Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:38:42 Z

There are now available in several windows fonts the option to choose characters that are "turned", to use the description in the character map. I just thought this would be a great option along side "Bold", "Underlined", "Strikeout". I researched it a little and found a website that does this for you, but I do not know how difficult it would be to actually implement in an editor. I even wrote a cute story for clarification (but it was deleted, probably looked too much like a commercial, which it sort of is, it's supposed to get you to like the idea):
On the fifth page or the third hour of a very large discussion, you decide, (as immature stalker) to insert a small amount of text to the intended, possibly on the overhead teleprompter/etc, using the latest snazzy gadget from Windows 7 (Which I am suggesting, um you know, now):
əᴉլլᴉq əʌoլ ᴉ
Which turns her beet-red after the boss notices and makes a snide remark, and you end up mopping hallways in Buffalo.... Anyway if anyone was suggesting fonts (I'm sure Someone was) please make a subset of the unicode fonts known as the "turned" letters, or just include a little option next to bold, underline, strikeout.....it could be a great addition to the footnote or self-test quiz, if you, um <ahem>

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:50:08 Z

character map u+202e, right to left override<insert some char> right to left mark

The only older prank I can remember is the character location change on hover.

Rating posts helps other users
Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:51:32 Z

right to left is old, I agree.
I meant upside-down, like those answers to the kids' puzzle books in the dentist's office in the '60s (the nineteen sixties).
esarhp eht would be spelled backwards using special characters now, or using your method (thanks) and by picking the characters from a character map or by going to a website and using their script, or by making a graphic and flipping it.
On the other hand, an editor that can strikeout might be able to do it as well, it was in my mind to at least suggest it, but you're the MVP.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:53:45 Z

I dunno... It sounds like something that COULD possibly have it's place. But I'm not so sure it HAS to be built into Windows. I mean, yeah... Some people might have a use for it. And as such, it might be worth contributing that suggestion to the Office team. But as a whole, I just don't see the masses of people turning their text upside down on a regular basis. As you said, that sort of thing was popular in the 60's. Exactly how much action would that feature see in today's world? I can see it as maybe a fad as people discover the feature and maybe play with it - but it's novelty would likely wear off fairly quickly.

I kinda see it as being more of a pain in the neck - literally - when someone decides to play with it online. Joy... I can see it being used as a captcha tool - to annoy the living daylights out of everybody without actually preventing bots (for very long) from cracking it.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:28:49 Z

No reason you can't put that in the comments thread for the dev team to consider.

Have Comments about Windows 7 Beta (Part 2

Rating posts helps other users
Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:40:07 Z

I see your point Wolfie. After all, if only I need upside down, I merely have to install a free font from someone similarly inclined but much less indolent.
Students reviewing answers to questions on a website (the kind you print for later review) might like it, or labellers....I can't claim to know thousands of uses, and it all reminds me of the consternated mother listening to her kid pray for a red sky. If God so disposes, the kid will be too smug to talk to, and if He doesn't (probably won't), the kid is disillusioned and eventually,,,becomes a politician or a mac user.
I prefer to put it in their minds, hopefully in a pleasing way, when their guard is down.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 12 May 2009 03:15:06 Z

This is basic functionality of Windows XP. If I need to copy a file to a drive with more space, I can not click at a glance.. IN windows XP, you just click the drive or any folder on the drive and the status bar always shows the free space. This information is completely missing in Windows 7 Build 7100 RC

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 12 May 2009 11:40:28 Z

what do u mean screenshot please? if your talking about in computer the info is there.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 12 May 2009 11:58:17 Z

Yes, the info is there when you open (My) Computer.

BUT, in windows xp, this basic information was always visible in the status bar. Now, if we need to see the free space (or the sum of file sizes selected) we have to leave the folder / files we are working with, and go to (My) Computer.

I, and many other forum users are asking for the return of this funcionality (lost since vista, win7 beta and now RC) and Microsoft never pay attention.
There should be at least on option to turn this feature back on. But, no, the "details pane" is so stupid that is needs 3 lines to NOT SHOW the info xp used to give with ONE SINGLE LINE.

And worse, if you select a lot more than 15 files and you need to see the space they take, you need to click the stupid "Show more details" button.

A 10 years old computer that I used to run xp back then had enough processor power to show this info in a millisecond. Maybe the newer computers have LESS processing power, so, if I need the info I can´t have it right away, I need to click the STUPID button "Show more details"... yes, it´s really evolution! (*sarcasm alert here*)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 12 May 2009 15:27:19 Z

Yes, the info is there when you open (My) Computer.

BUT, in windows xp, this basic information was always visible in the status bar. Now, if we need to see the free space (or the sum of file sizes selected) we have to leave the folder / files we are working with, and go to (My) Computer.

I, and many other forum users are asking for the return of this funcionality (lost since vista, win7 beta and now RC) and Microsoft never pay attention.
There should be at least on option to turn this feature back on. But, no, the "details pane" is so stupid that is needs 3 lines to NOT SHOW the info xp used to give with ONE SINGLE LINE.

And worse, if you select a lot more than 15 files and you need to see the space they take, you need to click the stupid "Show more details" button.

A 10 years old computer that I used to run xp back then had enough processor power to show this info in a millisecond. Maybe the newer computers have LESS processing power, so, if I need the info I can´t have it right away, I need to click the STUPID button "Show more details"... yes, it´s really evolution! (*sarcasm alert here*)

It would be nice to see the size of a particular folder when selected. So far I have found a convient/simpe way to display that.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 12 May 2009 18:58:20 Z

Rightclick the folder icon, then Properties.

Rating posts helps other users
Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 14 May 2009 12:02:57 Z

Hey, nice to see we have people asking for this only in a "few" threads:

here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/c704ecad-fa41-4d25-b91a-dca771b0fc84

here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/80d35989-dc14-411a-a942-68ebab2bab8d/

here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/1cbc3578-c8a8-42a7-a18e-308c0a63f977/

here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/12313c79-f39c-41dd-99d7-a600b1a0bc2a/

here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/b553534c-174c-4ba7-bc1d-513501f4c32c

Who want to make a bet? We will need a hundred or a thousand about the VERY SAME ANNOYANCE before Microsoft start to listen?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 14 May 2009 17:34:21 Z

I find Aero Snap gets in my way far more often than it helps me and I think it will annoy standard users if it stays in its current form. I found that disabling it is burried http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-aero-snap-in-windows-7/ .

Two suggestions:
1: Set SNAP to only occur if the window is held in place for a second or two (this time could be configurable through a UI).
2: Make the process to disable snap require fewer clicks. I would expect it to be under Display Properties not under Accessibility Settings.

Ian Matthews www.commodore.ca

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 16 May 2009 12:10:55 Z

ive got an RC build 7100 32-bit install. the details pane shows free disk space of my drives, as well as total space, file system, and bitlocker status. it also does the same for files. it even shows the total space of multiple selected files. however, it wont note the number of files in a folder. the status bar seems useless, though. it just shows the nimber of selected files

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 17 May 2009 14:56:16 Z

Please add these options to windows updates settings: http://img2.pict.com/4d/55/d8/2b77897e94a060b33e285c7798/HwIqq/autoupdates.png

If anyone on the Windows Updates team see this, can you not make Windows auto restart after auto updates? I was in the middle of installing a game and windows just restarts without any user input. So it killed my game installer in the middle of installation. This is a bug in my opinion, and it was in Vista too. It should always ask for confirmation to restart or have a setting somewhere to prevent it from auto restarting after an update. Please fix this before Windows 7 ships.

It is fine that it auto restarts after an update. But when it restarts WITHOUT checking to see if it is safe to do so, to me that is a bug in the software. In my case, I was in the middle of installing a game, and it killed the installer to reboot. Who knows what could've went wrong when the installer is killed like that. I can imagine other scenarios where you are working on some important document, and you forgot to save, and you stepped away for 30 minutes. You come back to the computer and stare at a blank desktop and your unsaved document is no where to be found. That is not how the software should behave.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 17 May 2009 15:48:46 Z

I'm not sure if you know the group policy, but there you can define much more about the Automatic Updates.
Go to Start => Run
Type gpedit.msc
Go to the following path: Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update

There you find the following:
"No auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled automatic updates installations"

(More info:
If the status is set to Enabled, Automatic Updates will not restart a computer automatically during a scheduled installation if a user is logged in to the computer. Instead, Automatic Updates will notify the user to restart the computer.)

The only thing what i don't know is, if the computer restarts if you are not logged in...
Does somebody else now?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 02:36:52 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2)>

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann

Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 03:15:15 Z

I've identified some important UI bugs:

Windows 7 Libraries interfere with the ability to change the default save locations for Office 2007 settings files. This very likely has to do with the fact that Office uses a "Save" dialogue box to relocate the default save locations. The Libraries in general are doing a great job of solving Vista's fragility on matters of redirecting filepaths; but this is a special case -- a Save dialogue overlying the Library interface -- and it seems the Libraries aren't handling the TWO simultaneous filepath redirects correctly. See the following thread for a longer description, and feel free to email me for a PSR file on this bug.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/a892f720-4143-432f-a3e6-3532b5859505

Windows 7 "hidden" fonts are not "hidden" in Word 2007's font list. The font list has become a "weed garden" in Windows 7, with all foreign fonts visible. See the following thread.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/ae99181a-d406-4a56-a667-bf9e9eec8504

The files on the Jump Lists for a pinned app that is set to Run as Administrator mode do not launch in Run as Administrator mode. Nor, as an alternative, is there a context menu option for the Jump Lists that would allow any of these files to be set individually to Run as Administrator. This is a significant problem if a user is following Microsoft's suggested protocol for user accounts, which is to split off administrator activity to a separate admin account, and just run the OS from a normal user account. What happens is that any document accessed or created by an admin account (and pinned to a Jump List) cannot be saved when opened by a normal user account. Hence, there really is a need for a Run as Administrator option for files in the both the Start Menu and Taskbar Jump Lists. See the following thread:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/80eb2a1e-881b-447f-b53b-8001cf883f46

Windows 7 x64 doesn't resume from hibernate, AFAICT.

There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar. That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

I would like to see the old Advanced Search options return that you could get in Vista. I don't know why they were taken out. It used to be extremely helpful to just use a shortcut pointing to search:ms, which would take the user directly to those Advanced Search options.

It would be wonderful to see MS provide a handy timekeeping / work logging app in the system tray (or as a desktop gadget) to complement the clock. Ideally it would have these properties: 1) Unlimited number of timers (egg/countdown or count up) that can be added by choosing any number of new or previously-defined tasks from a user-created roster. (Countdown options are necessary for 'timeboxing' methods of scheduling.) 2) Export to MS Excel (as a CSV file) and MS Project the name of the activity, the total time, and the record for each day (including date, and all start and stop times).

IE8 has two troublesome aspects: First, each tab appears to open a separate instance of iexplorer in Processes. This eats enormous amounts of RAM, and makes it hard to figure out when there's a memory leak. I would also like to see a "run in x86 mode" for IE 8 x64, so that it could actually install Flash or Silverlight. Having to launch an entirely different browser just to watch a Flash or Silverlight video is nonsense.

On the upside, 1) the OS is fast as blazes to boot up, and stable! 2) The Networking taskbar icon is much more functional than before. 3) Libraries generally are a great improvement. 4) I like being able to change the font in Notepad. 5) The Sound Schemes are incredible! They'll make all Mac users jealous!

Thank you for all of your hard work redesigning Windows for NT 7. I was a happy Vista user, and with permission to use 7 RC free until March, I am a die-hard Windows fanatic!

a.k.a.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 04:45:58 Z

I don't agree with all the "By design" stuff, read below:

>Chitbill, the same procedure applies to Windows Vista (see my website:
> http://www.winuser.co.uk/windows_vista_faq/72>_move_documents_folder_to_new_location.html )
>Microsoft make these sort of thing a 'little' more difficult to prevent users inadvertantly changing
>the location which, if the solution was on the start menu, it would be easy to do.

Ok maybe they worded it badly but if I want to move the default documents folder, shouldn't it be easier??
The procedure or whatever is there since forever, sure, it's just different now, and not all programs understand.
BTW and IIRC (was that spelled right?) You've got to go to desktop\bob\my documents and choose properties\location.
That was my fault for wording it badly, it's "my documents" the special folder, not the shortcut right next to it.
This isn't a bug, I'm told, it's by design, and I can go to a website for proof.
I just disagree with this particular design.
--------------
Chitbill , really big pita/nice guy

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 05:00:14 Z

#3 - Jumplists
Edit:
It seems Applications and Tasks (each task requires elevation) run just fine from the Taskbar, it won't open files directly. Files open LUA but if you open the application first then "Open with..." the file you can overwrite just fine. Feel free to ignore this part, I'm leaving it in though.

SHFT+CTRL+LMB on an item to "Run as Admin" on it.

As a test I logged onto my admin account and played a song "Across the Universe", closed WMP, then switched back to my regular account. I played another song "Static X - Cannibal" and again closed WMP. From my standard account I opened WMP's jumplist and SHFT+CTRL+LMB on "Resume previous playlist", after confirmation "Across the Universe" started playing.

Of course, the problem is this doesn't work everywhere perfectly. I tried it in Wordpad as well and that opened just as if I had only pressed LMB. In fact, I'm noticing that more often than not, this doesn't work. Slightly remeniscent of using SHFT+CTRL+LMB/ENTER in the Start Menu, where CMD and MMC are the only applications that respond correctly. All other applications I have either don't respond or open in LUA. So I suspose there is a way of doing what you want to do... it just doesn't work or I'm doing it wrong. You are right though, it needs fixing.

Somewhat surprisingly, SHFT+CTRL+LMB/WIN+# always works to open an application as an admin from the taskbar.

#4 - Recycle Bin
As a workaround for #4 you can pin it to Explorer and SHFT+RMB > Empty Recycle Bin. I believe in the beta this command could be accessed through the regular context menu but t was changed for whatever reason to only show in the expanded menu.

From another post of mine:
(using Windows + 7 as an Example, which is Powershell on my PC now)
Win + 7
If Powershell is inactive, run Powershell. Otherwise, switch to Powershell.

ALT + Win + 7
Display Powershell jumplist.

CTRL + Win + 7
Switch to last active instance of Powershell, iterate through all open windows using Z-order.

SHFT + Win + 7
Open a new instance of Powershell.

CTRL + SHFT + Win + 7
Run new instance of Powershell as an Administrator.

Some things I'm noticing:
Switching user accounts causes some of my Explorer windows to roll up like this:

Edit:
More on #3:

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 06:10:09 Z

An option to flush the "recent" or "frequent" items in the jumplists would be much appreciated.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 06:10:16 Z

I’d also like to express some thoughts about win7.

There are many good improvements. The look in general is nicer than that in Vista; I like the new Start menu, where many programs can have their own MRU lists; icons on the taskbar can be freely moved; And, of course, it’s faster than Vista.

But, unfortunately, the general impression is rather disappointing. These are the things I don’t like:

- Sleep mode is broken. By default it even grayed in the menu, but if I still use it (e.g. automatically by timeout, or by pressing ‘Sleep’ button on the keyboard) it tries to sleep, and then automatically reboots. The same with hibernate. Not only I have this problem, you can find in the internet other messages about it. Some people suggest turning off ‘Allow this device to wake up computer’ option in the network card settings, but for me, it did not help. (Needless to say, in XP/Vista on the same machine all worked fine).

- Drivers of my video card (ATI 9250) were completely removed, even from Microsoft’s server. Well, I agree, it’s quite an old card, but it was supported in Vista. But now, only “VGA compatible card” driver installed. Well, I downloaded drivers from the ATI site, but now every time I shut down or reboot the system BSOD appears.

- The new behavior of icons in the tray. In XP/Vista, a new installed program could place there its icon, and if you didn’t need it you could hide it. But now they’re hidden by default and you have to manually show them. But in order to do this I have to know that there is an icon. So, every time after installing a program I have to open the tray and see? Is this considered as convenience?

- The network icon in the tray. What was wrong with the previous icon, with two monitors blinking indicating the data transfer? It was convenient, but the current icon is simply useless. It shows nothing.

- When I press right mouse button on the Start menu, it doesn’t show the usual menu anymore. Only two items: Properties and Libraries. But how am I supposed to manually add programs there? (you know, there are programs not having installers, so you have to manually unpack them and add a shortcut in the Start menu). Was it done intentionally? Why? What RMB on Start menu has to do with libraries?

- The new model of grouping icons on the taskbar is an interesting one, still I’d prefer it were optional. For me, the old model was more convenient.

In general, I think Vista is even better. At least, the first two entries in this my list prevent me from normally using Win7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 06:50:30 Z

I'm using a LCD monitor and I have no problems with it. And dont see many other ppl complaining about this. Altough the hovering color may be a bit too discreet.
My suggestion :
- try ajusting your LCD settings or try on another model of LCD
- visit the optician.

I am running a new Dell Laptop and the colour is amazing for everything and the screen is optimized to the printers for Adobe products so I know the colour is as it should be.

However, I went to my friends house today and they have a brand new PC and again brilliant monitor and the blue is still as pale as ever.

Try it in Regedit. It disappears COMPLETELY and makes it almost impossible to see what key is open.

Maybe others just don't do as much file manipulation as I do.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 07:00:39 Z

You guys seem to be using the terms Restore Point and Shadow Copy synonymously.

When I search Vista Help & Support for these terms, they don't seem connected at all.

No they are not the same. We are actually talking about Previous Versions/Shadow Copies which are the same. All versions of Windows have System Restore. Currently only Servers have Shadow Copies which gives the "Previous Versions" tab that someone was mentioning. Apparently that is also offered in Ultimate. I have never seen Vista Ultimate.

Cheers,
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 08:30:11 Z

Fully aware of that gpedit trick, but my point is it shouldn't be hidden in there. What I propose is in that mock up pict I posted above.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 08:46:31 Z

At initial setup, if you boot with a USB stick attached containing RAID/AHCI drivers, at the point where you create and select the install partition you receive the error:

"Setup was unable to create a system partition or locate an existing partition."

Here's what I had the first time I tried to install Win7 RC:

Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD
Boot device 3 = USB stick with ICH10R AHCI drivers

Setup starts fine, you can load the drivers, it lets you choose a partition but then says "unable to create system partition".

The solution for me was as follows:

1) Do not have USB stick plugged in when booting, so only:
Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD

2) At the setup page which says you can load other drivers, insert the USB stick, click the link and load the drivers

3) Unplug the USB stick

4) Continue with setup

If you search you'll find quite a few references to this problem. Somethings wrong with the app to select the install partition if it's getting confused between what you have selected and an unrelated action to load drivers from a different device.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 11:35:21 Z

- Drivers of my video card (ATI 9250) were completely removed, even from Microsoft’s server. Well, I agree, it’s quite an old card, but it was supported in Vista. But now, only "VGA compatible card" driver installed. Well, I downloaded drivers from the ATI site, but now every time I shut down or reboot the system BSOD appears.

If I remember correcly AMD stated they were not supporting cards older than the HD2000 series for Windows 7 a month or two back. And, according to Wikipedia:　

This series of Radeon graphics cards is supported by AMD under

Microsoft Windows operating systems including Windows XP (except x64), Windows 2000, Windows Me, and Windows 98. Other operating systems may have support in the form of a generic driver that lacks complete support for the hardware. Driver development for the R200 line ended with the Catalyst 6.11 drivers for Windows XP.　

If the quote is correct, AMD put this chip to rest even before Vista was released. Were the drivers you installed the 9550 series drivers? It might be the fact that you are using an R300 series card causing your bluescreens. :-(

- The new behavior of icons in the tray. In XP/Vista, a new installed program could place there its icon, and if you didn’t need it you could hide it. But now they’re hidden by default and you have to manually show them. But in order to do this I have to know that there is an icon. So, every time after installing a program I have to open the tray and see? Is this considered as convenience?

From my own experience, new notification icons are usually shown when they are created. Whether they are hidden by the OS soon after I do not know, I usually hide them immediately myself.

- When I press right mouse button on the Start menu, it doesn’t show the usual menu anymore. ... What RMB on Start menu has to do with libraries?

1) RMB on the "All Programs" button. You can also type "shell:start menu" to access the start menu folder from either Instant Search or the Address Bar. Use "shell:common start menu" to access Start Menu All Users.

2) Nothing specifically, but notice the text label. It reads as "Open Windows Explorer." It does just that.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 11:56:22 Z

- If the quote is correct, AMD put this chip to rest even before Vista was released.

Maybe. Anyhow, it worked in Vista. Did not support Aero, but worked. And the driver was installed automatically.

- Were the drivers you installed the 9550 series drivers?

No, for 9250. But for XP.

- From my own experience, new notification icons are usually shown when they are created.

Only when they have some message. Otherwise they're hidden.

- RMB on the "All Programs" button.

Hmm, indeed. Thanks, I haven't noticed this.

- Nothing specifically, but notice the text label. It reads as "Open Windows Explorer. " It does just that.

For me, "Open Windows Explorer " is what Win-E does: open Explorer on "computer". And, in any case, if open my folder, I'd prefer it to open c:\users\username \, not only Libraries.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 12:10:46 Z

This is for all.....try this line.....there are a lot of goodies here for windows 7:

http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!4572.entry?wa=wsignin1.0&sa=721227328

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 13:40:31 Z

A quick comment to Microsoft...

Please stop taking to heart those "Hi, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC" commercials so much!  You DON'T want to make Windows into OSX! The grass is NOT greener on the other side!

In other words, please stop "dumbing down" the system!

If you want the system to be more usable, that's a great idea. Just keep in mind there are people who need to do real work with it, and that SOME parts of it might just still have to remain a bit "geeky" for that to be possible!

For example, I can no longer deterministically see the seconds or milliseconds value of a file modification date no matter what I try in Explorer. Is "3 minutes ago" in the file Properties dialog REALLY easier to use than "5/18/2009 9:19:45"? Are you saying the majority of your customers are too stupid to know that 9:22 is 3 minutes later? And what would be the REAL problem with "5/18/2009 9:19:45.1234"? Leave the hours:minutes in the main displays for simplicity, but don't remove the ability to see the actual details from the Details view!!!!

And is it really easier to use a system with a network icon that doesn't show when there's network activity?

For God's sake at least leave in options where we can turn on the good stuff and back off the "duh"!

If you keep adding more "Duh" and removing "To Work" options, you will lose customers.

Even all the kids who use Windows for entertainment are going to grow up and get jobs where they need to use Windows for real work.

Clearly your Marketing people are driving many of these boneheaded UI changes...

Suggestion for Microsoft Project Engineering Leaders:   Talk to your senior software developers - i.e., people trying to use Windows to get real work done. Assuming they aren't using XP or 3rd party apps to get their work done, actually ASK them about each UI change and LISTEN to what they have to say. And please push back against the Marketing folks when the changes don't make sense.

Thank you.

-Noel

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 14:22:49 Z

Please stop taking to heart those "Hi, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC " commercials so much! You DON'T want to make Windows into OSX! The grass is NOT greener on the other side!

In other words, please stop "dumbing down" the system!

If you want the system to be more usable, that's a great idea. Just keep in mind there are people who need to do real work with it, and that SOME parts of it might just still have to remain a bit "geeky" for that to be possible!

For example, I can no longer deterministically see the seconds or milliseconds value of a file modification date no matter what I try in Explorer. Is "3 minutes ago" in the file Properties dialog REALLY easier to use than "5/18/2009 9:19:45"? Are you saying the majority of your customers are too stupid to know that 9:22 is 3 minutes later? And what would be the REAL problem with "5/18/2009 9:19:45.1234"? Leave the hours:minutes in the main displays for simplicity, but don't remove the ability to see the actual details from the Details view!!!!

And is it really easier to use a system with a network icon that doesn't show when there's network activity?

For God's sake at least leave in options where we can turn on the good stuff and back off the "duh"!

If you keep adding more "Duh" and removing "To Work" options, you will lose customers.

Even all the kids who use Windows for entertainment are going to grow up and get jobs where they need to use Windows for real work.

Thank you.

-Noel

Exactly my feelings. 100% agreed. If I like MAC ad, or If I want a MAC, I buy a MAC. (or a network device, they all have MAC´s ad.. ok, bad joke, sorry.)

But, I like windows, and I would not like to see it turned into a mac copy.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 14:50:08 Z

You guys seem to be using the terms Restore Point and Shadow Copy synonymously.

When I search Vista Help & Support for these terms, they don't seem connected at all.

No they are not the same. We are actually talking about Previous Versions/Shadow Copies which are the same. All versions of Windows have System Restore. Currently only Servers have Shadow Copies which gives the "Previous Versions" tab that someone was mentioning. Apparently that is also offered in Ultimate. I have never seen Vista Ultimate.

Cheers,
Lara
lforbes

Previous Versions/Shadow Copy is a feature of Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate and is of all Windows 7 versions above Home Premium. If you installed the Ultimate RC then it is available on your machine. The connection to System Restore is that it makes shadow copies when it creates restore points (at whatever interval you have set). You do not, however, use System Restore to recover a lost or changed file. You just go to the folder in Windows Explorer, right click, choose Restore Previous Versions, pick the date/time, and then just copy the file as you would from any other folder. It is a great feature that I have used on a few occasions in Vista after inintentionally deleting something, or using a document as a template for a new one and then hitting Save instead of Save As. I just used Restore Previous Versions and copied to deleted (or orginal) file back - took under 15 seconds. I've tested it in Windows 7 - same feature as Vista and same benefits....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 15:04:51 Z

An option to flush the "recent" or "frequent" items in the jumplists would be much appreciated.

I absolutely agree on this one. I really like the jumplist feature but it uses some utility when it becomes filled with the dozens of files I will open once. As a business person who would like to be able to have a client sit next to me (or look at a projection screen) at times, and it is more than a bit awkward to have the jumplist include a file name that is obviously a bid with a competitor. Having to right click each file individually to remove is rather inefficient. In addition, it has a flaw with respect to Internet Explorer (at least on my machine). The "frequent" list is seldom comprised of the actual most frequent locations. If I open Internet Explorer a few times (never going to the ones on the list), the list will update to other old sites, not to the ones I have just been visiting. Still a good feature that I already use all the time but it does have a few quirks....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 15:38:04 Z

Game performance is good in windows 7 (a little slower then XP, yet nothing you can really see), yet, Media Center seems to be slow when you press the green main menu bubble while watching a video. It will show the menu with the video in the background, slowing windows Media Center down. Also, when playing music, when the "moving wall" thing happens, seems to be slow. Other then that, Windows Media Center is great!

PowerPoint: This is a big problem. I turn on Direct X support. The graphics seems to be ALOT slower then on windows vista or XP. For example, when I am fading between slides, it is really choppy and slow, and yes, even with Direct X Support.

ITunes: The visuals seems to be slow when running in full screen.

Windows Aero: A little slower then in Vista, not by much.

So really, it is just visuals on programs other then games. Not sure what it is. I have a Nvidia 6150 internal (which is enough to run vista and windows 7) (512mb of VRAM)

This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.

Overall, very fast OS. Just needs to work on graphics, and this will rock my socks!!!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:11 Z

System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization.

I was fooling around with system tray customization and selected the option to "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar".

I then wanted to change it back to hide the icons and it took me around 5 minutes of clicking to get back to the customization options. Apparently you have to right click a very, very, teeny tiny portion of the system tray to access the customization options if you currently have "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" checked.

You need to add the system tray arrow back if "always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" is checked otherwise its very hard to get back to the customization screen.

A second point is I love the way Vista handles the system tray. It will show a few icons and then clicking on the < button will show the rest of the icons.

So if I install a new program I can quickly see if it installs something to the system tray that I can then turn off. Now in Windows 7 I have to click the arrow every time.

New users to using computers probably would never even learn that some programs install icons to the system tray that they can turn off because they will never click the system tray button.

Vista had the system tray perfect.

Seems that MS is hiding ALL system tray icons except network to hide the fact that a lot of 3rd party software install programs that run in the system tray when it really doesn't need to (Apple Quicktime anyone?).

Like a user mentioned above this seems to be one of those changes demanded by the marketing department. "I don't like having all the icons showing in the system tray. I don't want to learn how remove them so the programs are not always running in the background. So lets just hide them."

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 15:50:33 Z

System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization....

Not trying to be rude but am I missing something here? The Vista style "Show Hidden Icons" option on both my machines is just where it is in Vista. As far as turning on and off (and back again), if I right click on the System Tray and choose "Customize Notification Icons" I am there in one click....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 16:28:03 Z

Agreed. Also, in VISTA, gpedit is not available for Home Premium. If this is the case for Win 7, this cannot be applied.

To me, the best solution is not to accept automatic updates. I have my update notification set to "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them". In this way, if I am in the middle of something, the automatic reboot will not occur until I choose to install the updates. This is best for other reasons - I often do not want to download and install driver for my hardware - I refer to get them directly for the hardware company's web site directly.

Windows 7 beta dual booting with VISTA Home Premium 2 GB memory 160 HD Gateway Laptop HP Officejet 6310 All-in One inkjet printer Verizon FIOS Internet Connection

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 18:41:36 Z

Wasn't Sure where to put this, The following breaks down the past expiences with windows 7 rc as I remember

#1 The first day I installed Windows 7 everything was cool then finally got the test updates and some real updates installed I proceeded to install apps and other software I thought I might need or use Nothing really wrong on day 1

Day 2: Superfetch service started Not starting up on start ups or it would shut down or get disabled by an unknown source still sorting this one out

Ah Day 3 I installed the largest 2 of my suite of software Microsoft flight sim x and Pinnacle studio 11 Ultimate
in MSX I flew from Michigan to Hawii ussually 9hrs in Vista this trip on the sim would crash 1hr in Windows 7 no issues I went the whole 9hrs no issue I was tired I shut down and went to bed

day 4 fired up under 10 seconds hit the desktop I'm like Holy S____t then edited video project in studio for 4hrs straight No issues

Other issues:

Audio Service slow starts trips a red x error service did not start properily turns out to be false because there is sound (Audio Card is an Audigy 2EX Platium driver provided by windows update)

SuperFetch does not start or shuts down (noticable symphom computer slows to a crawl) Ram use jumps from 500mbs to 600mbs use to 700mbs to 800mbs used Superfetch turns offor does not start Note: Performance trouble shooter will detect and resolve the issue and restart superfetch. few hours later super fetch turns off.

User file directory issues Since vista Microsoft has changed My documents My pictures My Music My videos to just Documents Music Pictures & Videos Well I move these files to E:\Documents but a exsisting dbx thumbnail file tells the OS it's My documents and the same for the others It creates a mess double folders generate
It creates a mess I end up defaulting the folders and going into my e drive and fixing renaming the folders to what the system is looking for and not was there from previous OSes

IE 8 long term causes a Memory over run some times crashing the system or bringing it to a hault windows 7 pretty good at catching the issue but not all the time.

Media center nothing wrong just 2 processes duking it out on my network creating connection issues and bandwidth EHShell and the svchost go nuts when Media center open you can watch the show either in the network tuning in Media center or in the windows 7 resources monitor under network both processes start accessing the network at 100% Messing up my xbox 360 online gaming or causing a slow Media extender experience
Using a tweak I was shown on windows vista fixed the issue switching the services from automatic to manual in the windows 7 services fixes this network usage returns to normal
Media center still runs Quieter too.

Over all everything works accept for reported posted issues others have posted.

I think Microsoft nails these issues Windows 7 Might knock xp out of the Perfect OS of all time

Posted By Mikro

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 19:49:13 Z

shutdow confirmation is gone, I am so thankful some of the "are you sure" items are gone. If I click shutdown, do it.

TOTALLY AGREE

if want to shutdown please DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm 25 years old and i know what i'm doing with my work equipments.
time is money so
keep the way you did in win 7

turn off? done.
no confirmations.

thanks

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 19:50:51 Z

System Tray always needs to have the arrow button available to click to bring up system tray customization....

No trying to be rude but am I missing something here? The Vista style "Show Hidden Icons" option on both my machines is just where it is in Vista. As far as turning on and off (and back again), if I right click on the System Tray and choose "Customize Notification Icons" I am there in one click....

Stephen

It is if you don't have the option "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" selected. If you have it selected then the button disappears.

Try this:

1) In Windows 7, click the the system tray button "Show hidden icons".
2) Select customize from the pop-up window.
3) On the bottom left of the screen put a check mark in the box "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar".
4) Click the OK button

Now all the icons are showing in the system tray. The problem is what if you want to go back and now hide the icons in the system tray. How do you get back to the system customization screen since the arrow button is no longer there?

MS needs to change it so that the arrow button will always be there in the system tray so that you can access the customization screen. I think they remove the button because its titled "Show hidden icons". Well if you are showing all the icons there won't be any hidden icons. They probably should then rename the arrow button to "System Tray Customization". Can't rename it to "Hide all icons" because you might just be pressing the button to change the behaviour of some of the icons. So I would just rename the arrow button to "Properties" just like it is named in Vista when you highlight the system tray arrow button with the mouse.

2) My second point has to do with that in Windows Vista a few icons will always be shown in the system tray. In Windows 7 the only icon that will be shown is just the network icon unless you select "Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar". I like the way Vista handles icons in the system tray because if I install a new program and that program installs an icon to the system tray (meaning there is a program running in the background) I will see it right away. In Windows 7 I will always have to click the "Show hidden icons" button to see if a new program installs a program that runs in the background. Sure its only 1 click, but in Vista I don't have to click at all. I don't see the need for the change.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 20:37:53 Z

I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 20:53:09 Z

Windows Media Center should sort music within compilation albums, such as movie soundtracks, based on the individual artist and not the album artist when browsing your music by "Artist"

There are 2 tags in a MP3 file for defining the music artist. There is "Artist" and "Album Artist".

When sorting through your music collection by the category "Artist" the albums by an individual artist are correctly sorted on the tag "Album Artist".

However, music in a compilation album is still being sorted on "Album Artist" instead of "Artist".

Example:

I have the soundtrack for the movie "Transformers"

I label the tag "Album Artist" with the string "Various Artists" for each of the mp3 tracks within that album.

I label the tag "Artist" with the name of the artist for that specific MP3 track.

Track 1 is tagged as: "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Linkin Park"; "Title = What I've Done" "Album = Transformers: The Movie"
Track 2 is tagged as: "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Smashing Pumpkins"; "Title = Dooms Day Clock" "Album = Transformers: The Movie"
Track 3 is tagged as: "Album Artist = Various Artists"; "Artist = Disturbed"; "Title = This Moment" "Album = Transformers: The Movie"

And then in Windows Media Player when I sort based on Artist I should see an artist entry for:
Linkin Park
Smashing Pumpkins
Disturbed

But, instead of seeing the artist listed individually they are all listed under the artist "Various Artists".

There should be some program logic that if the tag "Album Artist = Various Artists" then Windows Media Player should then sort that album via the tag "Artist".

There is no perfect solution for what string of text to use for "Album Artist" for compilation albums, but the string "Various Artists" seems to be the most commonly used value.

And no, you cannot just change the value in the tag "Album Artist" to the individual artist because then when you browse your music collection by album you will see multiple entries for the same album.

I know this can be done because the 3rd party software MediaMonkey will list songs in compilation albums by the individual artist when you browse your music collection using the MediaMonkey library and browse under "Artist & Album Artist".

And please make this change to the Zune software for Windows as well. The Zune software for Windows is great except for this one attribute.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 20:54:48 Z

How about a slider in Media Player that lets you adjust the size of the album art thumbnails. If Apple iTunes can do it then so can Windows Media Player. And please add a size slider to the Zune Windows software as well.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 21:20:43 Z

After extensive testing for 2 weeks and comparing with OSX's dock, here is how I like the new taskbar.
I like the new taskbar a lot. In terns of functionality it is as good as OSX's dock and even better. But it becomes quite crowded sooner than you'd think. I wish it had some autoresize and autoscroll option. Once you have so many appz pinned, it is a pain in the .. to scroll to the next set of icons and return back. If they can implement something like an autoscroll functionality (consider the taskbar as a continous stripe, with both ends attached to each other, as the user approaches on end, the icons start to scroll, like a conveyer belt :-) Scroll direction can simply be determined from the mouse's movement direction, user can scroll back and forth effortleslly without the need to click anyting) it would be really cool and simple and usefull and fast and intuitive :-) I hate to use small icons just because I pinned three more appz than the taskbar could accomodate with large icons.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 21:25:05 Z

Now all the icons are showing in the system tray. The problem is what if you want to go back and now hide the icons in the system tray. How do you get back to the system customization screen since the arrow button is no longer there?

Man, what's your problem ?
You cant get back to the customization screen at all, or you cant get back the same quick way ?
Probably MS didnt think people really need to change this so often (and I dont think too), so they said , its easy to do right click taskbar -> properties -> notification area / customize notification icon .

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 21:26:47 Z

RMB the Taskbar, select "Properties", then "Customize..." in the Notification Area groupbox. Or type "noti" into the Start Menu, but I know that's not for everyone.

In response to 2) (the second one...):

Drag the icon out of the notification box or select the appropriate option from the Notification Area Icons applet. And the problem with the old model is that it interfered with items on the taskband if it was full enough, or if the user had enough notification icons. This is very annoying for people who've bought laptops through vendors that are filled with junk apps but don't know they can delete them. I'm sure you've seen XP/Vista desktops where the notifications cover 1/3~1/2 the taskbar. Not only is it a problem if they go unremoved but even if they are hidden, expanding the notification area will likely wind up compressing the taskbar area. Even if it is only momentary, it is annoying.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 21:50:13 Z

There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar. That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

I would like to see the old Advanced Search options return that you could get in Vista. I don't know why they were taken out. It used to be extremely helpful to just use a shortcut pointing to search:ms, which would take the user directly to those Advanced Search options.

Totally agree with these two points. It was actually faster for me to use the old Advanced Search method. It made more sense.

Aside from the other issues I'm having with the RC over the beta, everything else is ok. Just hoping Microsoft fixes the issues in the RC that weren't present in the beta for me.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 22:15:15 Z

I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.

110% Agreed!

Heaven forbid you are using Windows in a work environment and you are working on a server and accidentally click Shutdown.

Or even worse, you are remotely logged into a server and accidentally hit Shutdown. Now you have to walk to the server room and turn the server back on while throngs of people curse you out.

Or even worse than that you are remotely logged into a server, accidentally hit shutdown and you don't have access to the server room and its after hours and there is no one available to turn the computer back on for you so you have to call the after hours support person who now has to drive back to the office to turn on the computer. OOPS!

MS really needs to have a pop-up window appear after clicking shutdown that gives you an option to either "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now". And then add a timer so that if "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now" are not clicked the computer will shutdown on its own. Hey, its 5pm at work, you click Shutdown, forget to click "Shutdown Now" not a problem because the computer will still shutdown after a period of time.

I know a lot of people don't like having to click "Shutdown" and then a confirmation to shutdown, but MS has to remember that their operating system is used both at home and in a work environment and accidentally shutting down a computer in the work environment can have serious consequences. MS could always add an option to disable the shutdown confirmation, but by default "shutdown" should always require a confirmation.

Not because grandma at home may accidentally shutdown her computer when browsing family photos, but because you are at work remotely logged into a server and instead of clicking the arrow next to "Shutdown" so that you can select Logoff, you accidentally hit "Shutdown".

Okay now lets be realistic about this or at least check out the feature before making a statement on the subject. If anyone else is logged on to the system you are shutting down, it gives you a warning and asks that you confirm. If you have any apps open with unsaved work, it gives you a warning as well. I've tried both to verify since we are, indeed testing a new OS. Yes, they changed the function but they didn't just make it the equivalent of pulling a trigger on a gun. Please try it before just making statements that really aren't an accurate reflection of how it works. If you don't like the way it now works then say so, but don't just create hypothetical scenarios that have no bearing in reality....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 22:21:14 Z

Stack By!!! Put back stack by. I really hope the devs just took it out for the RC to work on it, instead of removing it permanently.

Library is so limited compared to just a regular folder view. Instead of being able to stack by any metadata, I can only stack a very limited and preset of properties...What if i want to stack music by composer instead of artist? a picture by camera modeL?

Aside from the lack of "stack by", there is no rightclick->"group by" option from a *search* performed in a library, like there is with a search performed in a regular folder..inconsistencies..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 22:36:22 Z

yeah you're entirely right,
i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 23:10:26 Z

yeah you're entirely right,
i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.

That is very interesting. I just re-ran my original tests. I opened a Word document and made some changes and then hit shut down. I was immediately prompted to save my changes and (when I did nothing) then was presented with a black screen warning me that there was an open document, with the option to cancel or force shut down. That sure seems sufficient to me. I then started a large download and hit shut down. This (again) resulted in the black screen with the warning regarding the open application. While I would suggest that the timeout before it automatically shuts down should be longer, it again did not just shut down. When I get home, I will log my other computer onto this laptop but I think it is a given that I will (again) get the old fashioned message I got the first time that someone is still logged on and that proceeding will disconnect them.

They did not make the function stupid - they just made it faster. I will take the new system over the energy waste on XP systems sitting with a greyed screen asking what to do (after the user has left for the day). That one I really have addressed more times than I would care to remember in more than one office....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 23:14:02 Z

I kind of miss the shutdown confirmation thing at time from Windows XP. I wish they would put tat back it, expecially since the power button for my notebook pc is on the left of the machine instead of right above the keyboard, like it is on most notebooks, damn my tc4400 tablet PC. i only want that option back, so that if i accdentally push the power button the PC will start to shut down. I only think it would be nice to have that feaure for those who want it, besides i do not want to keep the default action for the power button at "nothing". that really bothers me. Besides if microsoft puts the feature back in they can disable it by default and have a different action as the default. andsadly i dislike certain Windows 7 defaults, but only because I am an advanced PC user.

110% Agreed!

Heaven forbid you are using Windows in a work environment and you are working on a server and accidentally click Shutdown.

Or even worse, you are remotely logged into a server and accidentally hit Shutdown. Now you have to walk to the server room and turn the server back on while throngs of people curse you out.

Or even worse than that you are remotely logged into a server, accidentally hit shutdown and you don't have access to the server room and its after hours and there is no one available to turn the computer back on for you so you have to call the after hours support person who now has to drive back to the office to turn on the computer. OOPS!

MS really needs to have a pop-up window appear after clicking shutdown that gives you an option to either "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now". And then add a timer so that if "Cancel" or "Shutdown Now" are not clicked the computer will shutdown on its own. Hey, its 5pm at work, you click Shutdown, forget to click "Shutdown Now" not a problem because the computer will still shutdown after a period of time.

I know a lot of people don't like having to click "Shutdown" and then a confirmation to shutdown, but MS has to remember that their operating system is used both at home and in a work environment and accidentally shutting down a computer in the work environment can have serious consequences. MS could always add an option to disable the shutdown confirmation, but by default "shutdown" should always require a confirmation.

Not because grandma at home may accidentally shutdown her computer when browsing family photos, but because you are at work remotely logged into a server and instead of clicking the arrow next to "Shutdown" so that you can select Logoff, you accidentally hit "Shutdown".

Okay now lets be realistic about this or at least check out the feature before making a statement on the subject. If anyone else is logged on to the system you are shutting down, it gives you a warning and asks that you confirm. If you have any apps open with unsaved work, it gives you a warning as well. I've tried both to verify since we are, indeed testing a new OS. Yes, they changed the function but they didn't just make it the equivalent of pulling a trigger on a gun. Please try it before just making statements that really aren't an accurate reflection of how it works. If you don't like the way it now works then say so, but don't just create hypothetical scenarios that have no bearing in reality....

Stephen

You got me.

I did not test correctly. That scenario cannot happen.

Though there is the scenario that poor win7pwns123 ran across (2 messages after this). Lost his download the poor guy.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 23:20:20 Z

yeah you're entirely right,
i accidentaly shut down halfway during a large download and i had to start all over again.

damn that sucks. at least that has never happened to me yet. In Vista and Windows 7, i just set it so that the power button does nothing while pressed. Other than that, you can just hold it down for 6-7 seconds and it will force a shutdown. but thats just crashing the system and should only be done in case of an emergency... I only to shutdown the PC like that when the PC completely freezes up. oddly the PC has down that once or twice under Vista and three or four times under Windows 7 Beta 1 build 7000.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 23:38:22 Z

Just a couple comments from an old fogie.

First, I think there is too much space between the buttons on the Quick Launch task bar. On WinXPSP3 they was much less empty space which made for a more compact taskbar.

Second, while having the "Show Desktop" button as a standard button on the taskbar now, it would help gretly if it were flagged or had an icon. I stumpled across the button, on the far, far right of the taskbar, by accident.

Third, I'm not too wild about the up triangle used to Show Hidden Icons. The action flag is a good addition, however.

Fourth, I got so used to using Windows-U-U to shut down my computers, I get frustrated it can't be used anymore. Using that combo was especially nice when I shut ff my computer at night. I new where the keys were and didn't need to turn on the room lights.

Fifth, and really, REALLY picky, is I hate the new version of Solitaire. I couldn't care less about my win loss average or how many games I've played. I hate the halo effect, which is just one more example of a programmer with far too much time on his hands and no idea of what the user really wants. I also hate the automatic card exposing. It's really distracting.

Sixth, I hope Microsoft will realize that although some 64 bit apps do exist, they are still not the norm, even after the first 64 bit chips and OS have been around for years, decades even. Although only my 6 year old flat bed scanner won't work, and Canon refuses to update the drivers) there are probably beaucoup items that will need WinXP emulation to work correctly. Let's hope they can get this part to work by October.

Für Elise - Support the Heart & Breast Cancer Foundations.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 18 May 2009 23:38:28 Z

Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 02:42:47 Z

Oh My god guys I just installed an oldie but a goodie Mech Warrior 4 vengeance on windows 7 simply amazing with the old game no issues installing it or getting it to run on 7 even esc and go directily to desktop from a mission like that nothing simply closed the game and return to the desktop

another thing I had it installed on windows vista. it fought me every inch of the way install issues iperformance issues it sucked but Mechwarrior granted I shut all the background apps to get the most out of it but my god the game played so nice

PS windows 7 is really showing how bad vista was even though I didn't have a lot of issues my 3 things is games MS flight sim x and Mechwarrior and video editing all ran perfect no issues I'm going back into Mechwarrior now and play through the campaign buh bye

Posted By Mikro

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 03:47:05 Z

I migrated from Vista to RC on my Sony laptop FS415B, but the touchpad driver loaded was the wrong one. Instead of loading the working driver from the Vista config, RC loaded a different driver. The result was that there was no way to control clicking/tapping, which soon drove me nuts. So, I loaded the Vista driver which is the Alps touchpad driver 7.0.301.4, which works perfectly.

Otherwise everything is great, and the graphics work better than Vista. Well done!

Andy Clark

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 03:50:56 Z

I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista. I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy. I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 03:58:36 Z

There is no way to pin the Recycle Bin to the Taskbar. That's possible in Vista, and desirable in Windows 7, because it gives the user a quick way to empty the Recycle Bin without having to minimize any currently open windows.

