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WMP 12 - Where is the Advanced Tag Editor?
WMP 12 - Where is the Advanced Tag Editor?
- hi, i was relying heavily on WMP 11 Advanced Tag Editor option. i can not seem to find it anywhere in WMP12. was it moved? or removed and replaced by something else? thank you.
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- Drag and drop the art on the track. :)
- Помечено в качестве ответаMark L. FergusonMVP, Модератор20 февраля 2009 г. 12:49
- You can edit the tags in the Library view in the player. Right-click Edit, for example, should work.
- Помечено в качестве ответаMark L. FergusonMVP, Модератор10 мая 2009 г. 17:15
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- Advanced Tag Editor isn't included in this version of Windows Media Player. By editing media attributes in the Details pane, you can still accomplish most of the tasks you might have formerly performed in Advanced Tag Editor.Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
- thank you for the answer. not really what i wanted to hear. what about adding your own cover art for an individual track? that was done through Advanced Tag Editor, or with the copy/paste feature in the album cover. not really sure how to accomplish this now. thanks,
- Drag and drop the art on the track. :)
- Помечено в качестве ответаMark L. FergusonMVP, Модератор20 февраля 2009 г. 12:49
- Bad, bad, BAD, B-A-D, TERRIBLE, T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E move.
Advanced tag editor allowed the addition of lyrics, lyrics in different languages (e.g.: transliterations or translations), original artists/albums, cover art, mood, and several other interesting meta-tags.
Sounds like a deliberate shot at WMP's feet to me.
- More like its heart.
- I agree. If this isn't put back in, I won't be using WMP anymore that is for sure.
- It seems like a solution will be the previous version of Windows Media Player installed in Virtual PC "Windows XP Mode".
- I agree this is a huge shortcoming for Media Player. How do I set a different album artist to artist, for use with things like compilation CD's? Older versions of Media Player made sorting music so easy.
- You can edit the tags in the Library view in the player. Right-click Edit, for example, should work.
- Помечено в качестве ответаMark L. FergusonMVP, Модератор10 мая 2009 г. 17:15
- I hope they include this again
- The main reason I used WMP was that I could add lyrics and translations (for non-English songs) with Advanced Tag Editor. Does anyone know of any alternative/external tag editors that have the same function as the Advance Tag Editor? Is there anyway to view "Recently added" files like WMP11 or was that browse function completely removed?
- Предложено в качестве ответаRanumao 17 мая 2009 г. 14:35
- There's a program called Mp3tag which pretty much just offers what you can already do with regular tag editing in WMP (or tag editing with Vista/Win7 Explorer). As far as I can find, there's nothing else out there that'll help with lyrics and translations, except maybe the id3lib programs (if you're up for installing Cygwin) -- even then, you need to know what tags to set and how to set them with id3v2, a command line tool.
Christopher S. 'coldacid' Charabaruk - Create a new Auto-playlist and set "Date added To library is after (7 or 30) days" for recently added files.
I agree. If this isn't put back in, I won't be using WMP anymore that is for sure.
Yeah, It is way too bad, terrible to remove the advanced tag editor out of WMP 12.
I was trying to install WMP 11 to get back the feature and I would not even open WMP. Luckily I did a backup.- If this doesn't make it into the final version of WMP12, I am definitely switching music players (Probably not to iTunes though).
- i kind of miss advancetag editor because of the picture thing but as long as i can drag and drop then i'm good to go, i will try this when i get home.
You can edit the tags in the Library view in the player. Right-click Edit, for example, should work.
Zachd, we know that. What we are all saying here is that this is simply NOT ENOUGH. The Advanced Tag editor is in fact what got me into WMP the first place. I used to be a Winamp user.
I want to be able to do things to my audio and video files, which I can't in the Library view. Unless Microsoft add all the functionality of the Advanced Tag Editor into Windows 7 library, this is a disgrace.
I will be either using something else, or having to rely in some sort of WMP plug-in that hopefully someone as distraught as all of us in this forum, will develop.
Honestly, this is the kind of thing that makes me ask: Excuse me Microsoft, but with all due respect... What were you thinking?- OK. THIS is neat!! But how can we say if this is the album cover, or the back cover, or a band picture, etc?
Honestly, this is the kind of thing that makes me ask: Excuse me Microsoft, but with all due respect... What were you thinking?
Well if these Windows 7 forums have any purpose and Microsoft are really using the feedback then I think the message is crystal clear: people liked WMP11 and you have ruined it.
I can't think of a single change from WMP11 to WMP12 that has been considered an improvement by the users in this forum: from the taskbar to the advanced editor, from the process to add media to the library to the menu layout.
