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Win 7 RC Libraries bugs: Word 2007 custom save location problems (AutoRecover, Files, Templates)
Win 7 RC Libraries bugs: Word 2007 custom save location problems (AutoRecover, Files, Templates)
- Hello everyone,
I've encountered this bug with the Libraries in the RC release.
Whew. Forgive me if by my description of this bug, I've put you to sleep, or not precisely reproduced every angle. That's what PSR is for, right?
I have a PSR recording for this glitch and will be happy to forward it to moderators, if you want to contact me via my registration email / PM me. I'm running Win7 RC x64 and MS Office 2007 Ultimate, with SP1 & SP2 installed -- and running this as a Super Admin and as a normal Admin does not change things.
Here's the issue that's come up.
Libraries & Word 2007: Custom default save locations buggy.
The commands used were these:
Using a Super Admin account:
Word Options --> Save --> AutoRecover File Location --> Browse --> C:\Users\Public\Documents\
Word Options --> Save --> Default File Location --> Browse --> C:\Users\Public\Documents\
Also, using a Super Admin account:
Word Options --> Advanced / General --> File Locations --> Documents --> Modify --> C:\Users\Public\Documents\
Word Options --> Advanced / General --> File Locations --> User Templates --> Modify --> C:\Users\Public\Documents\
Word Options --> Advanced / General --> File Locations --> AutoRecover files --> Modify --> C:\Users\Public\Documents\
None of the above stick.
I need to alternate between Admin and normal user accounts, so I save files to a common directory. I am generally not on a LAN, so choosing this "public" directory location made the most sense. (There's no easily accessible "All Users" location for saves.)
There are a couple of interface problems bound up in this.
1) First, the LIBRARIES FILEPATH TAKES OVER when you open an Explorer window to any directory for Special Folder Types. That is to say, Clicking Libraries --> Documents brings you to, a Library subdirectory, one option of which is a Users\Public\Public Documents folder (with My Music, My Pictures, My Videos in it). The filepath bar at the top doesn't say: Computer > Users > Public > Public Documents. It says Libraries > Documents (and one option points to the above directory).
The same filepath hijack happens when you open a Save window. And in Word Options, MS uses a Save window to specify these default location changes.
What's consistently happening is that the default Save location opens to
Libraries > Documents.
It does NOT want to open to
Libraries > Documents > Users > Public > Public Documents.
I've tried fiddling with three different ways, none of which works.
1. One way of actually knocking some sense into Libraries is doing Right-click --> Open folder/file location, which gets you to the TRUE Computer > Users > Public > Public Documents filepath. Unfortunately, that didn't work.
2. When the Save dialogue opened, I pasted in the C:\Users\Public\Public Documents filepath. But at that point, WORD SAVES THE OPTION TO THE NEXT SUBFOLDER DOWN, AS C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\MY MUSIC!!!!!
3. To avoid that situation (where Libraries takes you automagically into the first SUBFOLDER within a directory), you have to get around ANOTHER GLITCH:
a. Right-click on My Music --> Open Folder Location.
b. If this doesn't involve Word, but just involves getting to this filepath from Windows Explorer (opening Libraries > Documents > Public\Public Documents), Windows Explorer WILL NOT LET YOU ACCESS THE PUBLIC\PUBLIC DOCUMENTS directory. You can't, from within Libraries, click or double-click on the "empty space" in that directory to get to that level. (Doing so just Selects the entire directory, with ALL of its subfolders (My Music, etc.). You can't double-click on the directory name in Libraries, because it does the same thing. Again, you're stuck with Right-click on a file in the directory --> Open File Location.
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- I'm not sure I understand your discription. Word should have locations for default saving that do not include the Libraries. Libraries do not contain files, they contain pointers to file locations. The library can be set to save to any location, the original save folder, or any other. 'Documents" is a Library, and "My Documents" is a profile documents folder. The 'save to' location for Documents is, by default "My Documents" but it can be set to point anywhere. Another complication on that is the virtual nature of "My Documents" having become something other than a location in the deprecated "Documents and Settings" folder.
Backup custom settings are already pretty granular. Choosing to 'group by' should allow backing up only specific folders withing any library.Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP- Marked As Answer bySaMcp1123AnswererTuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 AM
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- By the way, these other issues seem strongly related.
First of all, Libraries and other Windows 7 features are set up from the get-go to be a little better than Vista in terms of handling filepath redirection. Vista was notoriously fragile in that regard, and the brilliance of Libraries is to handle that uniformly, so you will have no trouble moving your defaults to entirely different storage volumes. (One of my libraries collects stuff on 4 different storage volumes, without a problem.) See this thread on how Libraries is handling that operation:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/23679ecc-57ba-4c21-ad19-b044e331ab92/
This in turn has some unintended consequences. I think what we have here is a case where the UI team planned for changing directories, but didn't plan for Libraries to accommodate with TWO simultaneous filepath redirects. That's what is happening by Libraries running alongside Office's own setup routines, which do filepath redirects using the Save dialogue box.
Second, a part of this bug -- the problems created by the way that Libraries bypasses the full Address Bar filepath -- relates directly to another bug, seen in mid-April, here:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/a892f720-4143-432f-a3e6-3532b5859505
I would not consider this bug "reported" since that thread has been locked, and this is broader -- and potentially more serious -- in scope.
How can users be sure Word is going to save their Templates, AutoRecover, and Docs in a particular directory now? What directories are suddenly out of bounds? No one really knows yet.
A third issue (completely tangential) is that there is a lot of unclarity in how Backup works in handling the Libraries. Some of my libraries point to volumes on the scale of 125 GB, so I'm not keen on Backup always presuming to include the user's Libraries. Is there even a setting that enables a user to handle individual directories within libraries in a granular fashion -- so one can backup scattered odds and ends in a Library, without having to backup that 125GB directory that just forms a part of any Library's pointers?
a.k.a. - I'm not sure I understand your discription. Word should have locations for default saving that do not include the Libraries. Libraries do not contain files, they contain pointers to file locations. The library can be set to save to any location, the original save folder, or any other. 'Documents" is a Library, and "My Documents" is a profile documents folder. The 'save to' location for Documents is, by default "My Documents" but it can be set to point anywhere. Another complication on that is the virtual nature of "My Documents" having become something other than a location in the deprecated "Documents and Settings" folder.
Backup custom settings are already pretty granular. Choosing to 'group by' should allow backing up only specific folders withing any library.Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP- Marked As Answer bySaMcp1123AnswererTuesday, June 16, 2009 3:30 AM

