USB over Network, configure help
- I have WS08 with Hyper-V role enabled and SBS 2008 on a VM. I am trying to get USB over Network to work (FabulaTech). BroadcomNIC#1 started off with no IP assignment. BroadcomNIC#2 was assigned to Microsoft Virtual Network only so no IP assignment. I disabled NIC#3 that got created.
In the SBS 2008 (VM) settings I configured the NIC with a static IP 192.168.2.2. I installed FabulaTech server on my host and created an exception in the firewall for TCP port 3300. I installed FabulaTEch client in SBS 2008 (VM) and also created an exception in the firewall for TCP port 3300. After sharing my USB hard drive on the FabulaTech server configuration, I started the FabulaTech client that was looking for a server name or IP to connect to. I realized I have a problem here.
The WS08 parent is a member of 'Workgroup' and has no static IP. The SBS 2008 (VM) has a static IP. I configured BroadcomNIC#1 with a static IP 192.168.2.3 thinking that the client on SBS Server 2008 (VM) could communicate with the FabulaTech server on WS08. I guess I was wrong because I cannot get the FabulaTEch clinet & server to communicate.
Do I have the networking configured wrong? I think I need WS08 and SBS 2008 (VM) to communicate with each other so how should I set this up? Thanks.
Answers
Hi,
In Windows Server 2008, you can’t use tape to backup the system.(Even if you can use tape in Windows Server 2008, you can’t attach the tape to the VM.) So the acceptable method should be backup the system over network.
If I understand properly, you have the following requirement on the backup solution:
1. It needs only 1-box to enable both SBS and BES to backup.
2. It is convenient for customer to retrieve the backup and get the data offline.
If so, I think that my previous suggestion can fit your requirement. When we configure SBS backup, we may configure it to backup to the USB disk which is plugged into the host server. The USB disk can be un-plugged and plugged easily. Here is what we could do:
Environment
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In the following description, I assume the following environment configuration. You may adjust it based on your real situation.
Hyper-V host which is configured with an external network for SBS server.
SBS 2008 guest whose static IP address is set to 192.168.0.1
Steps
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1. After you create External Virtual Network bound to the physical network adapter LAN1, a virtual network adapter should (I assume the name is LAN2) appear in Network Connection.
2. Configure the IP address and subnet mask to ensure the SBS VM and the LAN2 at the same subnet. For example, you can configure the IP address of LAN2 as 192.168.0.2.
Note: If you have multiple network adapters installed on the Hyper-V host server, you may configure it based on your requirement. However, if you only have one physical NIC on the host machine, you can't RDP to the Hyper-V host machine if the management client is in different subnet from the SBS server. You can only manage the Hyper-V host locally or add another physical NIC for remote management.
3. Plus the USB disk to the host, I assume the driver letter is E:
4. In SBS VM, run Windows Server Backup and choose the destination to \\192.168.0.2\e$\folder\.
5. After the backup is complete, you can unplug the USB disk and switch another disk without affecting the next backup operation.
Vincent Hu
- Marked As Answer byLaura Zhang - MSFTMSFT, ModeratorMonday, July 27, 2009 11:29 AM
Hi,
Yes, you can't use Windows Server Backup to make a Backup Schedule and backup it to a network share in Windows Server 2008. However, you can perform the following workgroup:
Windows Server 2008 Backup to a network share
Important Note: This response contains a reference to a third party World Wide Web site. Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any representations regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from the Internet.
Vincent Hu
- Marked As Answer byLaura Zhang - MSFTMSFT, ModeratorMonday, July 27, 2009 11:30 AM
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Hi,
I understand that you encountered some problems in configuring FabulaTech tool. As it is a third party application, we do not have much resources on this product. I am sorry that I could not give you suggestions on how to configure it. I recommend that you contact the vendor for more information.
I have read all your four posts again and again. It seems that what you want to achieve now is just to backup the mail box inside the Windows SBS Server 2008 VM to a disk on the host. If I misunderstand your concern, please feel free to let me know.
Backup SBS 2008 VM in Hyper-V Server 2008
How can implement Backup Exec 12.5 on a Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 server?
'Error removing hard drive'
USB over Network, configure help
As I mentioned in one of my replies, you can use the “Remote Shared Folder” to backup the content to the location on the network. This method will be convenient than USB drive. I perform a test on my local Windows SBS Server 2008 VM, and it does have the option “Remote Shared Folder” for backup destination. You can see the following screen shot. You mentioned that you only have the option to backup to local disk. Are you using build-in backup software? Could you please take a screen shot of the backup option and post here?
I built a similar environment as yours and tried to backup SBS 2008 data to a host disk via the "Remote Shared Folder" option properly. The following are my test steps:
1. My Hyper-V host is in a domain(the IP address is 192.168.0.1). There is a SBS 2008 VM.
2. I will back up the SBS VM to the folder D:\Backup_for_SBS on my Hyper-V host.
3. In the SBS VM, type \\192.168.0.1\d$\ Backup_for_SBS.
4. Type a user’s confidential who has the rights to fully access the folder Backup_for_SBS on Hyper-V host.
5. Launch Windows Server Backup in SBS VM
6. Follow the steps to the selection for backup destination and choose “Remote Shared Folder”, click Next.
7. Type \\192.168.0.1\d$\ Backup_for_SBS in the blank.
8. Click Next to backup system.
I backup some files successfully through the above steps in my Windows SBS Server 2008 VM.
So I think this method is also available and convenient for you, I recommend that you perform the steps to have a try.
Best regards,
Vincent Hu
- Thank you for your reply and your valuable suggestions I am trying to configure a 1-box design fo both SBS and BES that also has backup capabilities. I do not want a customer to have to back up to a shared folder across a network first, and then devise a means to get the data offsite.
A closer review of the best paractices for using SBS 2008 in a Hyper-V environment (TechNet) suggests considering pass-through disks and VHDs on USB drives as 'internal' drive and *not to disconnect them'. I missed that and that would explain the complications I had swapping drives.
I realize my post may have sounded like a FabulaTech support post, but if you look a little deeper, really it is a question regarding the fundamental setup from a network point. If I was able to ping the parent from the child, I am certain my USB over Network would work; however, I can't.
In my previous experimenting, BroadCom#2(Microsoft Virtual Switch) always picked up an IP from the DHCP pool of SBS 2008 (VM). If it did this time too, should that be enough for be to be able to communicate with the parent over TCP or should I be setting up NIC#1? Presently, I was leaving NIC#1 available for remote configuration at some point down the road.
I want to be able to swap out two USB drives from the parent for SBS backup. Charlie Russel has indicated it works with USSB over Network.
Thanks for all your time and help Vincent. The 'shared folder' idea would be great under a different set of circumstances. With SBS 2003 I could install a DAT72 tape drive, a BES 4.1 server and the customer could have a turnkey solution all on one box. This is what I am trying to replicate.
Thanks, Hi,
In Windows Server 2008, you can’t use tape to backup the system.(Even if you can use tape in Windows Server 2008, you can’t attach the tape to the VM.) So the acceptable method should be backup the system over network.
If I understand properly, you have the following requirement on the backup solution:
1. It needs only 1-box to enable both SBS and BES to backup.
2. It is convenient for customer to retrieve the backup and get the data offline.
If so, I think that my previous suggestion can fit your requirement. When we configure SBS backup, we may configure it to backup to the USB disk which is plugged into the host server. The USB disk can be un-plugged and plugged easily. Here is what we could do:
Environment
----------------
In the following description, I assume the following environment configuration. You may adjust it based on your real situation.
Hyper-V host which is configured with an external network for SBS server.
SBS 2008 guest whose static IP address is set to 192.168.0.1
Steps
--------
1. After you create External Virtual Network bound to the physical network adapter LAN1, a virtual network adapter should (I assume the name is LAN2) appear in Network Connection.
2. Configure the IP address and subnet mask to ensure the SBS VM and the LAN2 at the same subnet. For example, you can configure the IP address of LAN2 as 192.168.0.2.
Note: If you have multiple network adapters installed on the Hyper-V host server, you may configure it based on your requirement. However, if you only have one physical NIC on the host machine, you can't RDP to the Hyper-V host machine if the management client is in different subnet from the SBS server. You can only manage the Hyper-V host locally or add another physical NIC for remote management.
3. Plus the USB disk to the host, I assume the driver letter is E:
4. In SBS VM, run Windows Server Backup and choose the destination to \\192.168.0.2\e$\folder\.
5. After the backup is complete, you can unplug the USB disk and switch another disk without affecting the next backup operation.
Vincent Hu
- Marked As Answer byLaura Zhang - MSFTMSFT, ModeratorMonday, July 27, 2009 11:29 AM
- Thank you Vincent. The information you provide is quite valuable and I will try your suggestion. I have corrected a couple of other issues that slowed me down like checking off the 'detect HAL' in MSCONFIG. My SBS2008 VM had been faailing but I finally got it up.
- I seem to have developed a network issue now. I can ping WS08 from SBS 2008VM but I cannot access the USB drive (E:) connected to WS08. Would you please review where i might have gone wrong. I have two Broadcom NICS on my PowerEdge R300 server.
WS08 Hyper-V
Virtual network (New Virtual Network) adaptor created when Hyper-V role was enabled
Microsoft Virtual Network bound to BroadcomNIC$2
Firewall disabled (temporary)
Here is the way it looks from within WS08:
Local Area Network 1
All items checked except Microsoft Virtual Network
Static IP 192.168.2.3 / 24
Unidentified network, limited connectivity
Workgroup
Local Area Network 2
Enabled, BroadcomNIC#2
All items unchecked in properties except Microsoft Virtual Network Switch
Local Area Network 4
New Virtual Network, ctech.local, access to local only
In WS08 I can browse to \\192.168.2.3\e$
From SBS 2008 (VM):
Local Area Connection, ctech.local
Microsoft Virtual Machine
Properties, al items checked off
TCP v4 settings configured during SBS installation
192.168.2.2 / 24
gateway: 192.168.2.1
dns: 192.168.2.2
I can ping 193.168.2.3 but if I try to browse 193.168.2.3\e$ or 193.168.2.3\c$ I receive an error that the network path is not found.
Tnaks for any assistance Hi,
Please perform the following suggestion to test whether it works.:
1. Make sure File and Printer Sharing is enabled on the Windows Server 2008 server.
2. Make sure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on the Windows Server 2008 server.
3. Check the services on the server to ensure the Remote Registry Service and TCP/IP NETBIOS Help service are started on the Windows Server 2008 server.
4. Run the following command to ensure firewall is disabled:
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netsh advfirewall set allprofiles state off
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Meanwhile, please connect from another client who is in the same subnet as the SBS 2008 server to see whether it works. Please also try \\192.168.2.3\ (without the drive letter and $ ) to test whether you can access it.
Vincent Hu
- Vincent, I am able to browse the WS08 server and the drive attached to the USB port. The 'backup once' wizard allowed be to create a backup to \\192,168.2.3\e$, however, I am not able to schedule it. If I run th e schedule wizard it tells me there are no local drives and terminate.
Thinking aheat to fill a customers needs, a customer is used to coming in in the morning and changing a tape or swapping a drive. I could not have them configure and run a 'onetime backup' manually each day.
Thank you for any further suggestions.
Rob Hi,
Yes, you can't use Windows Server Backup to make a Backup Schedule and backup it to a network share in Windows Server 2008. However, you can perform the following workgroup:
Windows Server 2008 Backup to a network share
Important Note: This response contains a reference to a third party World Wide Web site. Microsoft is providing this information as a convenience to you. Microsoft does not control these sites and has not tested any software or information found on these sites; therefore, Microsoft cannot make any representations regarding the quality, safety, or suitability of any software or information found there. There are inherent dangers in the use of any software found on the Internet, and Microsoft cautions you to make sure that you completely understand the risk before retrieving any software from the Internet.
Vincent Hu
- Marked As Answer byLaura Zhang - MSFTMSFT, ModeratorMonday, July 27, 2009 11:30 AM
· Hi,
How about your issue now? Have you tried the suggestion. I want to see if the information provided was helpful. Your feedback is very useful for the further research. Please feel free to let me know if you have addition questions.
Best regards,
Vincent Hu
