the minimum requirements to use the feature.

  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:46 PMirfanbulu Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:59 PMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.

    That would be a good idea... because i find myseld using it at times for certain applications... I would also like the ability to disable aeropeek and aerosnap. is that even possible?
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:08 PMBrimstone67 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Arg. Pasted directly from Word 2007 to no avail.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:39 PMSanmartin Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ugh, can't anyone (Mr. R.V. anywhere?) edit this rockslide of text? my eyes are experiencing some kind of bsod.
    Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:40 PMBrimstone67 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    ugh, can't anyone (Mr. R.V. anywhere?) edit this rockslide of text? my eyes are experiencing some kind of bsod.
    Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)
    Ya, just edited but no change yet. Don't copy from Word 2007 and post it here. MS boards doen't like MS products I guess.
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:23 PMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Found Another Bug.

    To make a roaming profile you need to go to the Users Profile tab in the properties of Computer.

    Find the profile and choose "Copy to"

    In Windows 7 the "Copy To" is GREYED OUT for ALL USERS except the Default Profile. I have tried a Local User (regular) and two different domain users (regular). I have logged in as both Domain Admin and Regular Admin.

    Machine has been restarted so the profiles are no longer loaded in the registry and I CAN delete them (Delete option is Available). However, I just can't "copy  to" using profile tab.

    I have logged in as a Local Administrator (yes I enabled it) and also a Domain Administrator. Both have the greyed out "copy to" button. It is not a permissions issue.

    It is available this way in Vista as I have done it per these Microsoft Instructions.

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489(WS.10).aspx

    http://i.technet.microsoft.com/cc766489.1265e2ad-1570-406a-b107-6cbabe413b0c(en-us).gif

    Create a Default Network User Profile
    1. Log on to a computer running Windows Vista with any domain user account. Do not use a domain administrator account.

    2. Configure user settings such as background colors and screen savers to meet your company standard. Log off the computer.

    3. Log on to the computer used in step 1 with a domain administrator account.

    4. Use the Run command to connect to the Netlogon share of a domain controller. For Example, the path used in the contoso.com domain looks like \\HQ-CON-SRV-01\NETLOGON

    5. Create a new folder in the Netlogon share and name it Default User.v2.

    6. Click Start, right-click Computer, and then click Properties.

    7. Click Advanced System Settings. Under User Profiles, click Settings.

      1265e2ad-1570-406a-b107-6cbabe413b0c
    8. The User Profiles dialog box shows a list of profiles stored on the computer. Click the name of the user you used in step 1. Click Copy To.

    9. In the Copy To dialog box, type the network path to the Windows Vista default user folder you created in step 5 in the Copy profile to text box. For example, the network path in the contoso.com domain is \\HQ-CON-SRV-01\NETLOGON \Default User.v2.

    10. In Permitted to use, click Change. Type the name Everyone,and then click OK.

    Click OK to start copying the profile. Close all remaining windows and log off the computer when the copying process is complete.


    lforbes
  • Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:11 PMbarth2k Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I was wondering why my media player was showing me wrong album covers. I found out quite by accident windows explorer is hiding folder.jpg files from me.  I was trying to rename a jpg to folder.jpg and win exp told me there was already a file called folder.jpg.  But of course I saw no such file.  Searching came up empty.  I have it set to show hidden files too.  I even set it to treat the folder as "general items" not music.  Finally I copied a folder.jpg from another folder and let it overwrite the phantom folder.jpg.  That did it.  Bug or feature?
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:15 AMNoel Carboni Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

    Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

    <LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

    <LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

    <LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

    -Noel

  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:40 AMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

    Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

    <LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

    <LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

    <LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

    -Noel


    In Windows Explorer, go to Organize and then Folder and Search Options and then view - change show or hide to whatever you want. That usually addresses point 1.  As for ppint 2, change the display to details (the option is usually an icon on the toolbar that says "More Options" if you hover over it). You can turn off grouping by right clicking on the list of files, choose Group By, and then choosing none (or some other option).  If you want different columns, right click on the column header row when in detail view.  With respect to point 3, I am not quite sure what you mean but if you follow the steps for point 1, there is an option to set all folders like the current.  Granted, they never did that right in Vista (didn't always remember the setting) so I don't know if it works correctly in Windows 7.  If I misunderstood something - my apologies.  Otherwise, that addresses how to deal with all three in Vista and Windows 7....