I wish the WMP product manager had the guts to acknowledge this simple reality.
- @pmdci: What specific A.T.E. functionality are you dying for?
You can drag and drop the album covers onto the track in the player.
I believe if you wanted to do back covers / band pictures at this point you'd need to run custom code (a different editor of whatever sort). @pmdci: What specific A.T.E. functionality are you dying for?
You can drag and drop the album covers onto the track in the player.
I believe if you wanted to do back covers / band pictures at this point you'd need to run custom code (a different editor of whatever sort).
Say you drop the wrong picture, how do you "undo" your mistake?
Rather than listing workarounds to a problem that didn't exist in the first place, can you please put the A.T.E. back?- There's never been 'undo' in the library, sorry. If you drop the wrong picture, do it again with the right picture this time. You could drop the wrong art in the advanced tag editor as well, except there you'd more likely have contention/timing issues, which is one of the reasons the excellent *idea* of the advanced tag editor was providing an inferior experience.
I'm here as a friend and don't make those kinds of calls. I'd be interested in what specific advanced tag editor functionality you're interested in, but that's about it. The people on those teams had other things of more general benefit to more users than this, sorry. <3 There's never been 'undo' in the library, sorry. If you drop the wrong picture, do it again with the right picture this time. You could drop the wrong art in the advanced tag editor as well, except there you'd more likely have contention/timing issues, which is one of the reasons the excellent *idea* of the advanced tag editor was providing an inferior experience.
I'm here as a friend and don't make those kinds of calls. I'd be interested in what specific advanced tag editor functionality you're interested in, but that's about it. The people on those teams had other things of more general benefit to more users than this, sorry. <3
There's never been "undo" in the library but with the advanced tag editor you could always remove the picture (or even put more than one). That's one of the specific functionalities we are interested in; someone mentioned putting lyrics in songs. Or dropping a picture in the library for the album and having it copied in each song (which doesn't happen now).
I think you can make the assumption that we are interested in any functionalty that has been removed from WMP12 in comparison with the previous versions (otherwise we would have used other media players in the past rather than WMP11!).
And can you please mention the "other things of more general benefit to more users"??? I haven't found a single benefit of WMP12 compared to WMP11; I hope you don't mean things like streaming your media files over the internet which you must have noticed no-one has even made any comments about trying it out....
Saying that the advanced tag editor was "providing an inferior experience" is incredibly hypocriical when this forum has pointed out in plain words that it's WMP12 that is providing an inferior experience.
- Thanks for the tip. That's what I will be doing if WMP12 is not dramatically improved in the GA version.
I thought Microsoft could really change attitude after the Vista disaster but the beta and RC "openness" is just a gimmick. They are just unable to listen.
I am considering the possibility of scrapping the whole Windows 7 idea and staying with XP for another couple of years.
- Wath!
Other thing than u can do, is to disable Media Player from the Control Panel, and then, install the WMP 11 (The exe from the above link)- Предложено в качестве ответаDale At Work 20 августа 2009 г. 0:47
I'm merely pointing out that it's an excellent idea that you'd want to reimplement, and am making no attempt to be adversarial or undermine your excellent suggestions. My interest is in understanding the specifics of your interest so that I too can act as an advocate for your concerns where beneficial.
If you're not seeing the dropped picture added to each song, that's a bug in the RC - it should be the Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service contention issue I've been referring to. Should be fixed for the RTM version. I believe for now you can (temporarily if needed) stop the sharing service to avoid that contention.
Lyrics in songs in the Advanced Tag Editor worked really poorly in a variety of scenarios. Likewise album art deletion. If those worked great for you, I'm very glad - but that's part of a large set of implementation issues which needed overhaul to make it up the quality bar. Those are indeed valuable and interesting scenarios! - but at the same time there were some fundamental problems in the old implementation.
This time around the focus was on adding new format support, simplifying key normal user tasks, and improving speed and stability. The Advanced Tag Editor was a great power user feature: we'll see what happens in this space in the future. :)- In fairness, there probably should be a delineation between"willing to listen" and "openness" vs "able to set their own priorities and making painful choices". The old Advanced Tag Editor, beautiful as it was, had some serious implementation issues that would have required it to be generally fully rewritten. Getting the things it needed to succeed properly implemented, laying the correct groundwork for it be rewritten as more than a hack, was probably the right call of the most benefit as opposed to keeping it limping along in various ways that were near unfixably broken.
There was definitely a list of things that could be done in the time available and a list of things that could not be done in the time available. Each and every item on the latter list was sad and painful.
