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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:34 AM
     
     
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    I have a gaming grade video card with tons of performance. So it would be nice if Virtual PC used something slight better than a decade old video card.

    The Vista and 7 VMs would look better

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:50 AM
     
     
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    Your video card is irrelevant in this case.  The video card in a VM is emulated by the CPU.  The more powerful the emulated video card, the heavier the load.

    There's only one VM solution that can leverage the physical video card, Parallels Workstation Extreme for $400 and the hardware requirements are pretty strict.

    http://www.parallels.com/products/extreme/

     

    Otherwise, you'd need to look at Hyper-V's RemoteFX which is a different type of solution with a whole other set of requirements.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/rds-remotefx.aspx

     

     
  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:51 AM
     
     
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    Did you install the Integration Components ?
     
  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:53 AM
     
     
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    I have looked at other hypervisors and all of them are the same crap

    do I have to develop my own VM and use that?

    It would not be the first VM I have done, I developed an emulator for an antique console. Then it could run the games. Atari 2600 anyone?

    The VM MS uses has not been updated properly at all.

     

    As for the components, of course I did

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:30 AM
     
     
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      The fact that none of the available solutions does this should tell you something! It obviously is not a high priority in their opinion.

     

    Bill
     
  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:52 PM
     
     
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    I looked more closely into VPC 2003  and up, and the VM is the same for all of them.

    The restriction over using Windows erver in a VM is purely nonsense, it will run but MS does not want desktop Windows to be the hypervisor.

    At least Hyper-V is free so its does not get unduly costly for a shop to visualize services.

     

    So lets look at screen savers, some need the aero.

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:25 PM
     
     
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    Well, i just installed Windos 7 in VPC enabled the integration features and have AERO Theme enabled.

    Alex

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:31 PM
     
     
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    It has never worked for me

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:38 PM
     
     
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    It's hardware dependent, but I have never figured out the exact
    requirements.  It just basically works in some hardware
    configurations, and doesn't in others.
     
     
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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:40 PM
     
     
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    I have hardware virtualization support, my GPU is a GTX 260 with plenty of performance in the 550 GFLOPS range.

     

     

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:38 PM
     
     
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    The real issue is Windows architecture.  Windows allows 1 driver to access a device.  There's no option for a 2nd driver from the VM to access and control the video card.  Until Windows architecture changes, you're not going have direct access to a host video card.
     
  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:47 PM
     
     
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    According to the device manager, some of the devices are not correct.

    The video is a Trio 3D which I actually have in my junk box. I own 2 such cards. One is 4 MB and the other is 8 MB.

    Those cards are AGP the original x1 speed.

     

    Why not have something like my netbook. It has 2 shaders.

    My GTX 260 has 216 shaders

     

     

     

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  • Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:25 PM
     
     
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    Actually it is an emulation that differs from a real Trio in several ways.  The emulated card needed to use a driver provided in various versions of Windows as well as non-Windows operating systems and so is named for one so that operating system installers would recognize and be able to install a driver in the vm.  A change to the Virtual Machine Settings File can allow 16MB of VRam but the emulation is still 2D so there is little point.  See Ben's blog about the choice of the S3 Trio card at

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2005/01/26/361361.aspx

    and

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2005/11/21/494961.aspx 

    One of the classic points of confusion for end users is the emulated Intel 21140 networking card.  It is named for a 100mbit card so users think that they cannot leverage their 1000mbit physical card.  But the emulation is not written to perfectly emulate the real card and users actually do get five or six hundred mbits.  See

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2006/01/16/513663.aspx

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:23 AM
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    It's a by design behavior, and it's related to the CPU.

    I will change the type to  Discussion, let more people involve in the discussion.

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:50 AM
     
     
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    If I need CPU, how much CPU should I use?

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:12 AM
     
     
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    Google is your friend.  Have you tried searches on these subjects?  Its all out there.  A search on "cpu usage in vpc 2007" turns up many articles like

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824355

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:16 AM
     
     
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    I am using the newer one with Windows 7.

     

    I can use the Vista VM OK for tests, just it looks crappy.

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:22 AM
     
     
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    You are using WVPC and not VPC?  You do not get a cpu slider in Windows Virtual PC.  WVPC is not based on VPC 200x, but on Virtual Server 2005.  That is why the controls are so different.  You need to be specific in this forum or we veterans can get confused.  Windows Virtual PC is what you get when you install XP Mode in Windows 7.  Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 or 2007 is what was used in XP and Vista days.  It can be used in Windows 7 but to use XP Mode requires WVPC.
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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:54 AM
     
     
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    Still cannot install Windows Server, refused to let me

    So I use Linux over on the other machine

     

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:54 PM
     
     
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    If this is Windows Server 2008 R2 of course you can't install it.  WVPC only supports 32bit guests and there is no 32bit Server 2008 R2.  Only 64bit.
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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:56 PM
     
     
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    I could not install server 2003

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:01 PM
     
     
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    How about sharing some indication of why.  Like the error message and at what stage it failed.
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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:25 PM
     
     
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    it must be the 32bit version of Windows Server 2003.
     
  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:16 PM
     
     
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    That is the disk I downloaded, server 2003 x86

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:27 PM
     
     
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    Server 2003 has long been a staple of MVPs using VPC.  Steve Jain or Bob Comer can give some tips but you may actually need to talk to a server forum because it may not be a WVPC problem.  Did you check the .iso file integrity?
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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:27 PM
     
     
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    W2K3 server works for me.  Can you provide more details about what is happening?
     
  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:31 PM
     
     
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    I am downloading a new copy of Server 2003 Enterprise Ed. I find downloading with HTTP to be a bit dodgy with CD and DVD images.

    Maybe I need to develop a new solution to deal with larger file lengths and ensure file integrity.

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:41 PM
     
     
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    OK this now image is installing server 2003 EE

     

    so now the piece de resistance, Linux?

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:57 PM
     
     
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    A lot of distros can be installed and tweaked to run acceptably.  But, if you want the best and a supported *nix experience, use VMWare Player, Workstation, Oracle Virtual Box, and/or Parallels Workstation.  Any of these can be installed with Windows VPC, but you can't run them concurrently.
     
  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:08 PM
     
     
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    I only want to use it occasionally. I have a machine now with Linux. That is my current web server. Used it for years.

    If I have enough cores, I expect to be able to run 3-4 virtual machines in parallel. I have enough RAM.

    I wanted to install a desktop version on top of the server distro but Ubuntu does not seem to like the VM in WVPC

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:25 PM
     
     
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    The simplest way to deal with Linux is to download live cd/dvds and use a dedicated vm for just running live distros off of DistroWatch.  Don't bother burning dvds.  Just mount the .iso files.  That is the efficient way to find a Linux you like.

    Ubuntu is a pain but doable.  There is some help out there.  Suse as always runs.  A lot of others have had problems since the 2.6 kernel came out a couple of years ago.  2.4 kernels did much better in VPC.  I have been trying out the latest versions of old favorites like CentOS and am finding most are now using 24bit graphics and that is not supported by the emulated S3 Trio card.  Some are easy to change but some are tricky. 

    Support for 24bit graphics is another example of how the emulated S3 Trio card differs from the physical one because the real S3 Trio does support 24bits.  It was left out of the emulation because of the computational issues associated with doing 24bits in an emulation (performance issue). 

    VMWare player is better at Linux than WVPC.  When VPC 2004 came out I did extensive trials (nearly 1000 *nix distros) and almost all worked fine.  These days it is almost the reverse and it is getting increasingly hard to find easy to install distros.  I hope things turn around with the 2.8 kernel. 

    If you really want to do Ubuntu then use VMWare or VirtualBox.

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:27 PM
     
     
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    I can use the command line version fine. That is simple character mode.

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:35 PM
     
     
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    then use it to reset the color depth to 32bits and then go graphic.
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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:38 PM
     
     
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    even the CLI server will not install, I have tried 5 different versions

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:19 PM
     
     
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    Use the Ubuntu forums at

    http://ubuntuforums.org/

    This forum specializes in Microsoft software naturally.

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:22 PM
     
     
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    I know where that is.

    I have a file for Linux under Hyper-V, so what gives with WVPC? That deals with network address for static address and a few other misc settings.

     

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:16 PM
     
     
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    I was able to finally install the CD, but when it rebooted I say some segmentation error. I recall that was related to memory management.

     

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:18 PM
     
     
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    Next up, server 2008

     

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  • Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:09 PM
     
     
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    Server 2008 seems to be working OK finally.

    I am downloading a new release of Linux to try later on.

     

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