    Stephen
      
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:42 AMirfanbulu Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.

    That would be a good idea... because i find myseld using it at times for certain applications... I would also like the ability to disable aeropeek and aerosnap. is that even possible?

    if it is any motivation for the developers, OSX already has a similar capability. You can assign some functionality to the mouse button that can control the behaviour of expose and spaces...it is quite handy
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:45 AMGuillermo.Marraco Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Windows explorer bug:

    -I saved many web pages to disk. Some where saved as html, others as htm, or other extensions.
    -Then sorted by type (in details, mode).

    Result, .HTM, and .HTML are non sorted. They keeps mixed.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:45 AMSteven Wabik Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

    Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

    <LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

    <LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

    <LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

    -Noel


    I kind of agree. there needs to be a way to turn off the so called "magic" in Windows explorer. expecially since i hate hows Windows 7 views every folder in "library view" now a days instead of "folder view". if you want to go to the folder view you still can by right clicking on the folder, but is there an option to have it so that Windows 7 browses through the folders instead of the libraries by default? or is that now just a dream of the past?
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:21 AMknowone Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    my all in all opinion of the system is & I understand & hope that MICROSUCK will fix some things in the final release -- 7 does provide much better appearance options than VISTA  - I hate that you do NOT have the classic view option on like in XP, also do NOT like that everything is task bar driven, I prefer a bit of older touch so, had to create shortcuts to my desktop as you would normally have on like XP to key programs & folders - since the RC beta comes with NO e-mail programs you can download the Windows Live package which comes with a Windows Mail program similar to VISTA - I have found that the new AVAST antivirus works with 7 and is free (alot of good praise for AVAST) - also, if you use an optimizer tune up program ADVANCED SYSTEM CARE works on 7 -- it's a pretty good system & I have added & tweaked it here & there for my own personal needs EXCEPT for more control on appearance than VISTA, it's a good thing it's free at the moment - I wouldn't pay for 7, I would stick with VISTA for now but, hopefully MS will fill in some holes & gaps where some programs are needed - AND except only for stability reasons XP is still the best, I just love the look & feel of XP ----- SO, amyone who hasn't pulled the trigger on VISTA or 7 yet hold off until a few more tweaks are done
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:54 AMNoel Carboni Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Thanks for your input, Stephen, but I'm quite knowledgeable about the use of Explorer.  I use Details view preferentially, and generally speaking I'm set up to see most folders in Details view by default.  However, if the system gets it in its head that a folder contains music files or pictures or something else special then bam, we see icons or different columns or whatever.  There are also times that the system conspires to hide things from us.  For example, I made a backup of my (legitimate) copy of my Office CD on the hard drive, and something came along and hid all the cabinet files.

    Win7 does seem to do better at making Explorer views more consistent than Vista, but both show clear intent that Explorer has moved away from being a simple, reliable file manager, and now tries instead to be your personal assistant for accessing stuff on your computer.  This has its merits, but there are those of us who'd rather Explorer just did one thing well (and most importantly consistently).

    Regarding file times, I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I want it to sink into Microsoft's awareness that sometimes one needs to see the seconds of the file date/time (e.g., 10:53:04), but there is simply NO WAY to consistently see this.  You can see seconds values for very old files in Explorer's Properties dialog, but not for files modified (or created or accessed) recently.  Instead Properties shows "2 hours ago" or similar.

    I don't mind that they want Explorer to seem friendly.  I just want ways to turn it off.

    -Noel
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:55 AMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !

    While I am not sold on the new office interface, I have adapted to the new W7 interface and am twice as quick. What I am perceiving here is a reluctance for certain individuals to learn new tricks.

    Please, clear the slate and come at W7 with a fresh perspective. Try to accomplish tasks with the workflow envisioned. Once comfortable, go back to XP and compare. Do not try to twist W7 into an XP mold. Like Mac, when the whole OSX rebirth happened, this is a different way of doing things. I believe, if you truly adapt and try W7 the way it is designed, the benefits will become obvious. Then again, for some, maybe not...

    As an Administrator, OSX is a complete nightmare to administer compared to OS 9.4 and was the reason I quit being a Mac Tech after 20 years.  What took 3 command keys to fix in OS 9, now takes a 20 command line UNIX commands.