Agreed, That would be very nice. That was always a feature I liked in Ubuntu or other Linux distributions was the ability to drag a file down the to taskbar and not have to worry about minimizing anything over the icon.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 04:17:27 Z

I noticed a small yet annoying bug. I was playing Mahjong Titans in full-screen through Windows Media Center's Extras category. I lost the game and clicked "End Game" to exit the game and go back to the Extras menu. The game closed and the menu came up, but the full-screen was not on my whole screen. It was translated to the lower-right 3/4 of the screen, so some of WMC was not visible including the minimize, restore, and close buttons.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 05:56:38 Z

Tiny bugs needing fixes in Windows 7. For my test machine I decided to try something different, I'm running a Toshiba Satellite series laptop with an AMD Turion 64 motherboard. I'm currently running the 32 bit version of RC as I felt that it would be the more popular version upon release but have considered installing a copy of the 64 bit version on one of my other Hard Drives. I had 4 gigs of ram installed but I switched it down to a 2 gig chip as it better reflects the computers currently on the market.
    ATI has some minor compatibility errors with Win 7 but that's mostly due to the Catalyst control center being designed for Vista. A new software program is probably on it's way from ATI.
     I don't believe there would be any difference between running it with a 500 gig HD or if I used the original 320 gig, but I did notice that the Windows performance rating dropped from a 5.0 to a 2.0 after the clean boot intallation of Windows 7 RC on the 500gig. Strangely enough, I had the 500 gig loaded with junk while running Vista and 7 Beta on it and it pulled a 5.0, but being completely clean and reformatted (and only 8 months old) it dropped to a 2.0! Me thinks the performance rating is based on what the newest most expensive product is... Like saying that my 92 Dodge isn't as good as if I upgraded to a New Nissan Titan. Great selling point but not really true. I can't even fill up the 160 gig that's in my old emachine laptop!
     Here's a few generic comments on other things.
    Like Vista, there's an incompatability problem with older Win programs. The most irritating is the "unreadable word document." I have old word docs going back to windows 95 (transferred from computer to computer over the years) and there is not one program that can open a microsoft word document from Win 95, 98 or ME properly in the current or previous OS. Strangely, my secondary OS (Linux) has a program that opens them fine without any formatting glitches or errors.
     Speaking of OS, I've tried running Linux alongside Win 7 both as an installation on the primary drive and on a boot drive. No problems at all... except when shutting down and rebooting Win 7.
     Initially there were connection problems with my wireless router as Win 7 did not want to join the internet crowd and stayed in local access mode until forced to, but a quick download of linksys software eliminated that little problem. The Windows connection center no longer makes the connection but still monitors the network in it's simple way. Network magic is so much better and works just fine with Win 7.
     I still miss the simple but easy to use "searching Dog" from Windows XP. The search on the start menu in Vista and Win 7 is fine but it lacks easily accessable search refinement and simple interaction. (Tested and complained about by my 13 year old daughter.)
     Internet Explorer lockups!!!! Oy Vey! Flash player has locked, Adobe movie has locked, IE has locked, shut down or restarted so many times I gave up on documenting them. Even did it three times while loading my little avatar picture for this forum! Downloads have failed... and on and on. the neatest one is whenever I right click to save an image from a webpage it pops up a window that says:
   "Pictures.library-ms is no longer working. This Library can be safely deleted from your computer. Folders that have been included will not be affected."
You click OK and the box appears again, then you click ok again and then you can save the picture.
I'm not even sure what that's all about! Since I rarely save pics from web pages it doesn't bug me too much but I can see where it could get irritating.
     Firefox works fine as an internet browser on Win 7. Actually Firefox is superior to IE because it actually works! I don't know if its all the added bits that IE has that screws it up or if it's just buggy in design, but I have resorted to using firefox whenever I'm going to an important webpage as the lockups can get very irritating very fast.
     We'll see what the next few weeks brings!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 07:06:19 Z

Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......

I wish people would just acknowledge that they just don't like the Vista/Windows 7 shutdown approach and move on. One can complain if one likes, but creating scenarios that range for the illogical to the impossible is just silly and dragging out what is actually a non-argument.. As to accidentally "shutting down your server," last I checked this is a Windows 7 forum not a Server 2008 forum. How can you accidentally shut down your server from within a Windows 7 client? If you ignore that one, you get to "I am going to lose all my data" but that doesn't hold up since the app should prompt you to save and the OS will tell you that you have an open app. Even with the somewhat more realistic "I lost my download," if you accidentally hit the button/command, were you still not sitting there to see the black screen and warning for a few seconds? Granted, for this one they should stretch the time-out but that just a fix of the existing feature (not a re-design) Of course, if it is such a crisis, just change the function of the button to do nothing. It is not even a new feature (just new to XP users) and the world hasn't been in crisis with lost data, shut down servers, and missing files for the past couple years.

Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy to those who are so involved in this from the XP end. I actually do sympathize with the fact that you struggle with (or don't like) the feature - I don't agree but do sympathize. I am sure that someone can design a little app (or hack) so that it will do what you want. Please make it about your dislike of the feature though, not about unrealistic disaster scenarios and elaborate rationalizations. I could come on here and say that if you press the power button your computer will self-destruct, or that it will turn into a toaster or a Mac (pretty much the same thing from my perspective) and it would be based in just about the same level of reality....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 07:12:39 Z

annoyed that windows mobile device centre still isn't working for my omnia with windows mobile on it , I have had to install the vista version of sync centre in order to get my calendar syncing with outlook :!

windows search when it works is excellent but seems a bit sluggish and hard to reset to defaults if you dare refine the search paramaters ?

otherwise all good so far :)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 07:38:53 Z

I feel obliged to direct this comment at all those chiming in that "they don't listen"...
These sorts of comments really are annoying, untrue, and wholly non-constructive.

Stehen

Then don't use it.

Stephen

Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy

Stephen

Ok Mac Davis, whatever you say.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 08:45:14 Z

Please bring back the toolbar in the taskbar for windows media player 12 when minimized (like in media player 11) . The mouseover control are not sufficient and slow in response.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 09:09:11 Z

I'd like to see the Vista calendar app improved on added to Win7. It has its flaws, but it's small and handy. I don't want to keep a multi-function memory hog open just for a few appointment reminders, nor to I want to maintain an online calender. For now I'll have to revert back to the Mozilla Sunbird calender.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 09:17:10 Z

Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 09:34:46 Z

Very much agree. Make the built in windows calendar able to add appointements and birthdays with a built in reminder and alarm! That would rock and improve productivity so much.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 09:45:20 Z

Add support for .bin and .iso files.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 09:47:03 Z

when right-click -> play all in wmp12, make it so that it dosent maximize the now playing window and does it in the background.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:29:39 Z

Please bring back the toolbar in the taskbar for windows media player 12 when minimized (like in media player 11) . The mouseover control are not sufficient and slow in response.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:33:53 Z

Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !

While I am not sold on the new office interface, I have adapted to the new W7 interface and am twice as quick. What I am perceiving here is a reluctance for certain individuals to learn new tricks.

Please, clear the slate and come at W7 with a fresh perspective. Try to accomplish tasks with the workflow envisioned. Once comfortable, go back to XP and compare. Do not try to twist W7 into an XP mold. Like Mac, when the whole OSX rebirth happened, this is a different way of doing things. I believe, if you truly adapt and try W7 the way it is designed, the benefits will become obvious. Then again, for some, maybe not...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:53:59 Z

who ever talked about that issue with the recycle bin and it not being not being able to be pinned to the taskbar is right. the odd thing is that i was able to do that in the beta version of Windows 7, or was just just by error? well, i hope that they fix this for those of you who want this or i may fix this myself if microsoft doesn't. and why can it be pinned to the start menu? i think that is slightly pointless for the recycling bin? lol

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:43:55 Z

---Away Mode improperly specified or implemented---

In both 7000x64 and 7100x64, Sleep Mode works properly for me, but Away Mode has a significant problem.

When the PC awakes (from S3) to perform a scheduled task (such as TV recording or disk defragmenting), it enters Away Mode. But Away Mode has a bug with regard to the monitor:

(1) The monitor should remain asleep. Instead, it wakes and displays a blank (dark) screen.

(2) The monitor remains in that state for the duration of the scheduled task, unless I supply input to the keyboard or mouse. If I do supply user input, then the monitor displays the login screen (as it should), and then goes to sleep (as it should) after the configured idle timeout period. But if I do not supply user input, the monitor does not sleep until the scheduled task finishes and the computer goes back to sleep (S3).

Both of those behaviors are incorrect. In Away Mode, the monitor should not wake in the first place; and if it does, it should turn off after the specified idle time, even if no user input is ever supplied.

This problem has existed in both the Beta and RC, with the Vista64 video drivers (182.50), the Windows7x64 beta WDDM drivers (185.81), and the Windows7x64 WHQL WDDM drivers (185.85). (All other drivers in my system are supplied automatically by Windows.) I don't know if it's a problem with the drivers or with the Away Mode logic. If it's a driver problem, then the drivers should not be WHQL-certified; correct power-management behavior should not be optional.

I recognize that Away Mode is not a power-saving mode per se. Still, there is no excuse for throwing energy away by turning on the monitor just to display a blank screen (my monitor burns 120W). And it's especially unfortunate that Away Mode suppresses the idle timeout that would ordinarily turn the monitor off again. Away Mode should not be using *more* energy than the normal Awake state.

Microsoft should be aware that this is a significant flaw. It took years before power management worked properly in XP on my main home PC. Vista's power management never worked properly on desktop PCs I've seen (which is a reason I skipped Vista). Although I am otherwise pleased with Windows 7, I would hesitate to purchase the released product unless power management is first shown to work properly in an update to the RC.

Some details: in the Power Options, Multimedia Settings, Away Mode is not selected (Allow Sleep is selected instead). Media sharing is disabled. Wake on LAN is disabled. There is no Away Mode BIOS support.

I tried to disable Away Mode via:

powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_sleep 25dfa149-5dd1-4736-b5ab-e8a37b5b8187 0

powercfg -setactive scheme_current

reboot

but it had no effect on the problem (even though "powercfg -qh" shows that the setting did change).

GA-P35-DS3Lr2(F8) Q9450 OCZ8500(4GB) GTX260(WDDM1.1/185.85) 3xWDGreenPower(1TB)SATA

WinTV1600 GGW-H20L 3007WFP(2560x1600) 6.1.7100x64 Avast4.8.1335

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 14:59:41 Z

I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista. I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy. I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.

MS removed several applications from the Windows installation disk, but they are available for download from www.microsoft.com\windowslive

Including a new and improved photo gallery compared to the one bundled in Vista so you can still fix your pictures.

I think MS resorted to users having to download programs that used to be bundled with Windows to avoid some of the antitrust lawsuits they have been receiving. So instead of bundling the programs with the Windows installation disk you now download them from the website www.microsoft.com\windowslive.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:30:22 Z

I don't know about any of you, but I found the fix menu in the photo viewer to be one of the better improvements in Vista. I liked being able to crop and fix red eye/color of an image without having to open int in another program, it was quick and easy. I think that it is a feature that should be brought back.
MS removed several applications from the Windows installation disk, but they are available for download from www.microsoft.com\windowslive

Including a new and improved photo gallery compared to the one bundled in Vista so you can still fix your pictures.

I think MS resorted to users having to download programs that used to be bundled with Windows to avoid some of the antitrust lawsuits they have been receiving. So instead of bundling the programs with the Windows installation disk you now download them from the website www.microsoft.com\windowslive.

Yes, you do have to download Windows Live Photo Gallery and I believe that is related to the antitrust settlement but I will add that it is not new and also not improved. It is pretty much the program that has been around for download for over a year. While it has some nice feautures, it is much slower than Vista Photo Gallery. Because it is web enabled it can also be painfully slow if on a sluggish network/internet connection....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:42:51 Z

Harharharharhar.....True, true, true.....Even when you do accidentally click on the shutdown button, the computer will not shutdown, there will be prompt that will pop-up if you still have open programs......

I wish people would just acknowledge that they just don't like the Vista/Windows 7 shutdown approach and move on. One can complain if one likes, but creating scenarios that range for the illogical to the impossible is just silly and dragging out what is actually a non-argument.. As to accidentally "shutting down your server," last I checked this is a Windows 7 forum not a Server 2008 forum. How can you accidentally shut down your server from within a Windows 7 client? If you ignore that one, you get to "I am going to lose all my data" but that doesn't hold up since the app should prompt you to save and the OS will tell you that you have an open app. Even with the somewhat more realistic "I lost my download," if you accidentally hit the button/command, were you still not sitting there to see the black screen and warning for a few seconds? Granted, for this one they should stretch the time-out but that just a fix of the existing feature (not a re-design) Of course, if it is such a crisis, just change the function of the button to do nothing. It is not even a new feature (just new to XP users) and the world hasn't been in crisis with lost data, shut down servers, and missing files for the past couple years.

Sorry for the perceived lack of sympathy to those who are so involved in this from the XP end. I actually do sympathize with the fact that you struggle with (or don't like) the feature - I don't agree but do sympathize. I am sure that someone can design a little app (or hack) so that it will do what you want. Please make it about your dislike of the feature though, not about unrealistic disaster scenarios and elaborate rationalizations. I could come on here and say that if you press the power button your computer will self-destruct, or that it will turn into a toaster or a Mac (pretty much the same thing from my perspective) and it would be based in just about the same level of reality....

Stephen

OK Stephen, let me explain to you in plain words why the no-confirmation shutdown is so dumb.

Simplifying a bit, when you click shutdown, Windows sends a message to each running application telling it to quit if it can. If there is unsaved data, a well behaved application will advise Windows that it's not ready to quit, and Windows will show the appropriate prompts before continuing with shutdown. However this approach depends upon every application responding appropriately, including third party applications over which MS has limited control.

Now you may not be concerned about badly written third party applications failing to respond properly to a shut-down request, and that's fair enough. But there's one class of applications you should be concerned about, and that's WebApps. Try writing a long post into this forum and clicking ShutDown before you post your pearls of wisdom. Sayonara, oyster.

That said, I don't see this as much of a problem when it's so easy to evade by changing the default closedown option. On the other hand, implementing a choice (confirmation/no confirmation) or a countdown would surely be a very very tiny piece of work, and from an external perspective it seems bone-headed or bone-idle not to have done so.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:47:01 Z

REMEMBER EACH FOLDER'S VIEW SETTINGS

This option , which was present in the 'Folder Options' menu since W98 is missing in 7.

My work divides nicely in projects. I create a project folder containing all the files in the project and place a shortcut to it on the desktop. This folder is sized like a menu and placed at the right edge of my two screen monitor setup. To work on a particular part of the project I simply click on the appropriate file. Easy.
Only for the initial creation of a particular file do I need to bother with the Start Menu so I care little what it looks like, but not having the folders remember their size and position independently of each other is a pain.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:03:13 Z

One thing about windows firewall.
It will be realy very nice adding same notification/rule auto creation function as when program is trying to listen to some communication also on the outgoing direction. It will allow then to bloc all communications and yust wait for program trying to go out and then allow/deny it instead of watching logs and then configuring outgoing rules manualy.

David

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:06:39 Z

I have commented, since the early Vista releases, on the method of deploying the "Global" Adminstrative account. If one reads this, and other forums on the web, it is obviously a very desirable feature.
I am disappointed that, once again, it does not appear in Windows 7. It is extremely irritating, and badly thought out, that after installation of Windows 7, the user/installer, finds he only has limited Administrative rights to his own computer!
Would it not make sense to have this, as was done automatically in XP and aerlier OS's, to be logged in, without hindrance, as the Global Administrator?
It would do no harm, during the relevant portion of the install prcedure, to have a message adivising the installer that it would be a good idea, for security reasons, to set an user account and use it as default AFTER the install.
This has, in fact, been common default practise with most Linux distributions, for years.
Without labouring on, there are several other instances, still in the RC, of items which should be selective, rather than defaults.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:26:03 Z

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Windows Live Alerts from TechNet Forums <forumsup@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Another user, Stickywulf, has replied to a thread you have subscribed to in
> the Windows 7 Hardware Compatibility Forum.
>
> Thread Title is possible to use XP drivers in compatibility mode?
> Started by:
> Guillermo.Marraco
>
> Reply:
>
> Is that the Epson Stylus Color 600 ?
> If it is then I think it just uses the Epson Standard 2 Driver.
>
> Click start, and then type "control printers"
> Click "add new printer"
> Choose "add a local printer"
> Choose "use an existing port (LPT1)"
> Choose manufacturer "Epson" and printer "Epson ESC/P Standard 2" and click

I tried "Epson ESC/P Standard 2", and it does not works. It prints random characters.

(I'm 100% sure that the Epson Stylus color 600 is a ESC/P2 printer, because it is in XP)

Also tried to use Windows XP virtual machine, but it looks like it does not directly access the LPT2 port.

I hoped to install it in virtual machine, and share the printer with Windows 7. If where possible, it would unblock lots of future updates to Win7, since many updates are blocked because of lack of drivers for expensive printers.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:34:26 Z

This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.

You may not go for the score but the OS will. Your system is not up to par & you should not hope for sterling performance. As the 'Good Book' says - don't put new wine into old bottles or they will break. Put new wine into new bottles.
For new OS get new hardware or upgrade them in order to get good performance lest you start blaming your tools instead of yourself when things go wrong.
My system got a 6.0 for graphics performance but I will still go back to the good ol' XP when the evaluation period is over cos the Win7 is going to cost a bomb.

Gigabyte EP35 DS4 P4C2 6750/4Gb DDR2 1066/ NV 8800GT 256mb/ 2x1TB SATA/ 1x750Gb SATA/ 1x500Gb SATA/ DVDRW x4 sets/ Pinnacle AVDV capture card/ Antec Trio 550W PSU

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 16:38:00 Z

At initial setup, if you boot with a USB stick attached containing RAID/AHCI drivers, at the point where you create and select the install partition you receive the error:

"Setup was unable to create a system partition or locate an existing partition."

Here's what I had the first time I tried to install Win7 RC:

Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD
Boot device 3 = USB stick with ICH10R AHCI drivers

Setup starts fine, you can load the drivers, it lets you choose a partition but then says "unable to create system partition".

The solution for me was as follows:

1) Do not have USB stick plugged in when booting, so only:
Boot device 1 = CD-ROM
Boot device 2 = Blank Intel SSD

2) At the setup page which says you can load other drivers, insert the USB stick, click the link and load the drivers

3) Unplug the USB stick

4) Continue with setup

If you search you'll find quite a few references to this problem. Somethings wrong with the app to select the install partition if it's getting confused between what you have selected and an unrelated action to load drivers from a different device.

I had similar problem (ICH7). Rebooted and started again, and it worked.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:00:10 Z

I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:21:24 Z

This graphic card was more then enough to get a score of 3.1 in Vista, I have a score of 2.9 in Windows 7. Not a big deal, I don't go by the scores.

Its weird that your scores went down when you upgraded to Windows 7 because When i upgraded to Windows 7, my scores went up, but just by a bit. it was a lot less of a difference than of what happened to you. and oddly when i went to Windows 7 x86 to Windows 7 x64 my main graphics score went done a bit from 3.5 to 3.4...lol, while my gaming graphics stayed the same. i think thats what i get for having a shared graphics controller on my tablet PC. now my question is, why did the score go down?...lol

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:39:22 Z

I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....

I understand your point but can't quite say I agree in this case. With respect to battery usage, I find that WIndows 7 does a very good job of accurately tracking the battery level and rate of discharge. Since running multiple batteries like that is rather unique, and altering the system to track would seem to necessarily involve more CPU cyles, I am inclined to think the system itself would then be somewhat less efficient. Whatever allows the system to use the absolute minimum of power while on battery is what I would prefer and I think they are doing a pretty good job at this point. With respect to the screen saver, my feeling is the same. As it stands, you can set the screen to turn off at an interval less than the screen saver - that would seem to be as good an approach as one can get and doesn't require it to do more work. Just my opinions though....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 18:04:08 Z

I like some of the new features that microsoft has dne in Windows 7 to help Laptop PCs have battery life but they need to take it a step further. I have been sugesting this since Vista was in beta and they have not been listening, but i guess they hate the idea. well, actually i have two ideas.

One is to change the battery mettering system in Windows to make it more reliable. One of my notebook PCs can have up to 4 batteries connected at once. I know that seems crazy, but its true. I would like to see a new battery mettering system in Windows so that when i have all of the batteries connected to the notebook at once, Windows does not hibernate when the last one bas 50% left and the combimed total of all the batteries is about 3% or so. I would like it so that Windows metters the batteries individually as well as together. it should show the overall when you hover over the icon in the taskbar. It should not use that total for when it thinks it needs to hbernate the PC or not. It should only take total of each battery individually. and then when the last one gets to 3% or when or whatever, then it shutsdown or whatever action you tell it to take.

I also want them to add aditional functionability to the screen saver stuff. They keep changing the desktop wallpaper options, why not have better screen saver options to help us save on battery life for once. There should be an option so that we can have one screen savor on Battery power mode and then another screen saver on AC mode... and just like with the Desktop slide show the screen savers will automaticly change when you go from power source to power source....

I understand your point but can't quite say I agree in this case. With respect to battery usage, I find that WIndows 7 does a very good job of accurately tracking the battery level and rate of discharge. Since running multiple batteries like that is rather unique, and altering the system to track would seem to necessarily involve more CPU cyles, I am inclined to think the system itself would then be somewhat less efficient. Whatever allows the system to use the absolute minimum of power while on battery is what I would prefer and I think they are doing a pretty good job at this point. With respect to the screen saver, my feeling is the same. As it stands, you can set the screen to turn off at an interval less than the screen saver - that would seem to be as good an approach as one can get and doesn't require it to do more work. Just my opinions though....

Stephen

good point on the battery thing with the cpu cycle thing. but of course then different types of batteries are mettered differently as well in a way. i'm not going into detail on that.... well, another thing about my battery mettering idea is that Windows does not have to keeo mettering the dead batteries.... The system should only be monitoring living batteries.... and then when a battery dies it stops monitoring it or just checks up on it every 5 to 10 minutes, whichever or whatever the user perfers. and when a battery is drained it should be marked as "drained"....

-Steven

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 18:05:36 Z

Overall I'm pleased with the performance. Things that need work is the sensitivity of the "Show Desktop" button at bottom right screen. Too easy to drift the cursor to the bottom right and have your work dissapear. I also don't understand how the stiff requirements for Virtual XP aor Windows Virtual PC could be a benefit. I assume most user will not have the minimum requirements to use the feature.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 20:46:54 Z

Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 20:59:03 Z

Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.

That would be a good idea... because i find myseld using it at times for certain applications... I would also like the ability to disable aeropeek and aerosnap. is that even possible?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 21:08:18 Z

Arg. Pasted directly from Word 2007 to no avail.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 21:39:24 Z

ugh, can't anyone (Mr. R.V. anywhere?) edit this rockslide of text? my eyes are experiencing some kind of bsod.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 21:40:33 Z

ugh, can't anyone (Mr. R.V. anywhere?) edit this rockslide of text? my eyes are experiencing some kind of bsod.
Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Ya, just edited but no change yet. Don't copy from Word 2007 and post it here. MS boards doen't like MS products I guess.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 22:23:12 Z

Found Another Bug.

To make a roaming profile you need to go to the Users Profile tab in the properties of Computer.

Find the profile and choose "Copy to"

In Windows 7 the "Copy To" is GREYED OUT for ALL USERS except the Default Profile. I have tried a Local User (regular) and two different domain users (regular). I have logged in as both Domain Admin and Regular Admin.

Machine has been restarted so the profiles are no longer loaded in the registry and I CAN delete them (Delete option is Available). However, I just can't "copy to" using profile tab.

I have logged in as a Local Administrator (yes I enabled it) and also a Domain Administrator. Both have the greyed out "copy to" button. It is not a permissions issue.

It is available this way in Vista as I have done it per these Microsoft Instructions.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766489(WS.10).aspx

http://i.technet.microsoft.com/cc766489.1265e2ad-1570-406a-b107-6cbabe413b0c(en-us).gif

Create a Default Network User Profile

Log on to a computer running Windows Vista with any domain user account. Do not use a domain administrator account.
Configure user settings such as background colors and screen savers to meet your company standard. Log off the computer.
Log on to the computer used in step 1 with a domain administrator account.
Use the Run command to connect to the Netlogon share of a domain controller. For Example, the path used in the contoso.com domain looks like \\HQ-CON-SRV-01\NETLOGON
Create a new folder in the Netlogon share and name it Default User.v2.
Click Start, right-click Computer, and then click Properties.
Click Advanced System Settings. Under User Profiles, click Settings.
The User Profiles dialog box shows a list of profiles stored on the computer. Click the name of the user you used in step 1. Click Copy To.
In the Copy To dialog box, type the network path to the Windows Vista default user folder you created in step 5 in the Copy profile to text box. For example, the network path in the contoso.com domain is \\HQ-CON-SRV-01\NETLOGON \Default User.v2.
In Permitted to use, click Change. Type the name Everyone,and then click OK.

Click OK to start copying the profile. Close all remaining windows and log off the computer when the copying process is complete.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 19 May 2009 23:11:55 Z

I was wondering why my media player was showing me wrong album covers. I found out quite by accident windows explorer is hiding folder.jpg files from me. I was trying to rename a jpg to folder.jpg and win exp told me there was already a file called folder.jpg. But of course I saw no such file. Searching came up empty. I have it set to show hidden files too. I even set it to treat the folder as "general items" not music. Finally I copied a folder.jpg from another folder and let it overwrite the phantom folder.jpg. That did it. Bug or feature?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 00:15:43 Z

I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

<LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

<LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

<LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

-Noel

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 00:40:39 Z

I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

<LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

<LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

<LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

-Noel

In Windows Explorer, go to Organize and then Folder and Search Options and then view - change show or hide to whatever you want. That usually addresses point 1. As for ppint 2, change the display to details (the option is usually an icon on the toolbar that says "More Options" if you hover over it). You can turn off grouping by right clicking on the list of files, choose Group By, and then choosing none (or some other option). If you want different columns, right click on the column header row when in detail view. With respect to point 3, I am not quite sure what you mean but if you follow the steps for point 1, there is an option to set all folders like the current. Granted, they never did that right in Vista (didn't always remember the setting) so I don't know if it works correctly in Windows 7. If I misunderstood something - my apologies. Otherwise, that addresses how to deal with all three in Vista and Windows 7....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 00:42:58 Z

Can we have the option to assign some of the new aeropeek and aerosnap functions to mouse buttons...Some mice have more than 3 buttons, so such an assignment should be quite straightforward and very useful for the user.

That would be a good idea... because i find myseld using it at times for certain applications... I would also like the ability to disable aeropeek and aerosnap. is that even possible?

if it is any motivation for the developers, OSX already has a similar capability. You can assign some functionality to the mouse button that can control the behaviour of expose and spaces...it is quite handy

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 00:45:09 Z

Windows explorer bug:

-I saved many web pages to disk. Some where saved as html, others as htm, or other extensions.
-Then sorted by type (in details, mode).

Result, .HTM, and .HTML are non sorted. They keeps mixed.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 00:45:45 Z

I just thought of a bit of feedback that deserves big, bold letters:

Please provide some kind of option to turn off all the "magic" in Explorer - so it can be a way for someone savvy with computer technology to just look at the files!

<LI> Don't hide files you don't think we should see.

<LI> Don't replace times and dates with "3 minutes ago".

<LI> Please give us an option that just makes it possible for every folder on the hard drive to be seen one way - as files.

-Noel

I kind of agree. there needs to be a way to turn off the so called "magic" in Windows explorer. expecially since i hate hows Windows 7 views every folder in "library view" now a days instead of "folder view". if you want to go to the folder view you still can by right clicking on the folder, but is there an option to have it so that Windows 7 browses through the folders instead of the libraries by default? or is that now just a dream of the past?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 01:21:29 Z

my all in all opinion of the system is & I understand & hope that MICROSUCK will fix some things in the final release -- 7 does provide much better appearance options than VISTA - I hate that you do NOT have the classic view option on like in XP, also do NOT like that everything is task bar driven, I prefer a bit of older touch so, had to create shortcuts to my desktop as you would normally have on like XP to key programs & folders - since the RC beta comes with NO e-mail programs you can download the Windows Live package which comes with a Windows Mail program similar to VISTA - I have found that the new AVAST antivirus works with 7 and is free (alot of good praise for AVAST) - also, if you use an optimizer tune up program ADVANCED SYSTEM CARE works on 7 -- it's a pretty good system & I have added & tweaked it here & there for my own personal needs EXCEPT for more control on appearance than VISTA, it's a good thing it's free at the moment - I wouldn't pay for 7, I would stick with VISTA for now but, hopefully MS will fill in some holes & gaps where some programs are needed - AND except only for stability reasons XP is still the best, I just love the look & feel of XP ----- SO, amyone who hasn't pulled the trigger on VISTA or 7 yet hold off until a few more tweaks are done

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 02:54:43 Z

Thanks for your input, Stephen, but I'm quite knowledgeable about the use of Explorer. I use Details view preferentially, and generally speaking I'm set up to see most folders in Details view by default. However, if the system gets it in its head that a folder contains music files or pictures or something else special then bam, we see icons or different columns or whatever. There are also times that the system conspires to hide things from us. For example, I made a backup of my (legitimate) copy of my Office CD on the hard drive, and something came along and hid all the cabinet files.

Win7 does seem to do better at making Explorer views more consistent than Vista, but both show clear intent that Explorer has moved away from being a simple, reliable file manager, and now tries instead to be your personal assistant for accessing stuff on your computer. This has its merits, but there are those of us who'd rather Explorer just did one thing well (and most importantly consistently).

Regarding file times, I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I want it to sink into Microsoft's awareness that sometimes one needs to see the seconds of the file date/time (e.g., 10:53:04), but there is simply NO WAY to consistently see this. You can see seconds values for very old files in Explorer's Properties dialog, but not for files modified (or created or accessed) recently. Instead Properties shows "2 hours ago" or similar.

I don't mind that they want Explorer to seem friendly. I just want ways to turn it off.

-Noel

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 03:55:57 Z

Ok, as Microsoft decision concerning the Classic Start Menu has been already taked, I've tried in the last 2 weeks to convince a software company who already sold the classic menu for office to develop a similar feature for W7. They have sent me a mail today, that they accept the challenge. The product will be available at this page: http://www.classicstartmenu.com/ So if Microsoft don't want to add a feature requested by his customers, it will be always a third-party company to respond !

While I am not sold on the new office interface, I have adapted to the new W7 interface and am twice as quick. What I am perceiving here is a reluctance for certain individuals to learn new tricks.

Please, clear the slate and come at W7 with a fresh perspective. Try to accomplish tasks with the workflow envisioned. Once comfortable, go back to XP and compare. Do not try to twist W7 into an XP mold. Like Mac, when the whole OSX rebirth happened, this is a different way of doing things. I believe, if you truly adapt and try W7 the way it is designed, the benefits will become obvious. Then again, for some, maybe not...

As an Administrator, OSX is a complete nightmare to administer compared to OS 9.4 and was the reason I quit being a Mac Tech after 20 years. What took 3 command keys to fix in OS 9, now takes a 20 command line UNIX commands.

Just because Microsoft is trying so desparately hard to copy Mac doesn't mean it is a good thing.

The one benefit of running Microsoft Windows over Mac was the added functionality. You have so much more control over everything. Mac has always designed their OS to be used by people with the computer knowledge of a 5 year old. Anyone who wants to do anything beyond the basics can't.

Windows 7 copying Mac is a bad thing, not a good thing.

Removing functionality is a bad thing too because people don't want to have stuff taken away from them. Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 all removed quite a bit of functionality that was available with Windows 2003 server and Windows XP. That is the main reason we haven't upgraded yet.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 04:07:09 Z

I have commented, since the early Vista releases, on the method of deploying the "Global" Adminstrative account. If one reads this, and other forums on the web, it is obviously a very desirable feature.
I am disappointed that, once again, it does not appear in Windows 7. It is extremely irritating, and badly thought out, that after installation of Windows 7, the user/installer, finds he only has limited Administrative rights to his own computer!
Would it not make sense to have this, as was done automatically in XP and aerlier OS's, to be logged in, without hindrance, as the Global Administrator?
It would do no harm, during the relevant portion of the install prcedure, to have a message adivising the installer that it would be a good idea, for security reasons, to set an user account and use it as default AFTER the install.
This has, in fact, been common default practise with most Linux distributions, for years.
Without labouring on, there are several other instances, still in the RC, of items which should be selective, rather than defaults.

If you have faith in your ability as an administrator not to mess up your PC you can easily put it back. Just disable UAC and take ownernship and then reset the permissions in Windows, Program Files and the registry and reset to Windows XP permissions. I have done this on Windows Vista and Windows 7 both without issue. In my domain as an administrator I NEED to be an administrator which means I need the ability to modify the HKClasses Root folder (especially seeing as their is no file types manager anymore) as well as the HKLocal Machine.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 04:12:43 Z

I was wondering why my media player was showing me wrong album covers. I found out quite by accident windows explorer is hiding folder.jpg files from me. I was trying to rename a jpg to folder.jpg and win exp told me there was already a file called folder.jpg. But of course I saw no such file. Searching came up empty. I have it set to show hidden files too. I even set it to treat the folder as "general items" not music. Finally I copied a folder.jpg from another folder and let it overwrite the phantom folder.jpg. That did it. Bug or feature?

For whatever reason MS considers the file "Folder.jpg" as a protected operating system file so selecting "Show hidden files and folders" will not work. In order to see it in Windows Explorer you will have to uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" under the Windows Explorer Folder Options - View Tab.

I do not understand why Folder.jpg should be considered a protected operating system file because as far as I'm aware its only ever used to store album art.

I actually commented on this on May 14th at 2:57pm in the forum thread "Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2 )"

You won't be the last person to come across this problem when they go to modify their MP3 album art and Folder.jpg already exists, but they cannot see Folder.jpg.

MS needs to change Folder.jpg so that it is no longer considered a protected operating system file.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 04:22:07 Z

I think you totally missed the point I was making. It is actually much easier than your suggestion to take on the role of Global Administrator, that was not my comment.
But to the aberage user the method remains hidden.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 04:55:29 Z

Hey Anthony,

Please regard this as detailed feedback.

I have installed windows 7 RC. Nice and smooth install. Activated windows, no problems. Drivers installed are: Intel chipset x48 application versoin 8.3.1.11010. Windows program compatiblilty assistent reinstalled using recomended settings, outcome was successfull install. Intel network driver application verson provistax64_v13.5, outcome was unable to installed due to incompatiable application verson. Ati 4870x2 Graphics card, 9.4 vista_win7_64_dd driver, No problems. 9.4 vista32-64_ccc, The screen flickers on catlysit application install and is working, no problems. Razor Lycosa key board windows vista 32-64 driver verson 2.04 installed, no problems. Razor Lachesis mouse driver verson 1.10 installed, no problems. Direct X10 setup, downloaded and installed correctly, just the download green bar does not reflect over all procces or time it takes to download. Sound card is the Creative E-MU1212 Driver verson 2.1 and Application verson 2.1 installed, no problems, appears to function normally. Downloaded all up dates from windows update, all installed correctly except the ati update it failed, does not tell me why it failed, update should tell you why it failed instead of an error codes, if possible. I think it is because I have the lastest update installed for windows 7 anyhow. The OS tells me if I need to take action on the windows update settings, when update is set to don't check for updates, as well as it does not detect virus protection. When I change the way Action Center alerts me to don't notify me about alerts, it stops alerting me. Did a system health report for the 60 seconds, a warnning report lets me know that it didn't detect an antivirus program installed, however all tests show a pass mark. The feature(s) Readyboost with policies changed to better preformence, no problems. Both Hard disk policies changed to, Turn off windows write caching buffering to improve disk preformance, on problems. Turned off Windows automatic page file for drive C: set to virtual memory to Zero, no problems.

Applications install: Propellerheads Reason 4 for Audio music creation installed, no problems, appears to function normally for now. Blizzards StarCraft, installed, no problems, however, you must set Run as administator before you start this game or download the patch update for the first time. If you do not, the appication does not function normally. I was able to install it successfully using Windows suggestions for trouble shooting and support from Blizzards web page. This application then worked normally and installed the patch updates, so far no problems after that. Did media setting overview, played an audio wav. file I created from Reason 4, no problems in the Windows media playback device so far. Web page settings overview, no problems. Windows Defender did a scan, no problems found so far. Just another personal note seems to have a delay in openning any folder just after boot into the OS, could be becuase of service with delayed startup?

So far so good. Speedy boot up, shut down after 1 hour of restarting on driver installs + applications. The OS so far seems to learn + make use of prefromance features.

I hope you find this Feedback useful.

Dallin

P.S. Thank you for letting me try Windows 7 beta build 7000 and this new Release Windows 7 RC build 7100

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 06:50:14 Z

1/ Vietnamese collation still broken as a friend of mine mentioned before.
Still hope MS would fix this before or from Win7 RTM.

Background info on Vietnamese collation data:
http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/charset/vietalphabet.html
http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/08/27/457224.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2008/03/26/8337198.aspx
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forumarchives/NETinternationalization/Aug2005/post23518788.asp

2/ Also, the MS's Vietnamese Input Keyboard has never used by most Vietnamese.
Most Vietnamese (in & outside Vietnam) use 2 these input keyboards: TELEX & VNI.
These input keyboard should be added into Win7 RTM.

I'm live in Vietnam, and I don't know what need to do to help MS fix all those errors involved in Vietnamese Language, which appeared from Win2000. So hope this post would draw some attention from Win7 Team.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 08:25:21 Z

There's some Firewall behavior I don't like: my desktop is connected to a home network, and I've given permissions for some of my programs to connect to the internet from a home location, but I haven't explicitely allowed or blocked anything for public networks (which isn't applicable for my desktop, since it never moves). When my network adapter is disabled for any reason (troubleshooting it, or for a split-second while updating drivers) Windows Firewall pops up messages asking me to allow my programs access in public networks---even though I'm not connected to *any* network at all.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 12:13:56 Z

I don't mind that they want Explorer to seem friendly. I just want ways to turn it off.

Noel, I keep agreeing with you.

Despite the fact I know it is not going to happen, since windows 7 is "done", I would love to see a overhaul of Windows Explorer. Why MS Paint and Wordpad had a full re-design and Windows Explorer remains almost the same it was in Vista?
(Note: If it remained the way it was in XP, fine for me, but Vista really messed up with Windows Explorer).

Why not try a new approach, like the Ribbons? They are not supposed to be the new standard? I like to be able to put commands in the "Title Bar" in Office 2007, and now it is possible to do the same in Paint and Wordpad. But, explorer appears to be "left behind", and we can´t even customize the toolbar anymore.
I appreciate they are trying to make Explorer more friendly, too, but, if it cost removing very useful features, without giving an option to put back, it´s not a good thing.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 12:30:10 Z

I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner. And if you are doing a clicking on somewhere in the screen, suddenly you find yourself closing the app you are working with. This is an annoying situation. The solution: When you maximize the application window; there should be a 2x2 pixel area in topright corner of the screen. And this area should be UNCLICKABLE. I dont think that there will be a problem with the one who wants the close the window indeed. Anyone wanting to close the window can easily do this by clicking on the cross button. In order the overcome this situation, i am not maximizing the application windows. Bu there should be a systematic solution

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 12:31:27 Z

I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing

The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner. And if you are doing a clicking on somewhere in the screen, suddenly you find yourself closing the app you are working with. This is an annoying situation.

The solution: When you maximize the application window; there should be a 2x2 pixel area in topright corner of the screen. And this area should be UNCLICKABLE. I dont think that there will be a problem with the one who wants the close the window indeed. Anyone wanting to close the window can easily do this by clicking on the cross button.

In order the overcome this situation, i am not maximizing the application windows. Bu there should be a systematic solution

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 12:39:40 Z

I would like to suggest something about mouse movements. I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing

I disagree. Never suffered from this. The simpliest solution is using a good mouse pad.

I never look at the X to close a window. If I want to close it, I just do it, move the mouse to the upper corner and click. Done. It would be a real problem for me if the sugested 2x2 unclickable area existed.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 12:41:49 Z

No thankyou! I like my no-see-close-windows function. no 2x2 space please.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 13:01:36 Z

Probably a lot more people have seen it or maybe it is only on my laptop but after waking up my laptop from sleep and entering my password it says its wrong. A solution was to click "switch user" and then it did recognize the password and let me log on. Kind of a bug id say. Lets hope its gonna bet fixed until the full w7 comes out, the beta I could not even install on my hardware, thank god RC I was able to, looks really good, I like it.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 14:32:16 Z

Excellent.....
I installed specifically copying the failed installation of 7000 bèta. It seemed to hang but I guess the % counters during setup are different. The installation completed in 20-25min. (I had gotten the most correct drivers so they were available during install on the W7 partition) even left the graphics card remain the main graphics controller for the 1st monitor [DVI]. (my mobo has DVI & VGA aswel [could go to 4 monitors]) Secondary (HDMI 1920*1080[HDCP])was also connected during install. All the USB devices (9) were also left inserted w/o problems.
I did have 1 issue & am not entirely sure where to place it. Personally I thought it was a ganged/unganged problem but there was something else that preceeds/accompanies the OS hanging which is a statement that a 'jack' was detected to be disconnected.
I had been playing with audio output and @ that point it was set to address the audio device directly. I changed it to address all audio output via directsound 2 days ago & it hasn't crashed since. Let's hope that was it!
Still strange that XviD & DivX (350Mb/43min) use 30-35% processor capacity [mp3 2ch change to DD = +2%] while x264 1280*720 (8.5Gb/125min) with DTS uses 10-12%. [audio passthrough] I am guessing (not really) that the w&#kers at MS want to keep using their own mp4 codec. Really, it is a piece of ____, focus on an OS you'll get slapped by the EU eventually for incorporating it in the OS & not allowing other software companies to enter that mkt segment. (& there are plenty)
I have 64bit versions of x264 + XviD + DivX through FFDShow64 so there's no need for an MP4 codec.

Besides these minor issues I am pleased with the product.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 16:46:32 Z

Trying out Windows Virtual PC with Virtual Windows XP installed. Everything works fine, but there is one thing that keeps bugging me: the virtual XP quite often just freezes for about 15 seconds. If I type something during the freeze. it shows up after the Virtual PC becomes responsive again. The 'Real' PC never freezes - I can do anything even when the Virtual PC is frozen.

Relevant stats: CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8600 [Wolfdale] at 3.3GHz and 4GB of RAM (64-bit system), of which 1GB is allocated to the Virtual PC.

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 17:38:03 Z

Can you guys add the ability to right click on a folder and change the color of it. I have a few friends that have tons of folders and have a hard time finding them. Arranging folders by color can help eliminate that for the average user. You guys create a suggestive folder color scheme for users, such as- Black folder - contains system files; Red folder - contains Video or Image files; Blue folder - contains Music files. I know we can change icons and would not be practical in the amount of steps that one would have to take to accomplishh that. I also know that there are several programs for sale that offer that feature as well, but it isn't as simple as being able to right click the folder and change it. You could also do this for Icons as well.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 18:14:08 Z

IE8 suddenly doesn't want to print or to show print-previews anymore.

I have had this problem several times and the reason was each time due to the fact that the following folder and it's content was deleted somehow :
C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Temp\Low

I figured out that this happens when I run [Disc Cleanup of the C-drive] with [Temporary Files] selected.

This should not happen - I think that it is a little bug that needs to be repared.

For those who have the problem - it can be solved as follows :
In C:\users\username\appdata\local\temp
There should be a folder named LOW
If that folder is not there : create it.

Then start the command prompt C:\ in administrator mode
You can find the command prompt C:\ as follows : StartButton/All Programs\Accessories\
Click on it with the right mouse button and choose "Run as administrator"

When the command prompt window opens simply type the following line of text followed by Enter.
Icacls C:\users\username\Appdata\Local\Temp\Low /setintegritylevel (oi)(ci)low
username is the name of the user who has the problem.

Regards
Picsoe

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 18:45:25 Z

Probably a lot more people have seen it or maybe it is only on my laptop but after waking up my laptop from sleep and entering my password it says its wrong. A solution was to click "switch user" and then it did recognize the password and let me log on. Kind of a bug id say. Lets hope its gonna bet fixed until the full w7 comes out, the beta I could not even install on my hardware, thank god RC I was able to, looks really good, I like it.

Out of curiousity, who made your laptop? I had a version of that problem with the beta but it appeared to be an incompatible HP keyboard filter in the end. There were times when typing the password on laptop keyboard the yielded a message that it was wrong but it worked on an external keyboard and other times when the reverse was true. Very annoying and (thankfully) no longer seems to be an issue with the RC....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 18:45:39 Z

Picsoe, I cannot help but notice your reference to Temp folder. I had run into the same problem with Vista. Check in Control Panel > Internet Options that your folder is located at C:\Users\Picsoe\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files. I also noticed if the HS attributes get changed on that folder, it is very uncooperative in being resolved without going to the Command Prompt to fix it. Unless it gets fixed, access will keep reverting back (to the Temp folder).

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 20:22:24 Z

BUG #1 - Group Polices DON'T Overwrite Local Security Settings for Offline Files.

I have a Domain where Offline File Caching is Disabled. It is set in the Default Domain Policy - Computer Configuration - Admin templates-Network - Offline Files - Allow or Disallow the use of Offline Files feature = DISABLED. It says "At least Windows 2000" so it SHOULD work on Vista and Windows 7 too.

With my Windows 7 machine Offline Files is still enabled and when I go to manually disable it is Greyed Out.

When I run gpresult on my Windows 7 Machine I get the following that the Winning GPO is the Default Domain Policy.

However, Offline files is STILL Enabled.

Why won't it disable via Group Policy?

I don't have the network bandwith to waste it with offline file caching and then the synching gets all messed up if the server goes offline.

It is basically a nightmare so I want to turn it off.

Found out that this is the same with Vista too. It just doesn't disable it unless you disable the services. What a pain.

BUG #2 - Despite being Hidden on Desktop and Start Menu in Group Policies, the Network shows up in Windows Explorer.

Again as a Network Administrator, I don't want my users to be able to Browse the Network. I could disable this with XP but not with Windows 7

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 21:30:41 Z

About Windows Explorer's command bar: the way the buttons and dropdown menus shift around depending on what's selected makes it difficult to use, especially when you're rapidly scrolling through several types of files. The New Folder button, for example, constantly shifts position. I think some of the contex-sensitive buttons should have standard widths, so that each element remains in a predictable spot on the command bar, regardless of what it's displaying.

As an aside, I'd like a way to customize what shows up on the command bar as well, not to mention reordering its contents. That would go some ways towards reducing my above complaint.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 21:40:08 Z

I think hundreds of thousands of windows users haver suffered from this thing The problem: When you use an optical mouse on a wooden and polished table; the mouse pointer may sometimes randomly go to the upperright corner.

Really? I've never had this problem. I think you should seriously consider buying a better mouse, or a mouse mat.

Thack

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 21:48:35 Z

1) I want to repeat my impressions from another post: XP was a big step from the Win95/98/ME architecture, even superior in many aspects to the late NT/2000 builds, so it's no wonder that a roughly estimated share of 80-90 % of the business market stays with it until today. Vista had hardware requirements that were too high even for great companies that didn't feel the need to invest a bunch of money for changing all their IT equipment, train their employees, etc. - only to have a reportedly slower and less compatible system than their old one. Windows 7 seems to get over those doubts. I can only report my own experience, but its installation was a no brainer (I know there are others with huge problems) and nearly all my hardware and software worked fine on my dinosaur laptop (bought late 2004, OMG!) from the very first moment. I participated in earlier beta programs (like Windows ME, one bugfix build after another) and can truly say that this was an unexpected but good surprise. My only BSOD's so far were the result of some driver experiments.