And remember: the player isn't meant to be the be all and end all. There's a variety of awesome players out there that have different focuses and add different value. If you're a multimedia fan, it can be fun to play around with them. :) - "I'd be interested in what specific advanced tag editor functionality you're interested in"
ADD LYRICS, so that we don't have to switch to karaoke to sing along. The old Advanced Tag Editor, beautiful as it was, had some serious implementation issues that would have required it to be generally fully rewritten.
Then rewrite it!! Sorry if this seems a little rude but, DUH. Any one who were to read this thread would come to the following conclusion: people like the Advanced Tag Editor and don't like that it has been removed, therefore it should be put back, even if it involves rewriting it.
Can someone explain to me why Microsoft comes up with good ideas and then decides to play with them and only ends up screwing them up even though they claim to have made it "better"?The old Advanced Tag Editor, beautiful as it was, had some serious implementation issues that would have required it to be generally fully rewritten.
lol
So, you cant fix something and you simply put it out?? What a professionalism- I honestly haven't worked with WMP much, so I'm not sure what the advanced tag editor was capable of in 11. I do know that I've been disappointed with the tag editors in Winamp and iTunes, and have depended on seperate programs to edit tags. You might want to take a look at mp3tag:
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ I honestly haven't worked with WMP much, so I'm not sure what the advanced tag editor was capable of in 11.
Well, lets see, you can edit the Title, Genre, Mood, Track Number, Beats per minute, the Key, the Album, the Original Album, Set, Subgenre, Language, the Artist, Lyricist, Album Artist, Original Lyricist, Conductor, Composer, Original Artist, add a link to thier web site, add/remove Lyrics, add/remove Pictures and specify them as Front Cover, Back Cover, etc, and add/remove comments in a variety of languages. Yeah, maybe it wasn't perfect, but in my opinion it was spectacular, far better than the alternatives presented by the other media players.
So Bring It Back!!!There's never been "undo" in the library but with the advanced tag editor you could always remove the picture (or even put more than one).
You needed to, because dropping a new picture always created a second picture entry in addition to the first (it was not a replace operation, it was always an append operation).The old Advanced Tag Editor, beautiful as it was, had some serious implementation issues that would have required it to be generally fully rewritten.
Well, yes, it was as buggy as ____ (and obviously written by a visiting student intern rather than a professional programmer?), it spontaneously deleted as much data as was added at times (track numbers and artists keep vanishing when other tags were modified), and it had tiny little panes too small to allow you to read the data it contained, but some of us were using it extensively.
The concern here, is that the upgrade to Windows 7 forces people to throw away valuable data that took a great deal of time and effort to enter. This should never be.
Someone point me to the required standards to implement this feature as an add-in (tagging standards for various formats plus plug-in how-to's), and I'll write one. The only reason why I haven't started already is that I don't want to waste the time (and money) if you are going to put it back in by the RTM or SP1.- LOL! A bleep function!? That will stop people using terms like "DLL ____" (DLL h-e-l-l)!
When RMBing a file and selecting "Properties" WMP displays its own properties Window - one that doesn't allow editing - and I think this has always been the case. Zachd, is there any chance you can shine some light on why it doesn't use the one from Explorer? Especially in Windows 7 where the tag editor is absent.
- Hmm... I would say that Windows 7 has everything a high end gamer like me would need.
I love windows 7.. and no wmp toolbar is just something different from the previous os versions.. It does have the toolbar when u open the media player..
Adding such a toolbar would add just another startup item. As you know, the more the startup items are, the more your system takes long to restart / reboot and perform slow during the usage.
its better to use the windows media player when needed. Theres no pain at all!
theres no pain to doubleclick the application and get it working.
windows 7 rules.. its the best os ever !!!
MICROSOFT, I request you not to make any changes to the media player toolbar etc. Windows 7 is great!.. no changes required..
-------------------------╬---------------------- - Agreed, Atlantisbase. I can't imagine what would have made MS decide this was worthy of removal. If it's not there I can't see any compelling reason not to switch to another player. That was the killer app for me.
- +1. The removal of the Advanced Tag Editor from WMP12 is a disappointment. Now there's no built-in way I can find at all for adding lyrics to a wma/mp3. I didn't know that the Tag Editor was buggy???!!! It always worked fine for me. I hope they put it back.
- Предложено в качестве ответаctrlmd 22 июля 2009 г. 0:51
- This is sad i was trying to post a question about advanced tag editor but i found this question posted before
i really really hoping they will return this feature to windows media player 12 because it was more than great there should be an enhancement for these kind of features
not a removal for it
i hope my voice reach somewhere please return it back :( - I join to the above proposals. Please, return the Advanced Tag Editor!
Does this forum have "polls", if it does, I propose we start one to see just how many people want the Advanced Tag Editor back; like a petiton only with out signatures. This is a democratic society itsn't it?
- No use. The release candidate was already at the stage called 'feature complete'. If the editor comes back, it will be in Win 8. Find a third party alternative. Complaining here would not help.Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
No use. The release candidate was already at the stage called 'feature complete'. If the editor comes back, it will be in Win 8. Find a third party alternative. Complaining here would not help.
Why wait for Windows 8? We will have a SP1 :-)- "No New Features In Service Packs"Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
"No New Features In Service Packs"
Hmm..., funny, I seem to recall a certain firewall system which was overhauled in a service pack to the point that it was essentially a new feature. And, I'm sure we could come up with a list of new features that have been added to XP through service packs. But no, Microsoft only releases service packs to fix its screw ups, adding features is UNHEARD OF, heaven forbid that our users should get some new feature without PAYING FOR IT. So what if the Windows 7 release has to wait a few more months so that a highly desired feature gets added back, I think that we can all wait. Let us also not forget that Vista had so many of its problems because Microsoft got jumpy committed itself to releasing it before it was really ready. Our saving grace may be that, like IE, WMP can be updated separately; can you say WMP 13.
I have to admit, in some ways it almost feels like Microsoft is becoming a bit like Mac. By this I mean that I always sort of got the feeling that Macs gave you less control over your PC; it always felt like too much was being done for you and that you were limited in what you could alter; mind you I don't know if this is true, it's just the feeling I get. It feels like in a way Windows is becoming like Mac, worrying more about the looks and less about the guts, limiting your control. Of course they will claim that they are just answering the demands of the masses, which, unfortunately, don't care about the guts of their PC, they just want it to work and be nice to look at. Microsoft should go back to worrying less about how flashy or bubbly (yes I also get the impression that Windows is getting bubbly in its looks and I can't say that I like that entirely either) Windows is and more about how much control the user has. If people want their PC experience simplified they can go to Macs. Windows users stay with it for one of two reasons: either they have to because 90% of software is for Windows, or they, like me, believe that despite its buggy nature, Windows is still the more powerful and capable OS.
The bottom line here, Microsoft, is that you should not give in to the ignorant, lazy masses who only want their computing experience to be "easier" or "simpler". Do NOT get rid of the plethora of sophisticated, useful, and excellent features that gave Windows its success. You claim to want to listen to your users, well then listen; listen not just to the common user, but listen to the experienced user, the advanced user; listen to the users who know what is good; listen to the shout from this thread alone: it screams, "ADD BACK THE ADVANCED TAG EDITOR". Listen, and answer us as we wish you would, for as long as you refuse to answer us, we will continue to scream, no matter how many road blocks you throw up. No matter how hopeless it seems.No use. The release candidate was already at the stage called 'feature complete'. If the editor comes back, it will be in Win 8. Find a third party alternative. Complaining here would not help.
Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
WMP is a standalone product and may be updated without upgrading the OS. Anyway, how about writing an ATE plugin for wmp12? :)Wath!
Other thing than u can do, is to disable Media Player from the Control Panel, and then, install the WMP 11 (The exe from the above link)
Yah please bring it back i hear you on the drag and drop but untill you can show us how to do the other things this fine picture of a editor will do then we will feel way less of WMP12 . You must understand most of us feel the our music files are our prized files and if we have a pet name for the song or even just want to add the beat or the key it's played in that is something we expect from WMP . heck maybe even we thought maybe it would have been improved but never did any of us dreamed it would be taken away .
Well Microsoft you want our input well we are trying to help you make Windows 7 even better .. I have a question since i found a bit of a bug in WMP 12 and here is why the Editor rocks alot of my music files have showed up as 0 bit and right now i have no way to add any info to the file . BUT if i had Advanced Editor i could at least go into my music and see the file was 2.8 MB and under subtitle put 2.8 MB that way i would have some kind of clue how big the file really is .- Sam,
You don't want to use Windows Media Player to manage album art. In fact, as of WMP 12, you don't want to use Media Player for much of anything as far as I can tell. It appears as though the Windows Media Player product team has succeeded in closing all loopholes to using your own custom album art. Any custom art you apply will be, as far as I have been able to determine as of yet, be either destroyed or ignored in WMP 12.
http://dalepreston.com/Blog/2009/08/laughable-album-art-craziness-in.html
If custom album art is important to you, it's time to start looking at alternative players.
HTH,
Dale - Nice quote from WMP help. Thanks.
- pmdci,
Here's a tool I wrote that you can use to embed your album art with standard options into MP3 files - hopefully you're using MP3 and not WMA.
http://dalepreston.com/Blog/2009/07/id3-album-art-fixer.html
Unfortunately, though, WMP 12 appears not to use embedded album art in its Album Art visualization the way all versions previous to WMP 12 have done. I'm still working on a way to get around this but, since the WMP team seems to have as a goal eliminating any option for you to use custom album art, I am not sure if I will be successful this time.
Dale - I had these same thoughts when WMP 10 was released and again when WMP 11 was released. The only thing I have seen come from my efforts to overcome the problems with each succeeding version of WMP was for the WMP team to identify and close more "loopholes".
It's just my opinion but I think that the WMP team doesn't see you, as a purchaser of Windows, as their customer. I think that they view content providers as their customer and it appears to me that their motivation in adding, removing, or changing features in WMP is to restrict your ability to have full access to high quality content - even if that content is of your own making - in order to protect the intellectual property interests of those whom Microsoft views as their partners.
Dale - Advanced tag editor has been around for a long time. It's never, as far as I have seen, been a big point of contention in regards to its functionality or reliability. It is mature code and didn't need rewritten to be included in WMP 12. That's not to say it wouldn't benefit from a rewrite; most code would benefit from applying all the lessons learned during the initial writing but few development projects get that luxury.
There are no timing issues as zach seems to imply. Where there might be perceived timing issues would be in the way WMP caches changes in the database and saves the write to files for when it is accessing the files anyway. This is a little confusing sometimes but it is definitely not a a timing issue in Advanced Tag Editor.
Editing in the lists in WMP 12 is a very unsatisfactory experience.
http://dalepreston.com/Blog/2009/08/what-happened-to-advanced-tag-editor.html
I guess I just missed the consumer outcry where Microsoft's customers demanded the removal of Advanced Tag Editor.
Dlae - I long hoped, begged, screamed, shouted, and everything else I could think of to get the WMP team to fix WMP 11. I predicted that the public outcry would result in WMP 11.5 to fix the things they had removed or crippled from WMP 10 or that there would be a WMP 12 that fixed it. Well, there never was a WMP 11 point anything and WMP 12 wasn't created in response to public outcry but was, instead, created to further whatever Microsoft's own goals are. In fact, WMP 12 only served to close the loopholes that the WMP 11 team missed when it was trying to close loopholes in WMP 10.
I don't know what the goals of the WMP team are. I don't know the numbers of how many millions of Windows users in the world actually think the changes in WMP 12 are great. But one thing I think is clear is that whatever goals the WMP team has, it didn't align with those of us who have posted in this thread. Oh well. It could just be that we're really, really in the minority of Windows or WMP users.
*whispering* sort of like FireFox being such a minority of browser users that Microsoft doesn't have to worry about that either.
http://www.signtific.org/en/node/52945
Dale - Paul,
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bb190309.aspx
http://www.id3.org
It's not a trivial task; be prepared for a lot of work and a lot of trial and error.
Regards,
Dale - This is ridiculous!!! Why Why WHY does Microsoft always have to ruin a good thing AND then proceed to ignore their source of INCOME when it is more than clear that they are disappointed. If Microsoft claims to be interested in listening to their users and improving the quality of Windows, then I say they are a bunch of lying B******S from H**L; they only thing they have "improved" is the surface (or so it would seem).
Yes, fine, maybe the whole thing wasn't perfect, I'll admit I had more than one occasion when WMP's info storage system went on the fritz. BUT, that is no reason for making WMP commit seppuku (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku). When will these morons learn that every time they go and make drastic, stupid, unnecessary changes to things, which don't improve squat, that they only enrage and alienate their users, especially after the Vista fiasco.
I have always been a die hard Windows user and I am now greatly disappointed with Microsoft, which deserves a good spanking right about now. Please, just for once, will you stop worrying about how flashy it is and try to actually program something USEFUL again (*cough* WMP tag editor *cough*, *cough* IE spell checker *cough*). Unfortunately, it would seem that power is inversely related to appearance. "No New Features In Service Packs"
Like Atlantisbase said. Back in the NT4 days, what you said was the policy at Microsoft. Not so now for a long long time. Not only are there new features in service packs, they remove existing features via service packs!
Rating posts helps other usersMark L. Ferguson MS-MVPWMP is a standalone product and may be updated without upgrading the OS. Anyway, how about writing an ATE plugin for wmp12? :)
WMP is a feature of Windows. Your only legitimate expectation to support for WMP is based on your expectation of support for Windows.Oh!, but didn't you know Dave, removing features is all in the interests of making Windows a safer, more pleasant tool for the ignorant masses. Safer and more pleasant my a**; instead of calling them Service Packs they should be called "Feature Sealing Screwup Patches".
Microsoft is turning into a bunch of control-freak hypocrites who wouldn't know functionality if it strip teased for them. I don't care if Microsoft/Windows has a monopolic iron grip on the computer industry. Just don't turn into a bunch of totalitarian Feature Nazis just because you CAN.
This is just as bad as health care reform. (Haha. In 50 years someone will find this burried on some ancient server and have no idea what that is about or why it applies.)- What the h ell, I just moved from Vista to Windows 7
and the WMP Tag Editor is gone? WHY??
Dumbest decision ever! Shame on the one who is
responsible for that! - Why you ask. It's because the people currently developing WMP are a bunch of small- and close-minded twerps who like to tear things out rather than improve and fix the problems they create. Their pedantic, up-tight attitude is going to only force people away. I am most disappointed in Microsoft, which appears to be increasingly attracted to money and less attracted to the satisfaction of their users. It think it is stupid, pathetic, and unbecoming. IF I ever move to Windows 7, I am definitely downgrading WMP to version 11. The WMP team is currently in the dog house, no even worse, the pound, and hear you me, it is going to take a lot, and I do mean A LOT, before they are let out in my book.
For now, either down grade or use iTunes or some 3rd party editor (I say use iTunes; it becomes a symbolic slap in the face: "If I can use Microsoft I'll go to Mac. Hrumph") - hey men i agree with you, wm12 turns down with this release, the tag editor is a basic function in a decent media player. in my case i use the tag editor to put the cover art by selecting cover front and by this way i can see the cover in my nokia e71 otherwise not.
i hope that the tag editor comes back in an update.
for now i can use itunes...
Luis Why you ask. It's because the people currently developing WMP are a bunch of small- and close-minded twerps who like to tear things out rather than improve and fix the problems they create. Their pedantic, up-tight attitude is going to only force people away. I am most disappointed in Microsoft, which appears to be increasingly attracted to money and less attracted to the satisfaction of their users. It think it is stupid, pathetic, and unbecoming. IF I ever move to Windows 7, I am definitely downgrading WMP to version 11. The WMP team is currently in the dog house, no even worse, the pound, and hear you me, it is going to take a lot, and I do mean A LOT, before they are let out in my book.
I wouldn't go so far as to say bad things about those developing WMP. Developers in a large organization such as Microsoft don't get to decide what to develop; they simply follow orders. The problem here is not the developer team, they're probably as unhappy with some aspects of the product as we are. The problem is the product team. The product team would be headed by marketing and business folks, not by technical and development folks.
For now, either down grade or use iTunes or some 3rd party editor (I say use iTunes; it becomes a symbolic slap in the face: "If I can use Microsoft I'll go to Mac. Hrumph")
Luis_diaz2, just use my album art fixer program at http://dalepreston.com/Blog/2009/07/id3-album-art-fixer.html for embedding your art into MP3 files. If you're using WMA, this won't work. My suggestion then is to quit using WMA, switch everything to MP3, and then use my tool.
Dale
- Forgive me, the product team is then as afore described, in my opinion. Maybe then those marketing and business stiffs should have a gander at this forum, because it would certainly seem like they haven't. Of course maybe those lowely, victomized developers should stand up and say, "Hey, why are we being forced to kill a good thing?" Blindly following orders is how things get to be in a sorry state; just my opinion.
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- WinAmp still has that silly pretend-to-be-home-stereo button look. I just don't get it when a media player tries to simulate being my home stereo or, even worse, those that try to look like my car stereo. I have a PC. It has a great big monitor. That monitor supports about 17 million colors. Why can't any media player get this stuff right?
This is a good example of the real problem. Because Windows Media Player is included with Windows, virtually every PC user in the world has a media player already. There's just no financial incentive for anyone to create a truly robust alternative. WinAmp users are no more of a threat to Microsoft's market share than are Linux users.
In fact, Windows Media Player comes closer to being a good player than any other product on the market. It is just soooooo close to being great but then falls completely flat in the areas such as album art and doing things like dropping ATE. This is why I am so passionate about the problems with WMP. I am a big fan of Microsoft products. I've used them since Microsoft basic in 1978 on S100 computers. I got really excited about MCE and, it too, came so close to being great yet fell short in such big ways. I'm passionate about WMP because I want to use WMP.
I'm not passionate, for example, about the problems in IE (though I was a big fan of IE when it first came out and wrote web apps for IE since IE 1.0); I've just moved on to FireFox.
We're a lot closer to a great player with WMP than we will ever be with WinAmp; I just wish the WMP team would listen more. If they don't, perhaps WMP12 will be the version that finally pushes a FireFox class media player (as in a media player of high quality that finally begins to have serious impact on Microsoft's market share). Personally, I think that IE is a lost cause (see FireFox), any search from Microsoft is a lost cause (see Google), but there just really isn't yet a better alternative for media - or hasn't been previous to WMP 12.
- Great post. It really matches my feelings perfectly. I suppose Microsoft's problem is that it used to attract talented people. Now the talented people want to work for other companies therefore Microsoft is left with "second division" product ideas and poor product management.
As you say in a way such a poor WMP12 could revive the media player market which is good for us; not so from a Microsoft perspective; IE dropped the ball years ago, WMP is in the process of doing it.... what's next? Office (already threatened by online alternatives) and eventually the OS itself... - I'm not a big fan of Winamp either, it's ugly and the interface is confusing... You can surely get a nice theme for it but still I think that WMP interface is much better. Even when it comes to Zune I still prefer WMP over that... but microsoft is not giving us any other choice! Look at the screen shot I've attached, aren't those the features that people here were asking for?
- I'm kind of pining for the days when Microsoft would just buy another company with useful software rather than trying to develop on its own.
Maybe they should go after TagScanner. I've been using this program instead of WMP11's ATE. It's a superior product and much easier to use. Especially the latest revision.
http://download.cnet.com/TagScanner/3000-2141_4-10056506.html
It supports all tags and formats as well as lyrics and album art and will imbed to the mp3 rather than store in a separate db. It will also allow you to choose the source for updating data like freedb, discogs, etc. (and you can export lists to html or excel)
There were a number of functionalities that were dropped from WMP10 that were never recovered in WMP11. As well as some outside developed tools like exporting the library to excel wee no longer supported. When you have over 20,000 tracks in your library that's a huge necessity. Yet I still found WMP11 easier to use and more friendly than iTunes.
So I guess I'm going to to wait on the WMP12 to see what will be coming later. Also I understand that the player is also not supporting the latest MP3 tag standard either.
The problem that the decision makers seem to have is that they think consumers are more worried about form over funtionality. Who really cares about skins and all that flashy garbage if the product itself doesn't work for [insert expletive here].
As usual I'll stick to my mantra, "Never install an MS product in the first year of release". - On the open source side, there is kid3 for tag editing. I tend to use opensource before free/shareware.
I haven't used 7 for a while, never noticed the ate got removed. - Buying other companies is how Microsoft got Media Player in the first place. The problems come from what Microsoft has done with it since then.
I am wholly and speaking for myself only. In no capacity could anything I say be fairly or accurately related as being any part of any opinion on the part of anyone or any entity other than myself. I am extremely interested in active and interesting conversations with fellow users where we discuss the flaws and possibilities of software, and think about what specifically could be done to achieve betterness. Please don't poison the process by making me having to filter my words carefully. Few people know what I do: I used to be a junior member of the player team waaaaaaaay back in the day, but have had a minimum of involvement since that point. Again, I speak for myself only. Evidently I can't stress this enough. I love to listen to you and your input: please don't poison the communication process. Imagine that well tailored feedback might make it to the right people: it behooves you to speak for yourself with your own words as much as possible. People know how I feel: it's much more interesting to hear the specifics of how you the user feel. =)
There was a question raised as to the functionality of the Advanced Tag Editor: it was indeed broken in many fashions that have previously been commented upon online - progress over time left it using an older architecture - , and would have had to be nearly completely reimplemented. I believe some people here have understood this, and others don't. No worries. One of the points with Windows 7 was to get rid of code that "kinda sorta" worked and ensure that it either Worked(TM) or that ... it wasn't there. You see what happened here. =\
There was a question as regards the reimplementation of the Advanced Tag Editor: it seems evident at this point that other Windows 7 features were priorities to get right, especially given that there's a great third party tag management solutions available.
So let's skip back to the most interesting issues on hand:
What <b>specifically</b> about the Advanced Tag Editor do you miss?
So far I've heard people mention lyrics editing, slightly better(?) album art editing, and editing Album Artist more 'cleanly'.- Integration with WMP. There might be alternative tag editors but it's much more convenient when playing something in WMP and spotting a tag that you want to add or change that you can do this on the spot rather than stopping playback, closing WMP to allow access to the file, launching another program, editing and finally re-opening WMP to resume playback.
Ok, here are the fields I would like to be able to edit in the ATE and in turn be able to have the included in WMP12 as functionality. Again this is coming from my perspective as someone with a large amount of music files who also suffers from short term memory loss, so having a good database is essential in being able to recall music at the appropriate time.
Track#, Disc#, TrackTitle, SubTitle, Track Artist, Album, Album Artist, Year, Genre, Grouping or SubGenre, Composer, Original Artist, Remixed by, Conductor,
Track Rating should be numeric and incorporated as part of the tags.Comment (should be active to the player which ticked me off about WMP11, Windows displays comments but the player didn't and weren't searchable even though other players like Realtek or iTunes could. Comment can be used for listing similar artists or similar tracks to give the player that Pandora-like capability. I use a mixing program that gives me this capability for quickly throwing together playlists based on comments, BPM, Genre and Sub Genre )
BPM (this one is big especially when putting together play lists for jukebox functionality and want to keep similarly tempo'd tracks together) Publisher (label), Copyright, URL and Encoded by are also useful.
Album art should be embedded to the file (no saving as a separate file database).Lyrics (functionality should be searchable too. Sometimes you can't remember or in my case quickly recall a title or even artist but being able to search by a phrase is a huge help)
All of the above mentioned items can be tagged. There is still the ability for additional custom tags that could be incorporated as well like mood.
Okay that fulfills my whining quotient for the day.
As UtenteAnonimo stated, integration with WMP is a key issue. Also, it's not just the editing Album Artist more 'cleanly'. It is the non-standard or unclear connection between fields in WMP and specific ID3 frames. The issue is that tagged MP3 files are used in more than WMP. They're usually used in multiple cars, portable CD players, home stereos, MP3 players, and even in other Windows based media players. In order to get the expected results from an ID3 tag in each of those players, users need to understand how to set certain fields when editing a tag. I suppose that's why it is called "advanced" tag editor.I am wholly and speaking for myself only. In no capacity could anything I say be fairly or accurately related as being any part of any opinion on the part of anyone or any entity other than myself. I am extremely interested in active and interesting conversations with fellow users where we discuss the flaws and possibilities of software, and think about what specifically could be done to achieve betterness. Please don't poison the process by making me having to filter my words carefully. Few people know what I do: I used to be a junior member of the player team waaaaaaaay back in the day, but have had a minimum of involvement since that point. Again, I speak for myself only. Evidently I can't stress this enough. I love to listen to you and your input: please don't poison the communication process. Imagine that well tailored feedback might make it to the right people: it behooves you to speak for yourself with your own words as much as possible. People know how I feel: it's much more interesting to hear the specifics of how you the user feel. =)
There was a question raised as to the functionality of the Advanced Tag Editor: it was indeed broken in many fashions that have previously been commented upon online - progress over time left it using an older architecture - , and would have had to be nearly completely reimplemented. I believe some people here have understood this, and others don't. No worries. One of the points with Windows 7 was to get rid of code that "kinda sorta" worked and ensure that it either Worked(TM) or that ... it wasn't there. You see what happened here. =\
There was a question as regards the reimplementation of the Advanced Tag Editor: it seems evident at this point that other Windows 7 features were priorities to get right, especially given that there's a great third party tag management solutions available.
So let's skip back to the most interesting issues on hand:
What <b>specifically</b> about the Advanced Tag Editor do you miss?
So far I've heard people mention lyrics editing, slightly better(?) album art editing, and editing Album Artist more 'cleanly'.
I understand if the WMP team dropped the editor because it was incompatible with framework changes in WMP12 - though I think that makes WMP12 an incomplete product - but it is not because the tag editor was broken. It seems more like it was a decision based on budget, time, or other resource priorities that prevented the rewrite. Hopefully, they'll see that it was used more than they perhaps thought and will put it back.
I see quite a few changes in Windows 7 that restore or replace removed or broken functionality in Vista - functionality that had existed before Vista. In other words, the Windows product team conceded that mistakes were made in some decisions about the Vista UI. And I've been a big Vista fan from the beginning so this isn't a complaint; it's simply pointing out that mistakes can be made. And Microsoft has listened in Windows 7. I hope the WMP team will do the same.
- Microsoft is totally brain-dead on this one. The goal with any software development project is to add more features, not remove them. It's obvious that Microsoft wants the majority of users using WMP, however this move goes against the prospect of that ever happening.
On the bigger scale, your making the regular everday user want to switch to Linux with your pricing strategy and other annoyances like WGA, which only affects paying users, not the intended pirates who with 7Loader, can crack Windows in under two minutes. Microsoft seriously needs to look again at what their true goal is in this market because their direction is confusing at times and contradicts logic. A quick solution to this problem could be through Windows Update and a 12.5 update of sorts adding back the Tag Editor. Unfortunately, this is where it's headed, unless Microsoft wants to destroy WMP and get users over to other players. If this is the case, let us know so we can abandon WMP quickly so you can phase it out of existance.
Christopher Tenzycki,
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MCP, A+, