Suggestion for getting people to think Office 2010 is worth buying
I was stunned by the lack of business improvement in Office 2010. The biggest flaws in Office 2007 and Office 2003 continue with Office 2010.
If they wanted to improve Office they SHOULD have -
1. Made outlook open multiple e-mail accounts as full exchange -not an additional mailbox with some functionality or pop/imap with very limited functionality but two separate exchange profiles simultaneously from multiple exchange servers. I would love to just open two outlook profiles at the same time without having to run a virtual second session. I find it hard to believe people at MS don't have more than one email account as well -but then again MS didn't really think the Internet would take off either.2. Full support for drop in jpg pictures in MS access - umm wasn't that functional with Office XP? Why take that out? Why should someone have to code to add pictures to a personal database? Might was well use oracle or a real database if you are going to have to use code. Adding Office XP photo editor is the work around but why not just add photo editor back into office if that is the solution? I understand it was innefficient and left a lot of white space - 8 years later you can't do anything to make it easier? Lately MS leaves a lot of the gui unfinished and just say code/use powershell scripts - it is more powerful! I'd be running Linux with no gui if I enjoyed using scripts. Is MS just going back to DOS because they won't finish writing software?
3. Offer the old menu bar for people (most of my clients) who don't want to learn the new menu bar. You can finally modify the ribbon to some extent in 2010 however my clients just want their old ribbon bar. Frankly I have no issue with the new menu bar but I'm one person and most of my clients don't like it so prefer to stick with office 2003. MS could make money selling the new version if they just offered the old menu as a choice with the new ribbon.
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- +1 on the office 2003 menu bar. I hate when the force you to learn something new. Not so much for myself but my clients hate it. I just hope they don't associate that hatred with me. =-)
- There are Add-Ins for Office 2007 available on the web that bring back the old-fashioned buttonbar.
You can find an example for Excel 2007 on the following link.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/Other-Office-Tools/Classic-Style-Menus-and-Toolbars-for-Microsoft-Excel-2007.shtml
Add-ins for Office 2010 will surely become available as well.
Regards Picsoe - Thanks for the info. I still find the lack of business reasons to get office 2010 dissappointing. And having to install a 3rd party add in to fix one of the many office apps that MS discriminated against their older clientelle by drastically modifying.
I'd love to roll out office 2010 for my clients but I can't identify one thing about it that justifies the purchase. And frankly the new toolbar (which I don't mind) has frustrated so many of my old clients they won't even let me upgrade them to office 2007.
Many of my clients have multiple exchange accounts - often with more than one company domain name. It would be great if they could either open more than one outlook profile simultaneously or have more than one exchange account with full exchange functionality in the same outlook profile. I think most would prefer two outlook profiles open simultaneously without having to run a virtual session.
And I think Microsoft Access is still a joke without real jpg support. What sort of things would you put in access - I'd guess about 50% of the databases most people would want to create would include pictures for inventories, employee files, catalogs etc. If you have to use code instead of just dropping in a picture you might as well use a real database like oracle.
I certainly do appreciate the office toolbar for excel but that still leaves my clients guessing on other office programs. Again I don't think the new toolbar should be thrown away - just be given to people as an option so that people over 40 (probably about 65% of the people I support) aren't frustrated or embarrassed that they are frustrated by the new toolbar.
There are of course many other things I'd like such as the ability for Word to edit PDF documents natively and office to print them but I would say the first 3 items would be enough for most of my clients to say they could justify the expense or to even have interest.
As it is I consider Office 2010 nothing more than SP3 for Office 2007. OK we haven't really improved that much but marketting says we need to sell a new version of Office -so scrap SP3 and just call it Office 2010.
1. You can use 2 different exchange server accounts in Outlook 2010. It will be in one profile but not as a secondary mailbox. Outlook detects the account the folder you are viewing belongs to and new messages will be sent from that account.1. Made outlook open multiple e-mail accounts as full exchange -not an additional mailbox with some functionality or pop/imap with very limited functionality but two separate exchange profiles simultaneously from multiple exchange servers. I would love to just open two outlook profiles at the same time without having to run a virtual second session. I find it hard to believe people at MS don't have more than one email account as well -but then again MS didn't really think the Internet would take off either.
3. Offer the old menu bar for people (most of my clients) who don't want to learn the new menu bar. You can finally modify the ribbon to some extent in 2010 however my clients just want their old ribbon bar. Frankly I have no issue with the new menu bar but I'm one person and most of my clients don't like it so prefer to stick with office 2003. MS could make money selling the new version if they just offered the old menu as a choice with the new ribbon.