2) After all the praising, now to the only bad experience part - with a really stunning end. The only piece of my hard and software not working from the beginning was my TV tuner card (FlyDVB-T Duo Cardbus) and its manufacturer's viewing app (Lifeview DTV). Windows Update didn't find drivers (even with quite a bunch of them in the "Lifeview" section of the Update Catalog, marked for "Windows 7 client" - none of those is compatible). Manufacturer's drivers on its homepage - either old (like the card itself) or not compatible (Vista-version). After one try and another, I decided to stay with the oldest drivers of all (from early 2005, for XP of course). That worked, at least with the open-source app "Media Portal", Windows Media Center and other PCTV apps worked or not, depending from the moon cycles or I don't know what. I suspected the cause here and there but found no real solution. But! Today I changed my UAC settings for testing some program responses, noticed complaints from some apps about restricted network access, so I changed some network settings for the Windows Firewall, and finally changed the UAC settings back. Sometimes later - nothing more happened in the meantime - I wanted to look the TV news, clicked on "Media Portal" and ... received an error message that the assisting TV server app could not connect to SQL 2005 due to a network error. O_o. Hopelessly I tried Media Center, too - and, WTF, all TV channels were there, the tuner was finally recognized and I can receive all signals from Digital TV as it should be.
Well, this may be considered a minor issue, and some may say that "legacy hardware" after such an incredible lifecycle like nearly five years looses all rights of being supported further. I don't think so, look at point 1) and consider one thing: When security settings are impeding some programs - even MS built-in apps - to work properly, then something goes wrong.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 20 May 2009 22:38:03 Z

""nBvM8oe3 "

Please re-enable the ability to detach toolbars from the taskbar. In XP I would have several "quick bars" toolbars on the side of my screen for utilities, office applications, games, etc... I set those bars to "always on top" and could instantly launch my favorite programs without mucking up the taskbar. It is the only thing I'm really missing (*BADLY*) in Windows 7 RC. If not drag-n-drop, a menu option (similar to the taskbar) that allows you to dock the toolbar to the bottom/left/right/top of the screen. This was possible in Vista also, but the Aero glass didn't work on it. I could care less about aesthetics and just want the option to customize the location of toolbars back. Thanks!"

I would like to second that a detachable toolbar is a great inconvenience with windows 7 as i used this for all my programs and games on a left and top toolbar and have no benefit of trying to start in total 30 or so programs from the startmenu or in docked toolbars. Also making it look fancy really isnt a big deal its just the ease of use!

This would be GREATLY appreciated.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 01:44:54 Z

There is a way to customize your folders, including replacing the picture/icon. Right click on the folder and choose properties, then go to the customize tab. Unfortunately, they left it to you to make or alter the pictures/icons yourself.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 01:49:28 Z

Could you please add some options to the Notification Area Icons window? Currently, it has the option to "Show all icons and notifications on the taskbar", but there is no way to have it show all icons but hide all of the notifications. Well, not unless you create a rule for each and every program installed on your computer. I really like seeing what programs are starting up and running in the backgroud, but having all of those irritating balloons and messages pop up is maddening.

Perhapse you could split "Show all icons and notifications on the taskbar" into two check boxes, one that is "Show all icons on the taskbar", and one that is "Show all notifications on the taskbar".

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 01:54:12 Z

1. it is difficult to identify which is the running program, since they are all so shiny. consider having a "depressed" style (like xp and vista) or a border highlight style for runnning program. with the current design, it makes it very hard to switch between multiple windows.

2. do not group similar programs together. say i open firefox, internet explorer, my computer, firefox, "D" drive, and firefox again, in that particular order, i would like my taskbar to be in that order as well, instead of grouping the firefoxes together. consider allowing the taskbar shuffling to shuffle in their particular windows. that is, when i drag one firefox, it's one firefox, not all 3 glued together.

3. please return msn messenger, portable media devices etc to an icon in the notification area. when i'm using the "never combine" option, having 3 of such programs running will mean half of my taskbar area gone bcos they stay in the taskbar. personally, the "pin to taskbar" and "combine taskbar buttons" options are not useful. i believe there are others like me. consider allowing user to change settings to their preferences

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 04:36:44 Z

bring back MSSTYLES visual themes. i am sick of having to choose from old and very ugly themes, new and very ugly themes,and new and not so ugly themes that dont do my computer a whole lot of good when it comes to performance.

seriously Microsoft. NOBODY uses Windows Classic theme and the only people who use Windows 7 Basic are the people that dont have up to date graphics cards. so if you are going to make an OS, at least make it so that it is visually appealing and allows one to advertise their personal taste

did you forget that we are the customers? we said we wanted changes and while you did make them you compromised so much of the good.

regards, nitrous_74

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 05:28:44 Z

Just a minor issue:
Using 3 year old laptop with discontinued support. Windows 7 RC runs very fine so far (I'm impressed).
But running on battery the meter flashes and tells me all the time "Consider replacing your battery".
Since nothing is broken this is a bit annoying. I do need the battery meter but I don't like the flashing cross.
Could you please just implement a function somewhere (some checkbox in the powermanagement) to supress this behaviour?

Thanks a lot

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 12:30:08 Z

Windows Explorer frequently "forgets" all my image and video thumbnails. Almost every day I'll open up Live Photo Gallery and it will spend time reacquiring the thumbs for my 900-odd videos. (As an aside, there should be some way to force WLPG to exclude videos.)

Also, if you're attempting to overwrite an image or video whose thumbnail hasn't been generated yet, Explorer won't create a thumbnail to display on the confirmation window; rather it will just display the generic image file icon. If the filename isn't descriptive enough to determine the file's contents, you have no way of knowing if the two files are the same or not (file size is a hint, but that's not a sure bet). Your only resort is to open the directory of the thumbnail-less file, locate it, identify it, then return to the previous directory and finally decide whether or not to continue with the file copy.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 12:36:34 Z

So far everything is running smoothly, my old Canon I860 was picked up and installed without me even having to download the drivers. I game a lot and so far the games have run better on 7 than on XP on the same box. I'm really a big fan of the way compatibility is working. I'm not having the issues others seem to be having with sleep and hibernation modes. Nor the run as admin issues. I do have some odd apps that are working fine as well, such as the nostromo loadout manager, keepass, and mozyhome remote backup.

My one problem is with open office, I put it on with a fresh install, opened up an existing document, and went to resize a table and it locks the OS. I can duplicate it on demand.

Aside from that two thumbs up so far. My computer is newer, at least most of it is. I even have a rosewill wireless card that was having packet loss issues that seem to be better with 7. (You get what you pay for)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 13:10:39 Z

Right click Shortcut > Properties > Hotkey.

This has *NEVER* worked properly in ANY version of windows.
it's extremely frustrating, to the stage where i have to run Litestep just to get some global hotkeys.

____, forget the keys being GLOBAL, the majority of the time i can click on the desktop where the hotkeyed shortcut exists, press the hotkey combination and NOTHING HAPPENS!
How does hotkeys fail to register when the hotkey exists in the ACTIVE WINDOW ?!

Please fix this in W7 for the love of god, at least get this one right. Litestep doesn't quite work properly with W7 and i'm of the impression it never will, since vista has been out for years and it still doesn't work properly on vista either.

All i want is GLOBAL hotkeys and the option to use the windows key as a MAIN key in the combination, e.g Windows key + Z to open my FTP servers' directory.

It's really frustrating to have to WIN+D every 5 seconds and click one of 100 odd shortcuts on the desktop JUST to navigate 5+ directories deep in windows.
It has gotten to the stage that once you can type 80WPM or faster, it's actually faster to use windows entirely with the keyboard e.g;
win + r > D:\ftpserv\en\Firefox\releases\x86\ takes me 2-3 seconds to perform.

Having to WIN+D and click a shortcut on the desktop every time i want to go somewhere takes up to 10 if the shortcut has moved.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 13:34:45 Z

I´m another user who has bugs while using multi-monitors.

The bug is that if I turn on my laptop with my external monitor plugged in, the boxes in the title bar that performs minimize, maximize/restore and close of every window is missing, but their functionality still work, although I have to guess where they are located. If I launch Macromedia Fireworks 8 which forces Windows to switch to Basic color scheme the problem is solved, even if I go back to normal color scheme. This bug doesn´t happens if I don´t use my external monitor.

My setup:
Dell Inspiron 1525 Laptop (Core2 Duo T5750 @ 2Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 250Gb HD, Intel 965G Graphics/system chipset)
Samsung SyncMaster 226BW 22" LCD Monitor
Samsung ML-1610 Laser Printer

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 13:41:42 Z

Character map: add a search field that filters characters by description. Yes.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 15:58:17 Z

Browsing through folders and files is annoying. When expanding a directory in Computer, the directory is always repositioned in the left pane, it is frustrating to always have to find where it went on the display.
Same with icon on the taskbar.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 15:58:57 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2)>

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

Its incredibly annoying that each time that the network workgroup name is changed, is necessary to reboot the computer. I hoped for Win7 for it to be fixed. Also, there is no point to force the user to belong to an unique workgroup. It causes a lot of problems.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 16:00:56 Z

trying to use search for files with specific extension as *.inf returns everything but that.
Why making it more complicated that it is?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 16:07:04 Z

i had the some problem. type in "*.inf" (with quotes), and it works.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 16:22:44 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2) >

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

The wireless network state icon never shows the intensity of the wireless signal (On a Toshiba Qosmio F45-AV410 laptop model)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 16:36:34 Z

I´m another user who has bugs while using multi-monitors.

The bug is that if I turn on my laptop with my external monitor plugged in, the boxes in the title bar that performs minimize, maximize/restore and close of every window is missing, but their functionality still work, although I have to guess where they are located. If I launch Macromedia Fireworks 8 which forces Windows to switch to Basic color scheme the problem is solved, even if I go back to normal color scheme. This bug doesn´t happens if I don´t use my external monitor.

My setup:
Dell Inspiron 1525 Laptop (Core2 Duo T5750 @ 2Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 250Gb HD, Intel 965G Graphics/system chipset)
Samsung SyncMaster 226BW 22" LCD Monitor
Samsung ML-1610 Laser Printer

This is a driver issue. When laptop builders integrate video chips (especially integrated video) into their systems, there are multiple paths that are unique to the application. Without the customized drivers, the chipset has a difficult time sending the right signals to the right paths. This is why most manufacturers tell users to return to the vendors for laptop drivers.

I have seen this many times and had to perform the same steps on my bosses E6400 yesterday.

I would recommend going back to Dell and installing the Vista drivers.

http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/downloads/en/downloads_splash?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~mode=popup&file=245580

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:31:11 Z

Please add an option for a Classic Start Menu. Thanks.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:32:28 Z

Please add an option to remove 'favorites' and 'libraries' from 'My Computer' navigation pane.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:36:27 Z

Hi

In Vista if I right click on my external HDD or a usb key drive letter or any other external storage or device (like camera) one of the options in menu is safely remove the device. It is not in Win 7 any more and I again have to go all the way to notification bar to click on the usb icon and eject device. It is a waste of time can we have that option back in the menu?
On the other note if you click that USB icon atleast now you can see which device is which great!!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:37:50 Z

"Safely Remove" was moved into the "Eject" command on build 7100.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:41:06 Z

I have build 7100. I have eject on DVD-rom or virtual blu-ray disc but not on my external HDD or SD card?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 17:41:36 Z

I do not like category view in CP and when I change to Large Icons it is almost perfect except that it is single click which I find annoying.
Can we have standard win2k/XP control panel look?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:01:44 Z

A quick comment to Microsoft...

Please stop taking to heart those "Hi, I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC" commercials so much!  You DON'T want to make Windows into OSX! The grass is NOT greener on the other side!

In other words, please stop "dumbing down" the system!

If you want the system to be more usable, that's a great idea. Just keep in mind there are people who need to do real work with it, and that SOME parts of it might just still have to remain a bit "geeky" for that to be possible!

For example, I can no longer deterministically see the seconds or milliseconds value of a file modification date no matter what I try in Explorer. Is "3 minutes ago" in the file Properties dialog REALLY easier to use than "5/18/2009 9:19:45"? Are you saying the majority of your customers are too stupid to know that 9:22 is 3 minutes later? And what would be the REAL problem with "5/18/2009 9:19:45.1234"? Leave the hours:minutes in the main displays for simplicity, but don't remove the ability to see the actual details from the Details view!!!!

And is it really easier to use a system with a network icon that doesn't show when there's network activity?

For God's sake at least leave in options where we can turn on the good stuff and back off the "duh"!

If you keep adding more "Duh" and removing "To Work" options, you will lose customers.

Even all the kids who use Windows for entertainment are going to grow up and get jobs where they need to use Windows for real work.

Clearly your Marketing people are driving many of these boneheaded UI changes...

Suggestion for Microsoft Project Engineering Leaders:   Talk to your senior software developers - i.e., people trying to use Windows to get real work done. Assuming they aren't using XP or 3rd party apps to get their work done, actually ASK them about each UI change and LISTEN to what they have to say. And please push back against the Marketing folks when the changes don't make sense.

Thank you.

-Noel

Couldnt agree more! There are many things in vista and vista SE(Windows 7) that take more work to get done or cant even do without 3rd party apps.
Even the system clock cant be shown and leave up! What an idea!? Win7 will NOT make me more money it will cost me already several hundred dollars to purchase 3rd party apps to do what could be done even in XP and win2k!

Matt

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:10:44 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2) >

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

Virtualization in a Toshiba Qosmio F45-AV410 does not works.

I installed Virtual PC 2007 on that machine, under vista 32 bit, and works perfectly, but under windows 7 64 bit a message error says "there is no hardware-assisted virtualization support in the system". If I reboot, and start Vista, it does works correctly.

Al devices where recognized, except a "mass sotrage controller", and a "PCI memory controler". I think that the mass stroage is an USB flash memory integrated in the mother, and the PCI memory should be a flash card drive.

the notebook contains a core 2 Duo T5450 with Motherboard Intel Santa Rosa CRB, chipset GM965.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:20:43 Z

Windows Explorer frequently "forgets" all my image and video thumbnails. Almost every day I'll open up Live Photo Gallery and it will spend time reacquiring the thumbs for my 900-odd videos. (As an aside, there should be some way to force WLPG to exclude videos.)

Hi djsb,

If you run Disc-Cleanup then you might unselect "thumbnails" in the list of files to cleanup.

I hope this helps.

Regards
Picsoe

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:26:38 Z

Totally agree, I know have several programs to do things that I used to be able to do using windows. Personally I think explorer is the worst thing I've ever seen! It's almost as though they took many steps back with Vista SE(win7)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:34:48 Z

I have been evaluating Win7 RC on an older AthlonXP/ Nividia 6200/1 GB Ram system which can now triple boot into windows 7, Xp home or Ubuntu Linux. The install was relatively straightforward and fast and I was very happy that I could run the latest OS on modest hardware.
A few expected glitches-my old creative labs SB live card won't work, so I had to switch back to built in AC97 audio. I was expecting that older hardware like sound cards would have trouble, and they are easy to replace. I also have an old Xerox Workcentre laser copier/printer that no longer works because there are no Vista drivers. Again, people can expect to replace old printers which are inexpensive.

But, the thing that will keep me from buying Windows 7 now is the problem that I have lost network functionality that I once had under XP, namely the ability to access my XP computer's files and shared USB printer. Apparently, you can't add XP computers to your Homegroup unless they are running windows 7.
Is this a "feature" to force users to upgrade all PCs at once to windows 7?
I did change what settings I could for maximum compatibility such as making sure all PCs were in my MSHOME workgroup. It is not that I can't access all files on them; Windows 7 does allow me to play music and photos from them, so the network can see the other PCs. But, Windows 7 cannot "see" the shared USB printer on the XP machine on the network, and I have tried various workarounds I have seen in the forums. XP machines can see the windows 7 shared folder and its printer. It is just not user friendly or plug and play and is beyond what a consumer should be required to do.

I am simply not prepared to upgrade to windows 7 on all my PCs yet. You have to make it easy for people to add the new machines running windows 7 to existing networks running XP. If security is the main concern, add a wizard which can burn a network install to CD or USB flash drive, that you can bring around to each PC to physically install a security password.

Now, if there was a way to build a Windows 7 RC "Live DVD" (ala Linux) that could be tried out on my XP machines without changing my existing machines, and it could prove the superiority of the new OS running on existing hardware, I would put the live DVD in all the machines and test out the network.
(The Linux Live CDs are remarkable tools which I have used to save XP machines which can't boot).

Then, marketing gurus, sell us a Windows 7 retail XP upgrade license for 3 machines, (such as what is used for the Office student and teacher edition). I will eventually buy new PCs with the latest Windows 7, but I do subscribe to the "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" idea when it comes to upgrades.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 18:40:00 Z

Totally agree, I know have several programs to do things that I used to be able to do using windows. Personally I think explorer is the worst thing I've ever seen! It's almost as though they took many steps back with Vista SE(win7)

Each windows version includes a less and less useful explorer. Go back to Norton Commander, and see all the things it did in DOS age, which are missing today.

I ever liked the capability of opening two windows, with a tree for each one. last time i see it in windows, was in 3.1 (or 95?). (well, in Windows in 7 is possible to drag one winodw to left, and other to the right).

I are planning in my own pen drive set of applications to replace all the missing windows features with third party software, because I no more can count with all the necessary tools in windows each time I need to fix someting on a machine.

I abandoned MS mail software with vista, since it included a buggy application, incompatible with Outlook Express; and no, I will not install a single one Windows live anything. I no more trust Microsoft to guarantee version compatibility. It's over.

Edit: And I will NOT reboot in "safe mode" to get administrator rights, and do all the pet jumps to edit super protected files. I will boot from a Linux Live CD, and do anything I want.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:01:32 Z

Totally agree, I know have several programs to do things that I used to be able to do using windows. Personally I think explorer is the worst thing I've ever seen! It's almost as though they took many steps back with Vista SE(win7)

Each windows version includes a less and less useful explorer. Go back to Norton Commander, and see all the things it did in DOS age, which are missing today.

--Agree on that, a windows commander style explorer option would be great--

I ever liked the capability of opening two windows, with a tree for each one. last time i see it in windows, was in 3.1 (or 95?). (well, in Windows in 7 is possible to drag one winodw to left, and other to the right).

--??--

I are planning in my own pen drive set of applications to replace all the missing windows features with third party software, because I no more can count with all the necessary tools in windows each time I need to fix someting on a machine.

--Well for any of those tools to be even concidered to be added you need to mention what you want. Saying I need to have 3rd party apps to fix stuff does not help--

I abandoned MS mail software with vista, since it included a buggy application, incompatible with Outlook Express; and no, I will not install a single one Windows live anything. I no more trust Microsoft to guarantee version compatibility. It's over.

--Buggy in what way I never had problems in vista. Was using outlook express, moved to vista version (ms mail) and no problems. Any how office outlook rules for me. Excuse my ignorance but what have programs from windows live got to do with version compatibility?? If they are ment to run on vista they will not work on xp no surprise there. I was pissed off that windows movie maker was removed well now it is part of windows live but no compatibility problems at all--

Edit: And I will NOT reboot in "safe mode" to get administrator rights, and do all the pet jumps to edit super protected files. I will boot from a Linux Live CD, and do anything I want.

--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:12:08 Z

Another thing I am asking to consider.

The new taskbar is great, everything about it is great. Well almost, one thing is a problem.
When I use internet explorer it is all fine but if I open more than one tap it starts to be a problem. I mean if I want to get IE back by clicking on an icon I have to select which tab. Just get it back to full screen to last used tab by clicking on IE icon and all will be fine. The pages preview that shows when you hover over IE icon is good but if I decide to bring IE up without selecting any specific tab I cannot. Also today I had 15 tabs open (looking for a job). I had to minimize IE to find items on desktop and I had no way to go back to tab I was using. I had to click on A tab and look for one I used. Later on I started using ALT+TAB to go back to IE which there is showed as one application.

To give you an example. In vista open 20 folders and try find one specific one, especially if name of each folder is similar.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:32:14 Z

WMP12, whishlist:
- native support of ID3V2 tags
- support for ReplayGain values in ID3V2 tags
- a choice of writing ASF "tags" or ID3V2 tags, e.g. when WMP calculates "volume normalization"

Thanks

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:36:32 Z

Could something be done about the blacking out of the monitor whenever a popup box, "Do you want XXXXXX to be able to change computer settings" etc. opens up, the blacked out screen can last for 2-3 seconds and is very disconcerting, I keep thinking that the computer has crashed or something.

It's not even as though I'm running it on a particulary slow pc, it gets a performance rating of 5.5

I don't like the way Windows update works with 7. If I've downloaded and installed the updates I'd rather not see them still listed the next time that I check for updates, though I do like the action centre as it found the chipset driver from the internet that I'd not got round to installing, even if it did take a couple of attempts to get it to install correctly.

All in all, I like it though as with most things it will take some getting used to, with the way that some things are layed out. Just as it was with getting used to XP after using Win 98 though in time I'm as sure I'd get to like this just as much.

Any idea's on UK pricing yet?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:39:41 Z

CTRL+Click to go back to the last active instance of a program. An option to turn off IE tabs showing as individual windows in the taskbar is available as well.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:46:22 Z

Each windows version includes a less and less useful explorer. Go back to Norton Commander, and see all the things it did in DOS age, which are missing today.

--Agree on that, a windows commander style explorer option would be great--

-- Agreed too. +1 Windows Explorer REALLY needs a complete overhaul.

I ever liked the capability of opening two windows, with a tree for each one. last time i see it in windows, was in 3.1 (or 95?). (well, in Windows in 7 is possible to drag one winodw to left, and other to the right).

--??--

-- I didn´t understood well this too. I could select 2 Windows Explorer windows using CTRL and right click to set "Side by side" Is it?

I are planning in my own pen drive set of applications to replace all the missing windows features with third party software, because I no more can count with all the necessary tools in windows each time I need to fix someting on a machine.

--Well for any of those tools to be even concidered to be added you need to mention what you want. Saying I need to have 3rd party apps to fix stuff does not help--

-- I can do a list, but for me, the most needed for now are:
1) Need a app to be able to choose the pictures I want and the ones I don´t want to import when I plug a digital camera.
2) Need a app to see fast the free space in the partition I´m working and the sum of file sizes of the folder I´m working, once the new Windows explorer statusbar is useless (anyone have such a program? I really need it!)
3) App to listen to web radio in a EASY way. WMP is becoming worse to do this every new version. WMP10 did it perfectly, 11 is a little harder, in the new 12, I could not find a way to browse webradios. Am I missing something?

I abandoned MS mail software with vista, since it included a buggy application, incompatible with Outlook Express; and no, I will not install a single one Windows live anything. I no more trust Microsoft to guarantee version compatibility. It's over.

--Buggy in what way I never had problems in vista. Was using outlook express, moved to vista version (ms mail) and no problems. Any how office outlook rules for me. Excuse my ignorance but what have programs from windows live got to do with version compatibility?? If they are ment to run on vista they will not work on xp no surprise there. I was pissed off that windows movie maker was removed well now it is part of windows live but no compatibility problems at all--

- I can´t say anything about it, because I never use a mail program. I´m so used to use webmail, and it do all I need. In fact, Im glad they removed Windows Mail from 7, one less thing to bloat it.

Edit: And I will NOT reboot in "safe mode" to get administrator rights, and do all the pet jumps to edit super protected files. I will boot from a Linux Live CD, and do anything I want.

--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--

- Well, Im a windows user since the 3.1 version. And a computer tech since Win95. Im far beyound the regular user, and I KNOW what to do in a windows box. My account says ADMINISTRATOR, and, guess what? I WANT to be a administrator. I can change my account to a "regular" one if I want, but, no, I want to be, and I currently AM a admin.

Now, the curious history. Yesterday I had a problem with the mp3 codec in windows. I wanted to do a test (like I already did many times in windows xp) and wanted to rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak (in the SYSTEM32 folder), so I can put a new file there and do my tests.
BUT, the system don´t let me do that! It says something like: You need a Trusted Installer to change this file" ... well... I don´t have a "trusted installer" because I´m manually doing a test. I AM the admin, and so far, I TRUST myself. WHY I don´t have a prompt or a UAC, wharever, ASKING: Do you want to do? And I can anwser YES. But, no, as I already said once, windows 7 have a really bad habit to say NOT ALLOWED in your face, despite the fact it´s "talking" to an administrator.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 19:51:41 Z

CTRL+Click to go back to the last active instance of a program. An option to turn off IE tabs showing as individual windows in the taskbar is available as well.

I knew about the CTRL+Click, but I´m another one that wanted to be able to just click and have the last active windows to get focus. No need to have the same behaviour (show thumbnails) with 2 actions, the click AND mouse hovering. Hover is enough. If I click, just give me the last window, much better than having to use a mouse AND keyboard to do a task that used to be easier.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:27 Z

I am using RC x64 at home and RC x86 at work, and on both systems, which I connect to a Windows 2003 Server in windowed mode (usually 1024x768, where my display is set to 1920x1200) the window is placed in the upper left corner. If I move the window, it resizes itself to about 60%. Normally I would just maximize the window to get it to its full size again, but then if I move it again, it resizes itself again. I have to resize the window manually by pulling out the edges of the window to get it to stick. This is an annoyance that should be fixed.

I will note however, this does not occur when connecting via RDP to a Windows 2008 Server, or a Windows XP Pro box.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:42 Z

Could something be done about the blacking out of the monitor whenever a popup box, "Do you want XXXXXX to be able to change computer settings" etc. opens up, the blacked out screen can last for 2-3 seconds and is very disconcerting, I keep thinking that the computer has crashed or something.

Control panel > User accounts > Change user account control settings
or
Start > type "uac" and click "Change user account control settings"

Set the slider to step 2: Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer (do not dim my desktop )

Cheers!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:20:07 Z

CTRL+Click to go back to the last active instance of a program. An option to turn off IE tabs showing as individual windows in the taskbar is available as well.

How mate??

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:26:21 Z

--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--

- Well, Im a windows user since the 3.1 version. And a computer tech since Win95. Im far beyound the regular user, and I KNOW what to do in a windows box. My account says ADMINISTRATOR, and, guess what? I WANT to be a administrator. I can change my account to a "regular" one if I want, but, no, I want to be, and I currently AM a admin.

Now, the curious history. Yesterday I had a problem with the mp3 codec in windows. I wanted to do a test (like I already did many times in windows xp) and wanted to rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak (in the SYSTEM32 folder), so I can put a new file there and do my tests.
BUT, the system don´t let me do that! It says something like: You need a Trusted Installer to change this file" ... well... I don´t have a "trusted installer" because I´m manually doing a test. I AM the admin, and so far, I TRUST myself. WHY I don´t have a prompt or a UAC, wharever, ASKING: Do you want to do? And I can anwser YES. But, no, as I already said once, windows 7 have a really bad habit to say NOT ALLOWED in your face, despite the fact it´s "talking" to an administrator.

Tested it, no problem to change the name of file you mentioned. See photos.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii70/Ruscik/Capture1.jpg?t=1242937959

http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii70/Ruscik/?action=view&current=Capture2.jpg

http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii70/Ruscik/?action=view&current=Capture3.jpg

I wonder if snipping tool was added for testing?! :D

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 20:35:39 Z

--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--

- Well, Im a windows user since the 3.1 version. And a computer tech since Win95. Im far beyound the regular user, and I KNOW what to do in a windows box. My account says ADMINISTRATOR, and, guess what? I WANT to be a administrator. I can change my account to a "regular" one if I want, but, no, I want to be, and I currently AM a admin.

Now, the curious history. Yesterday I had a problem with the mp3 codec in windows. I wanted to do a test (like I already did many times in windows xp) and wanted to rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak (in the SYSTEM32 folder), so I can put a new file there and do my tests.
BUT, the system don´t let me do that! It says something like: You need a Trusted Installer to change this file" ... well... I don´t have a "trusted installer" because I´m manually doing a test. I AM the admin, and so far, I TRUST myself. WHY I don´t have a prompt or a UAC, wharever, ASKING: Do you want to do? And I can anwser YES. But, no, as I already said once, windows 7 have a really bad habit to say NOT ALLOWED in your face, despite the fact it´s "talking" to an administrator.

Just tested it with the same file you mentiond. No problem in changing it's name.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 21:13:07 Z

I'm seeing a weird bug where the bottom 3rd of my start menu is occasionally gone. the search box, log off button, and everything up to the Run... menu item are gone. if I unpin or pin something to the start menu and click start a few times, it's back to normal.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:04:11 Z

I'm on dial-up (yeah, I know... not my fault - I live in the boonies) and my nice little docked modem icon no longer shows the connection speed and I cannot find any way to determine it.

Built my own i7-920, Asus P6T, 6GB, 1TB Caviar Black, 4870 with 1GB.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:16:21 Z

I'm seeing a weird bug where the bottom 3rd of my start menu is occasionally gone. the search box, log off button, and everything up to the Run... menu item are gone. if I unpin or pin something to the start menu and click start a few times, it's back to normal.

Yes, this is an annoying (if minor) little bug - I have encountered it a couple times.

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:16:42 Z

I have been using Windows 7 for a couple of weeks now. And so far I am enjoying the experience. I am a desktop, icon and shell junkie so I am constantly customizing my interface to provide me with a functional and visually pleasing environment.

After a program is pinned to the taskbar it is no longer possible to change the icon. I would like to see a "properties" option available when right clicking so that I can change the icon to one of my choosing.
It is not possible to use .png images as icons. These are readily available at sites such as wincustomize, etc. so it would be advantageous to be able to take advantage of these to create a unique and customized desktop experience. Alternatively I can use a program to change it to an .ico file, but that is an extra step that could easily be avoided.
There seems to be too much space between the icons. It could be tightened up more or at least we should have the option to choose how much space between the icons there should be in the taskbar properties menu.
Speaking of icons, would it be possible to create a "super icons" folder where ALL icons in the system (including icons from installed apps) would appear? The icons included with Windows are weak at best (sorry!) and need to be updated to something more visually appealing.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:21:51 Z

I am using RC x64 at home and RC x86 at work, and on both systems, which I connect to a Windows 2003 Server in windowed mode (usually 1024x768, where my display is set to 1920x1200) the window is placed in the upper left corner. If I move the window, it resizes itself to about 60%. Normally I would just maximize the window to get it to its full size again, but then if I move it again, it resizes itself again. I have to resize the window manually by pulling out the edges of the window to get it to stick. This is an annoyance that should be fixed.

I will note however, this does not occur when connecting via RDP to a Windows 2008 Server, or a Windows XP Pro box.

Additional information... I've found that this problem is only occuring on my saved RDP links. I have a bunch for each server I connect to. They are all set to 1024x768, and when I connect using the saved link the window is not full size and I have to manually resize it to get it to stick.

But if I connect using teh Remote Desktop Connection program, type in the server name and select my display config to 1024x768... it opens the connection with the window full size, and I can move it without it resizing itself too small.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:27:28 Z

>I ever liked the capability of opening two windows, with a tree for each one. Last time I see it in windows, was in 3.1 (or 95?). (well, in Windows in 7 is possible to drag one window to left, and other to the right).
>
>--??--
>-- I didn´t understood well this too. I could select 2 Windows Explorer windows using CTRL and right click to set "Side by side" Is it?

I mean, In XP and vista was necessary to open 2 windows, then minimize all except those 2 windows, and tile them vertically. Is much easier on Win7 to open 2 windows, and drag each one to a side (they are automatically set to half screen). Thumbs up for it.

>I are planning in my own pen drive set of applications to replace all the missing windows features with third party software, because I no more can count with all the necessary tools in windows each time I need to fix someting on a machine.
>
>--Well for any of those tools to be even concidered to be added you need to mention what you want. Saying I need to have 3rd party apps to fix stuff does not help--

the list is laaaaargue.

Some tools:

-A file manager. Windows explorer is too broken. Write an IP on it, and it starts IE /Firefox. SSL anyone?

-Tool for making bootable pen drive.

-Tool for fixing boot. Vista tool needs a gui, is too poor, and cannot be trusted. Linux GRUB does a far better job. Is really important when a virus (or an antivirus) write on the boot sector, or destroy some windows startup file.

-Live CD. When something doesn’t works, you start Linux, and see immediately if it is a hardware malfunctioning, or windows software problem. Installation Windows CD, and console are too poor.

-Nero or Alcohol 120%. ¿how do you create an ISO with vista/Win7? Don’t let me start. Win7 can burn an ISO, but came on. It is nothing. If you need to buy software to do basic use for your hardware, why you payed for Windows?

-Gparted/Partition Magic. Vista resizing partitions was nice idea, but almost never works.

-A real defrag tool. Vista/Win7 do NOT let you free space at the end of the disk, to be able to reduce the partition size. And you can’t have a slight idea on what files they defrag.

-Did you ever tried to read scandisk results?. Why is necessary to go to administrative tools, and see logs?

-RAMDisk. Do not question it.

-The WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, WORST, idea MS ever had, was the awful, hyper dangerous Autorun.inf file. IT IS AN OPEN DOOR, WITH INVITATION AND RED CARPET FOR VIRUS. Virus spread like crazy on pen drives, making use of the autorun... On XP, it ever did, on any computer, installed tweakUI, and disabled Autorun for any drive. I found up to 10 virus on some pen drives, making use of the same Autorun.inf file. You can’t control it. People carry his own notebook to the company, or use it for a conference. Then people want to share some files, and anybody gets a free bunch of virus. It is pure Microsoft guilt and shame, so, I ever carry a copy of Tweak UI.

-CPU-Z. Do not ask why. Also GPU-Z.

-Partimage… and almost anything on SytemRescue LiveCD . You buy 10 computers, install one, with any driver, programs, printers, anything, make a partition image, and copy it on any other disk.

-Virtual drive emulator. Capable of loading ISO files.

-ISO file editor.

-nLite for Win7. Each time I need to install XP on a computer without 3 ½ drive, I need to burn a new CD. Why MS thinks that Win7 will support ANY future device on installation? Still did not learn from experience?

-Winrar or 7-zip. They such important and basic tools, that are the first software I ever install on a new machine. Win7 don’t even know what a RAR file is.

-PDF reader. Almost any software include a version of Acrobat reader.

-Common file formats reader. Even Microsoft offers free office readers, so why they are not included in Win7?

-This is a big one: most notebooks do NOT include a windows installation CD. They include a windows recovery tool, or just an image on hard disk. Lots of times, the user try to “restore” the system, and it gets formatted. They cry and despair for his lost data. There are lots of tools for formatted partition recovery, none included with windows. A shame.

-A virtual printer, to share any printer. I cannot install ,on Windows 7 64b, a shared printer running on 32 bit, because there are no drivers. Up to vista, it downloads the driver from the host machine. ¿What if a virus writes itself on the printer driver? A virtual printer is absolutely needed. Windows include nothing.

Bosses do not want to update an OS, if they breaks an old printer compatibility. That old printer costed 1000$, and even if a new, better one cost 300$, bosses are not rational. They don’t want to waste 1000$ printers, so NO “Windows 7”.

>-- I can do a list, but for me, the most needed for now are:
>1) Need a app to be able to choose the pictures I want and the ones I don´t want to import when I plug a digital camera.

That is a good one.

>2) Need a app to see fast the free space in the partition I´m working and the sum of file sizes of the folder I´m working, once the new Windows explorer statusbar is useless (anyone have such a program? I really need it!)

+1 to it.

Also, I want to right click a folder, and search on it and his subdirectories. I had it on XP, and want it.

>3) App to listen to web radio in a EASY way. WMP is becoming worse to do this every new version. WMP10 did it perfectly, 11 is a little harder, in the new 12, I could not find a way to browse webradios. Am I missing something?

I just abandoned WMP years ago. There is much better software.

>I abandoned MS mail software with vista, since it included a buggy application, incompatible with Outlook Express; and no, I will not install a single one Windows live anything. I no more trust Microsoft to guarantee version compatibility. It's over.
>
>--Buggy in what way I never had problems in vista.

It was crammed with bugs. I don’t remember clearly, but one of the more annoying was to create or import a folder, then deleting it, and trying to repeat the process. Windows mail did awful things like do not delete the folder a second time. Not even a message warning that the folder cannot be deleted, and the explanation of the cause. It simply did nothing.

Since all the rest of the os was such a (insert bad words here, be creative). I downgraded back to XP. But MS offered not a single tool to convert Windows mail messages and folders back to Outlook Express.

So going back was a inferno…. And I downgraded dozens and dozens of vista back to XP. The process was so painful, (and I lost any trust I had on MS) that I told all the people possible to do not use MS mail software never again. I converted people even to webmail (nothing from MS, of course), or Thunderbird. That software has his problems, but they are more probable to keep compatibility, and not to ruin my life on an upgrade.

I just was happy to hear that MS does no more include mail software on Windows 7. I don’t want it even for free, and I don’t want to support it. Never more.

>Was using outlook express, moved to vista version (ms mail) and no problems. Any how office outlook rules for me. Excuse my ignorance but what have programs from windows live got to do with version compatibility?? If they are ment to run on vista they will not work on xp no surprise there. I was pissed off that windows movie maker was removed well now it is part of windows live but no compatibility problems at all--

Backward compatibility is important. No backward compatibility -> no customer. Anyway, I don’t care if MS promises future backward compatibility. I don’t trust anymore. It can’t be fixed.

>- I can´t say anything about it, because I never use a mail program. I´m so used to use webmail, and it do all I need. In fact, Im glad they removed Windows Mail from 7, one less thing to bloat it.

Totally agree.

>Edit: And I will NOT reboot in "safe mode" to get administrator rights, and do all the pet jumps to edit super protected files. I will boot from a Linux Live CD, and do anything I want.
>
>--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--
weeks ago, a virus infected a dude computer at work. I formatted his Windows partition, buit not his data partition.

Still on his data partition, remained a folder with virus executable. The folder had strange permissions, and it was no way to delete it. I got full Administrator permissions to delete it, but still the new installed windows denied me the right to delete it.

Lots of folders had those permissions, and it caused lots of trouble. The user did not wanted me to format his data, because he needed to work. The only solution was a Linux Live CD. As a root, I did anything I wanted. At my risk. Is MY right.

>- Well, Im a windows user since the 3.1 version. And a computer tech since Win95. Im far

…

>"talking" to an administrator.

Lucky you :) –I envy your life-

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:44:29 Z

After a program is pinned to the taskbar it is no longer possible to change the icon. I would like to see a "properties" option available when right clicking so that I can change the icon to one of my choosing.

Right-click on the big icon, right-click on program's name again, click properties, knock yourself out :D

As for feature to set .pngs as icons, there is one thing -- icons are optimized for their respective sizes -- 16x16, 32x32, 128x128 etc. If you use png's you'd must use one image for all sizes, since pngs can't hold multiple images in one file. So it'd be convenient , but not good -- if you really want to use your pngs, google for "png to ico converter" :)

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:50:48 Z

The ability to change the icon displayed for a specific file type would be nice. The advanced file types modification ability is now gone since Vista it appears. Somehow my .doc file association got to the small MS Word icon rather than the larger icon with paper and a "W" Word icon. Really visually confusing when your used to one specific icon for all your documents.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 22:54:16 Z

After a program is pinned to the taskbar it is no longer possible to change the icon. I would like to see a "properties" option available when right clicking so that I can change the icon to one of my choosing.
Right-click on the big icon, right-click on program's name again, click properties, knock yourself out :D

As for feature to set .pngs as icons, there is one thing -- icons are optimized for their respective sizes -- 16x16, 32x32, 128x128 etc. If you use png's you'd must use one image for all sizes, since pngs can't hold multiple images in one file. So it'd be convenient , but not good -- if you really want to use your pngs, google for "png to ico converter" :)

Regards, Kristaps.

Common people will not want to care about file formats. They just want to use an image. Is Windows duty to convert *.* to .ICO

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 23:05:36 Z

Speaking of icons, would it be possible to create a "super icons" folder where ALL icons in the system (including icons from installed apps) would appear? The icons included with Windows are weak at best (sorry!) and need to be updated to something more visually appealing.

You mean like the Fonts folder? Yes please.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 21 May 2009 23:15:29 Z

W7 RC doesn't recognize my Windows Home Server as a backup solution in the Action Center. It's notifying me that I have no backup set up. I would expect that even though I don't have "Windows Backup" configured or turned on, it would recognize that I have Windows Home Server set to back up my files.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:15:59 Z

And again back to Quickstart...
I like the new pinning-feature and I would be happy if there weren't some strange behaviours. My goal: To open the Computer "folder" (don't know how to name it in english, I mean this normal overview of partitions, optical drives and so on) directly from the taskbar. First I thought "this couldn't be so difficult". Well, I was wrong:

I tried to pin the Computer to the taskbar as a shortcut: absolutely not possible. Why? Only possibility is to add a "Computer" menu point in the explorer icon rightclick menu, which is a bit cumbersome to use. And why is there no option to choose in which folder explorer opens when I start it through the taskbar? It always shows my Library by default, which I don't really use.
OK, but I got used to it after a while. Next problem: Somewhen I deleted this menu point by accident. Now I can't add it again!! I tried much, but Windows doesn't want to give me the possibility to add this Computer link :-(
OK, I then thought, let's make a new toolbar with a shortcut to Computer. Now again problems: First is, this toolbar is removed after every reboot! I always have to create it new. [Second is, when I activate big symbols for this toolbar, the symbol(s) are too big, so the taskbar resizes and a free space appears under all the other elements.]
So now there is really no way to put a damn Computer shortcut to the taskbar!! How annoying...

Next thing: I find the icons in the taskbar quite too wide. There could be much more space when they were a bit more narrow.

And now to a different, very strange bug:
I have created a Ghost image called "D 20.5." without an ending. Afterwards, I wanted to give the file its correct ending: ".gho". But everytime I have edited the name (no matter what I wrote), a window appeares and tells me the element has not been found. A click on retry produces the warning again and again, and when I cancel, the name is the old again. After a while of testing I found out:
It is NOT possible to rename this file!
It is NOT possible to copy or move this file anywhere! (Same error message appears)
When I rename a file so that it ends with a dot, sometimes it disappears after renaming and is visible only after I open its parent folder new.
Windows doesn't seem to like dots at the end of a file name; they always disappear. That probably has a connection with the ominous behaviour of my ghost file because it has its end dot...

Something different:
Sometimes the task manager shows 70-80% CPU usage for a while, but there is no process listed that causes this work?! Is this a bug, and how can I find out what program uses my processor?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:33:18 Z

My goal: To open the Computer "folder" (don't know how to name it in english, I mean this normal overview of partitions, optical drives and so on) directly from the taskbar.

Have you even tried looking for how to do it? There are a lots of tutorials + I posted it on this forum too.

First you have to pin the whole Windows Explorer to the taskbar, then right-click on the icon, right click on Windows Explorer again, choose properties and replace Target with this: %windir%\explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}::

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:44:21 Z

My goal: To open the Computer "folder" (don't know how to name it in english, I mean this normal overview of partitions, optical drives and so on) directly from the taskbar.
Have you even tried looking for how to do it? There are a lots of tutorials + I posted it on this forum too.

First you have to pin the whole Windows Explorer to the taskbar, then right-click on the icon, right click on Windows Explorer again, choose properties and replace Target with this: %windir%\explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}::

Regards, Kristaps.

How many average users are going to figure that one out (or are going to come look on the Technet forums)? I am not saying the person is an average user - my point is that coming up with a convoluted work around may be good for people here but it hardly serves most users. While I am impressed with Windows 7 (almost aross the board), this is the sort of thing that should be posted here since it is something a lot of people would like to do and is not at all intuiitive. It at least isn't one of the unending (and annoying) make Windows 7 just like XP and I'll be happy posts. Questioning whether someone "even tried" when they preface things with "don't know how to name it in english" is a bit much.

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:47:18 Z

Something different:
Sometimes the task manager shows 70-80% CPU usage for a while, but there is no process listed that causes this work?! Is this a bug, and how can I find out what program uses my processor?

Did you check Show Processes from All Users" in Task Manager? I've encountered a couple cases where the numbers don't quite add up even when showing all processes but have never seen that big of a discrepancy....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:49:17 Z

%windir%\explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}::

I always feel a boost in self-confidence when I fully understand what I'm doing. That's why I make such an effort at it.

If by chance I forget that, I can reason it out again later.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 00:57:28 Z

After a program is pinned to the taskbar it is no longer possible to change the icon. I would like to see a "properties" option available when right clicking so that I can change the icon to one of my choosing.
Right-click on the big icon, right-click on program's name again, click properties, knock yourself out :D

As for feature to set .pngs as icons, there is one thing -- icons are optimized for their respective sizes -- 16x16, 32x32, 128x128 etc. If you use png's you'd must use one image for all sizes, since pngs can't hold multiple images in one file. So it'd be convenient , but not good -- if you really want to use your pngs, google for "png to ico converter" :)

Regards, Kristaps.
Common people will not want to care about file formats. They just want to use an image. Is Windows duty to convert *.* to .ICO

yes! You want to be user friendly? Instead of just taking away features and hiding stuff from me, how about if you actually DO something for me, like sparing me the hassle of finding a graphic program or a plugin that supports your old windows only format?

Another windows explorer regression: newly created files no longer show up, or at least not consistently. You have to hit F5 to refresh. One more thing that wasn't a problem in XP but is now apparently too hard in 7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 01:05:48 Z

You have to hit F5 to refresh.

Else there'd be a gap between F4 and F6.

@Stephen: Some of us are not bellyaching to return to XP. We just wanted to see Vista features completed. Not deleted. Small difference, eh?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 01:21:09 Z

I turned off the Aero Snap features (via the accessability options) because I kept snapping my windows by accident when I really just wanted to shift them around my desktop, or drag them to another monitor. However this also turned off the Win+ArrowKey and Win+Shift+ArrowKey shortcuts, which I frequently like to use. Could there be a way to separate these into two distinct features so we can turn off one while keeping the other?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 09:01:14 Z

Scandisk remain a file on hd for a while
After the scandisk, I found a file on my hd... After a while the file disappeared... It's so fastidious and in Vista it doesn't happens...
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afterscandiskz.jpg

HD have always error?
Event Viewer say me I have an error on a hd (why it doesn't tell me which?)... I scandisk all my hd (my internal and my 2 external)... After this, it not found any error, but after a while, with only internal and one of the two external, again the error... Why scandisk not see me the error? And, there is really an error?
(Scandisk sucks more than 1 GB of RAM, yet...)
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afterscandiskz.jpg

Missing Icon...
Well, this is a strang error... It happens also with a format, but with a different program... An exe have the right icon if you see the properties, but have no icon in the shortcut or normally in windows explorer... See the image...
http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=missingicon.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=missingicon2.jpg
Update: today exe regain the right icon in windows explorer, but the shortcut no yet...

Window go away from the screen
For this bug I no have image, because it happens once for now, but when I installed SyncToy, I minimized it, but when I reopen the window, it's on the left top of the screen, and only an angle is visible... And I can't move it in any way...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 09:23:47 Z

For those of you hoping to find a way to use Win7 as a no-nonsense successor to XP, there are MANY things you can configure to get the system to work in a more familiar, work-oriented fashion. That said, as stated in many posts above, SOME features are simply missing, or near impossible to configure to work as in the past.

In setting up the system in this manner, here are some things I've discovered so far:

You CAN remove all the "pinned" things from the SuperBar and have it function as the familiar "Task Bar".

You CAN set up icons on your desktop to start your favorite apps.

You CAN set up Explorer icons that will start a new Explorer window every single time.

Dragging and dropping between two different Explorer windows works just fine.

You CAN network Win7 with your older systems on a home network.

You CAN turn off UAC completely, though you may not have to; it really is less intrusive.

You CAN minimize much of the chrome around windows so there's more room to get work done.

You CAN remove those silly big "shortcut" arrows from desktop icons.

You CAN turn on menus in Explorer and Internet Explorer.

You CAN turn off tabbed browsing in Internet Explorer.

Leave them alone for a while and the background functions such as Search Indexing don't seem to get in the way.

