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Exact Line Height Line in Word 2013 - Compatibility Mode versus Default Mode

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  • I am struggling to find a way to manage how Word 2013 handles documents formatted with exact line height lines without resorting to compatibility mode.

    Specifically, I am working with legal pleading that have side line numbering.  Lines are either 24pt exact height or 12pt exact height for what you would call single or double spaced text (though it is tighter than default single and double).  Because the lines of text are placed at the bottom of the vertical space reserved for the line, the first page will not align when the law firm name at 12pt spacing is next to the "1" line number at 24pt spacing.  This leave the firm name "above" the first line number, rather than aligned with it.  If the line number style is adjusted so that it is 12pt spacing with space before and after, this moves the line numbers down and they then coincide with the first line of text on the first page.  Unfortunately, when applying this kludge, a new problem surfaces.  On later pages, where most text is 24pt spacing, the 24pt spaced text will not align with line numbers, because the line numbers are 12pt lines that are vertically adjusted with space before and after.  The 24 pt lines, on the other hand, have the text at the bottom of the vertical space reserved for the 24pt high line.  Thus, 24 pt text starts below line number 1.

    Is anybody aware of a method to control this layout behavior without resorting to compatibility mode?  If "don't center exact line height lines" is depricated, what is the new solution to the layout control issue?

    I don't see how the grid settings could help, but I will welcome any suggestions about how to approach this in a way that is robust.  In other words, fixing space before the first 12pt line on the first page is not a solution, since 12pt text can sometimes appear at the top line of a legal brief when, for example, a quote that is 12pt spaced breaks across a page.

    Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:59 PM

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  • Hi,

    Thank you for your post.

    This is a quick note to let you know that we are working on this issue, and we may need more time to understand what you have done. Would you please make it clearer so that we can resolve the issue more efficiently?

    Please try to use the Problem Steps Recorder to capture the main steps you take in Word. Please also add some text description if necessary. Once you capture these steps, you can save them to a file and upload it to SkyDrive and share it to us.

    If you are not familiar with Problem Steps Recorder, please refer to the following article:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-in/windows7/how-do-i-use-problem-steps-recorder

    I may involve someone familiar with this topic to further look at this issue. Appreciate your patience.

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    Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:57 PM
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  • Here is the Problem Steps Recorder that demonstrates what happens with line numbering alignment:

    https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=75EE16A2C114DB79!15890&authkey=!ALg0lRvhK4diVwc&ithint=file%2c.zip


    H. Scott Leviant

    Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:40 PM
  • Hi,

    Thank you for your timeand the information. We will reply to you as soon as possible.

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    Friday, November 22, 2013 6:23 AM
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  • Hi Scott,

    I see that you are looking to see the difference in Word 2010 and Word 2013 application for the page rendering.
    Below are the two links that I think might help you.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233493

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2740483

    Do let me know if you have any question

    Regards,
    Rohit.

    Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:56 PM
  • Hi Scott,

    Please let me know if the above post helped you.
    I will have to close the thread by EOD if I am unable to get reply from you.

    Regards,
    Rohit.

    Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:59 PM
  • Rohit:

    The posts that you link to don't address my question.  Here is some of what kb article 2740483 says:

    Overall Layout
    • Word 2013 uses a new algorithm to determine the optimal way to align text and break lines. Therefore, there are changes to how lines and pages break.

    I am aware that Word 2013 changed the way in which text layout is handled.  My question is whether there is any way to control text alignment with line numbers in legal pleading templates without using compatibility mode.  When I exchange documents with other authors, and someone saves to the new Word 2013 format, it breaks page layout until I downsave to a compatible mode and re-activate the "Don't Center exact line height lines" advanced layout option.

    Did Microsoft just abandon this functionality going forward?  How, in Word 2013, without using compatibility mode, do I make exact point size line spacing lines of different heights align in the legal document line numbering template?  The example I shared showed the problem.  Is that answer "you can't do that in Word 2013 because Microsoft 'improved' the layout engine so that you can no longer use Word going forward for legal documents"?

    And let me finish by saying that, while I appreciate any response, sending me to an article that says things are different in Word 2013 when I started my question by asking how to do what I want in Word 2013 is not a particularly helpful or attentive response.


    H. Scott Leviant

    Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:39 PM
  • Hi Scott,

    Since the layout rendering has changed from Word 2013 to use the features like above you will have to use Word in compatibility mode.

    Regards,
    Rohit.

    • Proposed as answer by RohitA 1988 Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:53 PM
    Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:51 PM