3. That would just introduce more bugs and bloat and make it harder for users to transition to the ribbon. IME, most experienced users need 2 weeks to learn where things are on the ribbon. Less experienced users are in awe at all the "new stuff" that Microsoft added to office.
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/
Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com- >>
Many of my clients have multiple exchange accounts - often with more than one company domain name. It would be great if they could either open more than one outlook profile simultaneously or have more than one exchange account with full exchange functionality in the same outlook profile . I think most would prefer two outlook profiles open simultaneously without having to run a virtual session.
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I suggest you try Outlook 2010. :) Multiple accounts are supported in Outlook 2010.
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/
Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Thanks for the info. I still find the lack of business reasons to get office 2010 dissappointing. And having to install a 3rd party add in to fix one of the many office apps that MS discriminated against their older clientelle by drastically modifying.
I'd love to roll out office 2010 for my clients but I can't identify one thing about it that justifies the purchase. And frankly the new toolbar (which I don't mind) has frustrated so many of my old clients they won't even let me upgrade them to office 2007.
Many of my clients have multiple exchange accounts - often with more than one company domain name. It would be great if they could either open more than one outlook profile simultaneously or have more than one exchange account with full exchange functionality in the same outlook profile. I think most would prefer two outlook profiles open simultaneously without having to run a virtual session.
And I think Microsoft Access is still a joke without real jpg support. What sort of things would you put in access - I'd guess about 50% of the databases most people would want to create would include pictures for inventories, employee files, catalogs etc. If you have to use code instead of just dropping in a picture you might as well use a real database like oracle.
I certainly do appreciate the office toolbar for excel but that still leaves my clients guessing on other office programs. Again I don't think the new toolbar should be thrown away - just be given to people as an option so that people over 40 (probably about 65% of the people I support) aren't frustrated or embarrassed that they are frustrated by the new toolbar.
There are of course many other things I'd like such as the ability for Word to edit PDF documents natively and office to print them but I would say the first 3 items would be enough for most of my clients to say they could justify the expense or to even have interest.
As it is I consider Office 2010 nothing more than SP3 for Office 2007. OK we haven't really improved that much but marketting says we need to sell a new version of Office -so scrap SP3 and just call it Office 2010.
1) Don't expect to ever be able to edit pdfs in Office. That would be in the courts probably on the day it was released. Actually, even in Adobe Acrobat, pdfs are not editable in the same way you edit a Word or Excel file, so there is a pretty basic logical disconnect on this one.
2) As far as the ribbon goes, I would suggest that you advise your clients to buy an add in if the ribbon is such an impossibility, or just stick with 2003 (it still does work). FWIW, as it stands, I work with people who can barely use a computer and others who still speak fondly of WordPerfect 5.1 and Lotus 123 (the DOS versions) as the only good programs. They complained about the ribbon in 2007 for a couple weeks but never lost much productivity and don't complain at all in the present tense. BTW, given more and more of the federal agencies for whom I do work are stiplulating in the Requests For Proposals that deliverables be in docx and xlsx, whether one likes the interface or not 2007 and 2010 are here to stay.
3) I never thought the approach to jpgs in Office 2007 was all that difficult. I work with several companies that maintain Access 2007 dbs for historic building inventories and others that use Access 2007 to produce marketing materials based upon past projects (with embedded images). All of these are small businesses and none have dedicated IT, DBMS, or programmers - this is one aspect where no one I know has complained.
4) Sorry but if you think that Office 2010 is nothing more than a SP for Office 2007, then you haven't used it, or haven't bothered to really explore either the TP or beta. There are major refinements thoughout and certainly a reasonable number of new features. Just because some apps looks a lot like 2007 does not mean it is just a SP. Back stage, ribbon customization, 64 bit version - these are all a lot more than a SP. In addition, by the SP logic, 2003 is obviously then a SP of 2002/XP, and both are SPs of 2000.
Stephen- Thanks - I'll take another look at it tonight - I thought I had difficulty doing what I wanted with multiple e-mail accounts but I could be wrong or I'm not explaining my goal correctly. I'll definitely download the current technet version when I get home and give it another try.
Thanks - I'll take another look at it tonight - I thought I had difficulty doing what I wanted with multiple e-mail accounts but I could be wrong or I'm not explaining my goal correctly. I'll definitely download the current technet version when I get home and give it another try.
The early beta was buggy in dealing with multiple exchange accounts but the new build is much smoother.
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/
Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com