The number of processes and resource usage in Win7 is way down compared to Vista.

Win7 can run on older hardware, and runs just fine using a "Basic" (non-Aero) display theme.

Win7 is in many cases FASTER than XP.

Apps that work with Vista generally work right in Win7, surprisingly even fairly sophisticated ones that cut deep into the system.

Office 2003 works fine.

Just a few negatives:

Unfortunately, there appears to be no less "magic" (i.e., unexpected or "we know better" behavior) in Explorer in Win7 than Vista.

There is no definitive way to show file (modified, created, accessed) times to the second in Explorer.

The Network icon in the System Tray does not animate to show network activity.

As with every new system, there are a lot of devices not yet supported by drivers, and old devices that will never again be supported.

You CANNOT configure the Start button to deliver a Classic start menu experience to less flexible users.

I certainly have not discovered everything yet about configuring Win7 as a "to work" successor to XP, but I have made great strides and I can tell you this: Get to know it and you will find Win7 is a breath of fresh air overall.

My advice: If you cannot find out how to do something you're familiar with, don't complain about it but rather keep looking, browse the forums, and see if workarounds discovered for Vista work in Win7 (usually they do).

I hope this helps some of you gain the confidence to look more deeply into Win7.

-Noel

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 11:17:17 Z

Re. Windows 7 RC

Not a bad OS, I managed to install it on my Dell Inspiron Mini 9 with 16Gb SSD after shutting XP down.

Pros: -

- Better interface than Windows XP

- Much more responsive to input than XP

- More efficient desktop space than XP, you can have more programs running

- Taskbar and Menu bar is very ingenious with the pin, unpin feature

- Leaves XP for dead on a Netbook in terms of features

Cons: -

- Slightly slower to boot, than a XP bare bones install

- Main Control panel takes some getting used to, I recommend small icon view

To get the dual boot running I had to use a shareware version of partition magic to create a second partition and used the XP shell to install it, not much disk space left but this is not a problem as it's only a Netbook.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 12:28:05 Z

I wanted to see if the interface really scales better than in Vista when the text size is changed, so I went to "Screen resolution" -> "Make text and other items bigger or smaller", then selected "Medium - 125%". When I logged back in, everything seemed to scale well, so I reverted the setting to "Smaller - 100%". The result was that some text returned to the original size, but in most applications it became too small (see: http://serengeti.barnebhuah.org/~slawek/win7/small.png - note firefox and the context menu) I went back to text size settings and switched them to "Larger - 150%" and at the next login back to "Smaller - 100%", and the small text got even smaller than before: http://serengeti.barnebhuah.org/~slawek/win7/tiny.png

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 12:38:20 Z

Photo Rotation

When photos are viewed in Windows Explorer, Media Centre or any Default Windows photo viewing software, the EXIF information for photo orientation is ignored and photos are displayed exactly as stored, not rotated to be displayed the right way up. The orientation flag is not even displayed in the Details tab of the JPGs properties.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 13:28:54 Z

I have the mother of all suggestions... FOR REAL... I'll love to se Windows Explorer with TABS... that's right... T A B S... Like IExplorer, Firefox, etc... Why not?? You've seen that every user is happy and excited when they browse in IE, etc with TABS... there is a program that does this in XP, QT TabBar, but remember when IExplore 6 didn't have tabs?? Everyone changed to Firefox or Opera (including me) ... So don't loose big market because of this... I really hope that you take notice of these suggestion...

And PLEASE if you readers like the idea...send more of this and support this so that windows take notice and put it in fast development

Regards

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 13:35:17 Z

I have the mother of all suggestions... FOR REAL... I'll love to se Windows Explorer with TABS... that's right... T A B S... Like IExplorer, Firefox, etc... Why not?? You've seen that every user is happy and excited when they browse in IE, etc with TABS... there is a program that does this in XP, QT TabBar, but remember when IExplore 6 didn't have tabs?? Everyone changed to Firefox or Opera (including me) ... So don't loose big market because of this... I really hope that you take notice of these suggestion...

And PLEASE if you readers like the idea...send more of this and support this so that windows take notice and put it in fast development

Regards

That is an amazing IDEA!

You should get an award for it.

here is your award: :)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 13:38:45 Z

I’d also like to express some thoughts about win7.
There are many good improvements. The look in general is nicer than that in Vista; I like the new Start menu, where many programs can have their own MRU lists; icons on the taskbar can be freely moved; And, of course, it’s faster than Vista.

But, unfortunately, the general impression is rather disappointing. These are the things I don’t like:

- Sleep mode is broken. By default it even grayed in the menu, but if I still use it (e.g. automatically by timeout, or by pressing ‘Sleep’ button on the keyboard) it tries to sleep, and then automatically reboots. The same with hibernate. Not only I have this problem, you can find in the internet other messages about it. Some people suggest turning off ‘Allow this device to wake up computer’ option in the network card settings, but for me, it did not help. (Needless to say, in XP/Vista on the same machine all worked fine).

- Drivers of my video card (ATI 9250) were completely removed, even from Microsoft’s server. Well, I agree, it’s quite an old card, but it was supported in Vista. But now, only “VGA compatible card” driver installed. Well, I downloaded drivers from the ATI site, but now every time I shut down or reboot the system BSOD appears.

- The new behavior of icons in the tray. In XP/Vista, a new installed program could place there its icon, and if you didn’t need it you could hide it. But now they’re hidden by default and you have to manually show them. But in order to do this I have to know that there is an icon. So, every time after installing a program I have to open the tray and see? Is this considered as convenience?

- The network icon in the tray. What was wrong with the previous icon, with two monitors blinking indicating the data transfer? It was convenient, but the current icon is simply useless. It shows nothing.

- When I press right mouse button on the Start menu, it doesn’t show the usual menu anymore. Only two items: Properties and Libraries. But how am I supposed to manually add programs there? (you know, there are programs not having installers, so you have to manually unpack them and add a shortcut in the Start menu). Was it done intentionally? Why? What RMB on Start menu has to do with libraries?

- The new model of grouping icons on the taskbar is an interesting one, still I’d prefer it were optional. For me, the old model was more convenient.

In general, I think Vista is even better. At least, the first two entries in this my list prevent me from normally using Win7.

I agree with the Network Tray Icon... It should show "Network Activity"... that's one of it's purpose... I don't think that it will botter a normal user... we complain about the Balloon Messages that were very anoying but NOT about a little network icon that blinks

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 13:53:03 Z

CD/DVD-ROM lost his visualization
When you open a drive, and select another visualization for this (Tiles, Small Icons), it lost your selection when you return in this folder, it only show like "Details"... If you remember, in Beta this problem wasn't...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 14:14:40 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2)>

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

I like the idea Tony.
Sure hope that MS can add it to Windows 7 !!

Regards
Picsoetje

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 15:47:14 Z

Many laptops made for consumers do NOT have a TPM. We still wish to take advantage of Bitlocker, but doing so requires jumping through a number of hoops! I would love to see a simple interface for those of us without TPM's, just like the interface for those with TPM's. "Click here to enable Bitlocker on this drive", "This computer does not have a TPM, would you like to use a USB key instead?" Do you understand that losing this key will result in the loss of data?" and so forth. Thanks!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 16:13:11 Z

I would like the file copying error "filename or extension too long" BANISHED once and for all. This unnecessarily snarls every large-volume file copy experience in Windows, and is a relic of the stone ages.

Here is the fix. Two parts:

1a. Instead of throwing an alert box for this error, throw a rename form that gives users the opportunity to rename the file on the fly. Also, change the rest of the options so instead of skip/cancel (which are ambiguous anyway), it should be "Skip This File" and "Cancel Batch".
1b. Meanwhile, why wait for the human brain to catch up? Windows continues copying other files in the background!
1c. At the end of the copy/move, Windows goes back to the files that were renamed, and moves those. It does not throw a "can't find the file" error.

2a. In the Control Panel, or in Registry, provide an option for the user to set a maximum filename length -- and give the user a recommended setting. (Why can't Windows figure out when it's copying a filepath that is going to get itself into trouble?)
2b. In Internet Explorer, provide an option for the user to allow IE to truncate any long HTML page titles. These are notorious offenders. Web developers see fit to cram everything but the kitchen sink into HTML page titles, and the User\Favorites directory is nested sufficiently deeply that Favorites ALWAYS run into renaming / copying / moving trouble.

Simple enough to get it into the final version of Win 7! Do you disagree? There's a small freeware app called Copy Handler that could be hacked in about an hour that would do it easily. Could Microsoft's dev team please take responsibility for ridding vast swaths of humanity of this perennial headache?

Thanks again! Fingers crossed!

BTW, I love Windows 7.

a.k.a.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 16:54:27 Z

Here's how I (and many other people) think the Taskbar-Folder behavior should be:
A: if you drag a folder to the Windows Explorer icon on the taskbar, it gets pinned io the Jump List . If you drag a file to this folder, it gets pinned too.
B: if you drag a folder to the Taskbar , it gets pinned to the Taskbar .

This behavior "update" would even let us create some sort of OSX-ish Stacks of files & folders, so that users wouldn't even need to make custom Start Menu toolbars just for their folders. Final result - pretty custom program & folder menus on taskbar! And everyone could just pin My Computer to the Taskbar , without having to manually change the shortcut's target!

Think about this, Microsoft! ;)

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 18:26:57 Z

I'm not near my Win7 computers this week, but when I set them up with a 23" HDMI Acer Monitor to get it to fit the screen you need to set Overscan to MAX.
and to get to the Overscan option you have to install the ATI CCC Panel.
For me I would guess the 1080p screens will become the norm for basic consumers. It would be nice that after a install your monitor just worked with no fixes.
I did noticed this week that Windows MCE has TweakUI MCE that has OverScan settings. Did they add this feature to Vista and 7? I could not find it if they did, and I'll look some more when I get home.
I have already had problems trying to get some TV's to look right with Overscan, This might be some of ATI's fault but it seems to me that Win7 really should add more settings for getting HDMI output to look right with out having to go find more software to make it work.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 18:37:44 Z

Dear developers!
I have posted and idea about how to improve explorer functionality in aother thread. Please point your attanetion:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/42e8820e-265e-4d9b-8027-a93e922b0e88/

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 18:42:16 Z

You said it right. It is ATI's responsibility to provide the correct drivers.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 19:45:37 Z

My goal: To open the Computer "folder" (don't know how to name it in english, I mean this normal overview of partitions, optical drives and so on) directly from the taskbar.
Have you even tried looking for how to do it? There are a lots of tutorials + I posted it on this forum too.

First you have to pin the whole Windows Explorer to the taskbar, then right-click on the icon, right click on Windows Explorer again, choose properties and replace Target with this: %windir%\explorer.exe ::{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}::

Regards, Kristaps.

How many average users are going to figure that one out (or are going to come look on the Technet forums)? I am not saying the person is an average user - my point is that coming up with a convoluted work around may be good for people here but it hardly serves most users. While I am impressed with Windows 7 (almost aross the board), this is the sort of thing that should be posted here since it is something a lot of people would like to do and is not at all intuiitive. It at least isn't one of the unending (and annoying) make Windows 7 just like XP and I'll be happy posts. Questioning whether someone "even tried" when they preface things with "don't know how to name it in english" is a bit much.

Stephen

Thank you, Kristaps and derosnec!
This tweak is really nice, but as derosnec said: A normal user doesn't want a strange command but an easy option. I wanted microsoft to make a menu to choose the destination folder which can't be that difficult to code...! Limitations like that simply reduce my "windows experience factor" :-)

@swyost:
Maybe I'm just to stupid, but I can't find this option anywhere in the task manager... Btw, I am the only user on my PC.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 19:50:14 Z

I love the new look of Windows 7. Its so beautiful and colorful and all. There is just one thing that i just want added in. remember the old folder customization feature from Windows 2000 and Windows 98. I want that added into Windows 7, then the operating can be even more customizable, beautiful, colorful, and wonderful.I just loved the folder customization feature. It was so nice being able to customize the background color or image of every folder and then the font color and font highlight for each folder as well... that was so cool. then there was the ability to add web content to folders. i just wish Microsoft would add that feature to Windows 7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 22:20:58 Z

you can do this... I have a background wallpaper even in my USB... you just have to find it in the internet.... it is done with a system hide folder called Folder Settings, I think, and inside that folder a background.jpg will be the background image...and a desktop.ini modified archive in the root of the usb to call Folder Settings... I know it's hard for the begginer user but it's not that hard...of course I agree with you that should be an easier way to do this like in 98 or 2000
Regards

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 22:25:36 Z

First I want to start off by saying that I really like Windows 7.
The new Smartbar is a great improvement.
Because I often have a lot of programs running at the same time, the smartbar is far less crowded than the former taskbar.
When you have many opened windows, it's also nice that they can be restored much faster, since I normally close some of them to make space on the taskbar.

There's one thing that I don't understand.
Why is the new "Show Desktop" rectangle not detachable nor movable?
When I'm working on a project, I put my project files on the desktop.
That way I can quickly drag them to the programs I like.
Working this way, I use the "Show Desktop" button a lot and directly afterwards I restore a minimized Window.
With the "Show Rectangle" at the far right, I have to do a lot of cursor moving with my touchpad.
If you make it detachable, I would put it next to the start button.

I have read that it's possible to restore the old "Show Desktop"
button, but I think that a small rectangle is a great improvement since it doesn't take up so much space.

I hope you can achieve this in the final release or that a registry setting or Powertoy becomes available.

Yours sincerely,

Edwin

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 22:38:29 Z

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpronetworking/thread/cff8b61e-11ec-47f9-bc4b-72664531beb5?prof=required&ppud=4

Windows 7 - worked great for me for the first two weeks or so. Since then anytime I do any streaming of networkdata the network connection drops out and continues to be reset. I have used the "Send FeedBack" sent automated bug-reports and posted to the forum above.

At some point the moderator changed the status of my post from "unanswered question" to "general conversation" which is incorrect. This is a vital and unresolved issue, that others are apparently having also. It

I have tried numerous solutions and nothing has come close to working.

I don't see how one can put out a beta for a modern operating system that can't stream network-data, and not provide any formal-support forum for such a critical issue, and not have addressed it with a live update in the past 4 months.

I have not bought a Microsoft product since my 2001 OEM edition of Windows-XP, and I thougt after nearly a decade, I would give you guys another try. I understand this is a beta and there will be issues. Unfortunetly this is a criticle issue, that is not being addressed.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 23:13:40 Z

you can do this... I have a background wallpaper even in my USB... you just have to find it in the internet.... it is done with a system hide folder called Folder Settings, I think, and inside that folder a background.jpg will be the background image...and a desktop.ini modified archive in the root of the usb to call Folder Settings... I know it's hard for the begginer user but it's not that hard...of course I agree with you that should be an easier way to do this like in 98 or 2000
Regards

i know how to modify desktop.ini and whatnot, but it seems like desktop.ini works defferently in Vista and Windows Vista and Windows 7 than the file did in the older versions of Windows. I used to be able to custm write the file if it did not exist or use the ultility, but now i cannot. I just took the utility out of Windows 2000 itself for use in Windows XP. I even kind of studied the desktop.ini file so i know how the folder customization folder stuff works so that i can just write the code myslf without using the utilities.

since Windows 7 does not seem to support the Windows 2000 style folder customization stuff, i just think that microsoft should start supporting it again. In XP i used to use it all the time, but i never got a chance to use it in vista. and microsoft never acceptd my request to put this feature back in yet. i just wish they would put this feature back in.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 23:16:02 Z

BUG: i have a folder included in a library. If I navigate to the folder going through Libraries > library name > folder, when I search for a file I know exists, it finds nothing. However, if I navigate to the folder the usual way Computer > drive > folder, then searching works.

After a bit of experimenting, I figured out the problem: apparently if the folder is included in a library but the folder is not indexed, searching will find nothing. Mind you, I'm not trying to search file content, I'm just searching by file name.

Just because I don't have something indexed, searching shouldn't stop working! Of course win7 tells me search may be slow b/c the folder isn't indexed; it doesn't tell me search isn't working and I shouldn't bother! Nice.

This is another instance where the seemingly more user friendly win7 is actually more headache inducing than XP. In XP, the search dialog is very clear: you can search for file name and optionally for file content. In 7, if the folder is indexed, then it will search for content (by default). There isn't an obvious way to search just file names or to include file content. You have to go into search options to change. The average users will not know the difference, and will be baffled when they can't find something they know is there b/c they want to search for file content in a location that's happened to be unindexed, or conversely, will be annoyed to get seemingly irrelevant results when they just want to search by file name in a location that's happened to be indexed.

See what you get for hiding complexity from the user? You could remedy by adding a simple check box in the search drop down, but of course that will ruin your pretty UI and make the boss unhappy.

You know what the problem with win7 shell is? It's driven by looks. If you look at all the stuff that annoy people in this thread, they're mostly present (or absent) b/c they couldn't be made to fit into the pretty UI. If it adds clutter, can't be made pretty, or detracts from uniformity, it's gone. Hence no up button, no customizable toolbar, no classic start menu, etc. Steve Jobs said that Bill Gates has no taste, by which he meant PCs/Windows are ugly. Win7 is, at long last, the triumph of Steve Jobs.

I guess we should be grateful they let us keep the right mouse button.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 23:25:55 Z

In relation to the Library, I find it annoying that the folder view setting applies all subfolders within each section. Maybe I don't want a certain folder of pictures on thumbnail view, but if I change it, that setting is the same in all other folders in the Pictures section.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 22 May 2009 23:42:18 Z

If you could move the "Show Desktop" button to the far left of the taskbar, there'd be a huge disadvantage -- the ability to open Start Menu just by clicking on the far lower-left corner of the screen, which is extremely convenient.

A better option would be able to put the "Show Desktop" on the other side of the Start Orb tho...

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 02:03:19 Z

See what you get for hiding complexity from the user? You could remedy by adding a simple check box in the search drop down

Advanced Feature CheckBox

The majority of suggestions, criticisms and complaints in this forum would not exist.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 02:56:43 Z

Wndows 7 sometimes complains that my copy is not genuine, despite the fact I got the key and DL from Microsoft. If I left click on the 'My Computer' icon and bring up the properties tab, only then will it check for activation and realize "Yes, this copy IS genuine".

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 03:02:18 Z

hi!

I noticed that when you access recycle bin's properties, it dispays the total size on each drive on 'Space Available'

I think it should display the free space of drives instead of its total size.

anybody else have this issue?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 03:20:47 Z

Interesting point Drop By,

I've never really thought about this until you mentioned it.

I personally think it should go further and show total space and free space per drive.

Asrock K8NF6P, AMD64 3200+, 1.5GB RAM, Palit Geforce 8400GS 256MB, 500GB Maxtor SataII, Asus 1814BLT optical

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 03:26:57 Z

Wndows 7 sometimes complains that my copy is not genuine, despite the fact I got the key and DL from Microsoft. If I left click on the 'My Computer' icon and bring up the properties tab, only then will it check for activation and realize "Yes, this copy IS genuine".

if you keep getting this issue, you can always change the product key... right now Windows 7 is just a release canadate so you can just get a new product key, so getting a new one may just fix the issue. besides you are only allowed to use each key on up to 5 PCs or so i think it was. if you broke that rule, that could be why you are getting that issue.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 05:47:34 Z

I have the mother of all suggestions... FOR REAL... I'll love to se Windows Explorer with TABS... that's right... T A B S... Like IExplorer, Firefox, etc... Why not?? You've seen that every user is happy and excited when they browse in IE, etc with TABS... there is a program that does this in XP, QT TabBar, but remember when IExplore 6 didn't have tabs?? Everyone changed to Firefox or Opera (including me) ... So don't loose big market because of this... I really hope that you take notice of these suggestion...

And PLEASE if you readers like the idea...send more of this and support this so that windows take notice and put it in fast development

Regards

I like this idea, tabs in windows explorer will certainly help alot in my work.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 06:10:09 Z

Edit: And I will NOT reboot in "safe mode" to get administrator rights, and do all the pet jumps to edit super protected files. I will boot from a Linux Live CD, and do anything I want.

--I have admin rights now and I mean full admin rights I have enabled administrator user, gave it a proper password and use it as my login. No problems there at all. Maybe you should learn how to use Win 7?--

Actually the local administrator account, even the disabled one, does not have full admin rights at all in Windows 7 or Windows Vista. In order to have full admin rights you need to reset the permissions on the harddrive and the registry back to Windows XP. The "trustedinstaller" is the group with all the rights and "administrators" have only read on about 30% of the machine.

In my domain where I actually have to have full write access to everything including the HKClassesRoot folder and the System32/Windows directory I have reset the permissions.

Really if you think about it they did this to protect home users. For a domain this type of security is redundant as the users are all only regular users with no write access at all.

Cheers,
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 06:12:04 Z

suggestions:
1. since the taskbar is so thick and the notification icons are so small, stacking the notification icons in 2 rows will be nice, instead of having the icon in the middle and the highlight in a long rectangle.

2. would love it if "minimize", "restore", "maximize" options are included when right click on taskbar. this will make arranging programs which are opened easier.

3. windows media player: having a volume control and playback duration bar will be nice.

4. copying/pasting/moving files dialog, i hope that when "more detail" is chosen, the next time the dialog appears, it's in "more detail" mode.

5. live messenger/media device windows behaviour: lets say i'm using firefox and live messenger, with live messenger closed (ie: messenger running in background) when i minimize/close the firefox, the messenger will automatically pop up...

6. why can't "screen resolution", "gadgets", and "personalize" be in the same window in different tabs? we would usually adjust all 3 together.

7. my favorite "filmstrip" view is gone...

8. navigation pane: is there a way to change the options which appear in the navigation pane? like, removing favorites, adding whatever folders from/to navigation pane on the individual preference. allowing the view/icons size to be changed will be nice also.

that's all for now. i'll be back for more.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 06:15:26 Z

Now, the curious history. Yesterday I had a problem with the mp3 codec in windows. I wanted to do a test (like I already did many times in windows xp) and wanted to rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak (in the SYSTEM32 folder), so I can put a new file there and do my tests.
BUT, the system don´t let me do that! It says something like: You need a Trusted Installer to change this file" ... well... I don´t have a "trusted installer" because I´m manually doing a test. I AM the admin, and so far, I TRUST myself. WHY I don´t have a prompt or a UAC, wharever, ASKING: Do you want to do? And I can anwser YES. But, no, as I already said once, windows 7 have a really bad habit to say NOT ALLOWED in your face, despite the fact it´s "talking" to an administrator.

You can actually give yourself control back if you want. Just take ownership and reset the permissions to XP. I have had to do this on all my Vista, Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 machines in my domain for all my scripts to function.

Microsoft won't recommend it and will even recommend against it but really XP is pretty secure if used properly.

Cheers,
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 08:45:12 Z

One suggestion I have

Winmail.exe needs to be deleteable. Right now you can rename it, but not delete it. It's rather annoying, especially since I'd never use it.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 12:57:26 Z

good suggestion BrowniMFC

but first they need to fix that issue

its funny how the smallest issue can ruin something big =)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 15:09:55 Z

I have the mother of all suggestions... FOR REAL... I'll love to se Windows Explorer with TABS... that's right... T A B S... Like IExplorer, Firefox, etc... Why not?? You've seen that every user is happy and excited when they browse in IE, etc with TABS... there is a program that does this in XP, QT TabBar, but remember when IExplore 6 didn't have tabs?? Everyone changed to Firefox or Opera (including me) ... So don't loose big market because of this... I really hope that you take notice of these suggestion...

And PLEASE if you readers like the idea...send more of this and support this so that windows take notice and put it in fast development

Regards

I like this idea, tabs in windows explorer will certainly help alot in my work.

I kind of agree with you on the tab idea for windows explorer, but again if they do that i think there needs to be an easy way to enable and disable it because there may be people who may not want to use it.

I remember when IE7 came out i hated the tabs. i guess it was just how the browser was setup. IE6 looked a lot nicer than IE7. at least they now made internet explorer look good again with IE8, but thats just my opinion. Now just to get IE8 working properly accross the web....

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 17:53:13 Z

The Control Panel needs more "View by" options. I don't use Small or Large Icons at all, only Details and List where appropriate, so having to change the way I read folder contents when I open Control Panel is annoying. And for the number of items it contains, parsing 3 columns top-to-bottom is a whole lot easier than parsing 15-odd rows.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 23 May 2009 18:54:33 Z

When installing drivers, win7 should use the win xpsp3 method. unless i can't find it in win7, in win xp sp3 one could go out and select the specific driver file olne wanted to use. i've been have a real bugger of a time trying to win7 to load the vista32 driver for my scanner.

Für Elise - Support the Heart & Breast Cancer Foundations.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 04:54:27 Z

I have had no problems running Propellerheads software Reason 4 with my E-MU 1212 sound card using ASIO drivers in the 64 bit Windows 7 RC. I really can say that the audio streaming has greatly improved with all service enabled. Also, I would like to see Windows 7 bring back the ability to create hardware profiles. When I create music and use midi to sync instruments together with Reason 4. I need to get the lowest possible latency setting. Hardware profiles can give more CPU focus to the midi instruments and software I run. By limiting some hardware like the network card and some services like firewall, defeneder, windows update, print pooler, PC tablet, fax, will let the CPU be more reponsive to lower latency settings. When I work on music I don't need to be connected to the internet thus I don't need extra service and hardware running for no reason when the OS can focus on my audio work. When I need to connet to the internet then I need those services running for my protection.

It would be nice to see the ability have start-up profiles that which when you want to disable your network card the OS would then say since you are not connected to the internet then you can safely disable or turn off services that you select. It would be like a custom working enviroment that turlly works your way. Leaving only what need turned on for best preformence of a work station, gaming machine, graphics proccessing and more.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 05:21:59 Z

Exactly what Vista should have been, a lot less crashes of 'basic' windows operations, no crashing of IE, Windows Explorer doesn't crash, Rundll32 doesn't quit for no reason, or the folder view stays as you designated, not as insomniac as Vista (I'm being sarcastic about how Vista kept waking up regardless of the settings in Power Options).

The only thing I noticed is... though.. when I delete files from any subfolders inside Libraries, the file sometimes stay there / don't disappear from the view. When I go to another folder and come back to it, the deleted files are gone from the view. A glitch that didn't exist in Vista. I know this is an 'issue' but I'm posting caz I am not looking for any answer.

Combined with better over all soft/hardware compatibilities, I am personally happy with the result. With a few more fixes, I think it can be as good as or better than XP for the great majority of the 'regular' users. The OS is much of eye-candy as Mac, and can become popular imo.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 05:44:21 Z

https://h9kaaq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1mf9hdj90DksVeUhHzzLPF1HLIZrn4RohEJ_y135bUacay7MZV6bee9BZAX-wQmASUQKJlofyuayEB-p4q4La5g7ZZVGVfLLCT0KFc81UwYXohC3TFQJLyQM2dumqYWqA41XuUECJw9IQKS4ieVGrrfA/Captureclock.JPG

The clock gadget is priceless, but the hour hand's length is too long. This is selection "1 of 8" of "clock 1.0.0.0".

There are so many things wrong with this post I will list my top three: why don't I include a picture? I haven't figured out how.
Why don't I choose one of the other selections? This one is easiest to read and looks best inmho.
Why don't I just change it myself? Love to, but I'm not into programming, much.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 06:08:17 Z

This is in regards to the removal of the task bar option that allows one to turn off "Keep the taskbar on top of other windows".

I’m a developer and my use of the taskbar is unusual. I have it set on the right side of the screen, about 2 inches wide and allowed to be under other windows.
I make it wide so I can read the text on the buttons (usually a file path). I also have about 20 icons displayed in custom toolbars on the taskbar (mostly often used folders and apps) along with 15 icons in the quick launch toolbar.

I use the Windows key to display the task bar when it is under another window, but usually the tool bar is visible (I have a 24 inch monitor with a second monitor).
Getting the auto hide to work won't work in my environment because the second monitor is to the right of the task bar. The usual method of just moving the mouse to the extreme side of the screen won't work because the mouse will just move to the second monitor.

I will consider it a loss to not have the old "allow to be under other windows" option, but I can get used to it after rearranging my displays.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 06:15:05 Z

i upgraded from XP Pro to 7. i am used to using the status bar in windows to get quick information about a particular directory. for instance --- if i upload pictures from my digital camera, i can open that folder and in the status bar i get "48 items 178 megabytes". i love being able to see the total file size of the directory. in windows 7 i see that the status bar lists the number of items but not much else.

another useful feature in XP is that you could selectively click on items... control-click files here and there... and the sum of their file size would be displayed in the status bar, along with other relative information (i.e. bitrate for mp3s, resolution for .jpgs, etc.)

it just seems like the status bar in windows 7 is now as useful. it seems to only display the quantity of items. is there a way to change this? if not i think it would be a very useful addition... so fix it!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 09:50:01 Z

Same thing in XP, Vista and now windows 7 - why cant microsoft fix this stupid bug? i change view to list, and arrange by type. no grouping - nothing!.

i go to tools> folder options> view, and hit 'apply to all folders'. Why is it that when i go into a folder with videos or images that sometimes it reverts back to that stupid 'large icons' view? or someimtes uses 'group by type' without me doing a thing?

i highlight my drives one by one, go to customize and select 'genereal type', as opposed to windows own choice of videos/pictures/music. it keeps slipping back. i dont care what microsoft "think" i "should" have my view as. it's my damn PC and i should be able to select the view i want without this stupid OS changing it back at random.

each OS release someone has to post a fix to microsofts long standing bug. There was a reg fix in vista that actually made it remember your folder view. Is there one yet for windows 7? Microsoft seem incapable of saving your choices so i look to someone with more skill to come up with a similar kind of reg hack for this OS. I'd like an option to make it impossible to actually have that view at all.

i wont even go into the stupid bug in windows 7 that makes explorer jump to a 3rd row folder when you select one in the 2nd row! that's for a different rant.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 12:04:21 Z

Hello,
I must say that I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

Why this disappeared? Why would you think that knowing the sum size of the files in one folder should scare us?

Please... please in this status bar, please include :

- quantity of files in this folder, quantity of hidden files
- quantity of files in this folder including sub-directories (maybe too problematic with folders mounted into other drives, or network shares...)
- sum size of files in this folder and sub-folders

This could greatly improve data management across our large filesystems !

Why this disappeared??

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 12:12:28 Z

In Windows 7 I'm missing some handy innovations, like selecting multiple files and rename them all. ex: when I put some files on my website, I have to rename all of them one by one (space to underscore) with windows, or when I took some pictures with my camera, it is the same (adding a date or number, of event). The can maybe take an example from "explorerXP", it is still a program I use, but the makers don't upgrade it anymore.
Same with IE, new things are OK, but there aren't any real innovations that you expect with new software, they can take an example of Maxthon browser. ex: dragging a link to open it in a new tab. also a link opens in a new tab, instead of a new window

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 13:44:59 Z

I am re posting from misc. general at request of mod.

My take 9 days in.
Like so many many other, I do NOT like the start menu at all. If you could configure it like the classic start menu or have the option of the classic start menu
a lot of people would be happy. Basically it is the lack of the easy configuration in the classic start menu that is the problem.
To appease the mobs on security, I find the ability to open, move, change files very stifling. If I want (as administrator) want to delete a system or any other file I should be able to do it just by clicking "delete" and take the consequences for any problems it may incur. Now there are many folders I can't access or can't access easily. Win7 can even control drives and folders associated with other OS's in dual boot which is a nuisance.
The games are pitiful. Card games play in slow motion(even with animation etc off) and the cards are hard to read, maybe someone thought they were arty but they are bad. EDIT: have now ported the old hearts version and the xp version of Freecell in Win7 and they work just fine. Reinforcing my thoughts the Win7 cards are ____. Other games are also played in slow motion and difficult to read eg it is difficult to see stack edges of the tiles in mahjong.
Apart from that, all is well with Win7. I have hade no shutdowns or freezes and no problem installing programs. All my programs on XP run on Win7.
Will I jump ship from XP to Win7? I don't know. I want to move forward but don't seem to have control of the OS in Win7.

busso

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 15:24:47 Z

Same problem with me. I ALWAYS set folder Viewing Setting every time I need it. I can not save this setting for other folder or for next use.

Another feature I want Windows 7 has is about desktop icons. Small icons in my desktop (13 rows) is still big for me. I want my desktop only display icons in list view.
The good example is a desktop utility "STYLE XP" that we can only display a icon list.

I hope Vista and Windows 7 has it, too.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 16:07:57 Z

I'm trying windows 7 RC (french version)

and I am frankly disappointed

microsoft is normal even for the "ultimate"

that the speech given is ENGLISH in french edition

since vista ulitmate already paid dearly in box version, English speech synthesis.

knowing that since vista sapi 5.3.
and that all speech on the French pay market does not fit in well on vista and does not integrate with Windows 7.

you get to buy a third speech which uses the module not included in Windows Vista and Windows 7

microsoft and that is fun to put a english module in French box even the more expensive

it annoys me that France is all the time the cash cow

_____________________________________________________________________________________

another point:

in windows 7 RC

in comparasion vista of a lost functionality:

in "config panel" "tools admin"

the "monitor reliability" disappeared over vista
there are only
"Performance Monitor"

too bad because the "monitor reliability" was good practice
and "Performance monitor" unnecessary to my taste

______________________________________________________________________________________

well under windows 2000 you could save a web page as desktop background.

since vista it is no longer possible

______________________________________________________________________________________

likewise no simple method to move the "Users" folder on another partition than the system

______________________________________________________________________________________

still not the native format matroska

yet supported by the latest version of divx

next to it is valued as the format "mp4" not even capable of making multi subtitles softsub

________________________________________________________________________________________

Aero turns off when you watching a blu ray with such cyberlink powerdvd ultra 9

super thank you HDCP DRM system and other ____

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 16:20:47 Z

Hello all,

The new windows movement feature (left = 50% on left side, right=50% on right side. etc) is great.

Only thing i would love to have is a layer creator. So we can separate the places oure self.
Or just a 4 window frame layer:

(nesw)
n: full screen
ne: ne quarter (25%)
e: e (50%)
se: se quarter (25%)
s: (startmenu so nothing)
sw: sw quarter (25%)
w: w (50%)
nw: nw quarter (25%)

Thx for your time

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 16:34:39 Z

OK, not sure how else to bring this to anyones attention, so I'll put it here. Having had problems with the install and tracked down the cause, I thought I'd report my findings. The issue ws that after installing windows 7, I was unable to boot into windows 7 unless I let it boot via the install CD. I tried the recovery console to rebuild the BCD to no avail.

The reason for my problem is that I have two HDD's, one is an IDE disk, the other is a SATA disk. In some parts of the install, the SATA disk would be picked up as the primary drive. In other parts of the install, the IDE disk would be picked up (this was confirmed by the partition on the IDE disk having a copy of the BCD on it after the repair).

So basically, to install windows 7, I had to disconnect the IDE disk and install it with just the SATA drive connected. I guess I could have solved the problem by disconnecting the IDE drive, booting into the recovery console and deleting then rebuilding the BCD, but I reinstalled just in case of any other issues related to this fault during the install.

But on the bright side, so far, it seems rock solid and uch faster than vista on my hardware. Once I got through the install, everything else has worked perfectly.

Overall, a big improvement over vista. I like the devide stage too, much easier to use.

macooper

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 17:19:19 Z

I totally have to agree with both of you. It's not that I dislike the appearance, it's that I dislike the approach.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 17:24:18 Z

I'll only comment to the things that we commonly noticed :

a) The network icon in the tray is simply USELESS and I agree 100% to bring the traffic notification back!
b) Sleep mode? I used to sleep mode in Vista a lot (I could completely shutdown my PC once per month perhaps but indeed I had some blue screens here and there after I tried to recover from sleep mode. So, I was forced to input values of 9999 minutes in my current power management and scrap the whole "sleep" button idea until this is fixed.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 18:01:47 Z

I'll only comment to the things that we commonly noticed :

a) The network icon in the tray is simply USELESS and I agree 100% to bring the traffic notification back!
b) Sleep mode? I used to sleep mode in Vista a lot (I could completely shutdown my PC once per month perhaps but indeed I had some blue screens here and there after I tried to recover from sleep mode. So, I was forced to input values of 9999 minutes in my current power management and scrap the whole "sleep" button idea until this is fixed.

I agree...what's the use of the NETWORK TRAY ICON... it doesn't do anything...fix this Microsoft... improve it so at least we may see if there is any network activity...and if the users don't want to see it well you always can turn it off like in XP

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 18:10:49 Z

I'll only comment to the things that we commonly noticed :

a) The network icon in the tray is simply USELESS and I agree 100% to bring the traffic notification back!
b) Sleep mode? I used to sleep mode in Vista a lot (I could completely shutdown my PC once per month perhaps but indeed I had some blue screens here and there after I tried to recover from sleep mode. So, I was forced to input values of 9999 minutes in my current power management and scrap the whole "sleep" button idea until this is fixed.

I never used sleep mode in vista,except when the OS was in the beta phase. Now that Windows 7 is in the beta phase i have used sleep mode twice with no BSOD from it. however i have had the blue screen error a few times while running in 64-bit mode. for some reason i get it when i close the lid of my notebook for no reason at all. so i just when back to using 32-bit windows. now, no more random BSOD. 64-bit windows has to many issues...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 18:40:16 Z

This comment is about updates that get installed to cover loop holes in the OS. As we all know that when after many updates have been installed from Windows update over time the system starts to slow down and is less responsive. Althought I see an improvement in Vista over XP in this regard. However this does affect the overall user experience. Some times an update can wreak havock with programs and settings I hope that Windows 7 can streamline update installs while keeping the preformce of a fresh install like there were no updates installed. A feature in Windows 7 to test the update before it is applied to asses preformance issues with other programs or settings..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 18:50:01 Z

Could Windows 7 manage the registery better. After a program is installed a registery about it is created. When a program is uninstalled why does Windows need to keep a registery. This does confuse some of my applications and hardware. Registeries are known to cause preformance problems and degrations as well as affect the overall user experience. A feature for Windows that analyzes the registeries and deletes the ones that no longer apply to keep preformance like a fresh inistall.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 18:53:01 Z

Hi!

So I've got a problem with the Win7 RC, and I've been told to put it here in case of...

My issues: I had a perfectly functional Vista Business SP1 install, and I decided to test the RC full time but I was too lazy to perform a clean install, therefore I upgraded (yes, I know) this system to the Win7 Ultimate RC (build 7100) x64.
Took a few hours, but eventually, everything seemed to have worked out. Emphasis on 'seemed'.

Basically, it's working. BUT. The 'back from hibernation' phase is agonizingly slow. And when I say slow I mean slow. And the standby mode is simply NOT WORKING. There are apparently two outcomes : either it goes to standby mode and comes back immediately or either it goes to standby mode, stays silent for a minute or so and then TADAAAAAAAA!! it comes back on. On its own. The only way I succeeded in putting it to sleep is to shutdown manually when it tries to come back from sleep.

To sum up: I don't have to reboot to get it to work. I just have to shut it down just after it went to sleep, to prevent it from waking up immediately. And afterwards, I can wake him up! It takes forever, but I don't have to relaunch my apps one by one.

I'm still baffled as to what caused the problem. I spent some time tinkering with my power mangement options, both in the BIOS and in Win7, to no avail.
I'm sure that I wouldn't have these issues with a clean install.

Just so you know, I'm using a computer with 2 Gb of RAM, an AMD X2 4800+, a Radeon 4850, etc. Nothing too old for Win7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 19:20:09 Z

Why is it that microsoft hasnt put much into making Window 7 compatible with multiple types if TV Tuner Cards ? i havent found one as yet thats capable of running on Windows 7. Windows 7 will not detect, let alone allow me to install drivers for them. I have a few friends that are enjoying Windows (especially for gameing purposes,once you get passed the whole user account and run as admistrator ____(that stuff was sooooo overdone and not needed) .. if anything ,... microsoft should post a listing somewhere as to what TV Tuners are actually compatible with Windows 7, most people i know dont mind spending the cash to upgrade (like myself) its just ... what works! lol .. what do we do spend 20 grand buying all these different ones and testing them? lol (seems a bit ridiculous to me) or they could jsut implement a some sort of driver pack for any Full HD/digital Tv Tuner to work, as weith many people i know , we do EVERYTHING on our PC's, watch TV,movies play games and do office/work related tasks as well. And another thing, why wont Windows 7 allow multiple intances of say Star Wars Galaxies to run as xp would? i have been unable to find a work around for that anywhere, well it was the same with vista as well, main reason i am even trying to do all this is the games themselves appear to run better in windows 7 than xp (mostly Direct X i believe) weould love to find the workaround for that , irritateing haveing to run 2 PC's again to run my Droid Engineer on 1 PC and my Armosmith on the other PC.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 20:11:03 Z

Difficulties with going to sleep during long operations.
With power settings set for normal usage I find that it goes to sleep during long operations (AV scans, big downloads, long software tests etc).
It is not very convenient, or easy, to keep changing the sleep settings before/after such operations.
I prefer not to have it as never sleep because all too often I am called away and it is better (security and power use) for the computer to shut down if this happens.
I think what is needed is a setting that specifies minimum cpu/disk activity that counts as activity instead of relying upon keyboard or mouse.

Suggested processing - when it times out from no keyboard/mouse activity if there is significant cpu/disk activity the count is restarted.
It might be an idea to issue a system message to all programs that the computer 'thinks' it is almost time to shut down so any background operation (defragmentation/virus scan) can shut themselves off.

R.Peters

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:07 Z

Having an IT background, I have to say about Windows 7 rc is this. It has it's pros and cons.

Major con for me. This is only my honest opinion, speaking only for myself. That it's based on the code for vista. With it's inherent incompatibility issues of application and hardware devices.

Another con is the compatibility program in the properties section. Trying to figure out, ok do I click on compatible for xp. Since, I have this program running on my xp system, or do I click on compatible for vista since windows 7 rc is based on vista. I work with computers all day. Even this one has me scratching my head. I hate to think what the average end user would have to go through. This right here, my opinion again is, why there is so many issuses with applications and hardware. Trying to be a "jack of all trades and a master of none."

Unlike xp and the earlier OS releases, were written user specific. If they wanted a OS with multimedia capability, and the fancy eye candy user interface. They would buy the Multimedia / Ultimate version, and have hardware and application codes written specifically to work in that OS enviroment. Same goes for office or business. Also, for those who have the 64 bit quad core cpus, the 64 bit version.

The biggest one of them all are the occasional user ie: grandparents sending pictures in an email and those with limited computer skills. Then all they would need is the basic OS. Which could run on older machines with limited ram and computing power. That last reason right there alone, is why XP & Linux has become so popular with people with older low end computers. They don't want or need all the bells and whistles. Just a computer to read there E-mails and surf the web.

Another one, I spent less time finding and troubleshooting a bad batch file subroutine, than trying to get windows 7 rc to work correctly out of the box. Still, haven't got the speakers to work even with a windows 7 specific driver from manufacture. Ran with administrative privileges and all of the compatiblites clicked on.

Ok, windows 7 does have some good points. Running on a 64 bit quad core machine it is pretty fast
and most off all "THANK GOD!!!!!, for the command prompt and MS-DOS." Kind of took me back to the good ole days in the early 80's. Sitting if front of the ibm pc working on application files using MS-DOS.

User interface is good. Being an exclusive xp user. Expecting to find certain icons and files in one place. Only to be placed in another section, had some getting used to. But all in all, it's a learning curve on my part. I could get use to in time.

When the final version is released, hopefully bug and issue free. I would buy a copy.

Disclamer: All statements made above are the written expressions and personal honest opinions of one man.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 24 May 2009 23:46:43 Z

Here are my observations in Windows 7 RC:

Rearranging Start Menu Pinned Items is broken

KBlonski said: I can pin things with no issues, however, when I want to reorganize the list of pinned items, my entire list will dissapear. They are NOT deleted, you just cannot see the items. In order to see the items again I've found (purely by luck) that if you resize the taskbar icons to small and then back to large, the list will reappear with the updated locations (so if you moved Word 2007 to the top fo the list before it dissapeared, it will reappear at the top of the list). It's also worth noting that during the time when the pinned items have dissapeared, I can still access the "All Programs" section of the start menu with no issues.

I confirmed this bug here also

Documents, Music, Pictures and Movies show up with a "My" prefix, even on a completely fresh install:

C:\Users\Zambz>dir
Volume in drive C has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 90A9-2538

Directory of C:\Users\Zambz

25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          .
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          ..
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Contacts
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Desktop
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Documents
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Downloads
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Favorites
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Links
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Music
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Pictures
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Saved Games
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Searches
25/05/2009 12:45 AM    <DIR>          Videos
               0 File(s)              0 bytes
              13 Dir(s) 40,570,036,224 bytes free

However in explorer (with hidden files turned off), I see the following (none of these are junctions!) If I check the location of each of these, they do indeed point to the right place (\Users\Zambz\Pictures, \Users\Zambz\Music .etc):

Contacts
Desktop
Downloads
Favorites
Links
My Documents
My Music
My Pictures
My Videos
Saved Games
Searches

Top left Icon in Explorer windows missing

This is one of those things which may have been "by design" in Vista, but are completely incorrect from a UI perspective. You can still left click in that area to bring up the usual menu, but there is no button to indicate this. Thus, this looks extremely unprofessional from a GUI design perspective.

Screenshot Reference: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/857/winvistamissingicon.jpg

There should be an easy way to disable high resolution scrollwheel behavior

Since Vista, high resolution scroll wheels have been implemented (for lazer mice it seems). But this affects many apps negatively, most audio applications for example (e.g. Cubase, VST plugins .etc) do not work correctly with this scroll wheel. It took me almost a week to find the answer to fix this, but it SHOULD be in the Mouse preferences as a tick box.

More info here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/f/7/af7777e5-7dcd-4800-8a0a-b18336565f5b/Wheel.docx

Manual fix is:

1) Go to Device Manager and double click on your mouse device
2) Go to the Details tab, select Hardware_Ids from the dropdown and note the HID\VID… values
3) Open regedit and browse to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\HID\Vid_xxxx&Pid_yyyy\<instance_ID>\Device Parameters
4) Add the following 2 entries as DWORDs:
VScrollHighResolutionDisable = 1
HScrollHighResolutionDisable = 1
5) Reboot and try your apps again

Folder location move very buggy

There are some serious issues with moving the location of folders such as Pictures, Music .etc

To demonstrate these, I will provide a step by step for how you can reproduce the issue:

1) Right click on "My Pictures", go to Propertios and then Location
2) Change the location to some other path, say D:\Pictures
3) Notice that a visible (non-hidden) folder gets rceated for no apparent reason, called Pictures. This is created under \Users\<username>\Pictures.
4) Attempt to double click this new Pictures folder created under \Users\<username>\Pictures and you get an Access is denied
5) Right click on "My Pictures" and attempt to move the location back to the original location \Users\<username>\Pictures
6) You will recieve an access is denied message, meaning you can not move the folder back to its original locaton

So to summarise, the 2 issues are:
- Additional folders get created in the users path when moving a location. These additional folders should not be created!
- Due to the above, you can never move a location back to its original location

I believe this also happens with folders like Music, Videos, Documents

No create new folder shortcut in Explorer

This has been overlooked for way WAY too long and is well overdue. We need a shortcut to create folders in explorer. Might I suggest F7 as the standard Commander style shortcuts (F2 is rename in Commander too).

Customizable msstyles should no longer have to be patched

There are a world of brilliant designers out there who are developing themese for Windows constantly, check out Deviantart for a start. We shouldn't have to patch system files, purchase skin editors .etc just to change or reskin the GUI. Micrisoft is coming off as a closed, non-community based company which is closing off too many doors.

I suggest that Windows natively supports 3rd party msstyles skins. I also suggest that Microsoft make available a good piece of software that allows people to create their own msstyles skins for W7, rather than having to rely on 3rd party solutions.

Integration of Fences & Notepad2 into Windows

There are a few 3rd party tools which are just an amazing integrated solution in Windows. Stardock Fences is by far one of the best innovations for Windows and really should be included as part of the OS (please check it out)). The freeware, open-source Notepad2 stamps all over Notepad, even in terms of Windows GUI standards. Please consider either expanding Notepad to be more like Notepad2 (line numbers, support for different line endings, editing features), or integrate Notepad2 into Windows itself!

More to come :)
Zambz

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 00:06:03 Z

On the compatibility issue: I think it's misleading to tell people "if it works under Vista, it'll work under win7". That's not the case with my logitech 9000 webcam software, for example. I can force the software to install using vista compatible mode, but once installed it doesn't work. I can get basic webcam functionality, but none of the advanced features work. of course logitech say they'll have the software when win7 is released, but that's what they all said about vista and we know how that worked out.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 00:20:42 Z

- Sleep mode is broken. By default it even grayed in the menu, but if I still use it (e.g. automatically by timeout, or by pressing ‘Sleep’ button on the keyboard) it tries to sleep, and then automatically reboots. The same with hibernate. Not only I have this problem, you can find in the internet other messages about it. Some people suggest turning off ‘Allow this device to wake up computer’ option in the network card settings, but for me, it did not help. (Needless to say, in XP/Vista on the same machine all worked fine).

Sleep mode works just fine if you have good quality hardware. If you have a cheap or older system that has issues with ACPI, why would you expect the hardware to magically work now? Hibernate, Sleep Mode, Suspend to RAM, Etc.: these are all hardware dependant features.

If your car doesn't have cruise control, and you change the driver, would you expect that feature to appear?

Computer software consultant for 27 years

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 00:26:43 Z

Dude, Sleep Mode worked just fine with my computer, on XP, Vista, whatever.
Then I upgraded to the 7100 build. And it hasn't worked since.

So I'm really happy it's working for you. Really. But it's not for some people, and please stop blaming the hardware. In my case at least, it's not guilty.
I don't know what is: a driver, some weird settings, or simply a vicious bug? Whatever it is, it wasn't there in Vista.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 00:50:40 Z

Interesting point Drop By,

I've never really thought about this until you mentioned it.

I personally think it should go further and show total space and free space per drive.

Yes, very good point. Everything is relative, and programmers are highly aware of the size make and configurations of their drives. They already know the sizes, and they do the math mentally, without thinking. This is an example of some people thinking that everyone else thinks like they do.

I have noticed that most, of not all, GUI problems in nearly every application available, is an example of this drawback. We all know it takes time to write and debug code. If, however, you as the codewriter knows and assumes that everyone else knows what you do, you will annoy a LOT of general end users.

Microsoft Attend: Please have "everyday" casual computer users review the GUI before you even consider releasing it to the general public. I have noticed that most of the posts on these pages are things non-geeks and business users would have noticed right away but, programmers would not even notice at all. A considerable amount of time could be saved by simply having your mom or grandma click around the programs before you submit it to your development manager.

disclaimer: ( I am not assuming that peoples mothers or grandmothers are less than informed about software, I am just going for a humourous touch here *grins*)

Computer software consultant for 27 years

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 01:45:08 Z

I have noticed quite a few subtle changes from vista to Windows 7, most of them are good, and the performance is certainly improved. However, there are some very simple things I have noticed from the perspective of "general" end users. Since I work in IT I get a lot of feedback that require a solution quickly and when people cannot find a solution quickly and efficiently they become annoyed.

Missing Help and Support content:

Some simple aspects of the GUI do not have related keywords linking them to Help and Support content. A simple basic example, try to find something about wallpaper, backgrounds, themes, or slideshows. You would think that at least one of these keywords would produce information to assist the average user. Well, none do.   Also, please include the old keyword from previous versions of windows when you do finally get around to producing this content. outdated of obscure keywords linking to the name or location of the Windows 7 version should be supplied for an improved and relaxing user experience. Again, I will use the word wallapaper, it is now called background, like in linux, but a user coming directly from Windows XP may not know this simple and subtle nuance.

Request for a more modern "how people think" features. Although, Microsoft, I am impressed with the progress so far on this front, very impressed in fact:

I shall once again use the themes example because it is so readily reproducable and accessable to everyone.
Your desired task: Let us say you wish to create a theme and pick or select a variety of images to add to a background slideshow.
Your method: You browse to the Personalize window (the term 'dialog box' is being phased out), and you see a nice selection of themes. Some appear to have more than one background. "What is this?" you say, as you see this new greatly improved visual. Now this is a good idea, because the visual aspect is how people think; it makes sense. But lets say you want a high contrast or the default theme with more than one background. There should be a common link for all themes that says Single desktop Background, and toggles to Multiple Desktop Backgrounds in that first window.   But I digress, say you select a theme with multiple backgrounds, then in the lower right you click the "Desktop Background" link, you get a new windows with a highly appealing and simple arrangement of suggestions. You manage to select a few, but then you notice that you have, up at the top, alternative folders you can choose from. "Oh ho", you remark, "this is very cool", you then change folders and you notice that Windows has annoyingly selected ALL the images for you, so you amend this and upon going back to the previouc desktop background folder, "ARGH!", Windows has now selected ALL of those. Of course you will shortly realize that this will continue perpetually thus forcing you to only select images from one folder or another (unless you make a library of the ones you like or create a new folder with copies, assuming you can find the originals which are secreted away all over the OS).

This old and outdated method could be greatly improved allowing users to select multiple files from multiple folders; which is how people think! We arrange things into groups, but that never means we only wish a selection from a particular group. I would love to see this implemented in Windows generally. Afterall is the new Windows not more about HOW people think rather than being confined into old more confined creativity? The same idea would be wonderful for opening multiple documents for any application; allowing users to select multiple files from multiple folders and launch them all at once. Microsoft Binder actually achieved something like that way back. What happened to expanding on a good idea? Now, I know that Libraries ARE very much like the old Microsoft Binder idealology but, why not make this feature real-time and dynamic throughout the entire OS? I may wish to select 12 URLs from among five folders and launch them all at once with IE8 in tabs.  One may wish to select multiple videoclips and launch them all at once from various folders into Movie Maker. What about selecting 20 images and launching them all at once in your favourite editing software? Sure, you could make a library for this, or prearrange copies in a specific folder but, we don't want dozens of copiesof files or libraries that are only temporary. People do not think like that.

Here is an example: When you go grocery shopping, do you only buy veggetables on one trip, then go back for meat, then again for household products? No, you do not. Well Windows should reflect this way of human thought process. Be the first to really innovate and steer the GUI towards a more human way of thinking.

Computer software consultant for 27 years

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 04:07:23 Z

Kieseyhow, I mean the following with no disrespect. In fact, I agree with much of your observation. However...

In my opinion, much of the problem is that Microsoft has tried to make a computer think like a human. At least, that's how I view ECMA, OOP and the like. But actually, the reason we employ computers is because they can be much more disciplined, organized thinkers than us humans.

In other words, I think it's an excuse for undisciplined disorganization to say a computer has been made to think like a person.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 05:46:06 Z

Looks nice, however i definately think the old mini mode should be brought back, where it was a long rectangle, rather than how it is now.
At lease provide an option where different mini modes can be selected.
Can someone please pass this on?
Thanks

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 06:01:16 Z

PLease give the old Paint back !
- There is some nice new tools in the new Paint, but still: NO !
- The visual side of this new Paint is just awfull, usability has been sacrificed for the new candy looks
- There is a lot of errors in the code.

You might think that Paint is only for the kids. Still I have produced with it possibly hundreds of simple pictures. It is / should be fast, small and simple.

Still I would like to see there 'Rotate by angle XXX', 'ReDraw'

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 06:13:18 Z

Documents, Music, Pictures and Movies show up with a "My" prefix, even on a completely fresh install:

However in explorer (with hidden files turned off), I see the following (none of these are junctions!) If I check the location of each of these, they do indeed point to the right place (\Users\Zambz\Pictures, \Users\Zambz\Music .etc):

My Documents
My Music
My Pictures
My Videos

Have you tried deleting the desktop.ini file within each? The "My" is usually located in that file.

Top left Icon in Explorer windows missing

This is one of those things which may have been "by design" in Vista, but are completely incorrect from a UI perspective. You can still left click in that area to bring up the usual menu, but there is no button to indicate this. Thus, this looks extremely unprofessional from a GUI design perspective.

Screenshot Reference: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/857/winvistamissingicon.jpg

It isn't there in Vista either.

Folder location move very buggy

So to summarise, the 2 issues are:
- Additional folders get created in the users path when moving a location. These additional folders should not be created!
- Due to the above, you can never move a location back to its original location

I believe this also happens with folders like Music, Videos, Documents

Good Point. I am assuming a Junction Point is created. However, I redirect with Folder Redirection so I will have to check if it does it there too.

No create new folder shortcut in Explorer

This has been overlooked for way WAY too long and is well overdue. We need a shortcut to create folders in explorer. Might I suggest F7 as the standard Commander style shortcuts (F2 is rename in Commander too).

I have been bugging the Windows Designers I know about this since Windows 95 came out. I can't believe they haven't added one yet. MacIntosh has had a shortcut since OS 6.

Customizable msstyles should no longer have to be patched

There are a world of brilliant designers out there who are developing themese for Windows constantly, check out Deviantart for a start. We shouldn't have to patch system files, purchase skin editors .etc just to change or reskin the GUI. Micrisoft is coming off as a closed, non-community based company which is closing off too many doors.

I suggest that Windows natively supports 3rd party msstyles skins. I also suggest that Microsoft make available a good piece of software that allows people to create their own msstyles skins for W7, rather than having to rely on 3rd party solutions.

This would be an AWESOME idea. The themes are terrible. With Windows 2000 and classic menus you could download 100's of themes and then with Windows XP you were stuck with two ugly ones and the the optional "Royale and Royale Noir" that were never released but available from MS.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 07:11:17 Z

Agree! I've heard some people say win7 is more customizable than ever. Really?? change the glass color and background? wow!! even gmail is more customizable than win7. I kid you not. if you try to change your windows colors to a dark scheme, you end up with unreadable text in windows explorer. you can't even change the color of the selection/highlight bar. it's pale blue no matter what color you've chosen for your glass.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 09:59:16 Z

I agree that I would love some more customization for the themes, but for Davidoff's sake don't compare gmail with an operating system's environment (I think the "why" is very obvious).

And yeah, even though changing colors to a darker scheme ends up with unreadable text, I could appreciate the addition of nitpicking every color in every window possible, as long as it doesn't end up looking like a rainbow :P

Also, as a friendly reminder, I'll repost some issues I met :
a) Inability to pin the recycle bin. WHY? And no, making it a shortcut to a browser doesn't quite do the job.
b) Notification area icons that I change their settings when their programs are inactive don't get saved unless their program is active (even though the popup bubble tells me that it will get in effect the next time the particular program starts).
c) Sleep/hybernation = broken to infinity loop BSOD levels. At least for me.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 10:08:04 Z

I try the win7RC OS for a month, 2 things had been found;

1. I have to setup the Thai every time when start up win7 RC.
2. The copied files of ms-words & jpg files which located on the desktop were lost. All files cant be saved in the desktop.

Dont' know why?

Thx
little x a little

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 10:53:46 Z

zambz -

Microsoft has to be very, VERY careful with what features get integrated into ANY new Windows release. Especially if it's something that treads on someone else's existing product. This is partly why Windows 7 offloaded a number of apps that have been a part of the Windows OS for a number of years - stuff like Windows Mail/Outlook Express, Windows Live Messenger, Movie Maker, Windows Photo Gallery, and such which now have their Live Essentials counterparts. This is why IE 8 can now be disabled in Windows 7. It's a preemptive measure to keep the EU and DOJ off their back.

The thing is, company X can complain to the EU or DOJ that Microsoft is unfairly doing something to steal their business - even in a day when some of the apps in question are being given away for free, and if the DOJ or EU can take the complaint seriously, all it does is make the DOJ and/or EU rich, takes money out of Microsoft's coffers and makes the ABM* crowd howl in delight.

Last I checked both Fences and Notepad2 were freeware and can be downloaded directly from their respective websites. There's nothing stopping you from downloading and installing either app. So I don't see the point of inviting the wrath of the DOJ or EU.

*Anything But Microsoft

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 12:19:47 Z

i wont even go into the stupid bug in windows 7 that makes explorer jump to a 3rd row folder when you select one in the 2nd row! that's for a different rant.

tommo123123, thanks for this remind! I knew there was something annoying and I ever forget to post it here.

This behaviour is really stupid, and can be easily reproduced.

Open any folder in windows explorer and use the "List" view. Now, go to the far right column and select one file. IF the last column visible have one file name that is near the end of the window, or if the name of one file in that column don´t fit the window, then, when you select it, explorer move it "automagicaly" maybe to let you "see better" the file name.
BUT, it´s really annoying, because:
1) You can SEE the file. You click the file and suddenly all the columns change and the one that was right under your mouse now is not the one that was under your mouse. It is now in the left of your mouse, and the next column in the right, that you was not even seeing (and maybe have nothing you wanted, because you don´t clicked it) is now under the mouse.

2) It´s impossible to do a double click in a file like this (one that is in the last right column in the list view, the same column that will move by itself when you select the file) before the column moves. Even if you try to double click real fast, you end clicking another file, because when you do the first click, the column already moved, the file you wanted is not under your mouse pointer anymore, and the secound click (just a milisecound was passed here) will end in another file.

I hope I made myself clear. It´s a issue much easyer to see in windows explorer than to explain in words, I think. Try it out and see, please.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:13:34 Z

I think there's a bug in the WiFi Networking in Windows 7 RC. I thought it might have been an issue with upgrading first from Vista then from beta so i did a clean install of RC. It does seem to happen much less, but occasionally, usually after awaking from sleep, I just can't connect to the internet on my laptop. The local network continues to work and the troubleshooting identifies a problem with DNS. Sometimes disconnecting and reconnecting from the WiFi network will fix it but this tends to fix it only temporariily (sometimes only a few minutes). Disabling and re-enabling the adapter sometimes works better but also usually only fixes the problem for a few minutes. Ultimately, I need to reboot the system in order to the get the DNS to work correctly again.

I've never had this problem with Vista so hopefully this can be fixed in the final release.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:27 Z

I'm not very happy with the behaviour of the Library folders. It seems in some ways organizing the views in a Library folder is more limited than in a regular folder. For instance, I needed to group the pictures in a folder tree under the Pictures library by dimensions in order to compare them to those on another computer. On the networked computer I was able to do a search for all .jpg files then group by dimension. In the library folder, the group funciton is missing so the only way to group is through the library arrange by dropdown, which simply doesn't offer the same level of flexibility. Dimensions isn't one of the pre-configured options and there is no "more..." such as in grouping to select other features. So ultimatley for each dimensions category I had to apply a filter. And since Microsoft's removed the column headers from all views except details (One of the best features of Vista) and didn't provide a filter menu or toolbar dropdown, the only way to filter is to go into details view, apply the filter, then go back to the desired view, repeat, rinse... It's a pain in the ***...

Please restore the grouping options for Library folders or improve the flexiblity of the arrange dropdown for Libraries.

It's also very confusing that when I set up my Media Center, it creates a Recorded Programs library. It's not clear why this should be a library, but it's also confusing that this library does not show up under the "Libraries" section of the Windows Explorer navigator bar on the left along with all the other Libraries. This is very inconsistent. All Libraries should show up under the Libraries section.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:27:10 Z

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE

I don’t know why MS did not contact me when writing to them about this and other matters in the Beta release, maybe they were sleeping?

The taskbar that comes with Windows 7 is not very good in that you cannot easily see what is open and what is not. The solution is very easy.

Earlier MS O/S had a taskbar and many people did not know or failed to use this feature.

It really is a super part of windows enabling you to open close and go to other windows / programs without shutting the window you’re in to get to another program on the desktop.

MS has now forced you to use this system, but failed to make it better, and actually made it worse.

To facilitate the taskbar, first remove all the program icons from it.

(Right click on the icons and select unpin.) And don’t pin any more to it.

Next unlock the taskbar, so you can drag it up and make it twice as high.

(Right click on taskbar and select, Lock taskbar, this will unlock it.) Now drag it up.

I also hide my tack bar; well you get more screen space by doing this. You want a bigger monitor don’t you? So hide the taskbar, it will reappear when you move your mouse to the bottom of the screen so don’t worry.

(To hide the tack bar, right click on the taskbar, select Properties and then select the box: Auto Hide Task bar)

Now make a folder in C: drive, (I put it in Program files.) (Name the folder as you wish to) Now put all the program icon shortcuts in it that you want to use.

Right click on the taskbar, and select Taskbars, then go to New Taskbar, then go to where you made the icon shortcut folder and select that folder.

It will now open in the right side of the taskbar. Drag it over to the start button side and let go. And you have basically two lines now, the upper line will show you what is open and the lower line will give you super quick short cuts.

To finish right click the bottom (NEW) taskbar with your icons so you can click on the the show title and show text, and it now shows just the icons without the writing.

If you wish you can make the icons big or small, right click lower taskbar and select view.

See the finished desktop Jpg here free download

http://rapidshare.com/files/237081299/Desktop.jpg

When you consider what an O/S does, all the computer parts it has to contend with, find and install. It’s magical that it works at all. All the updates MS give you after you bought it too. Consider XP if you bought it at the beginning you have had years of use and consistent updates at no extra cost it has worked out at a few cents a day. When you consider an O/S is not just a CD/DVD but many thousands on man hours of work that has to be paid for, it’s not so bad. Just because you see a plastic disk for your payment consider all the work that went to make it and the after support. In today’s computer world it is madness to not have a legal copy of your O/S that is updatable to combat all the nasty things people are trying to send to you.

Remember most illegal software you download has something nasty in it; they did not spend hours and hours making it for you for free, there after your info and more. Wouldn’t it be a sad PC world without MS?

Before Bill had all his wealth he gave MS Dos away for free, so hes not so bad, and I understand he's giving most of his bank account back to people who deserve some help, so maybe were donating to a large trust fund as well as buying an O/S, well done Bill. G.

Dear MS when I open a new window that was previously shown in one of my now multi closed screens I cannot move it to my open screen window, like I used to be able to. PLEASE SORT IT OUT

Dear MS can I have the option to turn off the auto window maximize when I move my window the side or top of the screen.

Dear MS can I have the option for my taskbar to be on all four screens at once please, it would help.

Dear MS Please make a better disk checker too, as it says my drive is fine but I know it is not.

Dear MS I need employment, I work from home so don’t need an office, and I don’t need $200 an hour for my work.

Dear MS don’t overcharge me for Windows 7 ok, I want to be legal but not robed to be legal ok.

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:28:08 Z

I realize it's probably hopeless, but I need to ask again:

Please provide an option to restore the column headers for all Explorer/Dialog views. This is such a useful feature I hate that it's gone in Windows 7. Again, this can be an option that is off by default but still an option for those of us who use this feature. Also please restore the grouping function from the columns dropdown and maybe even the stacking feature which was removed entirely.

If you won't restore these features, at least add some extra dropdowns next to the view dropdown in the explorer toolbar for grouping, sorting and filtering. With the column headers there was always easy access as well as visual indication of what's going on. Witout them unless you'e in the details view it's not at all clear what settings have been made so things can get very confusing, especially if a filter has been applied and you forgot about it...

I'd also like to see the list view allow for full filename display, even for very long filenames, such as was possible in Vista. A column in the list view should be able to extend all the way to the edge of the window before truncating the filename. As it stands, if I make the window wider beyond a certain point, the filenames are still truncated. The max size of the columsn seems to have improved, actually, between the beta and the RC, but I'd like to see it improve more in the final so that there are no limits except possiby the width of the window.

thanks!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:32:28 Z

Another thing that would be very useful would be some extra keyboard shortcuts for Windows Explorer and Open/Save dialog boxes.

There's no way, as far as I know, to use the keyboard to access the toolbar menus (eg. organize). There should also be keyboard shortcuts for different views (list, details, etc.), grouping, sorting, filtering/clear all filters. There is a shortcut (though not well documented) for fit all columns in details view but the shortcut is ctrl + numpad+. I have no numpad on my laptop so there's no way to use this shortcut. There should be an alternate shortcut for laptop keyboards. It would also be nice to have an option to make fit all columns sticky so they always adapt automatically.

Thanks.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:34:53 Z

Feedback to Start Menu behavior:

Start menu has two views: Something like "last used programs" and the "All programs" view.

Because I don't like Last programs view I disabled the entries in configuration menu. Now list is always empty. But opening start menu nevertheless shows first the empty list and I have to click or move mouse over "All programs" menu to see that list.

After a while this is annoying ...

It would help if there were an option in configuration to make my own choose. Opening last programs or all programs first. Or even better to have an option to disable last programs list completely.

Best regards,
Dirk

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 15:47:58 Z

Hello,
Keyboard layout for Bosnian (Latin, Bosnia and Herzegovina) should be Bosnian, not Croatian as it is now. Bosnian (Latin) keyboard doesn't exist in the list of keyboards in input languages. There is only Bosnian (Cyrilic). When you choose Bosnian (Latin, Bosnia and Herzegovina) as your input language, Croatian keyboard is selected and you can't change it to Bosnian (Latin) because this one isn't listed. Could somebody explain to me how can I contact someone at Microsoft and ask them to correct this.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:12:19 Z

Windows 7 RC 32bit:

Firstly thanks for a wonderful OS. :)

Bugs:
1) On the "Open Dialog" if you rename a folder and press enter, the view still shows "New Folder", a refresh is required before the correct folder name is displayed.

2) When a program uses the "Directory Dialog" it is extremely slow when expanding a collapsed folder item.

3) Some Laptops if the backlight goes dim, it doesn't become bright again without a restart and also random backlight dimming for a second on other laptops.

4) This is an ATI Graphics driver bug. OpenGL games may say that your graphics card is not capable, when using the latest ATI Windows 7 driver. Installing an older catalyst 8.* version should correct this.

5) Not really a bug: OpenGL is not included in Windows 7 driver updates for Nvidia cards.

6) Some *.mov files can not be played on Windows Media Player.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:16:30 Z

I try the win7RC OS for a month, 2 things had been found;

1. I have to setup the Thai every time when start up win7 RC.
2. The copied files of ms-words & jpg files which located on the desktop were lost. All files cant be saved in the desktop.

Dont' know why?

Thx
little x a little

After reading and re-reading your post several times I cannot make sense of it. What in the world is a "Thai"???

And I haven't heard of desktop files being "lost" before. Are you sure "Desktop Icon Cleanup" feature didn't run?

And **why** can't you save files to your desktop??? Do you receive an error message? Are you saving to right folder?

When you post problems you should always explain what happens in detail and why something is or isn't happening as it should. When you say "all files can't be saved in the desktop" that doesn't give us any helpful or useful information about your problem.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:20:10 Z

What's in the world is a "Thai"???

Thai is the language they speak in Thailand :)
So probably OP's #1 is that he sets the system or keyboard (?) language to Thai, and it doesn't stay that way. Or smth.

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:20:33 Z

Sony Vaio / s on windows 7 speedy and working fine………………………

I have to say I am very happy with Windows 7 I have managed to get my Sony Vaio AW11XU/Q AR71ZU and my older 3.2 GHz HT GRT380ZG to all work ok. The AR71ZU does not like the Sony short cut button software. But the other two all work as they should. The AW11 and AR71 are running the 64 bit version.

It took some looking to find the drivers and software to be compatible but after hours of looking and experimenting I got there.

The TVs work super well, speed is just fine and if you’re complaining about speed, it’s time to upgrade your P1 people ok.

The one problem I have had is the screen standby on and off. When it comes back on from mouse or keypad touch it seems to have a heart attack, so I don’t turn the screen into standby any more that fixed it :-)

I run 4 monitors of the AW11XU/Q Vaio and they are working splendidly.

All in all I think MS finally have got their act together and made a winner, and as I say in an earlier thread when you consider what an O/S does the things it has to do and software it installs in so many configurations its magical it works at all. See my thread on:

HOW TO MAKE WINDOWS 7 TASKBAR 100% BETTER +....................................

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:21:21 Z

Some of the software with my epson stylus photo rx 680 will not work properly.Other than that gang, Grab this opportunity
to get the best OS on the planet.I love this and epson assured me they will have this problem solved shortly.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:22:42 Z

Just a quick post to mention that Apple keyboards in windows have never been supported.
I'm talking about running windows in some virtualization solution (Parallels, VMWare) on Mac OS X.
Using the microsoft layout editor, it's really easy to modify the default configuration for a given language (French in my case) to implement the Apple keyboard differences.
So, why can't you just get them included in the standard windows installation (Apple French, Apple US English, ...) ?
Thanks.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 16:30:20 Z

Yes, you're right, i just saw.I dont know why its that, i hope they'll change it, i mean, we know its all the same language(serbian, bosnian, croatian) but if they put bosnian they should then not mix it with croatian, i agree.In meantime, use serbian latin or that one. Greetings from Belgrade! (Pozdrav iz Beograda)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 17:37:50 Z

Yes, as Eriq is finding, sometimes advice is not easily received. It depends on how it's presented, I guess.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 17:48:26 Z

There's no way, as far as I know, to use the keyboard to access the toolbar menus (eg. organize).

There's always a way with a keyboard. :oP
Just open an explorer window, tap Tab three times et use the arrows and Enter/Space keys to select.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 18:26:22 Z

There's no way, as far as I know, to use the keyboard to access the toolbar menus (eg. organize).
There's always a way with a keyboard. :oP
Just open an explorer window, tap Tab three times et use the arrows and Enter/Space keys to select.

Thanks, I didn't realize you could do that. However, it's not a great solution as it depends where you are in the window how many times you have to tab to get to the toolbar. Ideally I want a single keyboard shortcut to be able to set any of the options or at least a consistent series of keystrokes so that I can write my own Autohotkey script to automate the tasks I perform often and assign them to my own keyboard shortcuts. Having to visually determine when you've reached the toolbar, for instance, not to the mention that the contents of the toolbar aren't fixed, makes writing any kind of simple script challenging at best...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 18:45:23 Z

Is there a hotkey that brings up a list of the hotkeys?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 19:35:29 Z

No real trouble with my taskbar but I must notice it more I think..... I pretty like the newer taskbar and the feature to pin something to it.
And you don't see all the names of those open programs like in the old days.

No, it's all right to me as it is. When someone get's in and peak's over my shoulder he or she doesn't see what I'm doing since it is not visible when pressing Windows+M.

Actually to be honest, I never even use the taskbar, always use the ALT-TAB to switch open programs.

But seems a good description for those users fuzzy about their taskbar......

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 19:57:05 Z

why did microsoft remove the inkball game that used to be in vista and XP tablet pc edition? I want them to put that game back in windows so that it will appear in Windows 7. it also seems that they removed the Pinball game. i would like them to put that game back in as well. I also remember Windows 95 having jezzball in it. I would like for microsoft to put that game in Windows 7 as well because that game is fun as well.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:12:20 Z

I've tried the Beta versions for a while and now the RC (32 bits)

What I found is the RC is less stable than the betas. I've random (or almost) errors more frequently than on any other windows.

I set a home/work netowrk almost easy in beta (as easy as it can be in every windows, it is: get luck!) but I can't do this in RC. I've tried everything.

I founded uncompatibilities on much programs. I don't found it on beta W7.

I have to uninstall Microsoft (repeat, Microsoft) Filght Simulator 2004 and now even FSX (Microsoft's also) because of the erratic behavior and sudden errors.

I found W7 notoriously faster than XP and I'm happy with this, but I feel I cannot trust on the OS as I can with XP.

--------------------

As suggestions: I agree with the request of an individual folder customisation (as in XP) and I have suggested (in this forum) a new way for the delete/copy/move statements: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/ddd1e6ff-f3cd-45da-bcad-114365047158

And I strongly agree with the people who don't want a Mac Os, I want a Windows (a better windows) too.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:38:42 Z

I refuse to use media player 12 due to its hideous color scheme. Will you return the color picker that was in media player verisons 9, 10 and 11?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 20:40:42 Z

Hi,

The only problem that I face so far with build 7100 RC is as follows :

My scanner ( a Canon LiDE500F ) does not come back to live when I wake up my Win7RC machine after it went to sleep.

It appears as if the scanner is simply not connected.

When I restart the system, everything is back to normal again.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 21:55:00 Z

First I should thank MSFT for the wonderfull wellthought new taskbar specially the surprising progress bar preview for the operations on the program Icon container

Then Is there a chance for the full release to have 2 minor changes on the taskbar?

1. Apearing a number on each taskbar item for more convenient "winkey + #" switch to the item once you hold the winkey, so you don't have to count each time.

2. I think it would be much more stylish if the "hidden tray icons" dialog had a glassy BG like the "Desktop Gadget Gallery" has not a white color BG and a border.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:13:41 Z

A few things that bother me:
- parts of UI now eat the second click when double-clicking them. This slows me down, and and sometimes breaks my concentration when doing things that used to be routine
- tab order in open/save dialogs is still broken (this is a complaint I have about Vista, too) - the column headers in the file list are placed in tab order between the file list and File name textbox - IMHO they should be in tab order before the file list

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 22:17:40 Z

Hi! One of the things I like most about Windows 7 is the window preview.

Earlier today, I was playing an online game and working on some documents.
At some point, I had to just click somewhere inside the game window in order for my character to continue doing what he was doing.
The window preview shows animations live and is big enough for me to see just about everything inside it.
It would be even better if I could just hold the windows key, or any other key, and click inside it without ever maximizing the program!

I believe this could be used in any number of situations as well, and would take the windows preview another (great) step forward.
If we can see the window as it is at that exact moment, we might as well be able to click inside it!

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Yara Mayer

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Mon, 25 May 2009 23:39:58 Z

something i *hate* in windows 7 is that it seems as bad if not worse than vista at remembering your folder view. in short, i **never** want to have the folders set to video or image. only general.

mark explained in my thead here:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/9e8b5b54-aa47-42c9-8ead-acfca7cd6a99

that this is by design and that the folder view will change back to what microsoft has already decided it should be over what i want it to be.

as this is now an RC, i expect nothing will be changed and that as per XP, and the same bug in vista it will be down to some knowledable person to release a fix by messing around with the registry. same as microsofts choice to open new folder views in 'libraries' (pointless since i dont and wont ever use them) and we have to use common 'hack's to get things back the way they should be (in case i'm not clear - the way they should be = we have a choice).

here's hoping it's soon

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 01:08:33 Z

I am posting this here because of a suggestion from Mark Ferguson concerning the post I made in the Windows 7 Performance thread. I am a computer professional. My title is Senior Financial Systems analyst. I am responsible for programming, systems maintenance and hardware maintenance in the Finance department at our company, which is the home office for a large life insurance company. In my spare time, my hobbies are music composition using my computer and honing my computer skills by learning, extending and working with new products as they come out. I am a MSDN subscriber. I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 4000+, 4gb of memory, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. I have been using Windows XP x64 for a number of months now. I tried to install VISTA Premium x64. It stops in the Completing Installation step. I was able to get VISTA Premium x86 to install but I have video problems with flashing tic-tac-toe type boxes around each window. I was excited to hear that Windows 7 was being released. I have attempted to install both Windows 7 x86 and x64. I have the same video problems with x86 that I had with VISTA. The x64 installation stops in the Completing Installation step just like VISTA. I have spent quite a few hours now trying to do these installations and I finally have given up on trying to get either VISTA or now Windows 7 installed. If a seasoned professional like myself who works with these technical aspects everyday gives up, I have no doubt how other non-technical people will react to these installation problems. I think you, Microsoft, have issues you need to start addressing. I'm sticking with Windows XP x86 and x64 (both installed on my machine) and anybody that asks for my advice, I will not endorse VISTA or Windows 7 including the company I work for.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 05:02:16 Z

Defrag will not run, no matter which way I try it. Nothing happens when I click on it.
Windows Update does not work, even though it did at first. Error code 80070570

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 06:09:43 Z

Wow there are TONS of good suggestions that had better be implemented in win7!
Please, to msft employees, make sure you read and use these suggestions!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 06:26:06 Z

Wow there are TONS of good suggestions that had better be implemented in win7!

Please, to msft employees, make sure you read and use these suggestions!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:19:51 Z

Please fix this important bug!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:23:50 Z

Dong Luu -

Er.. Exactly which important bug do you mean?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:37:26 Z

I was unable to start the Windows 7 RC x64 ISO using UEFI 2.0 64-bit firmware (Tianocore.org EDK DUET in a USB pendrive). I have already installed Vista x64 SP2 in GPT disk and it is working flawlessly. I was able to boot the Vista x64 SP1 DVD in UEFI mode without any problems. I even recreated the Win7 DVD by replacing the /efi folder, bootmgr file, bootmgr.efi and '/sources/boot.wim' files of the Win7 ISO with those from the Vista x64 SP1 DVD ISO and recreated the ISO using oscdimg tool from WAIK :

oscdimg -w4 -os -lWin7V_RC1_UEFI_ISUDF -m -o -u1 -udfver102 -pEF -e -be:\Win7\efi\microsoft\boot\efisys.bin e:\Win7 e:\Microsoft_Windows_7V_x64_RC1_UEFI_ISO9660_UDF102.iso

           The Win 7 RC x64 DVD boot fine in BIOS mode but under UEFI boot mode the prompt appears "Press any key to boot from DVD ..." , but if I press any key it just restarts. The DVD does not go beyond this stage "Press any key to boot from DVD ..." when booting from /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI in the UEFI shell. It simply reboots.This happened with the DVD created with original ISO.

           The DVD created using the modified ISO file boots into VISTA setup but installs WINDOWS 7 (not Vista) correctly. Now this is not a problem as I used boot.wim file from Vista x64 SP1 DVD. What I am suggesting is that the ".efi" files in the Win 7 x64 RC DVD or the ISO might be corrupted or not standard UEFI 2.0 applications unlike those from the Vista x64 SP1 DVD.

           THE DVD DOES NOT BOOT IN UEFI MODE. IT BOOT FINE IN BIOS MODE. I request Microsoft to check the ".efi" files that come with Win 7 DVD and test UEFI boot with it.

   I was able to boot from the modified DVD and install Win 7 x64 RC Ultimate in a DUAL-BOOT setup with Vista x64 SP2 Home Premium. But again the /Windows/System32/winload.efi of Win 7 file seems to be corrupted and after reboot during the installation, Windows 7 does not even boot up to go into "Completing Installation" and "Setup is preparing the computer for 1st time use" stage. For this I replaced the winload.efi file with same file taken from my already installed Vista x64 SP2 (which boots up fine).

           After this the computer boot into Windows 7 but it again reboots after loading "DISK.SYS" file while loading the drivers. While this may not be connected to UEFI boot problem described here this problem has been faced by many people even under BIOS boot.

           I request Microsoft to sort out both the UEFI boot problem (especially winload.efi and bootmgr.efi files) and the "drivers not loading" (DISK.SYS) problem.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:47:35 Z

Sony Vaio / s on windows 7 speedy and working fine………………………

I have to say I am very happy with Windows 7 I have managed to get my Sony Vaio AW11XU/Q AR71ZU and my older 3.2 GHz HT GRT380ZG to all work ok. The AR71ZU does not like the Sony short cut button software. But the other two all work as they should. The AW11 and AR71 are running the 64 bit version.

It took some looking to find the drivers and software to be compatible but after hours of looking and experimenting I got there.

The TVs work super well, speed is just fine and if you’re complaining about speed, it’s time to upgrade your P1 people ok.

The one problem I have had is the screen standby on and off. When it comes back on from mouse or keypad touch it seems to have a heart attack, so I don’t turn the screen into standby any more that fixed it :-)

I run 4 monitors of the AW11XU/Q Vaio and they are working splendidly.

All in all I think MS finally have got their act together and made a winner, and as I say in an earlier thread when you consider what an O/S does the things it has to do and software it installs in so many configurations its magical it works at all. See my thread on:

HOW TO MAKE WINDOWS 7 TASKBAR 100% BETTER +....................................

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 07:48:19 Z

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE

I don’t know why MS did not contact me when writing to them about this and other matters in the Beta release, maybe they were sleeping?

The taskbar that comes with Windows 7 is not very good in that you cannot easily see what is open and what is not. The solution is very easy.

Earlier MS O/S had a taskbar and many people did not know or failed to use this feature.

It really is a super part of windows enabling you to open close and go to other windows / programs without shutting the window you’re in to get to another program on the desktop.

MS has now forced you to use this system, but failed to make it better, and actually made it worse.

To facilitate the taskbar, first remove all the program icons from it.

(Right click on the icons and select unpin.) And don’t pin any more to it.

Next unlock the taskbar, so you can drag it up and make it twice as high.

(Right click on taskbar and select, Lock taskbar, this will unlock it.) Now drag it up.

I also hide my tack bar; well you get more screen space by doing this. You want a bigger monitor don’t you? So hide the taskbar, it will reappear when you move your mouse to the bottom of the screen so don’t worry.

(To hide the tack bar, right click on the taskbar, select Properties and then select the box: Auto Hide Task bar)

Now make a folder in C: drive, (I put it in Program files.) (Name the folder as you wish to) Now put all the program icon shortcuts in it that you want to use.

Right click on the taskbar, and select Taskbars, then go to New Taskbar, then go to where you made the icon shortcut folder and select that folder.

It will now open in the right side of the taskbar. Drag it over to the start button side and let go. And you have basically two lines now, the upper line will show you what is open and the lower line will give you super quick short cuts.

To finish right click the bottom (NEW) taskbar with your icons so you can click on the the show title and show text, and it now shows just the icons without the writing.

If you wish you can make the icons big or small, right click lower taskbar and select view.

See the finished desktop Jpg here free download

http://rapidshare.com/files/237081299/Desktop.jpg

When you consider what an O/S does, all the computer parts it has to contend with, find and install. It’s magical that it works at all. All the updates MS give you after you bought it too. Consider XP if you bought it at the beginning you have had years of use and consistent updates at no extra cost it has worked out at a few cents a day. When you consider an O/S is not just a CD/DVD but many thousands on man hours of work that has to be paid for, it’s not so bad. Just because you see a plastic disk for your payment consider all the work that went to make it and the after support. In today’s computer world it is madness to not have a legal copy of your O/S that is updatable to combat all the nasty things people are trying to send to you.

Remember most illegal software you download has something nasty in it; they did not spend hours and hours making it for you for free, there after your info and more. Wouldn’t it be a sad PC world without MS?

Before Bill had all his wealth he gave MS Dos away for free, so hes not so bad, and I understand he's giving most of his bank account back to people who deserve some help, so maybe were donating to a large trust fund as well as buying an O/S, well done Bill. G.

Dear MS when I open a new window that was previously shown in one of my now multi closed screens I cannot move it to my open screen window, like I used to be able to. PLEASE SORT IT OUT

Dear MS can I have the option to turn off the auto window maximize when I move my window the side or top of the screen.

Dear MS can I have the option for my taskbar to be on all four screens at once please, it would help.

Dear MS Please make a better disk checker too, as it says my drive is fine but I know it is not.

Dear MS I need employment, I work from home so don’t need an office, and I don’t need $200 an hour for my work.

Dear MS don’t overcharge me for Windows 7 ok, I want to be legal but not robed to be legal ok.

DON'T FORGET TO VOTE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 09:28:31 Z

2 Terabytes -

1.) Microsoft didn't contact ANYONE during the Beta phase regarding issues. They took feedback, requests and complaints, noted them, and logged them. They did say the feedback was going to be only ONE way. From US to THEM, not the other way around.

2.) Congratulations.. You've taken a BIG step back and invented - the old QuickLaunch bar...! But hey, whatever works for you.

3.) Neither Bill Gates nor Microsoft ever really gave away DOS nor Windows. People pirated copies all the time, however, mainly because it was a good OS for it's day and there wasn't any copy protection included. Microsoft may have looked the other way to some degree given it did help them build their empire.

4.) If you want a job with Microsoft - you probably should contact their Human Resources department. That would likely be more effective than posting a job request here...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 10:02:00 Z

My general comments on Windows 7?

Well, first to say, it is a lot like Vista. Sure, Vista was a major upgrade since Windows 95 but I think Vista fails mainly in it's marketing campaign. Lot's of users don't make the upgrade from Vista.
Win7 looks to me like a brushed and polished version of Vista which will have a much broader marketing campaign at the final release I guess.

On Vista, many of my PC's device were not recognized but with 7, everything works without even installing 1 single device driver! Windows is getting mature!

Overall stability is very good and I think 7 is prepared for the future.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 11:08:53 Z

I second Lory here. Though still a testing environment, the RC is quite satisfactory. I use it full scale / production wise with visual studio 2008 without any serious issues. Anyway, if you aren't prepared to run into some kind of problems, don't do beta testing. LOL

There is an issue however with the speech recognition. Some operation invoke the UAC. Now that's normal; what isn't, is that the UAC popup sort of disables the speech recognition which has to be re-enabled using the mouse.
I'm not disabled, so I do not really mind, but I know some people who are not exactly going to like that.
Voice recognition is really a good tool once you've trained your computer to understand you.
btw an easy way to edit the dictionnary would be welcome, as well as a filter to ignore the sound of the keyboard (voice recognition types "pop" at "Enter").

Regards

Rem

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 11:30:25 Z

Yes I heard and read about Speech recognition issues Zeus. No one in my country is using this feature anyway..... so who cares?

But in my opinion that is because Win7 seems to detect mainy soundcards without driver, using one out of it's own driver cabinet files. The user doesn't care installing the vendor driver over it, because hey, my sound is working!

With soundcards mainly in laptops becoming so technically complex, I think the default picked driver seems to fail in it's Mic functionality.

So MS has to stick a better driver in Win7 to solve this, or hardware vendors have to supply drivers again.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 11:44:39 Z

Lory -

I suppose the situation with drivers depends largely on what you've got. Some people had nothing but problems with the Vista Beta - but for some reason, my installation of Beta 2 found EVERYTHING and installed the right drivers for them. The same went for the Vista RC as well as for Windows 7 Beta and RC.I'm guessing my hardware is just too...generic... It wasn't all that old when Vista Beta 2 was released - maybe a few months old at the time.

For the record, hardware vendors DO supply the drivers found in all Windows distributions. The ones that are found on the disk, however are put through the electron microscope treatment to make sure they work properly.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 11:59:38 Z

Hi Lory
"No one in my country" Your country Holland?
I'm born dutch, but from english origin, and living and working in France.

I tried voice recognition with the beta (american) and now with the RC (which for family's sake is in french).
I didn't really have any issues with my soundboard, which was recognized for what it is (a cheap no nonsense realtek). The driver (a microsoft one) does its job fairly good I'd say.

IMO Vista didn't just suffer from marketing problems. Someone asked me once which computer virus was the hardest to recover from; my answer was Vista. Too much strain on the hardware. Anyway most of my clients don't use Vista, and in order to develop programmes without too much compatibility issues, I downgraded to XP. Now with Windows 7, I might suggest to some of my clients to invest some money.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 12:12:51 Z

IMO Vista didn't just suffer from marketing problems. Someone asked me once which computer virus was the hardest to recover from; my answer was Vista. Too much strain on the hardware. Anyway most of my clients don't use Vista, and in order to develop programmes without too much compatibility issues, I downgraded to XP. Now with Windows 7, I might suggest to some of my clients to invest some money.

Exactly... Vista was way too problematic and hardware-consuming. And it was just a prettier version of XP (Microsoft, please correct me if I'm wrong), with some components removed and some added, and reorganized folders and the concept of libraries.
But then, as far as I know, Windows 7 has actually been rewritten , which I think is the first step to building a truly great Microsoft OS at this point. Otherwise it would be just another patched up product (sorry, Microsoft, but it's true).
Anyway, I'm with you and a lot of people on this when I say that I supported XP, didn't and wouldn't ever support Vista, and now support Windows 7.

So thank you Microsoft for your effort in building and improving Windows 7! And for listening in on what we users have to say.
Regards,
Yara Mayer

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 12:35:28 Z

Yara -

Vista is not and never was a "prettier version of XP". Vista was a fairly dramatic upgrade from XP - in many ways. While it shared many common elements with XP, (it had a taskbar, it had a start button, used NTFS for it's file system, etc...) it was pretty much a total rewrite. XP is NT 5.1, Vista is NT 6.0 and Windows 7 is NT 6.1.

Libraries were NOT part of Vista. That feature was introduced in Windows 7.

Win 7 isn't a complete rewrite as Vista was. There were elements of some other projects that were used to optimize and clean up a lot of the code in Vista - which is why Windows 7 is so much faster than Vista.

Personally, I had no problems with supporting Vista... Didn't have too many clients who had it though.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 13:11:31 Z

Exactly... Vista was way too problematic and hardware-consuming. And it was just a prettier version of XP (Microsoft, please correct me if I'm wrong), with some components removed and some added, and reorganized folders and the concept of libraries.
But then, as far as I know, Windows 7 has actually been rewritten , which I think is the first step to building a truly great Microsoft OS at this point. Otherwise it would be just another patched up product (sorry, Microsoft, but it's true).

Sorry dude but that's just exactly the opposite.
Vista was a huge rewrite of XP. A lot of components were completely new (new graphics stack, new model drivers, new network stakck, new audio stack, etc., hence the bugs, the lack of optimization on some stuff).
Windows 7 is just a fine tuning of the original NT6. A very fine one, yes, but still. It's just about optimizing, reorganizing the UI and adding a bunch of new features. Well, basically.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 13:18:17 Z

PLEASE bring back the WMP11 toolbar! iv have changed back to WMP11 just so i can have my toolbar back. One possiblity is replacing the peak window with the same features as the WMP11 toolbar.

Another issuse is i had to rollback to a previous realtek ethernet driver inorder for the networking to work. Troubshooting was useless!

otherwise theres no doubt W7 is the greatest OS released!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 13:22:50 Z

Windows 7 is just a fine tuning of the original NT6. A very fine one, yes, but still. It's just about optimizing, reorganizing the UI and adding a bunch of new features. Well, basically.

If it was just that, don't you think they'd have had that done within Vista's lifecycle? It's more a major overhaul. The vista basics are still there because they were globally good. They needed some rewriting to speed them up.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 13:34:04 Z

Wolfie2k6 and Mictateur, Guess I mixed them up then.
The libraries I mentioned in Vista was being able to set the location of Profile folders - not add multiple folders like we can in Windows 7. I used the wrong term, it seems.
But regardless, Vista was not widely accepted by IT professionals worldwide, and Windows 7 is , and for that I'm happy.

Zeus76,
I agree with you again. And I also don't believe it's just for the sake of marketing that Windows 7 is being made separately...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 13:36:02 Z

Windows 7 is on all my 3 PC´s installed, they make backups to a external usb disk and a windows home server.
can you integrate the windows home server in the backup from windows 7 (status, schedule, ...) when i have installed a whs connector on a windows 7 pc, please

Greetz Joerg

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 14:04:19 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2)>

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

I are getting too many mails from this forum. I cannot read all. I tried to unsubscribe at http://alerts.live.com/alerts/MyAlerts.aspx?lcid=1033 , but I continuously get a 404 error when clicking on the unsubscribe for this forum.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 14:25:55 Z

Yes, i have a comment about Win 7. I originally posted it here.

Here's what is posted there...

I am a minimalist. i prefer my ui to be clean, logical, sparse. i don't like the "i'm a r3t@rd, give me pretty colors so i can pay attention / jolly rancher candy hued" interfaces like what the default setting for vista and now Win7 both use. so the first thing i do is right click the task bar, go to properties, go to the start menu tab and select Classic Start Menu.

I install Win 7 and expect to do this in the very beginning, as i see the whole "Jolly Ranger Candy Interface" on boot up... and that option isn't anywhere to be found. Sure, i was able to strip away the "gooey" (ya pun intended) effects but still had that terrible Start menu layout to contend with... no classic start menu available. Win 7 existed on my machine for an entire 30 min when i discovered this minor adjustment was not available. I have no qualms in NEVER putting Win 7 on my machine due to it lacking this feature. Many games and programs have been ignored due to terrible interface decisions. Not putting the Classis Start Menu option on Win 7's final release would most definitely count as a TERRIBLE INTERFACE DECISION.

I am sure i am not alone but i hate the "Start Block" menu.

Please give us the Classic Start menu. I know others are asking for this because i found this thread -- Missing Classic Start menu...

wake up microsoft... the masses are speaking. You are offering the Win 7 RC to open testing and feedback. THIS IS FEEDBACK. THIS IS WHAT USERS ARE QUITE OBVIOUSLY WANTING.

Make it so.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 14:35:37 Z

I am sure i am not alone but i hate the "Start Block" menu.

Please give us the Classic Start menu. I know others are asking for this because i found this thread -- Missing Classic Start menu...

wake up microsoft... the masses are speaking. You are offering the Win 7 RC to open testing and feedback. THIS IS FEEDBACK. THIS IS WHAT USERS ARE QUITE OBVIOUSLY WANTING.

Make it so.

I am sure I am not alone but I like the new Start menu.
Actually, I don't even understand why you'd want to go back. Face it, the old menu sucks. No easy access to the user folders or the control panel, no quick search, the "all programs" thingy wan get waaaay out of hand pretty quick, no way to put the computer to sleep in a click, etc.

I fail to see what is compelling there. It's good for XP era OSes, but for now? I don't wanna part with the instant search feature anytime soon.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 15:04:56 Z

I am sure I am not alone but I like the new Start menu.
Actually, I don't even understand why you'd want to go back. Face it, the old menu sucks. No easy access to the user folders or the control panel, no quick search, the "all programs" thingy wan get waaaay out of hand pretty quick, no way to put the computer to sleep in a click, etc.

I fail to see what is compelling there. It's good for XP era OSes, but for now? I don't wanna part with the instant search feature anytime soon.

seriously? "no control panel access"... umm, did you look under the "Settings"? "no easy access to user folders"... did you look under "Documents"? "no quick search"... i don't even know what to say about that except /facepalm and good grief. "no way to put computer to sleep in a click"... hate it when i have to click TWICE!!! of course, setting up your power button to work like that is also such a chore as well... "The out of control All Programs thing"... those darn out of control thingys... because that whole "Use Personalized menus" feature is out of the question.

sorry Mic, but every single response you've given basically just says you want Microsoft to run your computer for you and that you have absolutely no intention of even attempting to make use of the system on your own terms. That's like a person who says they are not a bad parent yet their kid got electricuted because he put his finger in a wall outlet. You're basically not taking responsibility for your own actions / well-being. Every single response you mentioned can be easily adjusted for your use simply by right clicking on the start bar, go to Properties, and modifiying your Start Tab options. Unless of course, taking responsibility for your own actions and well-being just isn't something you feel you're capable of doing.

No reason the classic menu to not be an option for those of us who don't want to be lead around by the hand throughout the entire computer experience. For those who do, there's "easy mode", complete with all the pretty colors and Jolly rancher candy effects you can handle and appreciate. But on a professional level, that not only looks rediculous but is also highly inefficient.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 15:28:47 Z

Windows 7 RC - Multiple Monitor Photo Screensaver

On my multiple monitor system, the photo screen saver blacks out one monitor and displays the photo on only one monitor. I suspect that with more than 2 monitors, all but one would be blacked out but I haven't tried this yet.

This is not nearly as nice as the photo screen saver with XP or Vista where the photos alternate between monitors with different transitions to choose from. It's a real shame to lose this feature.

Better yet is the way it is done with the Picasa screen saver where different photos are displayed on each monitor and change at different intervals.

Patty

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 15:47:31 Z

Please add an option for a Classic Start Menu. Thanks.

i think we all would like the originall claasic start menu option back. for all we know microsoft just removed it because of the damned graphics options in Windows 7. did anyone ever check to see if Windows 7 basic or Windows 7 starter edition still have the classic menu? (because of their limited capibilities and suckishness...lol) remember that in vista the different editions had slightly different theme options.

For me in a way, i like the new Windows 7 start menu, its better than the vista start menu, but i still want the Windows 2000 classic start menu option back because its nice, simple, and easy to use.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 15:50:55 Z

I have just one suggestion:

Microsoft, please let us pin folders to the Start Menu (left side). That way we can neatly organize our programs the way we want, and have them easily accessible.

It would be like the Jump Lists in Start Menu and look something like this:

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 15:53:38 Z

Please add an option to remove 'favorites' and 'libraries' from 'My Computer' navigation pane.

i guess it would be nice to have a better selection of what items appear there and what items don't just like in Windows XP. Of course then, microsoft gave us a utility for that. it did other things as well. you remember the microsoft powertools for Windows XP? hopefully they will have things like that for Windows 7, except for they will be integrated into the operating system for greater ease....

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 16:06:28 Z

Windows 7 RC - Multiple Monitor Photo Screensaver

On my multiple monitor system, the photo screen saver blacks out one monitor and displays the photo on only one monitor. I suspect that with more than 2 monitors, all but one would be blacked out but I haven't tried this yet.

This is not nearly as nice as the photo screen saver with XP or Vista where the photos alternate between monitors with different transitions to choose from. It's a real shame to lose this feature.

Better yet is the way it is done with the Picasa screen saver where different photos are displayed on each monitor and change at different intervals.

Patty

i transfered screen savers from Windows 98 and Windows 2000 to Windows 7 and now certain ones are not working, which really sucks. i even transfered some screen savers from 98 from that were seemingly in vista, the only differnce being the settings for them, like the 3d text screen saver from Windows 2000. i just wish the 16-bit ones worked, but those did not even work under XP. One screen saver that stopped working in Windows 7 was the channel screen saver. at least my Windows 2000 logo screen saver still works, because i hated all the other Windows logo screen savers after that...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 16:22:40 Z

i transfered screen savers from Windows 98 and Windows 2000 to Windows 7 and now certain ones are not working, which really sucks. i even transfered some screen savers from 98 from that were seemingly in vista, the only differnce being the settings for them, like the 3d text screen saver from Windows 2000. i just wish the 16-bit ones worked, but those did not even work under XP. One screen saver that stopped working in Windows 7 was the channel screen saver. at least my Windows 2000 logo screen saver still works, because i hated all the other Windows logo screen savers after that...

Roflcopter! :D

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 17:42:55 Z

Btw, what happened to WMP's "Show List" button? It was there in Beta, but is gone in RC. I think that was a very nice and usable feature, without which WMP is a lot worse -- I don't want to open the whole big Library window just to choose a different song from an active playlist :(

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 18:02:56 Z

seriously? "no control panel access"... umm, did you look under the "Settings"? "no easy access to user folders"... did you look under "Documents"? "no quick search"... i don't even know what to say about that except /facepalm and good grief. "no way to put computer to sleep in a click"... hate it when i have to click TWICE!!! of course, setting up your power button to work like that is also such a chore as well... "The out of control All Programs thing"... those darn out of control thingys... because that whole "Use Personalized menus" feature is out of the question.

sorry Mic, but every single response you've given basically just says you want Microsoft to run your computer for you and that you have absolutely no intention of even attempting to make use of the system on your own terms. That's like a person who says they are not a bad parent yet their kid got electricuted because he put his finger in a wall outlet. You're basically not taking responsibility for your own actions / well-being. Every single response you mentioned can be easily adjusted for your use simply by right clicking on the start bar, go to Properties, and modifiying your Start Tab options. Unless of course, taking responsibility for your own actions and well-being just isn't something you feel you're capable of doing.

No reason the classic menu to not be an option for those of us who don't want to be lead around by the hand throughout the entire computer experience. For those who do, there's "easy mode", complete with all the pretty colors and Jolly rancher candy effects you can handle and appreciate. But on a professional level, that not only looks rediculous but is also highly inefficient.

Jeez. It's not in the OS, get over it. It's... well... ugly, very Win95-like in fact.
I asked for a reason you want it back, i.e. a feature that the old Start menu has that ain't in the new one. Except thinly-veiled insults, I didn't get much...
With the new one, in one single click, I can have several things what I use all the time. Plus, it's prettier, it's better organized and it even has instant search over a lot of things (apps, documents, e-mails, favorites, etc.).

So instead of accusing of "not taking responsibility for your own actions / well-being", why don't you teach me what is in the old one you want so much? (well, except "it's the old one and I'm used to it so keep it in!"...

"hate it when i have to click TWICE!!!"
--> That was like the number one things people hated in the Vista control panel: they had to click a lot to configure network stuff for example. Apparently, people care about clicking once vs. clicking several times.

I sometimes understand why people want to go back (the compatibility issues or hardware requirements with Vista were pretty understandable in early 2007...), but like I said, I fail to see what is compelling there.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 18:07:43 Z

If it was just that, don't you think they'd have had that done within Vista's lifecycle? It's more a major overhaul. The vista basics are still there because they were globally good. They needed some rewriting to speed them up.

Well sure, but there wasn't as much rewriting of existing stuff in Win7 as there was in Vista. ;o)
I was merely comparing the gap between XP/Vista and Vista/7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 18:26:41 Z

Another thing bother me: I have folders with a lot of images and folders with lots of movies. Every time I open one of this folders I see the bar filling for a looooot of time. I know the old thumbs.db hidden in every folder was replaced (since Vista?) for [disk]:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer and several thumbcache*.db anyway, it seems not work as one wish.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 18:34:59 Z

Another thing bother me: I have folders with a lot of images and folders with lots of movies. Every time I open one of this folders I see the bar filling for a looooot of time. I know the old thumbs.db hidden in every folder was replaced (since Vista?) for [disk]:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer and several thumbcache*.db anyway, it seems not work as one wish.

I didn't realize about the thumbs.db. I wondered what happend to that.

I mention this because I noticed when I created some .ico files then updated them, the thumbnails failed to update properly. In fact, it turned into a weird situation where when I zoomed in and out using ctrl+mousewheel, at some zoom levels it would show me the correct modified thumbnail, but at others it would show the original unmodified thumbnail. Even stranger, when I tried to replace one .ico file with another, when I renamed the new file to the same name as the old file, it's thumbnail suddenly turned into that of the old file, even though if I opened it it was clearly the new one.

There's obviously a problem with the thumbnail refresh, at least with .ico files if not generally. Also, I couldn't figure out any way to force a refresh. F5 or clicking ont he refresh button didn't help, neither did shift+, ctrl+, alt+ either of those. In the past I'd have erase the thumbs.db file then hit refresh, but I couldn't find it.

I hope this bug can be fixed for the RTM. As well, it would be helpful to have a way to force a refresh.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 19:17:25 Z

Windows Live Mail (as all other mail programs from Microsoft) seriously lacks parallel programming. Here are my 2 cents:

When synchronizing multiple accounts, they should really be done simultaneously. This should be extended to synchronizing each folder of a specific account in parallel, if the server allows it. The actual transfer time to download a mail is most often less than the latencies involved in the transfer, so this would greatly speed things up.

The application interface should never be blocked by the network. Every time message flags are modified (mark as read, etc.), the interface locks until the operation has completed. This is very irritating, especially on slower connections. And on less reliable connections it gets even worse - the interface locks until the operation times out. These things should all be done in the background!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 19:41:11 Z

A user in this thread requests that the standard VGA driver be made to support 16:10 resolutions, which seems to me very reasonable.

-Alex

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 20:32:57 Z

I'm having continual problems with Windows Update. I think it's very buggy. I keep getting Code 80072F78 Windows Update encountered an unknown error. This isn't a very helpful message nor is the linked help which is mostly about Internet connectivity issues of which I'm not having any.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 20:36:02 Z

Bug report - Windows Explorer - expanding folders in left hand pane with a double-click

Something weird happens intermittently if you use double-click to expand a folder in the left pane of Explorer.

To see the problem, the best thing to do is make the Explorer window fairly shallow, and then familiarise yourself with what happens when you use the little arrows to expand the folders. Work through your folder tree and watch what happens when the sub-folder list is: a/ shorter than the height of the pane; b/ longer than the height of the pane. The behaviour is consistent and actually quite clever.

Now repeat the exercise, but double-click the folder names instead of using the little arrows. The behaviour is really weird and inconsistent, depending on exactly where in the pane the folder is when you double-click it. It's difficult to see exactly what is going on, but if the folder is towards the bottom of the pane, the folder seems to open and then immediately close again. Also, the clever scrolling of the folders seems to get messed up, too. I'm sure it's all part of the same problem.

It's as if the second click doesn't get "eaten" and immediately activates another action. This is only a guess, though - I haven't yet spotted a recognisable pattern.

Thack

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 20:48:07 Z

I once had the same problem on Vista, but a reinstall fixed it.

My problem with Windows Update is that it doesn't show on Start Menu's Most Recently Used list (left side of the menu). It did show there in Vista, and that way it always reminded me to check for updates. Please fix this, MS :)

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 20:53:38 Z

I'd REALLY like to see the ability to set folder sizes for individual folders, I can't imagine why that functionality was removed!

MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 20:58:03 Z

i transfered screen savers from Windows 98 and Windows 2000 to Windows 7 and now certain ones are not working, which really sucks. i even transfered some screen savers from 98 from that were seemingly in vista, the only differnce being the settings for them, like the 3d text screen saver from Windows 2000. i just wish the 16-bit ones worked, but those did not even work under XP. One screen saver that stopped working in Windows 7 was the channel screen saver. at least my Windows 2000 logo screen saver still works, because i hated all the other Windows logo screen savers after that...
Roflcopter! :D
Regards, Kristaps.

and by the way i am also transfering wallpapters from older operating systems as well. i like the wallpapers from Windows 2000, like the snow trees background for example. I think microsoft should add screen savers and wallpapers from older operating systems into Windows 7 so that we can have a greater collection and a greater selection to pick from.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 21:19:00 Z

I'm having continual problems with Windows Update. I think it's very buggy. I keep getting Code 80072F78 Windows Update encountered an unknown error. This isn't a very helpful message nor is the linked help which is mostly about Internet connectivity issues of which I'm not having any.

Have you tried disabling the Windows Update service, deleting the contents of C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution then reenabling Windows Update? I haven't had that error with Windows 7 but did with Vista and that was the simplest solutiion.

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 21:31:37 Z

I have two XP PCs and two W7 RC1 PCs on my network. I was able to add a Music folder on one XP box to the W7 Music library. It works fine. When I went to add a folder called Photos on the second XP PC and I get the "Not Indexed" message. I checked this PC and it has Search 4 running, the folder has been indexed by S4, Simple File Sharing is turned off, and the share has "Everyone" with Read Change permissions. It still won't let me add it to the library

The folders in the Library continue to work OK.

This was discussed in depth on another thread here

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/678baaa9-fd75-4d2b-8aa8-60bb5af050c5

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 22:02:21 Z

I just finished installing the new Latvian interface language pack. Overall I like it (much better than Vista, giant leap over XP), but there are still some quirks.

For example, in Windows Update, the update counter's text is wrapped, which makes it look really ugly:

And why doesn't that whole panel expand to the Window's width? It's pretty bad UI if you ask me.

Also there are several things that haven't been translated, like the "Next Desktop Background" button [also "Atsaukt Dzēst" should be "Atsaukt dzēšanu" instead] :

Also many translations need to be made shorter, because currently they take up huge amounts of space [see upper screenshot, left side], thus making them less readable and useful (I prefer reading 3 short words in English than 7 long words in my native language, sorry)

But otherwise, good job! :) [even though most of the text has been carried over from Vista]

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 22:15:59 Z

Another thing is that the new language packs are taking up way too much space in Windows Update's update list, unless I hide them all.
The language packs should be moved to their own separate category in Windows Update, and probably integrated with Control Panel -> Region and Language too.

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 22:43:13 Z

When you save photos from the net it doesn’t remember the last location you saved the pictures if you choose any other folder or hdd than the folder pictures

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Tue, 26 May 2009 22:55:18 Z

I don¡t miss the thumbs.db. What I miss is the ability to open a folder without a searching bar working every time. I don't know why windows explorer needs to refresh always, even when I do no changes.

About Windows Live Mail, it don't closes 9 of every 10 times and remains wasting resources and memory in the background.

Another bug: sometimes the open programs disappears from the taskbar when minimized and is impossible to reopen.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 00:27:06 Z

I've started a thread on this issue, but apparently there's no answer to it, so I'll post it here instead. The taskbar disappears occasionally and it definitely has something to do with a certain amount of idle time. When I turn off the monitor manually (on a laptop that's done with a specific program), put the computer on sleep manually or hibernate manually, this never happens. When it does so automatically in accordance with my power settings, it does, however. All my graphics drivers are updated and windows itself is updated, and it happens even before I start installing programs. The following image shows what the problem looks like.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 00:59:46 Z

Hi,

I posted this note to another thread, and it was suggested that I mention it here:

In the last public beta build, there was an option to "Dim the Display" in the Power Management control panel. It's gone on my RC install. I've checked everywhere and I can't seem to find anywhere to change the dim the display options. A related issue is that my display stays at the same brightness whether I'm on a battery or power supply, not matter the power setting and there is no way to set the display in any of the power settings to be lower on battery power, like there is in Vista and XP.

I am running Windows 7 RC1, 7100 on a unibody Macbook under Boot Camp, with a NVidia 9400M and the latest Windows 7 driver from NVidia (185.85). I did a completely fresh install of the RC1.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 01:18:51 Z

When you save photos from the net it doesn’t remember the last location you saved the pictures if you choose any other folder or hdd than the folder pictures

This is an IE 8 Bug. It does the same thing on Vista AND XP. It also doesn't remember the last favorites location saved either.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 01:20:22 Z

Hi,

I posted this note to another thread, and it was suggested that I mention it here:

In the last public beta build, there was an option to "Dim the Display" in the Power Management control panel. It's gone on my RC install. I've checked everywhere and I can't seem to find anywhere to change the dim the display options. A related issue is that my display stays at the same brightness whether I'm on a battery or power supply, not matter the power setting and there is no way to set the display in any of the power settings to be lower on battery power, like there is in Vista and XP.

I am running Windows 7 RC1, 7100 on a unibody Macbook under Boot Camp, with a NVidia 9400M and the latest Windows 7 driver from NVidia (185.85). I did a completely fresh install of the RC1.

This is a feature usually installed or based on your graphics card driver. Only Laptops have the ability to dim. However, you should be able to do it with the keyboard FN keys regardless of OS.

Go to the manufacturer of your laptop and they should have a utility to do it. Whether it runs on Windows 7 or not is a question.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 01:37:11 Z

i noticed that certain copying operations have become faster, but also see that deleting files (especially huge 1gb+ files) and moving file to another location of same drive is now slower, any idea why?

start menu: still prefer the old slide-out-to-left-side programs menu.
bcos:
1. with the old menu, i can see all my programs and the shortcuts i pinned to start menu at the same time. the new menu blocks the shortcuts pinned.
2. my old xp menu's delay time was set to 0 seconds, was really fast and good for me, as my work requires me to open/close several programs frequently.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 01:52:49 Z

this is probably completely off topic at this point in the thread and it may have already been mentioned, but i don't want to read all of the 3 different threads that this topic has expanded to.

i just figured out that the "restore folders after reboot" option is no longer available.
WHAT THE ___?!?
why would you take out something as productive as that?? do you expect us to open notepad and write down all of the folders we have open so that we can open them again after we reboot? why not save us the time by adding one little checkbox in the "folder options -> view" menu? i'm sure it won't slow down the OS that much for those who don't use the feature, and for those of us that do it will save us TONS of time and we won't be aggrivated anymore!!!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 07:06:37 Z

this is probably completely off topic at this point in the thread and it may have already been mentioned, but i don't want to read all of the 3 different threads that this topic has expanded to.

i just figured out that the "restore folders after reboot" option is no longer available.
WHAT THE ___?!?
why would you take out something as productive as that?? do you expect us to open notepad and write down all of the folders we have open so that we can open them again after we reboot? why not save us the time by adding one little checkbox in the "folder options -> view" menu? i'm sure it won't slow down the OS that much for those who don't use the feature, and for those of us that do it will save us TONS of time and we won't be aggrivated anymore!!!

I concur! Although I still think removing even an option for having column headers visible in all views with Vista's functionality is even worse. The more I use Windows 7 the more I miss that feature. I'm rather ambivalent about Windows 7 because of this. The lack of similar functionality in new taskbar dropdowns, no visual indication of sorting or filtering, no filtering MENU (it's accessible only from the header dropdown in the details view) and the fact that subfolders of libraries behave differently and DON'T offer a grouping option and the arrange menu for libraries can't be used on individual subfolders and is not nearly as flexible as the normal grouping options, all make Windows Explorer so much more cumbersome to work with and also create the possiblity for serious confusion, especially if filtering is used since you can only get an indication of filtering in the details view and if you switch views then forget you had turned on filtering, you may never know where all your files disappeared to...

Please, let's improve the Explorer Options.

Oh, while I'm at it, why not add a "currently open places" icon underneat the "recent places icon" to make it easier to save files to locations that are already open in other Explorer Windows. This could also include locations where opened documents in applications are from.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 07:09:45 Z

i noticed that certain copying operations have become faster, but also see that deleting files (especially huge 1gb+ files) and moving file to another location of same drive is now slower, any idea why?

I've noticed this too. Sometimes recycling or moving files to the same drive takes an awfully long time. In the past these operations were essentially instantaneous. Even permanently deleting, rather than recycling, a folder with many files will be slow.

Also, sometimes the green bar in the address bar will take forever to get to the right side, as if Windows is searching for something, even though you're trying to access a folder on a local hard drive portable storage on a fast interface such as eSata or USB2.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 07:16:12 Z

I'm having continual problems with Windows Update. I think it's very buggy. I keep getting Code 80072F78 Windows Update encountered an unknown error. This isn't a very helpful message nor is the linked help which is mostly about Internet connectivity issues of which I'm not having any.

Have you tried disabling the Windows Update service, deleting the contents of C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution then reenabling Windows Update? I haven't had that error with Windows 7 but did with Vista and that was the simplest solutiion.

Stephen

Thanks for the tip. In the end I hit the "retry" button REPEATEDLY and after about a dozen or so attempts it finally successfully managed to install the updates. If it happens again I'll try your suggestion.

That being said, automatic updates are absolutely CRUCIAL since there's always new exploits and security flaws being discovered. Having a computer that can't update (potentially with a non-savvy user not even noticing) is a potential way of having malware like Conflicker spread more widely than it should. I think this is one area that Microsoft really needs to fix. Update should be bulletproof and if Windows detects that there is a problem with updating, it should have a method to heal itself. If the fix suggested above works, for isntance, then why isn't Windows doing this itself? Requiring complex workarounds or re-installation isn't really acceptable.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 07:19:26 Z

do you expect us to open notepad and write down all of the folders we have open so that we can open them again after we reboot?

Yes.

The lack of similar functionality in new taskbar dropdowns, no visual indication of sorting or filtering, no filtering MENU (it's accessible only from the header dropdown in the details view) and the fact that subfolders of libraries behave differently and DON'T offer a grouping option and the arrange menu for libraries can't be used on individual subfolders and is not nearly as flexible as the normal grouping options, all make Windows Explorer so much more cumbersome to work with and also create the possiblity for serious confusion, especially if filtering is used since you can only get an indication of filtering in the details view and if you switch views then forget you had turned on filtering, you may never know where all your files disappeared to...

That's one sentence. :))

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 07:23:49 Z

The lack of similar functionality in new taskbar dropdowns, no visual indication of sorting or filtering, no filtering MENU (it's accessible only from the header dropdown in the details view) and the fact that subfolders of libraries behave differently and DON'T offer a grouping option and the arrange menu for libraries can't be used on individual subfolders and is not nearly as flexible as the normal grouping options, all make Windows Explorer so much more cumbersome to work with and also create the possiblity for serious confusion, especially if filtering is used since you can only get an indication of filtering in the details view and if you switch views then forget you had turned on filtering, you may never know where all your files disappeared to...

That's one sentence . :))

Periods are precious; I don't waste them.... (D'oh!)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 09:20:35 Z

do you expect us to open notepad and write down all of the folders we have open so that we can open them again after we reboot?

Yes.

Oh you have GOT to be joking me. =P

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 10:15:15 Z

do you expect us to open notepad and write down all of the folders we have open so that we can open them again after we reboot?

Yes.

Oh you have GOT to be joking me. =P

No.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 15:24:39 Z

Since the release of Win 7 7100 I've put it on these machines:

IMac 20" (2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo , added 2G more ram up to 4G DDR-400) under VMWare Fusion.
> Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit.
Conclusion: works great, but limited gaming with video emulation.. need to run under BootCamp to play games.
Works great as a Terminal Server. 64 bit finally works great in a workstation environment. Vista 64 bit is ok.

HP Pavillion dv6400 (2Ghz Core Duo- not 64 bit, upgraded to 2G ram).
> dual booting with Vista Sp1 & Win 7 Ultimate x86.
Conclusion: better user experience than Vista. Aero (what a beautiful waste) works fine with GMA 945. Very wimpy
gaming with this onboard video, but that was a given.

HP Mini 1030NR (1.6Ghz Atom N260, upgraded to 2G ram).
> dual booting XP and Win 7 Ultimate x86.
Conclusion: takes twice as long to install from 8G thumb drive plus the time to setup the thumb drive.
Works great esp. hooked up to external monitor. Remote Desktop works great connecting to the IMac and the HP Notebook.
I've watched Fancast and Hulu with this Mini and didn't notice any frame loss. Streaming music from a Remote Desktop connection
works great.. I will try RD streaming video feature soon.

Compaq Presario 2103US (2.1Ghz AMD Mobile, upgraded to 1G ram) .
>Dual booting XP Pro & Win 7 Ultimate x86.
Conclusion: Yes it works fine with 1G of ram.. I am surprised! The sound chip is OOD as well as the Ethernet /10baseT chip.
That's probably why it isn't recommended for Win 7. So, I'm using a Belkin Wireless G PCCard and updated the driver (Broadcom wireless chip).

The sound was taken care of by hooking an unused USB sound stick, the size of a thumbdrive. It'sfrom Altec-Lansing, and have no idea what it came with.. software, I guess.
Usage of a PCCard USB 2 solution was a little flaky: I had to plug in and power an external eSATA/USB 2 HD for anything on an external powered
USB 2 hub to show up. I will try using an external Wireless USB receiver vice the PCCARD Wireless and see how it works.

Remote Desktop to the IMac running VMWare Fusion + Win 7 x64 and to the HP Laptop Win 7 or Vista works just fine and dandy.
The Presario was my work notebook for 1 1/2 years that was connected to a VMWare Development configuration.

I will put Win 7 Ult x86 on my old AMD 3200+ gaming PC but it needs to be archived and reformatted, as the disk is almost full. I regret putting Vista on that PC. It had occasional blue screen problems with the Video driver for a hybrid video card: PCIExpress GPU mated with a AGP 3.0interface. Not Vista's fault!
IMO XP is better for games that aren't DX 10 compatible.

My overall impression is that Win 7 is more responsive than Vista. It is organized better and more intuitive than Vista. Anyone upgrading from XP to Win 7 are in for a steep learning curve. Vista to Win 7 is not much of a learning curve. Win 7 has no more Classic view in Control Panel.
Setting security to allow Terminal Services/Remote Desktop connections was a little tricky. A new Workgroup- Home Group allows Vista and Win 7 machines to share and connect via Remote Desktop easier and with more features than an XP machine connection. To enable an XP machine to remote desktop in took changes in 3 places. To allow connections via the Homegroup you have to enable it and use the password to connect from the remote pc. You have to also enable connections via Remote Desktop in the firewall settings.

My next projects are to see how good gaming is under Win 7.. I expect it should be the same a Vista or better.
Also, I want to get Visual Studio 2010 and check it out against Win 7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:42 Z

Not sure if this is the correct place for this, but i'm sure it will get forwarded if it is not.

I came across the folowing bug:

- In the Windows Update program, when selecting the updates to install, it does not check the checkbox you check, but it checks the checkbox of the selected update.
(update 1 - update 2, update 1 is selected and is displayed in a blue selection box, now when checking the box of update 2, it is the box of update 1 that is getting checked)

Hope this is usefull.

Best Regards

Stefaan Dewulf

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 18:53:06 Z

When an application has multiple windows open, and you click on their taskbar icon, Windows should switch to the most recently used window, instead of showing thumbnails (however, thumbnails should remain on hover).

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 19:43:46 Z

When an application has multiple windows open, and you click on their taskbar icon, Windows should switch to the most recently used window, instead of showing thumbnails (however, thumbnails should remain on hover).
Regards, Kristaps.

DEAR MICROSOFT - PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!

Ronnie - would you make sure it is forwarded?

Lots of people have been asking for this change ever since the Beta first appeared. It is a basic flaw in the self-consistency of the user interface, and must surely be trivial to fix.

Microsoft have said they'll be making no more feature changes to W7 before it is launched. Frankly, I think they must be totally nuts to ship with such an obvious annoyance. It's stuff like this that plays right into the hands of Microsoft-bashers.

Thack

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 19:45:58 Z

Thanks and I totally agree -- it's something very easy to fix, and it should be fixed.

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 20:10:29 Z

When an application has multiple windows open, and you click on their taskbar icon, Windows should switch to the most recently used window, instead of showing thumbnails (however, thumbnails should remain on hover).
Regards, Kristaps.

Indeed, it can be quite annoying... and I'm all for making this customizable! We could choose out of a few options, as in:
To open the last active window in a program, double-click & to view all the windows, click
To open the last active window in a program, click & to view all the windows, hover
To open the last active window in a program, click & to view all the windows, right-click

Or something like that :)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 20:17:57 Z

Again about the Language packs.

So, yesterday I installed the Latvian language pack on Windows 7 RC (64-bit). In general it's good, but there is one thing that is extremely annoying - the translated sentences are way too long, and often even totally ruin the UI.

Like in Control Panel (especially the left sidebar):

The thing is that most of these translations can be made much shorter, while still keeping their meaning (and most probably making them more understandable, because people prefer to read 2 short, not 7 long words, which they might not even understand because of over-complication of Latvian language terminology).

Regards, Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 20:58:06 Z

When an application has multiple windows open, and you click on their taskbar icon, Windows should switch to the most recently used window, instead of showing thumbnails (however, thumbnails should remain on hover).
Regards, Kristaps.

DEAR MICROSOFT - PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!

Ronnie - would you make sure it is forwarded?

Lots of people have been asking for this change ever since the Beta first appeared. It is a basic flaw in the self-consistency of the user interface, and must surely be trivial to fix.

Microsoft have said they'll be making no more feature changes to W7 before it is launched. Frankly, I think they must be totally nuts to ship with such an obvious annoyance. It's stuff like this that plays right into the hands of Microsoft-bashers.

Thack

Why would you think it is "trivial to fix?" The revised taskbar is obviously one of the most significant changes in the UI and I would be more inclined to assume it is an involved bit of new code. Rather than being "trivial" it could be that one is looking at a major rewrite to make a minor change.

On a different front, to say that "...they must be totally nuts to ship with such an obvious annoyance." implies that everyone considers it annoying. Personally, I prefer it exactly the way it is - one function for one action and no more context sensitive popup menus than are necessary. At least in my usage, and in that of the people with whom I intereract, it is hardly the case that I always want to most recent file to open. Whether it be a dozen pdfs or a bunch of Word files, or a couple Microsoft Project files, or a couple in progress websites in Expression Web, I would prefer to just see what is open and then click on the one that I want. In fact, if I am canibalizing a 300 page report for boilerplate and another for an agency's preferred formatting/structure, it is almost never the case that I just want the most recent file to open if I click on the icon.

BTW, I am not saying that a change should not be made - rather, I would like to just convey that speaking as if your position is the the position of the Windows world is a bit unrealistic. If it really is a simple change and it can be turned off by those of us who do not want anything more than the current approach, it would add flexibility for some users. If it is not a simple change then I would hope they focus on bug fixes and performance tweaks between now and RTM....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 21:23:20 Z

Default behavior when trying to pin a drive to the taskbar is "Pin to Windows Explorer". I'd like to pin a drive to the taskbar - easy for drag-drop stuff e.g. a usb-key etc.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 21:33:37 Z

In the Spanish version of the RC there are several mistakes yet where it apears some English ... try to fix this please Microsoft...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 22:02:24 Z

WMP12 overlays other windows on the desktop. See attached image.

Larger image

How-to:
Grab the WMP12 window and do the Aero shake to minimize other windows
Shake again to restore the windows and hold the mouse button
Move the WMP12 window across other window to produce effect

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:46 Z

Hi,

I found another Bug with Profiles.

1> Logon to the workstation with a Domain User with NO roaming profile set in AD.
2> Logoff
3> Delete local profile folder from C:\Users\

When you try to logon again with that user INSTEAD of creating another profile based on the default user it logs the user on with a Temporary Profile???

Therefore I had a profile that was not what I wanted so I deleted it so logging on again would create a "new" one.

Now that User has no profile and no way of getting a new profile to work with that account???

Machine has been restarted and the user does NOT appear in the User Profiles Tab or in the registry.

Also,

Not sure what BATCH, INTERACTIVE and SERVICE groups are. There is no way to see what members they contain.

The PUBLIC folder doesn't give the "users" any permissions on the security tab. They just list the above groups. I DON'T want users to be able to write to the Public Documents folder but I don't know which group to change?

Very annoying.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 22:45:11 Z

It's because most of the translated stuff has simply been carried over from Vista. It's the same with all languages.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 22:45:37 Z

The current [unreleased] builds supposedly can pin *anything* to taskbar.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Wed, 27 May 2009 23:02:18 Z

REMEMBER EACH FOLDER'S VIEW SETTINGS

Yes . It always frustrated me in Vista as to why some folders in my User directory gained the details columns of music - when they were full of pictures . This seems to be more of a problem in 7.

The language packs should be moved to their own separate category in Windows Update, and probably integrated with Control Panel -> Region and Language too.

Good idea. Though personally I have no trouble with hiding the language pack updates.

Now I have a few of my own comments. After several days of reinstalling programs and drivers I finally get Windows 7 to be working as smoothly - if not smoother than - as Vista. The interface is just like Vista, but runs much faster, and the new behaviour of the taskbar is much better, making programs much easier to access when you have multiple maximised programs open. I use an HP tx2500 - a Tablet notebook. Some of the tablet features could be worked on. To copy what I said over here...

The Tablet PC Input toolbar icon is distorted. In addition when the properties for it are open, it's taskbar item option icon does not fill it's box.
Now this might just be the self-declared designer within me moaning, but for the sake of consistency the Tablet Panel icon should probably be the same size as the other taskbar options. Alternatively it could be shifted into the Notification area.
I've rarely ever used the taskbar toolbars - Quick Launch being the the only one, now replaced by the new taskbar format - so I would also say to remove the toolbar system completely but I'm sure some people still use it; so that might be a bit unfair.

Kicka** backgrounds by the way. X3

When I bought this notebook, turning the screen around and placing it flat in tablet "mode" would also automatically re-orientate the screen.
I'm glad that this feature was still available under the Resolution settings - because it no longer happened automatically .
Now this feature may have been provided by HP with the programs that came with the default Vista installation, but it could be of real help to have re-orientation built into Windows 7 as part of the Tablet PC features.

At first, some programs weren't recognising the "eraser" end of my stylus. Windows was also not noticing my USB modem or mouse. What happens when installing new drivers? It tries to go to Windows Update.
Bring back searching for a driver on a CD or hard disc etc.!
When you aren't connected to the internet 100% of the time (yes, some countries do still have dial-up dominating ADSL users) you can't rely on a service that's online for something important like drivers.
While yes, you can just obtain the driver and install it manually, being able to specify driver locations while installing other parts of the driver is probably more stable. It'll also avoid cases where Windows is continuously trying to access Windows Update when there is little or no connection.

A randomly occurring issue ; sometimes clicking "All Programs" doesn't show any programs.
On the subject of bringing back "Classic" Start menu, I liked it because it was simple, sometimes I didn't want to have to worry about the recently used programs taking up space, and as someone mentioned - having the entire list of programs visible without scrolling was helpful at times. As someone else also said, having an option to change between "All programs" being within the Start menu and being it's own drop-down menu would be a good idea. I believe XP did it that way?
I don't particularly mind not using the Classic version, but it does irk me that it's not an option.

EDIT: One thing I forgot, I noticed that to switched to Basic and 95-98 window styles you have to change the theme. There should be an option to change the window style in ways besides glass colour without going through this.

One last minor issue, don't ask why I'm even mentioning it.

I went to Standby, then started the computer up again.
Out of curiosity I wondered if clicking "Switch User" would crash anything with only one user.
No crash.
I click on my user icon... and the desktop starts up as if everything is normal.
But wait! The Windows version info in the bottom right has vanished!
...Until you refresh the desktop.

I must have too much free time. %B

Besides these issues, Windows 7 is going great. What am I going to do this time next year? :<

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 01:00:19 Z

Why would you think it is "trivial to fix?" The revised taskbar is obviously one of the most significant changes in the UI and I would be more inclined to assume it is an involved bit of new code. Rather than being "trivial" it could be that one is looking at a major rewrite to make a minor change.

Stephen

Hopefully the Realtime Core is more sophisticated than the eye-candy Taskbar UI.

Just as a relative comparison to help you understand the meaning of "trivial", Stephen.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 01:02:06 Z

Hello all Windows7 try-ers and techs too.

I spent six hours today trying to install, (clean install) RC. It could not find it's own files! I was repeatedly asked to locate files on the DVD and verify that they could be accessed. Though it was running from a DVD drive it needed drivers for the drive and couldn't continue without them. I tried to supply the drivers from XP but, like a spoiled child, it didn't want THOSE drivers it wanted something I didn't have. Snk-snk.

Running a p4, 2.8GHz on a D865PERL w/ 8oGb hard drive, DVD drive/burner, CD drive/burner and nothing else. Oh! A 3-1/2" floppy too.

The download could not find the drivers for these few items. I was NEVER asked for the CD-Key! There were no progress bars or task icons during loading of setup. It took an average of fifteen minutes from DVD initiation to setup screen. No clue as to what it was doing during that time was apparent.

The "UDF" SYSTEM the ISO USED could not or would not be read by the operating system.

A check of the files and file system reveals that the actual files used to install Windows7RC are hidden and do not show. The files available to a search do not total the 2+Gb the DVD says it has on it.

I'm not willing to put any more WORK into TRYING TO LOAD this thingy.

Warren
..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 01:58:16 Z

Hello all Windows7 hopeless and non-techs too.

I understand your reasoning and am aware that you're not alone with it. Many, many others report the same (or nearly the same) experiences and are disappointed, for now. But look on the other side. In my case - and in that of equally many, many others - your problems didn't arise. All went well. And to be more precise: None of your problems showed up in my install and in others' install. Wouldn't it be better to look for possible installation mistakes than to reclaim all this "thingy" were a complete ___? For instance: Your sentence "The 'UDF' SYSTEM the ISO USED could not or would not be read by the operating system." sounds a bit strange to me. If you had burned the ISO in an appropriate way, there would not be any "ISO" on your disk, only the usual garbage like a setup program, some folders, and what not. And you will agree that even such a "thingy" as Win7 would recognize a "setup.exe" file. Lastly, you won't imply that any OS beginning with XP "could or would" not be able to identify UDF file systems... come on. I see that's something is going wrong in your situation but please try to tracking down the causes instead of seeking the next convenient culprit.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 02:19:47 Z

Hello all Windows7 hopeless and non-techs too.

I understand your reasoning and am aware that you're not alone with it. Many, many others report the same (or nearly the same) experiences and are disappointed, for now. But look on the other side. In my case - and in that of equally many, many others - your problems didn't arise. All went well. And to be more precise: None of your problems showed up in my install and in others' install. Wouldn't it be better to look for possible installation mistakes than to reclaim all this "thingy" were a complete ___? For instance: Your sentence "The 'UDF' SYSTEM the ISO USED could not or would not be read by the operating system." sounds a bit strange to me. If you had burned the ISO in an appropriate way, there would not be any "ISO" on your disk, only the usual garbage like a setup program, some folders, and what not. And you will agree that even such a "thingy" as Win7 would recognize a "setup.exe" file. Lastly, you won't imply that any OS beginning with XP "could or would" not be able to identify UDF file systems... come on. I see that's something is going wrong in your situation but please try to tracking down the causes instead of seeking the next convenient culprit.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Thank you for those encouraging words, Sanmartin.

I am among those incompetent imbeciles who had trouble with his RC image burning. I used the very same 3rd party software that I had previously used successfully with the Beta ISO. Silly me, I actually tried several different 3rd party programs and made an afternoon hobby of it. I also had several duplicated downloaded ISOs and verified them to be equal. Admittedly, I didn't verify Microsoft's "published" MD5/SHA hashcodes, even though I do have a copy of FCIV. When I mention "3rd party" utilities, it is because I don't have an O/S that has native ISO burning capabilities, even though ISO 9660 has been around since when? 1998? Yes, I guess I need to go back to floppy disks, which I am more comfortable using. After all, simple minded me, I've only been using PCs for 25 years. Or so.

In other words, lighten up.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 02:22:24 Z

I am using RC 1 build 7100 64 bit

BUG #1

When I click devices & printers from start menu or within control panel, the green status bar in the top window starts to load very slowly and eventually halts at the last tiny bit but none of the installed hardware nor any icons appear in that window.

I have a Sony Vaio VGN-AW190, Core 2 Duo, 4GB memory and 64bit W7.

All my devices appear fine in device manager otherwise and work fine.

This problem is sporadic. Its worked for me on and off, weird.

BUG #2

Basic media functions on the media center remote buttons do not work such as:
pause
play
skip/forward
next/previous chapter
stop

This is the official Microsoft remote and receiver, not some imitation. This problem has also been sporadic, on/off over past builds.

BUG #3

I'm connected to my 1080p tv via hdmi from my laptop. Nvidia settings is laptop = primary and tv = extended (not cloned).

Now, I'll start up media center and it plays the dvd or video file fine. If I drag the window to the extended area (tv), it blanks out completely and stops playing. As soon as I drag it back to my laptop screen (primary), it starts again.

I'm using the default nvidia driver provided via windows update (wddm 1.1x??) version.

BUG #4

I keep my hdmi plugged in as a watch dvd's everynight through media center, onto my 32" tv.

The thing is, the sound taskbar used to automatically switch from hdmi to the laptop's soundcard automatically. It doesn't any more. Basically, if I turn off the hdmi mode on my tv, it used to switch from hdmi sound output to laptop's card. When I activate hdmi again, it would automatically switch to hdmi output.

I'm using the nvidia provided drivers via windows update.

PLEASE NOTE: all of these issues are sporadic. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 02:22:26 Z

So Sanmartin tell me..... How come it is that you have an AMD64 3000+, I have an AMD64 4000+, you have 1G RAM, I have 4 G of RAM, you have an ATIRadeon9700, I have an ATIRadeon9800PRO, 2.4mhz and you can get Win 7 to install (x64 I'm assuming) when mine locks in the Completing Installation step (also happened in VISTA premium x64 installation) and I'm assuming you have no Video problems like the tic-tac-toe type flashing boxes around each of my windows when I did get the x86 version of VISTA and Win 7 to install. I just wonder why that is???????

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 02:31:15 Z

like you gues above who had issues with the Windows 7 RC install that are posting in this blog, that just sucks. my comments on the Windows 7 installation is that it went well for me, but I liked how the Windows XP installation screens for installation looked better, but at least the Windows 7 setup looks better than the Windows vista setup. I remember Windows XP and Windows 2000 asking you for you comany name (when they were asking you for your name). why did microsoft take out the part of the setup where the installation asks you for your company name. I want that back...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 06:17:28 Z

So Sanmartin tell me..... How come it is that you have an AMD64 3000+, I have an AMD64 4000+, you have 1G RAM, I have 4 G of RAM, you have an ATIRadeon9700, I have an ATIRadeon9800PRO, 2.4mhz and you can get Win 7 to install (x64 I'm assuming) when mine locks in the Completing Installation step (also happened in VISTA premium x64 installation) and I'm assuming you have no Video problems like the tic-tac-toe type flashing boxes around each of my windows when I did get the x86 version of VISTA and Win 7 to install. I just wonder why that is???????

rbassman -

Hard to say... But I had a similar experience - my Athlon 64 3400+, 1 GB of RAM and Nvidia 7300 GS installed XP, Vista (Beta 2, RC1 and SP1), Win 7 Beta and RC without so much as a belch. Could be the motherboard or the chipset used on the mobo. Could be the BIOS or any number of things.

What board do you have in your system?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 06:21:31 Z

Here's a suggestion for the suggestion box...

When you uninstall an update from Windows Update - the update is still listed as being downloaded and installed - but there's no mention of it being removed later on. This is from this post here.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 07:46:09 Z

More time more thoughts. For people who like to fiddle with computers Win7 can be a dampener. I am running dual boot Win7 WinXP. I was getting short of disk space on Win7 partition so I thought the most simple solution would be to take some from the neighbouring partition. Cranking up Partition Magic in my XP partition I took some off D drive and tried to give it to C drive but Partition Magic could not expand C to take the addition Gb's available from D. Tried with Disk Director both booting from a disk and from XP but C drive would not except changes. Could not even format C from XP I eventually backed all drives to TrueImage and used a Disk Editor to bust C drive and then increased its size and put the Win7 TrueImage back on C drive. Had to use Disk Director to sort out some MBR problems but all going again.A days work for what used to be a 30 min task. I guess the average Joe would never contemplate changes to the partitions so the difficulty in moving/deleting/accessing some parts of Win7 is not an issue. My Wife uses one partition, C drive and everything goes in it so Win7 would fit in nicely with her way of doing things. I fiddle a lot and I can tell you Win7 frustrates me the way it controls the partitions it wants to on the computer. Obviously I am going to find easy or third party ways around this but takes time. busso

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 08:50:47 Z

So Sanmartin tell me..... How come it is that you have an AMD64 3000+, I have an AMD64 4000+, you have 1G RAM, I have 4 G of RAM, you have an ATIRadeon9700, I have an ATIRadeon9800PRO, 2.4mhz and you can get Win 7 to install (x64 I'm assuming) when mine locks in the Completing Installation step (also happened in VISTA premium x64 installation) and I'm assuming you have no Video problems like the tic-tac-toe type flashing boxes around each of my windows when I did get the x86 version of VISTA and Win 7 to install. I just wonder why that is???????

rbassman -

Hard to say... But I had a similar experience - my Athlon 64 3400+, 1 GB of RAM and Nvidia 7300 GS installed XP, Vista (Beta 2, RC1 and SP1), Win 7 Beta and RC without so much as a belch. Could be the motherboard or the chipset used on the mobo. Could be the BIOS or any number of things.

What board do you have in your system?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:11 Z

More time more thoughts. For people who like to fiddle with computers Win7 can be a dampener. I am running dual boot Win7 WinXP. I was getting short of disk space on Win7 partition so I thought the most simple solution would be to take some from the neighbouring partition. Cranking up Partition Magic in my XP partition I took some off D drive and tried to give it to C drive but Partition Magic could not expand C to take the addition Gb's available from D. Tried with Disk Director both booting from a disk and from XP but C drive would not except changes. Could not even format C from XP I eventually backed all drives to TrueImage and used a Disk Editor to bust C drive and then increased its size and put the Win7 TrueImage back on C drive. Had to use Disk Director to sort out some MBR problems but all going again.A days work for what used to be a 30 min task. I guess the average Joe would never contemplate changes to the partitions so the difficulty in moving/deleting/accessing some parts of Win7 is not an issue. My Wife uses one partition, C drive and everything goes in it so Win7 would fit in nicely with her way of doing things. I fiddle a lot and I can tell you Win7 frustrates me the way it controls the partitions it wants to on the computer. Obviously I am going to find easy or third party ways around this but takes time. busso

C'mon Microsoft. Give us some utilities that work. This is too critical to rely on 3rd party products which you don't even endorse.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 11:03:08 Z

Speaking of partitions, I like to keep my data separated on a different partition from the system and applications. This is generally recommended by power users. There are a number of advantages to this. Among them the fact that the best anti-malware is regular backups of the system partition. Once you're infected it's pretty much game over and restoring from a pre-infection image is your best bet (or a clean install). Having your data on a separate partition makes it easier to perform this type of maintenance without overwriting your data.

However, setting this up is a pain as you have to manually change the location of the various special folders and many applications will still default to the C: drive unless you intervene. Some applications like Outlook require special attention.

It would be really nice if the Windows 7 installer provided an option to place user data on a separate partition. It can either create a separate partition or allow you to pick an existing second partition. If you choose to use an existing partition it will look for existing user data and ask if you want to use those special folders for this installation, otherwise it can give you an option to use a different root folder or backup the current data first.

Having this option in the setup would also give non-power users an introduction to this useful practise.

Additionally, it would be nice to have improvements in the system image backup utility of Windows 7. There needs to be incremental and differential image support and an option to automatically perform an incremental image backup in conjunction with restore points. This would be extremely useful. If it could also consolidate incremental backups over time (eg. see Time Machine in OS X) that would be excellent. The current backup (well, I tried with the beta not the RC) won't even let you schedule system image backups alongs with regular file backups if you're using a network drive. I don't understand this policy. You should be allowed to make file and sytem backups to any mass storage device. It also needs to be smarter about recognizing when an external backup device is available or not and about pausing and continuing backups when a device is removed. (eg. when I tried ot use the backup, it was going to take several hours to backup and I needed to packup my laptop and go before it was done).

I think some of these features are built into Windows Home Server but a subset (minus all the network features) should be included in Windows 7 as it really is the best way to protect your system against a variety of problems including malware.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 11:14:26 Z

Stephen wrote:

Personally, I prefer it exactly the way it is - one function for one action and no more context sensitive popup menus than are necessary. At least in my usage, and in that of the people with whom I intereract, it is hardly the case that I always want to most recent file to open. Whether it be a dozen pdfs or a bunch of Word files, or a couple Microsoft Project files, or a couple in progress websites in Expression Web, I would prefer to just see what is open and then click on the one that I want. In fact, if I am canibalizing a 300 page report for boilerplate and another for an agency's preferred formatting/structure, it is almost never the case that I just want the most recent file to open if I click on the icon.

(THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT CLICKING ON STACKED TASKBAR ICONS, AND THE ARGUMENT THAT A CLICK SHOULD RESTORE THE MOST RECENTLY OPEN WINDOW, INSTEAD OF JUST SHOWING THE PREVIEWS)

The problem with the behaviour Stephen supports is that it is inconsistent with the behaviour of the other taskbar icons. In this one instance (and only this instance), hovering over the icon and clicking the icon do exactly the same thing. That alone should convince you that something is wrong: there has never been a case throughout the whole of the Windows family user interface where hovering and clicking do the same thing. Nor does it happen with unstacked icons or inactive icons on the same taskbar.

Your requirements for choosing which window you want to activate are already dealt with by the hover, which brings up the little previews, just as it does on non-stacked icons. Nobody is talking about taking that away.

The issue we are talking about is that the "click" is wasted; it merely duplicates the hover. It should be used to restore the most recently used window from that stack.

That way, your needs and ours are all met perfectly. Plus it remains logically consistent with the rest of the W7 user interface paradigm, as well as older versions of windows.

Thack

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 12:23:58 Z

Here's a suggestion to ease the life of keyboard junkies like me: Currently there is no way to activate Jump Lists for items pinned to Taskbar via keyboard.

What I suggest is that we could use that right-click menu key on keyboard (next to WinKey, on right to Spacebar) + numeric key for that item.

Like, to launch the 3rd program pinned to Taskbar, you press WinKey+3. But to open Jump List for 3rd program pinned to Taskbar, you could use RightClickKey+3.

Simple, effective and good to have :)

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 12:41:56 Z

Kristaps -

I like it.. It makese SENSE...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 14:02:57 Z

Photo Viewer doesn;t want to play animated gif files. It Just shows the first pic in the animated file and picture is still. I'd like it work like in Windows XP.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 14:13:30 Z

More time more thoughts. For people who like to fiddle with computers Win7 can be a dampener. I am running dual boot Win7 WinXP. I was getting short of disk space on Win7 partition so I thought the most simple solution would be to take some from the neighbouring partition. Cranking up Partition Magic in my XP partition I took some off D drive and tried to give it to C drive but Partition Magic could not expand C to take the addition Gb's available from D. Tried with Disk Director both booting from a disk and from XP but C drive would not except changes. Could not even format C from XP I eventually backed all drives to TrueImage and used a Disk Editor to bust C drive and then increased its size and put the Win7 TrueImage back on C drive. Had to use Disk Director to sort out some MBR problems but all going again.A days work for what used to be a 30 min task. I guess the average Joe would never contemplate changes to the partitions so the difficulty in moving/deleting/accessing some parts of Win7 is not an issue. My Wife uses one partition, C drive and everything goes in it so Win7 would fit in nicely with her way of doing things. I fiddle a lot and I can tell you Win7 frustrates me the way it controls the partitions it wants to on the computer. Obviously I am going to find easy or third party ways around this but takes time. busso

C'mon Microsoft. Give us some utilities that work. This is too critical to rely on 3rd party products which you don't even endorse.

I cannot tell how much I agree with Derosnec.

Each version I need to rely more and more on Linux tools (like those highlighted by Derosnec), just to use Windows.

But Partition Magic, Gparted, and other tools have no guarantee of working well without destroying data, because MS does not document well his filesystem (specially NTFS).

Microsoft should document well enough (an openly) all about NTFS format, and Windows interaction with it, OR give us the tools.

If Microsoft want us to use third party tools, then give the information. Otherwise, give us the tools.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 14:24:22 Z

I'm used to having a lot of applications open in the taskbar, and I've seen two things that could be improved:
1 - When the taskbar is really full, it overflows to a second line, and users need to scroll up/down to find the rest of the taskbar. However, the scroll arrows are small and difficult to find. Sometimes I try to find items that are already opened. I would suggest making the arrows bigger, or having the taskbar shift or expand when the user sits on the taskbar.
2 - I would like the ability to configure settings for combining specific items in the taskbar. In particular, I would like Outlook to never be combined, or to separate the main outlook interface from the different messages. I always need access to the main outlook screen.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 14:34:26 Z

In win7's Indexing Options there is a feature to toggle on or off "Treat similar words with diacritics as different words" that makes searching more easy and effective.
Unfortunatelly, WMP 12 doesn't support this feature, making so hard to get the results we're looking for.

PS
I think I do have the right to use plural, as I represent all of us, that we use diacritics in our languages, especially my fellow-countrymen - Greek :-)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 14:48:59 Z

Since I cannot read all the posts in the forum, this is for someone who does.

First, I really liked Vista (even the RC), so you know I am really impressed by Windows 7.

I am using img.25 for my desktop!!

However, I note that my computer does not always time lock and start the screen saver. And when it is back in the queue, updates and installing
programs disrupts normal locking. (Both Vista and 7)

I note with multiple tabs open or multiple windows for a taskbar icon one cannot just click the icon to minimize but must use the upper right hand corner of the window. This breaches a convenient habit.

And now that I am posting, in Office 2007 the lock anchor for picture letterheads still breaks easily.

Last year's new generation of PC's and Windows 7 make it better and better!!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:03:00 Z

Here's a suggestion to ease the life of keyboard junkies like me: Currently there is no way to activate Jump Lists for items pinned to Taskbar via keyboard.

What I suggest is that we could use that right-click menu key on keyboard (next to WinKey, on right to Spacebar) + numeric key for that item.

Like, to launch the 3rd program pinned to Taskbar, you press WinKey+3. But to open Jump List for 3rd program pinned to Taskbar, you could use RightClickKey+3.

Simple, effective and good to have :)
Regards,
Kristaps.

unfortunately, I don't think that can work b/c the context menu key is, well, context-sensitive. it brings up the right click menu for whatever has the focus. It's not a global modifier iike the winkey.

(oddly enough, the context menu key doesn't seem to even work on the taskbar. click on empty spot on the taskbar and hit context menu, it doesn't bring up the context menu.)

you'd have to use a combination like winkey+shift+#

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:18:03 Z

So Sanmartin tell me..... How come it is that you have an AMD64 3000+, I have an AMD64 4000+, you have 1G RAM, I have 4 G of RAM, you have an ATIRadeon9700, I have an ATIRadeon9800PRO, 2.4mhz and you can get Win 7 to install (x64 I'm assuming) when mine locks in the Completing Installation step (also happened in VISTA premium x64 installation) and I'm assuming you have no Video problems like the tic-tac-toe type flashing boxes around each of my windows when I did get the x86 version of VISTA and Win 7 to install. I just wonder why that is???????

rbassman -

Hard to say... But I had a similar experience - my Athlon 64 3400+, 1 GB of RAM and Nvidia 7300 GS installed XP, Vista (Beta 2, RC1 and SP1), Win 7 Beta and RC without so much as a belch. Could be the motherboard or the chipset used on the mobo. Could be the BIOS or any number of things.

What board do you have in your system?

Wolfie, I think that was exactly rbassman's point.

Here we have a seemingly lesser, simpler system that has held together better under Windows. What gives? Maybe Windows likes simpler systems? I think rbassman was protesting that earlier post which was pretty darned smug and blaming. That smug post's intent was to disprove rather than be helpful.

Maybe you didn't catch that for some reason.

That was my point exactly. Should not have pointed it at Sanmartin. Just a general observation that has been fed with hours of frustration trying to get this os's installed and have nothing to show for it. I have an ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard. Maybe your right derosnec, go back to my Commodore 64......

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:24:31 Z

(oddly enough, the context menu key doesn't seem to even work on the taskbar. click on empty spot on the taskbar and hit context menu, it doesn't bring up the context menu.)

Sure it does. If I click on the taskbar and press the context menu key, it pops up the right-click context menu for the task bar.

Here's a suggestion to ease the life of keyboard junkies like me: Currently there is no way to activate Jump Lists for items pinned to Taskbar via keyboard.

Press winkey+alt+# to access the jump list, and the arrowkeys up/down to select item in jumplist.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:36:46 Z

you'd have to use a combination like winkey+shift+#

Win+Shift+# currently opens a new instance of # (if # is already running), so that won't do :P
However, Win+Ctrl+# is unused...

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 15:55:53 Z

Winkey+alt+# works to access the jump list. Nice to know! I wonder if there is one place with all hotkeys listed so it will be easier to find this kind of stuff.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 16:22:35 Z

Winkey+Alt+# is possibly the worst shortcut ever. Try to press this with one hand. C'mon, try it!

I tried thumb on Alt, index/middle on WinKey, but I can't possibly reach for any of the number keys :D
And no, pressing WinKey+Alt together with only the thumb is not an acceptable option.

Only way this worked for me is when I used thumb for Alt, pinkie for WinKey and index/middle for the number :P

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 16:28:19 Z

My Win7 test machine is a bit older, and on Win7Beta the nforce drivers for networking were not included and the sound drivers didn't work. I was so happy to see in Win7RC both of these were fixed. Everything was detected and installed correctly. Awesome!!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:00:25 Z

I am absolutely gobsmacked that the ridiculous "calculating time remaining" when copying moving or deleting files is still in 7. It is possibly THE most annoying thing in computing. I did a direct comparison between XP and 7 on the same system (dual core sony with 4 gb of ram). The same folder that contained 20 x 40Megabyte files, by the time xp had finished copying the entire 40 files across, 7 was still calculating time remaining. WHAT!! I dont care about how many files/folders/speed it copies at, I just want it to copy. Whay was this changed from XP? Somebody said that 7 has more handles/processes or something like that. SO WHAT?? Its like Ford saying, heres our new car, it takes you twice as long to turn the car on, but look we have this revolutionary engine! Keep the basic tasks as fast and simple as possible. This is where Vista and 7 have taken a backward step. Do people agree with this or am I just talking rubbish? Everyone I spoke to agrees it is ridiculous.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:07:46 Z

How about choosing what we want in our command bar in Explorer? I think its good that you have the options people MAY need right there, but not everyone needs all those options. I don't share my files, nor to I burn that often, so why must I be stuck with that command? Why should you, Microsoft chose my commands? Let me chose from a list of commands. (like we did back in 98 and XP) Alow me to chose from icons + text, Text only or icons only. I don't care if text only is default along with your default commands, just give me the options to chose what I want. Give US (The USER) an options we want.

if you want Windows 7 to succeed you need to open up customization in explorer.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:13:31 Z

you are absolutely right about the file copying...I haven't try it yet in Windows 7 ('cause I'm using VirtualBox) but in Vista that's really anoying...MICROSOFT PLEASE LISTEN TO ALL SUGESTION...OR WIN7 IT'S GONNA BE A FALIURE LIKE VISTA... Why can copy files can be more like in Xp...calculating time on the go... think...If it's to short the time no one minds...If it's too long everyone will do something else and wait that the process is finished...so the calculating of the time remaining CAN and SHOULD be on the go...not before

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:25:41 Z

I think all problems and suggestions are reduce to one single true...

WINDOWS 7 SHOULD BE MORE CUSTOMIZABLE... AND LET THE USER DECIDE

I know that Microsoft did a great job at researching what the "common" user want, but... that doesn't mean that the user it's gonna want the same thing while he advance in knowledge...or the advanced user will want the same thing than the common user... It's ok to leave some DEFAULT options...but that's what they are...OPTIONS... so the user can decide... And a Default one according to the mayority of user, but again, that the user may modified

PLEASE... IF YOU AGREE WITH ME LET MICROSOFT KNOW... MAYBE, AND JUST MAYBE THEY WILL NOTICE THIS THREAD

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:47:51 Z

Please! I beg you give us the option to change the background color while in Aero or any Visual style. I spend about 10-12 hours a day on my computer. I am a fan of windows, but there is one thing that you never change. You force us to use White behind everything! I have perfect vision and the white that comes out of any LCD is blinding. I have adjusted contrast, gamma and brightness.

That’s helps but please give us the option to use other colors besides White in the background of windows, menus or anything else! There is too much contrast and this can cause what is a very beautiful OS to be kind of ugly. Now I know a lot of smart windows users are reading this.

I’m not asking for this option on by default and I know how to do this in the classic view. I’m just hoping some one or anyone can do this without me having to use a Res-editor or something other insanely time eating method of saving my eyes.

Thanks. =)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:49:02 Z

I agree with you, just look at my post a few lines up regarding the explorer command bar.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 17:57:43 Z

+1

not everyone likes white. White is only good when its used right. I thought Microsoft's newest vision is "focus on content, not on the controls" well, if everything is white, that draws your attention away because the controls are bright as day.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:03:22 Z

I hate everything about the new task bar, bring back the classic start menu and the quick launch bar!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:07:35 Z

I am absolutely gobsmacked that the ridiculous "calculating time remaining" when copying moving or deleting files is still in 7. It is possibly THE most annoying thing in computing. I did a direct comparison between XP and 7 on the same system (dual core sony with 4 gb of ram). The same folder that contained 20 x 40Megabyte files, by the time xp had finished copying the entire 40 files across, 7 was still calculating time remaining. WHAT!! I dont care about how many files/folders/speed it copies at, I just want it to copy. Whay was this changed from XP? Somebody said that 7 has more handles/processes or something like that. SO WHAT?? Its like Ford saying, heres our new car, it takes you twice as long to turn the car on, but look we have this revolutionary engine! Keep the basic tasks as fast and simple as possible. This is where Vista and 7 have taken a backward step. Do people agree with this or am I just talking rubbish? Everyone I spoke to agrees it is ridiculous.

Is possible to delete a file pressing the shift key, and get it directly deleted, without sending it to the recycle bin. (I did not checked it in Windows 7)

Maybe the solution would be to be able to press shift and copy, avoiding all that calculation and checking, at risk of the owner.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:12:30 Z

You CAN go back to the old taskbar. But not the old start menu.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:16:09 Z

It wouldn't hurt if you were more specific.
Quick launch can be brought back (google it)
Classic Start Menu is overrated.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:35:56 Z

I am absolutely gobsmacked that the ridiculous "calculating time remaining" when copying moving or deleting files is still in 7. It is possibly THE most annoying thing in computing. I did a direct comparison between XP and 7 on the same system (dual core sony with 4 gb of ram). The same folder that contained 20 x 40Megabyte files, by the time xp had finished copying the entire 40 files across, 7 was still calculating time remaining. WHAT!! I dont care about how many files/folders/speed it copies at, I just want it to copy. Whay was this changed from XP? Somebody said that 7 has more handles/processes or something like that. SO WHAT?? Its like Ford saying, heres our new car, it takes you twice as long to turn the car on, but look we have this revolutionary engine! Keep the basic tasks as fast and simple as possible. This is where Vista and 7 have taken a backward step. Do people agree with this or am I just talking rubbish? Everyone I spoke to agrees it is ridiculous.

yes it's incredibly annoying. the calculation, if done at all, should be initiated only after the operation has gone over a certain amount of time, say 5 seconds, and be done in a separate thread so it does not interfere with the file operation. if the file operation completes before the calculation, the latter thread should terminate.

But I suspect that's not all it's doing. If they could do that, I think they would've already (unless they're just truly lazy or incompetent.) I suspect it's doing something else that can't be done concurrent with the file op. If that's the case, though, they should just go back to the old XP way of doing things, because the new way just slows things down without giving us any better functionality. I mean, it's still stupidly stopping file operation to throw up a prompt, like windows explorer has done since win95.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:41:38 Z

I need to reiterate I do NOT want windows explorer to decide on its own when I open a folder to treat it as a movies or pictures or music or whatever folder and change the view. If I want to do that I'll do it myself, thank you. what's really bad is with some movie files, it gets stuck trying to generate thumbnail previews and the progress bar keeps going and going while it eats up CPU and memory. I realize I can turn off thumbnail previews, but this also turns off previews for images too, which I find useful.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:44:29 Z

Bug - Use Large Icons should NOT be the default.

Is there a way to make the icons NOT so HUGE or at least give us back this option? I have my screen set to "Small" (100% default) on 1024x768 with a 17" monitor that I run in my domain. The icons are HUGE. I am not running Aero because it is a Domain Environment and I don't want the resources to be wasted.

They are about 2x as big as XP icons with the same resolution AND they have such big shortcut link arrows.

Again in XP there was the functionality to Change the Effects and the Icon Size. They had the "advanced" key and the "Effects" key. Just another example of functionality that has been removed since XP/NT/95/98

Thanks
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:54:24 Z

I hate everything about the new task bar, bring back the classic start menu and the quick launch bar!

i never liked the quicklaunch bar. in fact, i never even used the damned thing. i kind of like how they changed the whole damn start menu system to look like a quick launch bar, but i'm only saying that from a business perspective. i remember when the new start menu was introduced. i hated the whole thing. now i just love it. i think i like the new start menu system because its more effencient than the old system. of course then the keyboard short-cut for the jump lists could be more user friendly, even though it is easy for me to use with one hand. it would be nice for some of the keyboard short-cuts to be customizable. and i know you guys would agree on that.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:54:25 Z

Winkey+Alt+# is possibly the worst shortcut ever. Try to press this with one hand. C'mon, try it!

I tried thumb on Alt, index/middle on WinKey, but I can't possibly reach for any of the number keys :D
And no, pressing WinKey+Alt together with only the thumb is not an acceptable option.

Only way this worked for me is when I used thumb for Alt, pinkie for WinKey and index/middle for the number :P

Regards,
Kristaps.

I can see much weeping + teeth gnashing if the keyboard shortcuts are ever changed, simply because there are so many cheap /free keyboards with special buttons for things like "Home page"(Internet explorer), "Mail", um, "My pictures". I am almost ashamed to admit I'd rather click 5 times than use a keyboard shortcut or special button in a dimly lit room (A hot, humid, bug ridden dimly lit room that makes people whistle the theme to "dark shadows" when they visit).
But since the subject is on the table, I'm reading this and suddenly remember to check mail. clicking as I normally do forgets this stuff and immediately shows my mail in all its glory. but the mail shortcut key brings up the mail program below this window so it's open but I cannot see it. Making me need to click anyway.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:54:27 Z

It's not a bug, it was done on purpose, it was that way in Vista too, big icons are cool and I like it how they are now :D

To change icon size, hold Ctrl and scroll the mouse wheel up and down :)

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 18:57:21 Z

you'd have to use a combination like winkey+shift+#

Win+Shift+# currently opens a new instance of # (if # is already running), so that won't do :P
However, Win+Ctrl+# is unused...

Regards,
Kristaps.

i like this short-cut, but is there a short-cut for IE for opening a new TAB instead of a new window instead which would be usefull.... thats another thing that microsoft should add in, if they did not already do so.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 19:02:50 Z

The icons are not that big and you can always switch. Keep in mind with higher resolutions means larger icons are needed

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 19:03:25 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2) >

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

A cool feature that Windows explorer could have: Start windows explorer, and press backwards button to go to the last folder accessed.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 19:51:32 Z

It's not a bug, it was done on purpose, it was that way in Vista too, big icons are cool and I like it how they are now :D

To change icon size, hold Ctrl and scroll the mouse wheel up and down :)
Regards,
Kristaps.

Thanks that worked. I found it on another website too. Hopefully it will stick if I copy the profile to other users. Large Icons are bad when you have a lot of icons on the desktop like in a Domain Environment because it creates a LOT of clutter. Also they make it look too "kid-like" like it is a desktop for 5 year olds. Reminds me of the "launch pad" for Mac OS 7.5

Cheers,
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 19:53:08 Z

I think the coolest feature the Windows Explorer could have is going back and starts to WORK again, like it was in xp.

Lara, I do agree the icons are getting bigger and bigger (look athe the "normal" icon size in taskbar. they are huge!) but it can´t be classified as a bug. They are that way by (bad?) design, not by coding error.

And I agree with barth2k. Explorer should stop "guessing" the way I want to view my folders. And, thumbnail for videos is a terrible idea for me. But, I like the thumbs for images. There should be a way to disable the video thumbnails, and keep the image ones.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 19:54:48 Z

The icons are not that big and you can always switch. Keep in mind with higher resolutions means larger icons are needed

That is just it. Windows XP didn't have the huge icons unless you ticked "use large icons". Vista didn't have them either as I run Vista and they are XP size.

My Resolution is 1024x768 which is pretty low. Even with 1280x1024 the icons are smaller than Windows XP standard.

The CTRL (left only) + scroll worked.

Cheers,
Lara

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 20:05:04 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2) >

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

Bug report:

is better explained at:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprohardware/thread/b76e50f2-021f-4171-b7b7-e4e47b050024/

Apparently, Windows 7 wrongly detects Athlon X2 3600+ as an AMD Live processor, and then fails to install the Away Mode driver.

I think that for that reason, it also crashes meanwhile calculating the Windows Experience Index.

And I suspect that it is the cause of 3DMark Vantage crashing.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 20:06:08 Z

i like this short-cut, but is there a short-cut for IE for opening a new TAB instead of a new window instead which would be usefull.... thats another thing that microsoft should add in, if they did not already do so.

If you click on any link in IE 7 or IE8 with scroll wheel then it will open the link in a new tab. I use it about 90% of the time but having a mouse with a wheel is necessary.

lforbes

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 20:55:24 Z

If you click on any link in IE 7 or IE8 with scroll wheel then it will open the link in a new tab. I use it about 90% of the time but having a mouse with a wheel is necessary.
lforbes

Thanks!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 22:32:06 Z

Dear Sir:

I try to make the flash assement test on windows 7 RC but failed.

On Vista 32 bits : 3.75MB/s (read) and 2.91MB/s (write)
On Windows 7 RC 32 bit : 2.85MB/s (read) and 2.47MB/s (write)

It looks like Windows 7 damages flash drive read speed performance by ( -1.0 Mb/s). Does anyone call Windows 7 team to correct it?

I also test a Vista-certified Verbatim disk and it also failed on the write speed ( 1.89 MB/s).

thanks,

Jay

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Thu, 28 May 2009 23:13:44 Z

I LOVE the snipping tool but it drives me nuts to have to SAVE a snip, just to print it.

The three things I want (and the two I know can easily be done) are are:
1: add ability to print directly from snipping tool
2: add ability to resize directly from snipping tool
3: add ability to "scroll window" like Snagit

Yes, I know item 3 is more difficult, but the first two should not be

Ian Matthews www.commodore.ca

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 01:55:45 Z

One thing the Sidebar/Gadgets need? Better CPU/RAM monitors! The current one is absolutely ugly. There should be matching ones that go with the clock, or at least something that doesn't look like a vintage car speedometer.

Also versions other than two interlinking circular metres.

Not that I disagree about the stock monitor since it is something other than elegant, but I've yet to find a Vista gadget that doesn't work and there are a bunch of monitors out there. I use one that combines, time, date, CPU, RAM, and battery state into one digital/bar graph gadget - saves space and a bit of resources. Purely a FYI....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:02:55 Z

One thing the Sidebar/Gadgets need? Better CPU/RAM monitors! The current one is absolutely ugly. There should be matching ones that go with the clock, or at least something that doesn't look like a vintage car speedometer.

Also versions other than two interlinking circular metres.

http://jirbytaylor.deviantart.com http://jirby.cleverpun.com Qualificiations: Certificate in Web Design and Writing Certificate in Computer Graphics (okay... working on it)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:07:21 Z

i have acomplaint about windows 7 RC. now that i have been using the RC for a while, for some reason it is starting to perfoem slower and slower with each passing day or two. (even though i am defragmenting the hard drive on a regular schedual like i should be) is anyone else having this issue or this this just me? i think it is microsofts fault on this on, of course then, it is on just certain processes that have this issue, and they are all microsoft related processes and applications. i hope this is fixed by the main release..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:20:36 Z

No offense but 1) last I checked, the anti-trust settlement blocks Microsoft from expanding various functions (beyond the basic OS functionality) into such markets, 2) the NTFS file system specification is a justifiable trade secret under US law, and 3) the NTFS file system specification can be commercially licensed. If people in the Linux world want to open source everything thats great but Microsoft is still a for-profit business enterprise. I no more expect Microsoft to simply give away proprietary information for which they paid than I would have done so myself when I designed occasional front-ends for databases in the past. If one has issues with a third-party utility, it is the developer's responsibility to address them - it is also the developer's responsibility to pay for access to proprietary technology.

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:33:05 Z

Simple request:
An option in the Sticky Notes App to put the application icon in the notification area instead of in the taskbar. I hate how it takes up space on my taskbar (especially since I use the group only when full option) when I just want the notes to show up on the desktop.

Okay make it 2 simple requests: I'd also like to be able to change fonts or at least font size on a per-note basis.

Possibly a better solution would be to go back to using a desktop gadget as sticky notes but being able to tear individual notes off the pad and resize as with the new app. That would be both slick and functional.

Okay concentrate on the 2 requests above, but if I could drag a note out of Outlook and have it appear as a linked Sticky pad on my desktop, that would be awesome.

Oh yeah, make each note a separate file so that I can sync them across computers using Live Mesh or whatever your sync tool of choice is.

Thanks.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:35:49 Z

I am absolutely gobsmacked that the ridiculous "calculating time remaining" when copying moving or deleting files is still in 7. It is possibly THE most annoying thing in computing. I did a direct comparison between XP and 7 on the same system (dual core sony with 4 gb of ram). The same folder that contained 20 x 40Megabyte files, by the time xp had finished copying the entire 40 files across, 7 was still calculating time remaining. WHAT!! I dont care about how many files/folders/speed it copies at, I just want it to copy. Whay was this changed from XP? Somebody said that 7 has more handles/processes or something like that. SO WHAT?? Its like Ford saying, heres our new car, it takes you twice as long to turn the car on, but look we have this revolutionary engine! Keep the basic tasks as fast and simple as possible. This is where Vista and 7 have taken a backward step. Do people agree with this or am I just talking rubbish? Everyone I spoke to agrees it is ridiculous.
Is possible to delete a file pressing the shift key, and get it directly deleted, without sending it to the recycle bin. (I did not checked it in Windows 7)

Maybe the solution would be to be able to press shift and copy, avoiding all that calculation and checking, at risk of the owner.

Unfortunately, even doing a shif+del on a folder with lots of files will take a long time in Windows 7. Moving large folders to a different location on the same drive also takes a long time. In XP these operations were essentially instantaneous. There's something very wrong with the way Windows 7 manages copying/moving/deleting files. This really should be optimized.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 02:38:26 Z

I think all problems and suggestions are reduce to one single true...

WINDOWS 7 SHOULD BE MORE CUSTOMIZABLE... AND LET THE USER DECIDE

I know that Microsoft did a great job at researching what the "common" user want, but... that doesn't mean that the user it's gonna want the same thing while he advance in knowledge...or the advanced user will want the same thing than the common user... It's ok to leave some DEFAULT options...but that's what they are...OPTIONS... so the user can decide... And a Default one according to the mayority of user, but again, that the user may modified

PLEASE... IF YOU AGREE WITH ME LET MICROSOFT KNOW... MAYBE, AND JUST MAYBE THEY WILL NOTICE THIS THREAD

I concur. More customization please.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 03:41:54 Z

No offense but 1) last I checked, the anti-trust settlement blocks Microsoft from expanding various functions (beyond the basic OS functionality) into such markets, 2) the NTFS file system specification is a justifiable trade secret under US law, and 3) the NTFS file system specification can be commercially licensed. If people in the Linux world want to open source everything thats great but Microsoft is still a for-profit business enterprise. I no more expect Microsoft to simply give away proprietary information for which they paid than I would have done so myself when I designed occasional front-ends for databases in the past. If one has issues with a third-party utility, it is the developer's responsibility to address them - it is also the developer's responsibility to pay for access to proprietary technology.

Stephen

No Stephen. I have issues with the 1st party utility being inadequate to even shrink my single gigantic factory-installed C: partition.

Yes Stephen, I am offended by your obnoxious attitude. Review this post and then please stop assaulting justified criticism.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 04:39:43 Z

I'm not near my Win7 computers this week, but when I set them up with a 23" HDMI Acer Monitor to get it to fit the screen you need to set Overscan to MAX.
and to get to the Overscan option you have to install the ATI CCC Panel.
For me I would guess the 1080p screens will become the norm for basic consumers. It would be nice that after a install your monitor just worked with no fixes.
I did noticed this week that Windows MCE has TweakUI MCE that has OverScan settings. Did they add this feature to Vista and 7? I could not find it if they did, and I'll look some more when I get home.
I have already had problems trying to get some TV's to look right with Overscan, This might be some of ATI's fault but it seems to me that Win7 really should add more settings for getting HDMI output to look right with out having to go find more software to make it work.

This got merged here so Nobody will probably see this info, there are some OverScan settings in registry of Win7 that can be adjusted but are hidden for some reason but they work quite well when your in the Media center, Unfortunately they do not work for the desktop.

Found the settings here http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2006/04/29/586961.aspx

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 05:41:55 Z

One thing the Sidebar/Gadgets need? Better CPU/RAM monitors! The current one is absolutely ugly. There should be matching ones that go with the clock, or at least something that doesn't look like a vintage car speedometer.

Also versions other than two interlinking circular metres.

Not that I disagree about the stock monitor since it is something other than elegant, but I've yet to find a Vista gadget that doesn't work and there are a bunch of monitors out there. I use one that combines, time, date, CPU, RAM, and battery state into one digital/bar graph gadget - saves space and a bit of resources. Purely a FYI....

Stephen

"Purely a FYI...."

It would go beyond purely and actually be helpful if you provided a link to it...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 05:44:22 Z

A poster recommended that I post a copy of my WMP12 impressions here, to increase the likelihood of relevant people seeing them:

Just wanted to say that WMP12 is the first time since WMP6.4 that I've actually wanted to use the player as opposed to an alternative like Media Player Classic. Congrats! It's a beautiful thing how responsive it is to function. I also really like how it opens in a very minimalistic view to begin with when opening a file from Windows Explorer. It's perfect.

Also, the extended codec support is a beautiful thing. Windows 7 / WMP 12 has played 80% of my music and video collection out of the box. All that I'm really missing is OGG Vorbis for audio, and some of the legacy Quicktime codecs. I'd kill to have these present straight out of the box.

Finally, I wanted to mention two things that I noticed that could be better used: WMP's image on the superbar and the WMP preview when hovering on the icon. First, it'd be neat if the superbar's icon changed to match the album art of the track playing, when appropriate. Digsby currently does this for IM conversations, changing its icon to that of the person whose window is open. Second, I love that the preview of the WMP window has Track Back, Play/Pause and Track Forward on it. Would it be possible to include rating stars down there as well, for quick rating of tracks without pulling WMP back up?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 06:26:35 Z

I really think that Microsoft should do something for those who were willing to test through Beta to RC as a reward, yes, but don't think it can be a paltry amount, I wouldn't mind paying upward of half cost of the Professional version or an upgrade cost if it was made attractive that way for us.

I hope Microsoft do something in the way of saying thankyou even if it is just a small discount on the usual upgrade cost.

smoky

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 06:55:52 Z

Smoky -

Don't get your hopes up. They didn't do it for the folks who tested Vista, and they aren't likely to do it now. Yes, it would, indeed be nice of them to kick us all down a little something something. But don't expect it to be happening. There are just too many potential beta testers and just too many opportunities for fraud.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 07:02:44 Z

Don't get your hopes up. They didn't do it for the folks who tested Vista...

Maybe they'll be nicer this time around. :)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 07:33:08 Z

Remember, that's a public testing with around 3 millions of participants at the moment. If it were a closed beta program where you must require an invitation and get it (= fixed limit of participants), you would probably be rewarded by a copy of the final release. The same applies when your feedback is very active and found useful like it happened to some of the members of the latest Win7 beta program. As the RC testing mostly concentries on telemetry or such, other feedbacks like many suggestions here on the boards will likely being addressed - or not - in further versions (SP1 or Win8) and therefore not find any other reward that being able to test a nearly full-functional OS in its "ultimate" version for nearly one year.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 07:47:47 Z

Sanmartin -

The irony behind it all - those who ARE participating in the closed portion of the beta (namely MSDN and TechNet Plus subscribers) are PAYING to participate in the program - and they're not getting it free either.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 12:50:32 Z

<Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 2) >

To all forum users:

Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

Thanks

-Tony Mann
Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

ENHANCEMENT:

Last night. I started an application, and moved it to the right of the screen. Then I started another instance, and moved it to the left.

Then, I found confusing thath in the taskbar thumbnails, the first application preview showed on the left (because was the first), even when it was on the right of the screen, and the same occured with the second instance preview (thumbnail preview on the right, when it was on the left of the screen.

The GUI would be more user friendly, if the taskbar preview where sorted in the same order that the application occupies on the screen.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 14:21:52 Z

"Purely a FYI...."

It would go beyond purely and actually be helpful if you provided a link to it...

This is the one occasion that I will break my rule regarding responding to pretty little trolls since for some reason it alerted me in spite of unchecking the box. Personally, I give people credit for having enough intelligence to right click on their desktop, choose Gadgets, and then click on the link that says "Get More Gadgets Online." In order to add the original CPU Gadget, they must have visited the Gadgets dialog box at least once in either Vista or Windows 7. Upon clicking on the link (same place it was in the Vista dialog box) you will find yourself on a Microsoft website with hundreds of gadgets of all sorts, including many performance monitors. At that point, point one can then choose any option they think is best for their usage.

On that note, I will resume my policy of ignoring trolls....

Stephen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 14:24:10 Z

I really think that Microsoft should do something for those who were willing to test through Beta to RC as a reward, yes, but don't think it can be a paltry amount, I wouldn't mind paying upward of half cost of the Professional version or an upgrade cost if it was made attractive that way for us.

I hope Microsoft do something in the way of saying thankyou even if it is just a small discount on the usual upgrade cost.

smoky

MS can thank me by fixing the stupid annoyances and broken stuff that were working just fine in XP.

It seems to me 90% of the complaints in this thread are about features that were taken away or functionalities that have taken a step backward since XP and in some cases Vista. The two main areas are the start menu and Win Explorer. Now, I've learned to live with the start menu by basically not bothering to use it as a menu but as a search bar exclusively. In other words, if I want to launch something I don't have pinned to the start menu, I don't bother going into 'all programs', with its stupid clicking and scrolling, but just type the name in the search box. OTOH, there's no getting used to Win Explorer, which though it has some good new features, on the whole has taken a step backward from XP. From idiocies like not showing free space or total file sizes, to the 'calculating ' dialog, inexplicably slow file operations, erratic search behavior, not showing newly created files without hitting refresh. It's easily the worst part of win7. Sadly, it's the most used app that comes with Windows but unlike with IE, there's no real alternative.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:31 Z

Using win 7 RC1 32 bit,
using an Extensa 4220

So far I'm quite impressed by windows 7, the laptop came with the pish that was vista, so I installed XP and ubuntu, xp had a couple of issues, probably due to it's age. windows 7 taskbar is much better than that of previous editions, and runs programs more efficiently, than both xp and vista.
As a point for Comparason CS:S, getting framerates of 5fps under stress test under xp, 2 under vista and 20 under windows 7.

Some problems I've encountered,
you cannot drag and drop music into winamp - small thing but highly irritating, also not possible to remove the tasbar icon for winamp.
cannot install office 2003 - open office works fine though, and office 2007 is a waste of my time.

THE AUTO RESTART!!! the option between restart now or wait up to 4 hours is NOT the option I want, I want "would you like to restart now, or at your own discresion". and for it to WAIT for my decision! They had this in XP, vista etc. and it's irrritating as fu*k!, you can loose alot of work if you leave your computer for lunch etc. and it decides to restart your computer WITHOUT your permission. As a user I should choose when I can turn my computer on, off or restart it.

The ability to see windows before you click them from taskbar is good, also having them being hidden if they are minimised is good particularily for privacy of msn conversations.

Firefox works flawlessly

my printer (hp 1410) doesn't print black under windows 7, or xp now???
i've no Idea what's with this one, as it prints fine under Ubuntu.

Wireless works well out of the box.

they should probably be able to make the taskbar able to made smaller if put to the side. having a widescreen laptop I put the task bars at the side, giving myself more work space.

Oh almost forgot to say, finally the icons on the tasbar can be moved up and down (or left and right) by dragging and dropping. This is great to finally have in windows.

I think that's it, all in all though a vast improvment on vista. Will probably save microsofts market slice

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 14:50:38 Z

Windows Switcher: consider adding the title of the selected window at the bottom or somewhere. consider highlighting the borders of the selected window as well. when switching, it'll be a nice effect to see the title scroll.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:01 Z

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2958/windowsie8uierror.png

So this may be ie8, but since windows7 uses its own version of ie8, i've decided to post it here.
The text says to use tools with a gear beside it, but that dosent exist beside tools.
Is there a better place to be reporting bugs?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:45 Z

It works fine but it does not!

I know that ASUS should do the driver update, but the right drivers appear to be in Windows 7, so perhaps it has to do with detection problems.

The problem concerns both the IEEE 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controler and the Atheros network adapter.

Often Windows cant make the 1394 work and i have to uninstall and redetect the hardware, this makes it reinstall the VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controler, and then it works fine again.

Sometimes Windows 7 simply will not detect my Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8118 PCI-E Ethernet Controler, but all i have to do is restart Windows, This does not happen ofthen though.

I just wanted to repport this since it does not turn up in the Action Center.

When both drivers ar correctly installt they work fine. This is a dynamic problem.
For startes i only used the Windos drivers comming with Windows 7. Then I installed the Vistax64 bit drivers, but that did not change anything.
My windows 7 is the x64 bit version.

My PC is as follows.
Windows 7 x64 installed on the WD 300GB
M4A78-E Mobo.
GF275GTX 1792MB Grafics
WD 160GB x2 Raid disks using AMD RAID0 SCSI DISK Device controler (Chip software)
WD 300GB IDE HD ST3300831A
IDE NEC DVD_RW ND-3520AW
8 GB DDRII PC2-8500 RAM
CPU: AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core @3Ghz
Bios upgraded to version 0901

Esternals:
Maxtor 1TB OneTouch 4 HD
Logitech mouse and keyboard
Old Sidewinder Game voice module for easy speaker changing. no drivers installed though.

Boot setup:
Dual boot with a Ubuntu 9.04 linux partition on the WD 300GB HD.

CPU is only OCed by changing multiplier. PCI-E and PCI bus frequencies is not changed.

Since i can make it work this is not a big problem. But perhaps there could be a Windows 7 detection problem in there.

Regards
9elsen

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 15:44:30 Z

Microsoft is doing the same errors that made Vista fail with 7... just bigger ! The pepole will stay on XP or Vista SP2.
-I have a general sensation of slowness, it require MORE CPU-GPU performance than Vista, and has verry use-less visual effects.
-It takes ages to open some app like winamp.
-Internet explorer 8 is incredibly slow on 7 ! (but fast on vista).
-Games are slower!
-MSN MESSENGER DOESNT GO TO THE TRAY ICON ! (but other apps goes to the tray when cloosed!).
-The default combine option (on) is stupid(and should be easyer to set,like with right-click).
-Even with the combine off, the task bar still slow down my workflow: If I have 1 IE window open, I must click 2 times
(right click, and click on ie(that is not so intuitive)), with the good old speed start only once (and its intuitive).
-I really miss a search tool(same for vista):the vista and 7 search, are good for simple searches, and could be a plus with the old search.
Everythin is automated and before I can set some option(like a path!!!, system folders, search in files,etc.) I have to wait it finish the first search!
Its slow and stupid, the old search was perfect. 7 should have both the new and the old.
-The User Account Control still bother us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- In the recent apps in the start menu i see random links of a software, not the main one.
-There will be more compatibility issues, that could ok for a real milestone OS that 7 is not.

Now some minor bug:
-Some icon of the tray hides even if there still is space for icons.
-Sometime it freeze when you give the OK to run a new exe file.
-Sometime it freeze for a while when you come back from the stand by.
-For some reason i cant find the screen saver options.
-The latest visited sites visible everywhere is a privacy issue.

This is not really a RC right ?
Anyway the pepole will stay on XP or move to linux or mac...

xxx

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 16:05:21 Z

I will only comment what you say about the performance, slowness and cpu impact. I disagree with every single point you wrote about. As you can see below, my testing hardware is low-end at today's standards, and Win7, IE8, games etc. work fast and even faster - from my viewpoint, I'm no living benchmark - than XP. If I look at the running processes (TaskManager), every process consumes much less memory than the same processes on XP, and the CPU usage is minimal. The visual effects may be a useless gimmick but - opposed to XP - there is no notable impact on the system. On XP even a simple wallpaper or graphical background could slow down the whole thing. Now what? Are you sure that's only "opinion vs. opinion", or could there be any install / hardware / software issues behind this strange difference of perceptions - at least, theoretically?

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 16:27:21 Z

I will only comment what you say about the performance, slowness and cpu impact. I disagree with every single point you wrote about. As you can see below, my testing hardware is low-end at today's standards, and Win7, IE8, games etc. work fast and even faster - from my viewpoint, I'm no living benchmark - than XP. If I look at the running processes (TaskManager), every process consumes much less memory than the same processes on XP, and the CPU usage is minimal. The visual effects may be a useless gimmick but - opposed to XP - there is no notable impact on the system. On XP even a simple wallpaper or graphical background could slow down the whole thing. Now what? Are you sure that's only "opinion vs. opinion", or could there be any install / hardware / software issues behind this strange difference of perceptions - at least, theoretically?
Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

I think you have just shown the benefit of running programs fully in memory (Win7) vs the performance loss caused by paging them to disk (XP).

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 18:49:11 Z

I dont care abou benchmarks or number or stats... everything is verry much slower and i dont think there is any hw/sw issue
and the visual effects have a huge impact, somtime it freeze.
Oh, I forgot,
- I see no boot time improvement.
And my pc is a old core 2 duo, Geforce 7600, 4 GB ram.

xxx

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 19:19:12 Z

I dont care abou benchmarks or number or stats... everything is verry much slower and i dont think there is any hw/sw issue
and the visual effects have a huge impact, somtime it freeze.
Oh, I forgot,
- I see no boot time improvement.
And my pc is a old core 2 duo, Geforce 7600, 4 GB ram.
xxx

I think you may have hardware problem. My computer is probably slower than yours and Windows 7 is much faster on it than Vista or XP ever were.
My PC is Pentium Duo, intergrated Intel X3100, 3 GB ram.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 19:37:33 Z

Anyone who has installed W7 I'm sure has noticed the tacky artwork and in particular that ridiculos little white bird over there towards the right hand side of the installation background image which might be a varity of dove but I'm not sure.
For business it's imature and low quality artwork.
For home users if it was aimed at a particular market it must have bean housewives.
I was hoping for sometjhing more modern or futuristic.

Your feedback is welcome.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:50 Z

I LOVE THE NEW TASKDOCK! I mean Bar ;) But please make start button same size as the pinned short cuts. It just looks odd...
Its about time windows came out of the dark ages.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (AM2) 1000 FSB 4GB DDR2 (800MHz) 250GB SATA III (7200RPM) (Win7100) 160GB SATA III (7200RPM) (Ubuntu 9.04)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 21:04:48 Z

Mac -

1.) Slowness..??? Windows 7 - at least on my hardware - runs as fast, if not faster than XP doing the same tasks. And my hardware is anything BUT the latest and greatest.

2.) I downloaded and installed WinAmp 5.552 - and I don't notice it loading any faster or slower than it does on XP.

3.) IE 8 is slow? Are you sure you're using the RC and not the Beta...? The version of IE 8 in the beta was like molassass in January, but the one in the RC is running about as fast as FireFox on my system.

4.) Can't comment on which games you mean. There ARE hundreds of them out there. Can you be a bit more specific? Which games are you talking about?

5.) MSN Messenger - Ok.. so they changed how things behave. Things do that.

6 & 7.) Actually... the combining of icons isn't that big a hinderance. Nor is it "stupid" It makes a lot of sense if you give it a chance. And no, you don't have to click twice. If you hover your mouse cursor over the icon on the task bar, the preview windows pop up and you can choose which one you want with a click. The only time you would have to click twice - if you want another empty instance of the app open.

8.) The old search in Windows XP sucked wind. It was SLOW. Ever try searching for a file on a drive with half a million other files on it? XP (and before) used a sequential search. Vista and 7 use an indexed search - meaning it should be able to find the file in question in a matter of seconds.

9.) UAC - it's there for a reason. You want security? or do you want your box to be PWNED? Your choice. Get over it. It's NOT going away.

10.) Random links? No more random than the ones that you start off with in XP. As you use apps, they wind up going further up the list.

11.) Of course, there will be compatability issues. That generally happens whenever there's a new version of ANY OS. That's including Mac and Linux. Some issues are easier to overcome than others.

As far as your minor bugs go...

A.) The hiding of tray icons has been around since XP. The only difference with Win 7 - you have some control over how they behave. You can set the tray to show all icons ALL the time, or which ones are shown and which ones are hidden.

B.) That's an issue that will likely need to be addressed.

C.) Standby/Sleep/Hibernation has issues in the RC release. The programmers are aware and are working on it.

D.) The screensaver options can be found by right-clicking on the desktop, select Personalize - on the bottom right corner click the icon marked Screen Saver.

E.) Visible everywhere? Can you point out exactly where you mean by "everywhere"?

Yes, this IS an RC. Some people will no doubt stick with XP, move to Mac or Linux. But still more will be moving forward with Windows 7.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 22:02:13 Z

I have been using Windows 7 RC 7100 (both 32-bit and 64-bit) pretty regularly for the last 4 weeks.

I have even gone as far as installing everything on both bit versionsthat I have installed on XP Pro SP3 (32-bit and 64-bit Edition).

Granted I had to download different download packages for some of the applications because what I used with XP Pro were not compatable.

There were 3 applications that would not install without incedent or function properly (if at all). Those include my nanoPED Editor Pro 3.0, Java, and Nero 7 Ultimate.

nanoPEG Editor would install but with messages about something like "DLL,OCX could not register". However, it did actually work in Windows 7, but, extremely poorly. I believe it had more to do with the nanoPEG's incompatability with the NTFS filing system than Windows 7 itself. I'll never know for sure. Since I am using FAT32 with XP Pro SP3 nanoPEG Editor works incredibly fast. With Windows 7 it took 25~30 minutes to load, edit, recompose, and proof-watch a piddley little 6 minute, 500MB .mpeg file. With XP Pro I could do the exact same tasks with a much larger 60 minute, 5GB .mpeg file in the same or lesser amount of time.

Java wouldn't work right at all. I downloaded the latest version 6 build 13. It installed fine. There were no errors. But, when I went to a particular website that needed Java to run a tool, all it did was sit there and look stupid.

Nero 7 Ultimate, which is supposed to be Vista compatable worked decently enough with Windows 7, but, it was really kinda goofy. When I was in the midst of composing something for a burn I would get these really weird occurences with Windows Explorer popping up with a different range of messages of this, that, and the other thing.

Enough about that.

Let me first state that Windows 7 is definately an improvement over Vista.

But....

In comparing both Windows 7 RC 7100 (32/64-bit) and XP Pro (32/64ed) I found that the only thing that Windows 7 could thump XP Pro with is all the eyecandy and general appearance. The Windows Media Center, Gagdets and new ToolBar are very appealing too.

However, the new Windows Explorer in Windows 7 - it's horrible. Windows Explorer in XP Pro is far superior: easier to navigate, easier to get things done.

Boot-up and shutdowns: I have found no discernabble difference between Windows 7 and Windows XP Pro SP3. Windows 7 may be only slightly faster than XP Pro, but It's somehing you would need good stopwatch for. In other words, there is no "night and day" difference between the 2 (or 4) OS's.

Functionality and performance: Windows 7 is still considerably slower in various task that XP Pro. For instance, MMC, Event Viewer, Services, etc...take considerably longer to boot up than they do in XP Pro. The Event Viewer itself is a hungry monster. If you stick with just clearing the most obvious entries in the Application, Security, Setup, and System sections - you're only touching the tip of the iceberg. There are 100's if not 1000's of other entries in the Event/Microsoft/Applications folder for the various Microsoft Applications folders.

I mean, I'm not purposely trying to hammer Windows 7. I actually kind of like it. There are a number of it's features that I really like and those features are not available with XP Pro. But that's no consolation at all as far as I'm concerned. I still see Windows 7 as a sluggish and bloated OS. Furthermore, it's not an OS that will effectively replace XP Pro any time soon as my OS of choice.

GA P35 DQ6 Mb, Intel Wolfdale 8600 3.33Ghz C2D CPU., 4x2Gb Mushkin DDR2 1066 PC2 8500 Ascents Memory Mods., PNY-nVidia GE Force 8800 GTS (640MB), 4-Western Digital Caviar SATA(2) HDD's (internal), 1 EIDE-USB External; Hauppauge PVR 1600 TV tuner, Dual Monitor: (1) Standard up top, (1) WideScreen below; Altec Lansign Speakers...

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 22:49:54 Z

Here is a frustrating bug with Start menu search. When you type into the search bar, the results will be separated by category (programs, control panel, etc). Normally, when you search for a program (let's say Calculator) and hit enter before the search results are displayed, the 1st result will open; no need to use the mouse or select the program at all (which is one of the search bar's beloved time-saving features). However if you wait for the results to appear, that can potentially break.

If you wait for the results of a search for "calc" to appear, the enter key will only launch the best result if the mouse cursor is hovering over it, or not over the start menu at all. If the cursor happens to be hovering over a separator (the "Programs" or "Control Panel" labels, for instance) or over whitespace when the Start Menu opens, nothing will be selected and the enter key doesn't work.

It appears that hovering over a particular search result item selects it, while hovering over nothing deselects everything. This is inconsistent with the "All Programs" section of the Start menu, and nowhere else is hovering over an item tied to how the keyboard behaves with an item. This should be changed somehow, so the workflow "type search, look at results, <enter>" always works no matter what.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:01:21 Z

I know this was mentioned in part 2 thread, but I feel it is important enough to mention again. I also realize it is probably too late in the development state to implement a new feature. Regardless, I feel it necessary to request it.

It would be extremely useful for file management to have the ability to pause/resume copies in Windows Explorer. Additionally it would be great if you could add a copy to a currently running copy, in other words, adding it to a copy queue. The paste options could be modified, so you can choose to paste now, or add to copy queue. Having a list of copy commands in the copy window, allowing you to change their priority in the queue or remove them from the queue. These options wouldn't necessary have to be blatantly visible to the user, but an advanced option perhaps. You want to have advanced users be able to perform advanced tasks while at the same time not consfusing those less accustomed to computers.

I know some are complaining about the "calculating items" when making copies, but I like this. But perhaps you could add an option to have this on or off, and be able to change it on-the-fly would be good.

With regards to the complaints about the instant shutdown/restart when clicking it in the start menu, I personally am okay with this. If your going in that submenu anyway, you should be aware of it. But... perhaps you can add a taskbar properties option to require confirmation before shutting down or restarting. That will make everyone happy.

I'm also curious as to why the context menu options seen when right clicking your computer in control panel module "Devices and Printers" cannot be used on the regular Computer icon in Explorer. These look like standard administrative options one would want to access from there without having to dig deeper.

And in the visual department, can we have an option to adjust the level of transparency of the aero effects? I would also like to see more use of the black background with little transparency used on customization windows instead of solid white.

I have one final dig for the return of total folder size and file size in the Windows Explorer Status Bar. Currently, there is no reason to turn on the status bar. This is an advanced user setting because it is not on by default, it should show advanced information the normal user would not use.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:07:37 Z

Anyone who has installed W7 I'm sure has noticed the tacky artwork and in particular that ridiculos little white bird over there towards the right hand side of the installation background image which might be a varity of dove but I'm not sure.
For business it's imature and low quality artwork.
For home users if it was aimed at a particular market it must have bean housewives.
I was hoping for sometjhing more modern or futuristic.

Your feedback is welcome.

lol I agree. I didn't particularly like it either. It would be nice to have an option to change the background picture. Also would be good to allow it to be set by group policy for businesses. The default on any business edition should however be plain blue as it always has been.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:16:58 Z

If you wait for the results of a search for "calc" to appear, the enter key will only launch the best result if the mouse cursor is hovering over it, or not over the start menu at all. If the cursor happens to be hovering over a separator (the "Programs" or "Control Panel" labels, for instance) or over whitespace when the Start Menu opens, nothing will be selected and the enter key doesn't work.

It appears that hovering over a particular search result item selects it, while hovering over nothing deselects everything. This is inconsistent with the "All Programs" section of the Start menu, and nowhere else is hovering over an item tied to how the keyboard behaves with an item. This should be changed somehow, so the workflow "type search, look at results, <enter>" always works no matter what.

That happens to me too... If I wait, I frequently have to use the direction keys to make the first one be selected.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:22:05 Z

Here is a frustrating bug with Start menu search. When you type into the search bar, the results will be separated by category (programs, control panel, etc). Normally, when you search for a program (let's say Calculator) and hit enter before the search results are displayed, the 1st result will open; no need to use the mouse or select the program at all (which is one of the search bar's beloved time-saving features). However if you wait for the results to appear, that can potentially break.

If you wait for the results of a search for "calc" to appear, the enter key will only launch the best result if the mouse cursor is hovering over it, or not over the start menu at all. If the cursor happens to be hovering over a separator (the "Programs" or "Control Panel" labels, for instance) or over whitespace when the Start Menu opens, nothing will be selected and the enter key doesn't work.

It appears that hovering over a particular search result item selects it, while hovering over nothing deselects everything. This is inconsistent with the "All Programs" section of the Start menu, and nowhere else is hovering over an item tied to how the keyboard behaves with an item. This should be changed somehow, so the workflow "type search, look at results, <enter>" always works no matter what.

Confirmed! That's a real bug - well spotted.

Moderator: please pick this up as a bug report and forward to the developers. Thanks.

Thack

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:24:47 Z

I'm working in the environment with hundreds of employees. We mainly use Windows XP. All attempts to introduce Vista (even in small scale) have failed. Response time was too slow. Even those employees who are not skilled with the computers demanded XP since Vista was not an option for them after introductory few week time. New notebooks with Vista are practically useless. Response time prevented users to work normally - frustration level is just too high.
I install Windows 7 recently. First thing I want to do was to disable all visual effects and decrease response of the system to the minimum. With regret I find there is no option to do this. I asked "Uncle Google" and find this forum. Reading the posts with the arguments pro and against "classic menus" I got impression that noone in this forum write (ask) the right question. When I work I work for money. If I change the user interface I need to learn new tricks - retrain. This requres time to retrain and cost me money. If your boss is willing to pay you for not working you are lucky, mine is not the same.
Now I have the decision problem. Microsoft will discontinue XP and its support. What should I recommend to my bosses? Retraining and user support will cost enormous loss of time and money. Is it now a time to leave Microsoft?
With Office 2003 we finally gain response time within 1 seconds (load Word and open document, save and close, ...). It is not optimal but it really increased productivity. Office 2007 increased response time up to 8 seconds on the same hardware. Users' frustration level decreased productivity for more than 30% - yes we are loosing money. More and more our employees considered MacOS as alternative and some are even willing to switch to linux.
Since there are no obvious reasons why Microsoft does this I think they want to frustrate users to decrease its market share, and prevent some (possible) new law suits.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Fri, 29 May 2009 23:57:40 Z

However, the new Windows Explorer in Windows 7 - it's horrible. Windows Explorer in XP Pro is far superior: easier to navigate, easier to get things done.

Boot-up and shutdowns: I have found no discernabble difference between Windows 7 and Windows XP Pro SP3. Windows 7 may be only slightly faster than XP Pro, but It's somehing you would need good stopwatch for. In other words, there is no "night and day" difference between the 2 (or 4) OS's.

Functionality and performance: Windows 7 is still considerably slower in various task that XP Pro. For instance, MMC, Event Viewer, Services, etc...take considerably longer to boot up than they do in XP Pro. The Event Viewer itself is a hungry monster. If you stick with just clearing the most obvious entries in the Application, Security, Setup, and System sections - you're only touching the tip of the iceberg. There are 100's if not 1000's of other entries in the Event/Microsoft/Applications folder for the various Microsoft Applications folders.

I agree and / or confirm this. :)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 00:24:11 Z

Microsoft is doing the same errors that made Vista fail with 7... just bigger ! The pepole will stay on XP or Vista SP2.
-I have a general sensation of slowness, it require MORE CPU-GPU performance than Vista, and has verry use-less visual effects.
-It takes ages to open some app like winamp.
-Internet explorer 8 is incredibly slow on 7 ! (but fast on vista).
-Games are slower!
-MSN MESSENGER DOESNT GO TO THE TRAY ICON ! (but other apps goes to the tray when cloosed!).
-The default combine option (on) is stupid(and should be easyer to set,like with right-click).
-Even with the combine off, the task bar still slow down my workflow: If I have 1 IE window open, I must click 2 times
(right click, and click on ie(that is not so intuitive)), with the good old speed start only once (and its intuitive).
-I really miss a search tool(same for vista):the vista and 7 search, are good for simple searches, and could be a plus with the old search.
Everythin is automated and before I can set some option(like a path!!!, system folders, search in files,etc.) I have to wait it finish the first search!
Its slow and stupid, the old search was perfect. 7 should have both the new and the old.
-The User Account Control still bother us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- In the recent apps in the start menu i see random links of a software, not the main one.
-There will be more compatibility issues, that could ok for a real milestone OS that 7 is not.

Now some minor bug:
-Some icon of the tray hides even if there still is space for icons.
-Sometime it freeze when you give the OK to run a new exe file.
-Sometime it freeze for a while when you come back from the stand by.
-For some reason i cant find the screen saver options.
-The latest visited sites visible everywhere is a privacy issue.

This is not really a RC right ?
Anyway the pepole will stay on XP or move to linux or mac...

I Forgot:
- No notable boot time improvment.
I use 7rc 64bit (of course i have a 64 bit cpu like most of us, i wonder why resellers keep sell the 32 bit version...)
Cpu: core2duo Gpu: Geforce7600 Ram:4gb

xxx

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 01:53:48 Z

at this point Windows XP mode seems to be one of my favorite features in Windows 7. I olnly think it needs a few improvements. I'm am a business user in all so i would like XP to be reconfigurable to i think the OS CD to be downloadable via Windows update in Windows Update in an optional in an ISO format. this would be good for us business users for if we want to add/remove features from the XPM virtual PC that comes with Windows 7. Don't you guys agree? don't you guys think that microsoft should add that in as an addition feature to XP mode?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 03:40:55 Z

Hello all Windows7 try-ers and techs too.

It seems I was mistaken about the software having faults. I have come to the conclusion that it is either the computer or the disk drive that is at fault. I tried to load Beta and it also wouldn't load where it had loaded before but with a different drive. I can just about rule out the computer being at fault since it was the same computer but with a different drive.

When time permits, I will figure out the REAL CULPRIT and dismiss it so I can get RC loaded and rolling.

I just wanted to clear the air.

I think it would help if the file the system needed was listed instead of a vague inference that A file could not be found. The last reference was to an "OSImage" file but no specific file.

Whatever.

Warren
..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 03:45:47 Z

I'm working in the environment with hundreds of employees. We mainly use Windows XP. All attempts to introduce Vista (even in small scale) have failed. Response time was too slow. Even those employees who are not skilled with the computers demanded XP since Vista was not an option for them after introductory few week time. New notebooks with Vista are practically useless. Response time prevented users to work normally - frustration level is just too high.
I install Windows 7 recently. First thing I want to do was to disable all visual effects and decrease response of the system to the minimum. With regret I find there is no option to do this. I asked "Uncle Google" and find this forum. Reading the posts with the arguments pro and against "classic menus" I got impression that noone in this forum write (ask) the right question. When I work I work for money. If I change the user interface I need to learn new tricks - retrain. This requres time to retrain and cost me money. If your boss is willing to pay you for not working you are lucky, mine is not the same.
Now I have the decision problem. Microsoft will discontinue XP and its support. What should I recommend to my bosses? Retraining and user support will cost enormous loss of time and money. Is it now a time to leave Microsoft?
With Office 2003 we finally gain response time within 1 seconds (load Word and open document, save and close, ...). It is not optimal but it really increased productivity. Office 2007 increased response time up to 8 seconds on the same hardware. Users' frustration level decreased productivity for more than 30% - yes we are loosing money. More and more our employees considered MacOS as alternative and some are even willing to switch to linux.
Since there are no obvious reasons why Microsoft does this I think they want to frustrate users to decrease its market share, and prevent some (possible) new law suits.

Marjan -

I gotta wonder about some of the things you posted. What's the point of opening a document, saving it and closing it in 1 second? Unless you're some sort of savant (think Rain Man) with a photographic memory, I doubt you'd be able to make much sense of anything flashing on your screen. That makes no sense. At least with 8 seconds, the average user can at least look and see if the document's the right one.

As far as training goes... For cryin' out loud... How long does it take to learn the new interface? 5 minutes? What's frustrating? The start menu is in the same spot by default. Even with the modifications, it doesn't take THAT much effort to learn how it works. Ok.. I'll be fair, if you've got a group of people who are completely ignorant about computers - it might take an hour - TOPS. This isn't rocket science. We're not going to the moon. Nor Mars.

You want a copy of Word - and it's not on the frequently used list? Just hit the Start orb and type WORD - all word processors will pop up, MS Word, WordPad, WordPerfect, etc.. Seems to me that would make it a bit faster than clicking on the All Programs menu in XP and then having to go hunting through 30 or 40 sub folders, trying to locate the right app. If your users haven't learned that trick, then yeah, you could be wasting extra time and losing money.

I can understand an IT guy needing more than an hour to learn where everything is - things have been moved around - but the average user? Geeze.. Stick a shortcut on the desktop for the end user and be done with it if they can't master the Start Menu.

And if you think the learning curve is bad with Windows 7 - what do you think you're going to get with OSX or Linux? They may have a similar shell - but their file system is entirely different. There's still an issue of retraining people - and by the sound if it, if they can't figure out Windows 7, they're going to have fun with Linux or OSX.

Most people - when they go to work - they expect to get paid for their efforts. As such, the company employing them should expect their employees efforts should be valuable and make them money. But what does Office 2007's performance got to do with Windows 7? Go right ahead and use Office 2003 if that's more efficient for you. I, myself, have a copy of Office XP loaded on the RC right now and it's more than adequate for my immediate needs. Word XP opens in all of a second with or without a document.

Microsoft's motives for the things they've done with Windows 7 is to make things better, faster and actually EASIER to use.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 03:46:01 Z

@Sanmartin

If you had looked at the files on the disk then you would know that there aren't any ".exe" files there. They are now ".wim" so it is now "setup.wim" which XP doesn't recognize to my knowledge.

Since EVERYBODY here is smarter than I am I'll keep the rest to myself. BLEAH!

Warren
..

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 04:30:58 Z

Gadgets:
1. sometimes the gadgets will appear on top of other windows even with "always on top" off.
2. the "close", "options" and "drag gadget" buttons is on the right, when i want to align gadgets on right hand side, it'll leave a gap, consider auto "side switching" buttons.

Time Display at taskbar:
when "use small icons" is selected, the time display will only display time but no date rite? why is there a need for making the display so big, having gaps at both sides of the display?

it seems that 7 likes to leave gaps for ants to crawl everywhere, taskbar gaps, toolbar gaps, gadgets gaps, time display gaps. got to look out for fine details like these as well.
work smart.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 05:33:36 Z

My apologies in advance if these are covered elsewhere. A lot of these come from the perspective of a designer using a PC (not as rare a breed as you'd think) who needs a stellar UI that doesn't get in his way. I run the Windows 7 RC, and XP, but also operate Mac OS X Leopard, and the latest versions of Ubuntu and Fedora. I'm not the world's best UI or UX designer, but there are some basic flaws in Windows 7.

Whether the taskbar is one or two rows high (I personally like two) it is not clear that the Start button is clickable from a wider square surrounding it (excellent decision to at least make it clickable as such, though). I'm certain the circular button could continue to be used at one row high, just push it over so that it's clear where it's clickable at, and perhaps make the highlighting animation faster. For when it is two or more rows high, however, I don't see too big a reason to keep the circular button, and I feel a rectangular space, akin to the Show Desktop button would convey the clickable area much better, and not look so out of place.

On the topic of the Show Desktop button, can having that appear be optional? I don't use it, don't need it, and thus don't want it.

The System Tray needs to go back to the way it behaved in XP (and I think possibly Vista). Having two to three levels (if right clicking) of disjointed boxes to get at what are supposed to be important elements is both ugly and difficult to use.

Custom libraries should be available to be accessible from the right side of the Start Menu just like the standard libraries are.

When customizing the Start Menu, all of the options are listed in alphabetical order, and the check boxes get lost in the mess of radio buttons. On the radio buttons, with some rewording it might be possible to get all those radio buttons on the same line to reduce the vertical space taken, and thus the amount of scrolling.

The Navigation Pane is a good idea, kudos for that. However, the implementation is lacking. I want to be able to reorder, remove, and add whatever I like to it. Removable drives show up, and it would be great to be able to be able to eject them right from that pane.

The column headers in detail view are too subtle, bring them out a bit more.

Window border padding when in windowed mode are ridiculously thick, and reducing them to 0 doesn't quite cut it. Being able to cut that down a few more pixels would be great, at least just on the sides. The top and bottom is understandable.

The Aero UI features are great... but Windows 7 basic's lack of the light rays over the window border area is more desirable, it's less noisy. Making them optional would be great.

When using Aero or 7 Basic, there are a lot of personalization options available that do nothing that should be removed when in these modes, or you can expect to get a lot of questions wondering why nothing happens when users make changes.

Depending on the level of transparency, the differentiation around text (and some buttons I think) is necessitated, but a glow (like a drop shadow) just looks amateurish, and I'm certain there's a better way to handle it. My suggestion is, when a user's chosen transparency is below a minimum, force the opacity of the title bar to that minimum then transition to the user's chosen opacity down the sides of the window border. Depending on the color choice and the level of transparency, use either white or black and possibly bold text in the title bars to make them easily readable without resorting to the glow.

Finally, all the rest of the default UI needs to match the user's chosen color a little better. I use a slate gray (neutral color) and the rest of the UI like the toolbars stays that blue... The clash looks weird.

The organization of options and the control panel is, in a word, terrible. I have nothing but trouble finding anything, and I'm used to having to rummage around in Linux, so that needs to be remedied.

I'm certain I'll think of more later, and I hope this helps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 06:02:14 Z

I'm working in the environment with hundreds of employees. We mainly use Windows XP. All attempts to introduce Vista (even in small scale) have failed. Response time was too slow. Even those employees who are not skilled with the computers demanded XP since Vista was not an option for them after introductory few week time. New notebooks with Vista are practically useless. Response time prevented users to work normally - frustration level is just too high.
I install Windows 7 recently. First thing I want to do was to disable all visual effects and decrease response of the system to the minimum. With regret I find there is no option to do this. I asked "Uncle Google" and find this forum. Reading the posts with the arguments pro and against "classic menus" I got impression that noone in this forum write (ask) the right question. When I work I work for money. If I change the user interface I need to learn new tricks - retrain. This requres time to retrain and cost me money. If your boss is willing to pay you for not working you are lucky, mine is not the same.
Now I have the decision problem. Microsoft will discontinue XP and its support. What should I recommend to my bosses? Retraining and user support will cost enormous loss of time and money. Is it now a time to leave Microsoft?
With Office 2003 we finally gain response time within 1 seconds (load Word and open document, save and close, ...). It is not optimal but it really increased productivity. Office 2007 increased response time up to 8 seconds on the same hardware. Users' frustration level decreased productivity for more than 30% - yes we are loosing money. More and more our employees considered MacOS as alternative and some are even willing to switch to linux.
Since there are no obvious reasons why Microsoft does this I think they want to frustrate users to decrease its market share, and prevent some (possible) new law suits.

Marjan -

I gotta wonder about some of the things you posted. What's the point of opening a document, saving it and closing it in 1 second? Unless you're some sort of savant (think Rain Man) with a photographic memory, I doubt you'd be able to make much sense of anything flashing on your screen. That makes no sense. At least with 8 seconds, the average user can at least look and see if the document's the right one.

As far as training goes... For cryin' out loud... How long does it take to learn the new interface? 5 minutes? What's frustrating? The start menu is in the same spot by default. Even with the modifications, it doesn't take THAT much effort to learn how it works. Ok.. I'll be fair, if you've got a group of people who are completely ignorant about computers - it might take an hour - TOPS. This isn't rocket science. We're not going to the moon. Nor Mars.

You want a copy of Word - and it's not on the frequently used list? Just hit the Start orb and type WORD - all word processors will pop up, MS Word, WordPad, WordPerfect, etc.. Seems to me that would make it a bit faster than clicking on the All Programs menu in XP and then having to go hunting through 30 or 40 sub folders, trying to locate the right app. If your users haven't learned that trick, then yeah, you could be wasting extra time and losing money.

I can understand an IT guy needing more than an hour to learn where everything is - things have been moved around - but the average user? Geeze.. Stick a shortcut on the desktop for the end user and be done with it if they can't master the Start Menu.

And if you think the learning curve is bad with Windows 7 - what do you think you're going to get with OSX or Linux? They may have a similar shell - but their file system is entirely different. There's still an issue of retraining people - and by the sound if it, if they can't figure out Windows 7, they're going to have fun with Linux or OSX.

Most people - when they go to work - they expect to get paid for their efforts. As such, the company employing them should expect their employees efforts should be valuable and make them money. But what does Office 2007's performance got to do with Windows 7? Go right ahead and use Office 2003 if that's more efficient for you. I, myself, have a copy of Office XP loaded on the RC right now and it's more than adequate for my immediate needs. Word XP opens in all of a second with or without a document.

Microsoft's motives for the things they've done with Windows 7 is to make things better, faster and actually EASIER to use.

:))

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 07:25:25 Z

Ok, I never bought into Vista...I had access to other people's machines (with Vista) and I was never impressed with it enough to justify the $$.
I build my own pc's, about every other year, and have stuck with XP. From what I gather, business has had the same overall impression of Vista.
I have to say, for a beta that is many months from RTM, I'm really impressed with Win7.

Impressed enough to (someday) buy it.

Yes I've seen a few issues, most to be considered relatively minor. Frankly this thing strikes me as being better polished as a beta than XP was a good year into RTM: Remember pre-sp2, anyone? XP at launch was a buggy mess. I have the feeling by the time this thing gets to RTM they'll have it running so slick the majority of us are gonna have a difficult time saying no. Nobody will want to bother with Home Edition, either.
The wallet will probably be crying for some time. Will have to stuff tissues in the money slot for awhile until it gets over it.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 08:10:37 Z

Wish for WMP12: Make the mouse-wheel control volume - at least when pointer is hovering above the volume area

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 09:21:11 Z

@Warren..

I don't know to which of my posts you are referring at but if I said anything of ".exe" files, I will have said that. After a quick look at the downloaded *.iso (opening it with 7zip), there are only normal files (*.exe, *.dll, *.msi and what not). No *.wim (a Vista compressed image format) anywhere. I looked at the disk, the same thing. So one of us must have a problem with his install, don't you think so?

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 10:34:07 Z

I have a small bug to report about Windows Virtual PC/Windows XP Mode -- when using it, occasionally it just freezes for several seconds. Everything freezes -- keyboard, mouse, but the typed text gets inserted on unfreeze. During the freeze I can use not-virtual apps with no problems.

I have allocated 1GB of RAM to the virtual machine (4GB in total), my CPU is Intel E8600 @ 3.3GHz.

Another problem is that when I click on my virtual machine in Windows 7's Explorer [under Network], it says that it's unable to connect, which is not acceptable :(

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 14:36:05 Z

Marjan - I gotta wonder about some of the things you posted. What's the point of opening a document, saving it and closing it in 1 second? Unless you're some sort of savant (think Rain Man) with a photographic memory, I doubt you'd be able to make much sense of anything flashing on your screen. That makes no sense. At least with 8 seconds, the average user can at least look and see if the document's the right one.

all I can say is I'm glad YOU don't work for MS. do you know how much work MS has put in just to shave a few seconds off the boot time? Or the work on superfetch to make programs launch a little faster. why? because startup time and responsiveness go a long way toward perception of speed. If you click on a textbox and it takes just half a second before the cursor appears and you can start typing, it will seem like half a second too long. Most people will not care whether their spreadsheet takes 8 more seconds to finish a long calculation. But they will notice and will get annoyed if it takes 8 more secs to open Excel or open a xls file. So yes it's a big deal.

as for the learning curve, most people in the beta programs are more advanced users. it's not a problem of learning. it's a problem of being used to a certain way of working. if that way gets changed, there better be a clear payoff. if the new way is not clearly better, they want the OPTION to use the old way.

and last I looked, this is a have comment about win7 thread, not how much does the free linux suck. I don't use linux or macosx and don't pay for them, so I hardly care.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 15:56:27 Z

Marjan - I gotta wonder about some of the things you posted. What's the point of opening a document, saving it and closing it in 1 second? Unless you're some sort of savant (think Rain Man) with a photographic memory, I doubt you'd be able to make much sense of anything flashing on your screen. That makes no sense. At least with 8 seconds, the average user can at least look and see if the document's the right one.

all I can say is I'm glad YOU don't work for MS. do you know how much work MS has put in just to shave a few seconds off the boot time? Or the work on superfetch to make programs launch a little faster. why? because startup time and responsiveness go a long way toward perception of speed. If you click on a textbox and it takes just half a second before the cursor appears and you can start typing, it will seem like half a second too long. Most people will not care whether their spreadsheet takes 8 more seconds to finish a long calculation. But they will notice and will get annoyed if it takes 8 more secs to open Excel or open a xls file. So yes it's a big deal.

as for the learning curve, most people in the beta programs are more advanced users. it's not a problem of learning. it's a problem of being used to a certain way of working. if that way gets changed, there better be a clear payoff. if the new way is not clearly better, they want the OPTION to use the old way.

and last I looked, this is a have comment about win7 thread, not how much does the free linux suck. I don't use linux or macosx and don't pay for them, so I hardly care.

yes, we need to appreciate the work put in. as a tech person, it's easy for us to understand that.

however, when i'm showing ppl around me who are less tech versed the preview(beauty) of windows 7, they commented things like "what for?", "no point", "i still love my XP".

to them, things changed in vista/7 is pointless, it makes things more complicated, slower, and are just fancy stuff.

but look at both side of the coin! MS actually set up a beta/RC version, a forum, tech support, do u ever see linux beta, mac beta?

consumers are harsh, they compare the good points of linux/mac (or even XP) versus the bad points of windows. they expect MS to give ppl what they want, while not taking anything away from them.

my view is: i really happy that forum was set up to listen to ur customers, and i hope changes will be implemented according to what we wished for. thanks MS.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 16:11:06 Z

well, i have a problem to report with BitLocker drive Encryption. whenever i use BitLocker-To-Go it Windows 7 gives me issues with internet Explorer and Windows Explorer (related applications also have issues) after the encrypted drive has been removed from my PC. the icon for the device still remains in "my computer", even though it is not available to eject anymore. and then when you try to plug the device back in, it never gets redetected and neither does any other new device. and MMC stops responding as well. i hope microsoft fixes this issue by the release of the operating system.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 16:41:38 Z

"Whether the taskbar is one or two rows high (I personally like two) it is not clear that the Start button is clickable from a wider square surrounding it (excellent decision to at least make it clickable as such, though). I'm certain the circular button could continue to be used at one row high, just push it over so that it's clear where it's clickable at, and perhaps make the highlighting animation faster. For when it is two or more rows high, however, I don't see too big a reason to keep the circular button, and I feel a rectangular space, akin to the Show Desktop button would convey the clickable area much better, and not look so out of place."

I think there should be some contrast behind the button. Something like this perhaps http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/start-menu-search-box.jpg

On the topic of the Show Desktop button, can having that appear be optional? I don't use it, don't need it, and thus don't want it.

That seems reasonable. Don't force features on people who don't want it! me personally, I don't mind it (but then again I use it every day)

The System Tray needs to go back to the way it behaved in XP (and I think possibly Vista). Having two to three levels (if right clicking) of disjointed boxes to get at what are supposed to be important elements is both ugly and difficult to use.

I guess they did it this way so you have more control over what goes in there. I like how it has the jump list like menu for the hidden icons. One thing I wish they would do is when you drag the icon in the system tray the icon it self moves (like the taskbar buttons) and not be "ghost like"

Custom libraries should be available to be accessible from the right side of the Start Menu just like the standard libraries are.

thats a no brainier there. Come on microsoft. Make it happen!

When customizing the Start Menu, all of the options are listed in alphabetical order, and the check boxes get lost in the mess of radio buttons. On the radio buttons, with some rewording it might be possible to get all those radio buttons on the same line to reduce the vertical space taken, and thus the amount of scrolling.

Or just make it in line with this

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/145

The Navigation Pane is a good idea, kudos for that. However, the implementation is lacking. I want to be able to reorder, remove, and add whatever I like to it. Removable drives show up, and it would be great to be able to be able to eject them right from that pane.

This has been my per peave since vista. I dont share my files, not do I burn all the time. Let me customize that bar! Stop shoveing commands down our throughts that we dont use.

The column headers in detail view are too subtle, bring them out a bit more.

Microsoft LOVES washed out faded looks now. So don't expect it to change. :(

Finally, all the rest of the default UI needs to match the user's chosen color a little better. I use a slate gray (neutral color) and the rest of the UI like the toolbars stays that blue... The clash looks weird

YES! Microsoft needs to understand not everyone likes white, if someone wants dark, give them dark.

The organization of options and the control panel is, in a word, terrible. I have nothing but trouble finding anything, and I'm used to having to rummage around in Linux, so that needs to be remedied.

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/145

They got some of it, but dont expect it to ever change.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sat, 30 May 2009 19:43:15 Z

Please add 802.1x authentication EAP-TTLS-PAP (especially TTLS) to Windows 7. SecureW2 works a bit but isn't very stable and the wifi profile in Win7 containing this 3rd party option gets corrupted every now and then. A build in option would be much nicer.

Arjan S

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 03:12:18 Z

Where should I post to offer feedback about the WEI?

I disagree that only new Solid State Drives should be able to score 6.0-7.9. Instead, the system should use the raw performance to rate the storage system. Why should my system be limitted to a 5.9 overall score when solid state drives are not proven to last as long (yet), have been slower in most tests (except random read), and smaller in size. My PCIe 8x Raid controller with 512MB of cache and 5 SAS2 10K+ RPM hard drives surely can out perform many of the solid state drives out there! It's even shown in te winsat xml results!

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 07:01:42 Z

One very important point about the scroll wheel issues I mentioned above (in bold below):

There should be an easy way to disable high resolution scrollwheel behavior

Since Vista, high resolution scroll wheels have been implemented (for lazer mice it seems). But this affects many apps negatively, most audio applications for example (e.g. Cubase, VST plugins .etc) do not work correctly with this scroll wheel. It took me almost a week to find the answer to fix this, but it SHOULD be in the Mouse preferences as a tick box.

More info here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/f/7/af7777e5-7dcd-4800-8a0a-b18336565f5b/Wheel.docx

Manual fix is:

1) Go to Device Manager and double click on your mouse device
2) Go to the Details tab, select Hardware_Ids from the dropdown and note the HID\VID… values
3) Open regedit and browse to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\HID\Vid_xxxx&Pid_yyyy\<instance_ID>\Device Parameters
4) Add the following 2 entries as DWORDs:
VScrollHighResolutionDisable = 1
HScrollHighResolutionDisable = 1
5) Reboot and try your apps again

VERY IMPORTANT: After installing Intellipoint drivers, the workaround above DOES NOT WORK! Thus, there is no way to use the scrollwheel in many many apps while the drivers are installed. This has been an issue since Vista and really needs attention!

I have provided further detail here:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprohardware/thread/3dc5e414-7add-48a4-be28-a054b7d35259

and

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistahardware/thread/97d23a62-1d1c-42ac-82bb-83e5bf7abe57

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 07:12:47 Z

****Windows Search (Win+F) default path seems broken**** Short and to the point. If I summon a Windows Search with the Win+F key from within any Windows Application, it seems to be defaulting to a path with no subfolders, so it doesn't find anything. Since Microsoft have now simplified the search feature to have a very, very basic menu (Try it, press Win+F) I can't seem to change the path to "My Computer" so it searches the whole machine. The workaround is to open a copy of Windows Explorer, specifically click on "My Computer" then press F3 for the search. This seems frankly a bit silly, can we 'fix' the default path of the Windows Search (When summoned, with Win+F) to be in the My Computer location? otherwise the Win+F search box is for all intents and purposes, effectively useless! Please test this yourself, it won't take long to do and I firmly believe it's an easily fixed bug.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 07:13:27 Z

Very straightforward complaint again, I don't have the best eyes and this seems like a really silly omission. Start menu customisation allows for large icon mode yet doesn't apply to all programs. If you want us to get used to this new thing while 'stealing' classic from us at least make it readable. Please apply large icons to all Start Menu entries, if selected. http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/start%20menu1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/start%20menu2.jpg

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 07:15:06 Z

Large Icon option in Windows Start Menu do not apply to "All Programs" only recent items Very straightforward complaint again, I don't have the best eyes and this seems like a really silly omission. Start menu customisation allows for large icon mode yet doesn't apply to all programs. If you want us to get used to this new thing while 'stealing' classic from us at least make it readable. Please apply large icons to all Start Menu entries, if selected. http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/start%20menu1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/start%20menu2.jpg

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 09:54:21 Z

I don't have the best eyes

Me neither, Scotty. Sometimes I even see double. :))

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 10:04:05 Z

****Windows Search (Win+F) default path seems broken**** Short and to the point. If I summon a Windows Search with the Win+F key from within any Windows Application, it seems to be defaulting to a path with no subfolders, so it doesn't find anything. Since Microsoft have now simplified the search feature to have a very, very basic menu (Try it, press Win+F) I can't seem to change the path to "My Computer" so it searches the whole machine. The workaround is to open a copy of Windows Explorer, specifically click on "My Computer" then press F3 for the search. This seems frankly a bit silly, can we 'fix' the default path of the Windows Search (When summoned, with Win+F) to be in the My Computer location? otherwise the Win+F search box is for all intents and purposes, effectively useless! Please test this yourself, it won't take long to do and I firmly believe it's an easily fixed bug.

Scotty -

Tried the Winkey-F bit - when I searched for *.JPG, it seems to have defaulted to My Computer anyhow. It found pic files on my C:, E:, F: and I: drives. I didn't try changing anything - just typed in the search mask and hit Enter. Files popped up almost instantly.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 10:19:54 Z

If my eyes are bad, my memory is even worse. Is there a Hotkey that brings up a list of applicable Hotkeys?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 11:17:08 Z

They should make a bigass button "Keyboard Shortcuts" under "Getting Started" [and include it in GS's jumplist] :))

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:47 Z

Can you possibly imagine how long would you need to scroll if "All Programs" used large icons? Very, very, very long.
Besides, "All Programs" has used small icons since Win95, and I don't see this changing, ever.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 12:30:58 Z

@tony mann -

please open a new thread for comments (part 4). This one takes a lifetime to load now.

Mob. AMD64 3000+, 1 G RAM, Mob. ATIRadeon9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 12:34:18 Z

+1 ;)

I intend to post two pretty big suggestions [with pictures and stuff] later this evening :P

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 13:08:06 Z

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 13:26:14 Z

@tony mann -

please open a new thread for comments (part 4). This one takes a lifetime to load now.

Well, something is bound to change pretty quickly now. :))

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 15:44:04 Z

the advanced search functions have become a galley since vista SP1 and in Windows 7

I remember easier access in vista (no service pack) and xp

Otherwise I think it is high time to simplify the addition and management of Internet Favorites

why clicking on favorites before you can click on Add Favorites

1 icon will no longer kill in internet explorer 8
and it divides by the number 2 easy click every time you use this operation

even when the management of the organization of Internet Favorites

I find it stupid that the order is set in the order in which it was added.

otherwise he must spend his time moving bookmarks or folders, which is given hassles Favorites menu in Internet Explorer.

A possible when sorting alphabetically by example

I know I find it more logical

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 18:03:51 Z

If you go into Help and Support on the Start Menu, and search for Hotkeys it comes up with lots of help.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 18:04:26 Z

Marjan -

I gotta wonder about some of the things you posted. What's the point of opening a document, saving it and closing it in 1 second? Unless you're some sort of savant (think Rain Man)

As far as training goes... For cryin' out loud... How long does it take to learn the new interface? 5 minutes?
And if you think the learning curve is bad with Windows 7

Most people - when they go to work - they expect to get paid for their efforts. As such, the company employing them should expect their employees efforts should be valuable and make them money. But what does Office 2007's performance got to do with Windows 7? Go right ahead and use Office 2003 if that's more efficient for you. I, myself, have a copy of Office XP loaded on the RC right now and it's more than adequate for my immediate needs. Microsoft's motives for the things they've done with Windows 7 is to make things better, faster and actually EASIER to use.
I, myself, have a copy of Office XP loaded on the RC right now and it's more than adequate for my immediate needs. Word XP opens in all of a second with or without a document.

@wolfie
All due respect to Wolfie, Anthony and anyone else,
I don't agree at all about motives for making stuff easier.
My choice right this second is write a long harangue on a little text window that frequently disappears,
write something short (i.e. unsupported) and using lots of shorthand. I prefer short.
Skipping to the last paragraph,
Example:it's hard enough writing a post here. . EASIER? Forums have been around since the eighties and this is by far one of the hardest I've used.
Example: Ask a friend to open your word 2007 program and then ask them to tell you what version it is (make it a little challenge, like the child-proof lighter)("The "about" splash screen).

On the subject of opening a word document so fast only "rain man" could read it:
If I write badly, and I often do, I'm grateful hardly anyone corrects me here, it's usually deleted or whatever.
"...is completely inappropriate and offensive. I have edited your post...." is worse, maybe. Understanding the pecking order here is important because if I'd mentioned rain man I'd be castigated. I prefer to think the person meant that documents load faster or slower depending upon which version of office being used.

But no, easier is not a main motive, and I submit "notification icons", the "about Word 2007", the left-hand side of windows explorer, changing the default "documents" location, as examples of my opinion (I did not say "proof" because easier is highly subjective.
I don't know most of the time, and the rest I think I know or don't care that I don't.
I daydream this second of the hypothetical limping people running at the Healer(IT professional) because he won't be here long. How does that go? "I write. help me write better."
I myself have a copy of XP32 on my computer and it's more than adequate for my immediade needs. But someone asked, Do you have comments about an upcoming OS?

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 18:05:49 Z

The "Open" and "Open URL" buttons should be someplace accessible in WMP12. ATM to open an URL I have to Alt -> File -> Open URL. There should be, like, an "Open..." button in WMP's Task Pane (next to "Organize").

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 20:26:59 Z

when i use my computer i generally have 4 or 5 windows of the same program open at once not to mention the windows explorer windows. so while you made the taksbar fuctions easier to access its hard to use efficiently becuase of all right clicks menuvering of the mouse needed. i think if you learn how to use it, it will be alright but still it inhibits ones ability to produce. the combinement of quicklauch and app pane was good but unfortunatley you guys hid all the important functions and slowed down the ones you didnt hide.

this is how i think it should be fixed:

first off. put button on the taksbar itself that can adjust the settings (for beginners they may not think to look in a right click menu). if they see a button that has a wrench or somthin on it they will most likely assume it is the settings for the object it is placed on. same goes for the start menu. put a button right next to the shutdown button that can adjust the settings.

second: when you put the mouse over an app have the thumbnail appear instantly. its not convientneint to have to hover for 200 milliseconds and its annoying to click. also include a large button in the thumnail bar that has the program icon and the words "Open another Window" (HERE is a Photoshopped image of what i want). you dont completely get around the lack of the quicklaunch, which most people used to open up alot of the same program, but it would be heck of a lot more user friendly than Shift+Click or Right click to get a menu (and most likely faster).

third: when you right click on the taskbar buttons bring back THIS menu. just put slide out menus so you can select the right window

hope this helps, nitrous_74

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 21:19:56 Z

I think that I have found probably the worst UI in the whole operating system -- the "turn system notification icons on/off" thingy.

Just look at this freak!:

There are basically two huge WTF s in this window/image. This time I'm going to start with #2, just for the kicks (and cos I messed up the numbers in the image ^^).

2) There is a huge, separate window, made just for a list with 5 items (which, for no apparent reason, are pretty far apart). Wtf?
1) [it's #1 also because it's more wtf-ish] Each of these 5 items has a dropdown with two items, which are a boolean . This is just awful , because we need 2 clicks to do anything . And if it's a boolean (true/false), wouldn't a checkbox be much more suited for this?

Also, how will touchscreen users fell about this?

Please somehow work this out. If you can't think of anything better, just swap the dropdowns for checkboxes :) [feel free to give me credit, kthxbye]

P.S.: Please don't make me write long answers/comments to defend this, because I sort of messed up my hand+fingers and it is pretty difficult for me to write anything. Thx.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 21:50:02 Z

2.) The contents of the list are based off what has appeared in your taskbar's notification area. I list about 20 items in my applet.

1.) There should be three options:

» Show icons and notifications.
» Hide icons and notifications.
» Only show notifications.

Why you're seeing only two, I don't know. Also, using a combobox is actually beneficial on low-resolution displays I would imagine. Less vertical space is used than if a group of radial buttons were used. It also means you can restore the window without a problem because you only need to use enough width for the longest string + a few pixels compared to having all the three options displayed. This effectively means you can use longer, more descriptive captions rather than short, non-descript ones. Now, whether that last point is good or not, who knows. The Control Panel (Home) is what happens when people go too far. :-)

(Somewhat related) I find it annoying that there is no way to remove options from the list. I activated Windows 7 a long time ago but "Windows Activation Client" is going to be there until I get the RTM. Great.

Edit:
I hit the wrong menu, whoops! I don't mind the fact that it is a full form (I hate things like small TDI applets like Folder options) but having a single checkbox here would probably be the smart move.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 21:55:54 Z

The window you're talking about - the one w/ 20 applets and stuff - that's the wrong one (*sigh*).

Below the window you're looking at, there are two links - press the first one. You'll get to the window I'm talking about.

Regards,
Kristaps.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 22:04:41 Z

Yup. I noticed that myself.

Is anyone unable to open to open the "Notification Area Icons" applet from the start menu search using a keyboard? I've tried a few times and it seems to only work when I use my mouse after search. I've clicking both Enter/Return and using the Context Menu button then clicking "Open" and neither work.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 22:21:52 Z

Considering how many posts there are on the Win7 forums about setting up a network, this is an area that should be addressed. With all coders at Microsofts fingertips, you think they could come up with a simple network setup routine. FWIW - I've been trying to get my network re-established for the past couple weeks and nothing works so far.
So, how about a very simple network setup routine:
1) Look for computers connected to router
2) Identify computers and OS
3) Connect
4) Security settings at default of On, Encrypted - Force passwords etc thru dialog box.

Für Elise - Support the Heart & Breast Cancer Foundations.

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 23:10:16 Z

1.) There should be three options:

» Show icons and notifications.
» Hide icons and notifications.
» Only show notifications.

Yes. Thanks.
I think it's so cool knowing why an inexperienced user's computer is "running slow lately" by looking over their shoulder briefly and counting the taskbar icon, um, things. Hiding them because it's inconvenient to see them is like, say, (controversial analogy), and dumb.
It's in the interest of a Hacker and computer salespeople that people do hide what they do not understand, but it is in their interest to know what transpires.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/31cyber.html?ref=us, because I can't do the html thingy
(did this whole place just go offline as soon as I posted this the first time? Sorry)

Have Comments about Windows 7 RC? (Part 3 - Do not post questions in this thread)

Sun, 31 May 2009 23:15:57 Z

LilBro -

Er.. That IS kinda the point behind Windows 7's Home Group networking... The caveat - you all have to be running Win 7...