sccm r2 out?
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31 Agustus 2008 13:12
Semua Balasan
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31 Agustus 2008 18:10Pemilik
Not sure if this is supposed to be a question or not (there was a ? on the subject, but no question in the message).
However, yes, the R2 release of Configuration Manager 2007 did reach RTM the other day. The evaluation version is available for download. The non-evaluation product is not a free download unless you are a software assurance customer. If so, then you will be able to download the non-evaluation version. If not, you'll have to purchase the R2 software.
As to when the non-eval software will be downloadable, I don't know for sure, we don't control that part of the distribution process.
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03 September 2008 13:12
I know this isn't your fault, Wally, but Microsoft has got to do a better job with this sort of thing. When you say software is released, please release it in all of it's forms, or at least explain that "eval is out now, RTM to follow in a couple days..." I'm not sure who to actually direct that comment toward...just venting.
I've been waiting anxiously for R2 to release for some time now...and my current option to get it fastest is to install the eval copy and then change it over to RTM...which seems a little backwards.
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03 September 2008 15:08Pemilik
I completely understand with you. If it were up to me, we'd not announce RTM until all versions (English anyway) were available in all outlets. But the problem you'd run into is that someone would blog it somewhere (which happened here) and then everyone would be asking on the forums (as people did here in numerous posts in numerous locations).
We would have to find some way to keep all internal people from saying anything until everything got posted. And then one of the outlets would have the media posted and available before others did, and then the process would be blown anyway, as someone would say "Hey, my friend got his MSDN version, where's my eval copy?".
I have no idea how to solve this (not that I even have any control over it).
Hopefylly the code will be on the MVLS site before the end of the week, so I think you can manage that long without it.
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03 September 2008 16:30
Wally [MSFT] wrote: I completely understand with you. If it were up to me, we'd not announce RTM until all versions (English anyway) were available in all outlets. But the problem you'd run into is that someone would blog it somewhere (which happened here) and then everyone would be asking on the forums (as people did here in numerous posts in numerous locations).
We would have to find some way to keep all internal people from saying anything until everything got posted. And then one of the outlets would have the media posted and available before others did, and then the process would be blown anyway, as someone would say "Hey, my friend got his MSDN version, where's my eval copy?".
I have no idea how to solve this (not that I even have any control over it).
Hopefylly the code will be on the MVLS site before the end of the week, so I think you can manage that long without it.
I totally agree with the other comment about this. It would be great if you could bring this up internally to hold the announcements until it's actually ready for release. It's really irritating when I get a note in my inbox saying "R2 is RTM!" but as a customer with an EA agreement, I'm still not able to get it. It has nothing to do with you, Wally, but rather the process.</vent></html>Even though I know I can wait for it, I realllllllly want to get this in my lab environment right away. I can't test things like Softgrid and bare metal OSD *sniffle* -
03 September 2008 16:45
Not your fault Wally, but it sounds like Microsoft has once again chosen to delay the release of products to paying customers and make them available to non-paying first. Why put the Eval out first? Did they not learn anything from all of the complaints they received for the XP SP3 release schedule?
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/8D940CDD41631623CC25743500010720
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03 September 2008 17:06Pemilik
Sorry, I have nothing to offer, other than that we do provide eval so that everyone can start their testing so that hopefully it will get them to a quicker decision for their deployments.
That has nothing to do with paying or non-paying customers, just what is available for people to test with.
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05 September 2008 12:19There's no one you can speak to internally about this?
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05 September 2008 16:18Pemilik
I never said that, just that I can't help with what you guys want. I have mentioned this to the people that control the distribution of the products to our distribution media. They are aware of it.
That does not mean the process will change, but it has been forwarded on. That's all I can do.
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06 September 2008 2:53
Thanks for the info Wally!
I agree, we all can get by without it till it does release. We've waited this long, we wait longer. The eval copy is out and there's plenty of testing and sequencing to do in the meantime.
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10 September 2008 21:08
To explain the delay to update the MVLS site, it is important to understand how MVLS operates. In order to batch update their site with all Microsoft product releases (not just a System Center issue), they have a deadlne of the middle (15th) of any month for submission. If an RTM date moves past that and hits the 2nd half of the month, MVLS will roll that to the following month. This is the delay we are experiencing.
In the case of Configuration Manager R2, with the RTM date at the end of August, the date was (far) past the date required to have MVLS update in the September refresh. So, Configuration Manager R2, for SA customers, will be reflected in the October MVLS refresh. There is nothing to do here with paying vs non paying customers...........
This is not a System Center issue. This happens to any Microsoft product that is released. We are working closely with the MVLS team to shorten this cycle for future releases, and hope in the coming months we can announce that this process has changed for the better, with a tighter cycle from RTM to MVLS update.
Need it today Grab the R2 eval. It is upgradable to full product, which will hit in 3 weeks.
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10 September 2008 21:29
Yes, the eval is available, but you can't install it on top of an SCCM SP1 RTM instance. Only an R1 eval, or as a new install. If I'm wrong there, let me know.
Also - and I know this isn't a helpful suggestion - that MVLS batch system might be one of the worst systems I've ever run across. Microsoft's got the cash, pay someone to just upload things as they come available. That or don't announce product releases until the product is up on MVLS - if no one had said anything, none of us would be clamoring for it!
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11 September 2008 15:59Pemilik
No, you are correct, the eval version is only supported on the eval version of SP1. So you either need to install SP1 eval and then R2 eval or if you only have non-eval SP1, you have to wait until October 1st (now don't complian if it is not available on the 1st, that's all I know).
I don't know that we'll ever be able to stop people from blogging (thus announcing) about product RTMs.
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11 September 2008 22:26
Thanks for the explanation of the delay.
The reason for my frustration with not having the full version available is that as a customer I have no knowledge of the internal workings at Microsoft...and from an outside perspective it seems that the trial version has priority over a full version release for paying customers when I would think the exact opposite would be true.
Not trying to be too critical because I can see that this issue is not a fault of the System Center Team, but now as a customer I see that the reason for a possible month and a half delay of an update we have been anxiously awaiting is because of a limitation in an internal Microsoft system for how they post products to Volume License customers.
I see that the R2 version is now posted on the MVLS site, so maybe you were able to make some progress with the MVLS scheduling issues but I agree with androidtopp's comments. The MVLS system only allowing for updates once a month is not a very good system.
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to explain the situation.
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