    Just because Microsoft is trying so desparately hard to copy Mac doesn't mean it is a good thing.

    The one benefit of running Microsoft Windows over Mac was the added functionality.   You have so much more control over everything. Mac has always designed their OS to be used by people with the computer knowledge of a 5 year old.  Anyone who wants to do anything beyond the basics can't.

    Windows 7 copying Mac is a bad thing, not a good thing.

    Removing functionality is a bad thing too because people don't want to have stuff taken away from them.  Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 all removed quite a bit of functionality that was available with Windows 2003 server and Windows XP. That is the main reason we haven't upgraded yet.
    lforbes
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:07 AMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I have commented, since the early Vista releases, on the method of deploying the "Global" Adminstrative account. If one reads this, and other forums on the web, it is obviously a very desirable feature.
    I am disappointed that, once again, it does not appear in Windows 7. It is extremely irritating, and badly thought out, that after installation of Windows 7, the user/installer, finds he only has limited Administrative rights to his own computer!
    Would it not make sense to have this, as was done automatically in XP and aerlier OS's, to be logged in, without hindrance, as the Global Administrator?
    It would do no harm, during the relevant portion of the install prcedure, to have a message adivising the installer that it would be a good idea, for security reasons, to set an user account and use it as default AFTER the install.
    This has, in fact, been common default practise with most Linux distributions, for years.
    Without labouring on, there are several other instances, still in the RC, of items which should be selective, rather than defaults.



    If you have faith in your ability as an administrator not to mess up your PC you can easily put it back. Just disable UAC and take ownernship and then reset the permissions in Windows, Program Files and the registry and reset to Windows XP permissions. I have done this on Windows Vista and Windows 7 both without issue.  In my domain as an administrator I NEED to be an administrator which means I need the ability to modify the HKClasses Root folder (especially seeing as their is no file types manager anymore) as well as the HKLocal Machine.
    lforbes
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:12 AMJG-EDI Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I was wondering why my media player was showing me wrong album covers. I found out quite by accident windows explorer is hiding folder.jpg files from me.  I was trying to rename a jpg to folder.jpg and win exp told me there was already a file called folder.jpg.  But of course I saw no such file.  Searching came up empty.  I have it set to show hidden files too.  I even set it to treat the folder as "general items" not music.  Finally I copied a folder.jpg from another folder and let it overwrite the phantom folder.jpg.  That did it.  Bug or feature?

    For whatever reason MS considers the file "Folder.jpg" as a protected operating system file so selecting "Show hidden files and folders" will not work.  In order to see it in Windows Explorer you will have to uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" under the Windows Explorer Folder Options - View Tab.

    I do not understand why Folder.jpg should be considered a protected operating system file because as far as I'm aware its only ever used to store album art.

    I actually commented on this on May 14th at 2:57pm in the forum thread "Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2 )"

    You won't be the last person to come across this problem when they go to modify their MP3 album art and Folder.jpg already exists, but they cannot see Folder.jpg.

    MS needs to change Folder.jpg so that it is no longer considered a protected operating system file.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:22 AMdavehc1 Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I think you totally missed the point I was making. It is actually much easier than your suggestion to take on the role of Global Administrator, that was not my comment.
    But to the aberage user the method remains hidden.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:55 AMsprogis Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Hey Anthony,

    Please regard this as detailed feedback.

    I have installed windows 7 RC.  Nice and smooth install.  Activated windows, no problems.  Drivers installed are:  Intel chipset x48 application versoin 8.3.1.11010.  Windows program compatiblilty assistent reinstalled using recomended settings, outcome was successfull install.  Intel network driver application verson provistax64_v13.5, outcome was unable to installed due to incompatiable application verson.  Ati 4870x2 Graphics card,  9.4 vista_win7_64_dd driver,  No problems.  9.4 vista32-64_ccc,  The screen flickers on catlysit application install and is working, no problems.  Razor Lycosa key board windows vista 32-64 driver verson 2.04 installed, no problems.  Razor Lachesis mouse driver verson 1.10 installed, no problems.  Direct X10 setup,  downloaded and installed correctly, just the download green bar does not reflect over all procces or time it takes to download.  Sound card is the Creative E-MU1212 Driver verson 2.1 and Application verson 2.1 installed, no problems, appears to function normally.  Downloaded all up dates from windows update,  all installed correctly except the ati update it failed, does not tell me why it failed, update should tell you why it failed instead of an error codes, if possible.  I think it is because I have the lastest update installed for windows 7 anyhow.  The OS tells me if I need to take action on the windows update settings, when update is set to don't check for updates, as well as it does not detect virus protection.  When I change the way  Action Center alerts me to don't notify me about alerts, it stops alerting me.  Did a system health report for the 60 seconds, a warnning report lets me know that it didn't detect an antivirus program installed,  however all tests show a pass mark.  The feature(s) Readyboost with policies changed to better preformence, no problems.  Both Hard disk policies changed to, Turn off windows write caching buffering to improve disk preformance, on problems.  Turned off Windows automatic page file for drive C: set to virtual memory to Zero, no problems.

    Applications install:  Propellerheads Reason 4 for Audio music creation installed, no problems, appears to function normally for now.   Blizzards StarCraft, installed, no problems, however,  you must set Run as administator before you start this game or download the patch update for the first time.  If you do not, the appication does not function normally.   I was able to install it successfully using Windows suggestions for trouble shooting and support from Blizzards web page.  This application then worked normally and installed the patch updates, so far no problems after that.  Did media setting overview, played an audio wav. file I created from Reason 4, no problems in the Windows media playback device so far.  Web page settings overview, no problems.  Windows Defender did a scan, no problems found so far.  Just another personal note seems to have a delay in openning any folder just after boot into the OS,  could be becuase of service with delayed startup?

    So far so good.  Speedy boot up, shut down after 1 hour of restarting on driver installs + applications.  The OS so far seems to learn + make use of prefromance features.

    I hope you find this Feedback useful.

    Dallin

    P.S.  Thank you for letting me try Windows 7 beta build 7000 and this new Release Windows 7 RC build 7100
     



  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:50 AMCounterStrike Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    1/ Vietnamese collation still broken as a friend of mine mentioned before.
    Still hope MS would fix this before or from Win7 RTM.

    Background info on Vietnamese collation data:
    http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/charset/vietalphabet.html
    http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/08/27/457224.aspx
    http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2008/03/26/8337198.aspx
    http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forumarchives/NETinternationalization/Aug2005/post23518788.asp

    2/ Also, the MS's Vietnamese Input Keyboard has never used by most Vietnamese.
    Most Vietnamese (in & outside Vietnam) use 2 these input keyboards: TELEX & VNI.
    These input keyboard should be added into Win7 RTM.

    I'm live in Vietnam, and I don't know what need to do to help MS fix all those errors involved in Vietnamese Language, which appeared from Win2000. So hope this post would draw some attention from Win7 Team.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:25 AMdjsb Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    There's some Firewall behavior I don't like: my desktop is connected to a home network, and I've given permissions for some of my programs to connect to the internet from a home location, but I haven't explicitely allowed or blocked anything for public networks (which isn't applicable for my desktop, since it never moves). When my network adapter is disabled for any reason (troubleshooting it, or for a split-second while updating drivers) Windows Firewall pops up messages asking me to allow my programs access in public networks---even though I'm not connected to *any* network at all.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:13 PMWarel Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I don't mind that they want Explorer to seem friendly.  I just want ways to turn it off.
    Noel, I keep agreeing with you.

    Despite the fact I know it is not going to happen, since windows 7 is "done", I would love to see a overhaul of Windows Explorer. Why MS Paint and Wordpad had a full re-design and Windows Explorer remains almost the same it was in Vista?
    (Note: If it remained the way it was in XP, fine for me, but Vista really messed up with Windows Explorer).

    Why not try a new approach, like the Ribbons? They are not supposed to be the new standard? I like to be able to put commands in the "Title Bar" in Office 2007, and now it is possible to do the same in Paint and Wordpad. But, explorer appears to be "left behind", and we can´t even customize the toolbar anymore.
    I appreciate they are trying to make Explorer more friendly, too, but, if it cost removing very useful features, without giving an option to put back, it´s not a good thing.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:30 PMinceyuni Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner. And if you are doing a clicking on somewhere in the screen, suddenly you find yourself closing the app you are working with. This is an annoying situation. The solution: When you maximize the application window; there should be a 2x2 pixel area in topright corner of the screen. And this area should be UNCLICKABLE. I dont think that there will be a problem with the one who wants the close the window indeed. Anyone wanting to close the window can easily do this by clicking on the cross button. In order the overcome this situation, i am not maximizing the application windows. Bu there should be a systematic solution
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:31 PMinceyuni Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing

    The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner. And if you are doing a clicking on somewhere in the screen, suddenly you find yourself closing the app you are working with. This is an annoying situation.

    The solution: When you maximize the application window; there should be a 2x2 pixel area in topright corner of the screen. And this area should be UNCLICKABLE. I dont think that there will be a problem with the one who wants the close the window indeed. Anyone wanting to close the window can easily do this by clicking on the cross button.

    In order the overcome this situation, i am not maximizing the application windows. Bu there should be a systematic solution
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:39 PMWarel Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing
    I disagree. Never suffered from this. The simpliest solution is using a good mouse pad.

    I never look at the X to close a window. If I want to close it, I just do it, move the mouse to the upper corner and click. Done. It would be a real problem for me if the sugested 2x2 unclickable area existed.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:41 PMBombinxile Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    No thankyou! I like my no-see-close-windows function. no 2x2 space please.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:01 PMsensejs Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Probably a lot more people have seen it or maybe it is only on my laptop but after waking up my laptop from sleep and entering my password it says its wrong. A solution was to click "switch user" and then it did recognize the password and let me log on. Kind of a bug id say. Lets hope its gonna bet fixed until the full w7 comes out, the beta I could not even install on my hardware, thank god RC I was able to, looks really good, I like it.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:32 PMM Kraak Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Excellent.....
    I installed specifically copying the failed installation of 7000 bèta. It seemed to hang but I guess the % counters during setup are different. The installation completed in 20-25min. (I had gotten the most correct drivers so they were available during install on the W7 partition) even left the graphics card remain the main graphics controller for the 1st monitor [DVI]. (my mobo has DVI & VGA aswel [could go to 4 monitors]) Secondary (HDMI 1920*1080[HDCP])was also connected during install. All the USB devices (9) were also left inserted w/o problems.
    I did have 1 issue & am not entirely sure where to place it. Personally I thought it was a ganged/unganged problem but there was something else that preceeds/accompanies the OS hanging which is a statement that a 'jack' was detected to be disconnected.
    I had been playing with audio output and @ that point it was set to address the audio device directly. I changed it to address all audio output via directsound 2 days ago & it hasn't crashed since. Let's hope that was it!
    Still strange that XviD & DivX (350Mb/43min) use 30-35% processor capacity [mp3 2ch change to DD = +2%] while x264 1280*720 (8.5Gb/125min) with DTS uses 10-12%. [audio passthrough] I am guessing (not really) that the w&#kers at MS want to keep using their own mp4 codec. Really, it is a piece of ____, focus on an OS you'll get slapped by the EU eventually for incorporating it in the OS & not allowing other software companies to enter that mkt segment. (& there are plenty)
    I have 64bit versions of x264 + XviD + DivX through FFDShow64 so there's no need for an MP4 codec.

    Besides these minor issues I am pleased with the product.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:46 PMKristaps. Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Trying out Windows Virtual PC with Virtual Windows XP installed. Everything works fine, but there is one thing that keeps bugging me: the virtual XP quite often just freezes for about 15 seconds. If I type something during the freeze. it shows up after the Virtual PC becomes responsive again. The 'Real' PC never freezes - I can do anything even when the Virtual PC is frozen.

    Relevant stats: CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8600 [Wolfdale] at 3.3GHz and 4GB of RAM (64-bit system), of which 1GB is allocated to the Virtual PC.

    Regards, Kristaps.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:38 PMDanielRasch Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Can you guys add the ability to right click on a folder and change the color of it. I have a few friends that have tons of folders and have a hard time finding them. Arranging folders by color can help eliminate that for the average user. You guys create a suggestive folder color scheme for users, such as- Black folder - contains system files; Red folder - contains Video or Image files; Blue folder - contains Music files. I know we can change icons and would not be practical in the amount of steps that one would have to take to accomplishh that. I also know that there are several programs for sale that offer that feature as well, but it isn't as simple as being able to right click the folder and change it. You could also do this for Icons as well.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:14 PMPicsoe - Microsoft fan Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    IE8 suddenly doesn't want to print or to show print-previews anymore.

    I have had this problem several times and the reason was each time due to the fact that the following folder and it's content was deleted somehow :
    C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Temp\Low

    I figured out that this happens when I run [Disc Cleanup of the C-drive] with [Temporary Files] selected.

    This should not happen - I think that it is a little bug that needs to be repared.



    For those who have the problem - it can be solved as follows :
    In C:\users\username\appdata\local\temp
    There should be a folder named LOW
    If that folder is not there : create it.

    Then start the command prompt C:\ in administrator mode
    You can find the command prompt C:\ as follows : StartButton/All Programs\Accessories\
    Click on it with the right mouse button and choose "Run as administrator"

    When the command prompt window opens simply type the following line of text followed by Enter.
    Icacls C:\users\username\Appdata\Local\Temp\Low /setintegritylevel (oi)(ci)low
    username is the name of the user who has the problem.

    Regards
    Picsoe

  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:45 PMswyost Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    Probably a lot more people have seen it or maybe it is only on my laptop but after waking up my laptop from sleep and entering my password it says its wrong. A solution was to click "switch user" and then it did recognize the password and let me log on. Kind of a bug id say. Lets hope its gonna bet fixed until the full w7 comes out, the beta I could not even install on my hardware, thank god RC I was able to, looks really good, I like it.
    Out of curiousity, who made your laptop?  I had a version of that problem with the beta but it appeared to be an incompatible HP keyboard filter in the end.  There were times when typing the password on laptop keyboard the yielded a message that it was wrong but it worked on an external keyboard and other times when the reverse was true.  Very annoying and (thankfully) no longer seems to be an issue with the RC....

    Stephen
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:45 PMderosnec‌ Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     

    Picsoe, I cannot help but notice your reference to Temp folder.  I had run into the same problem with Vista.  Check in Control Panel > Internet Options that your folder is located at C:\Users\Picsoe\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files.   I also noticed if the HS attributes get changed on that folder, it is very uncooperative in being resolved without going to the Command Prompt to fix it.  Unless it gets fixed, access will keep reverting back (to the Temp folder).

  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:22 PMlforbes Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    BUG #1 - Group Polices DON'T Overwrite Local Security Settings for Offline Files.

    I have a Domain where Offline File Caching is Disabled. It is set in the Default Domain Policy - Computer Configuration - Admin templates-Network - Offline Files - Allow or Disallow the use of Offline Files feature = DISABLED.  It says "At least Windows 2000" so it SHOULD work on Vista and Windows 7 too.

    With my Windows 7 machine Offline Files is still enabled and when I go to manually disable it is Greyed Out.

    When I run gpresult on my Windows 7 Machine I get the following that the Winning GPO is the Default Domain Policy.

    However, Offline files is STILL Enabled.

    Why won't it disable via Group Policy?

    I don't have the network bandwith to waste it with offline file caching and then the synching gets all messed up if the server goes offline.

    It is basically a nightmare so I want to turn it off.

    Found out that this is the same with Vista too. It just doesn't disable it unless you disable the services. What a pain.


    BUG #2 - Despite being Hidden on Desktop and Start Menu in Group Policies, the Network shows up in Windows Explorer.

    Again as a Network Administrator, I don't want my users to be able to Browse the Network. I could disable this with XP but not with Windows 7

    lforbes
    • Edited bylforbes Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:02 PM
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  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:30 PMdjsb Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    About Windows Explorer's command bar: the way the buttons and dropdown menus shift around depending on what's selected makes it difficult to use, especially when you're rapidly scrolling through several types of files. The New Folder button, for example, constantly shifts position. I think some of the contex-sensitive buttons should have standard widths, so that each element remains in a predictable spot on the command bar, regardless of what it's displaying.

    As an aside, I'd like a way to customize what shows up on the command bar as well, not to mention reordering its contents. That would go some ways towards reducing my above complaint.
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:40 PMThack Users MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers MedalsUsers Medals
     
    I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner.

    Really?  I've never had this problem.  I think you should seriously consider buying a better mouse, or a mouse mat.

    Thack
  • Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:48 PM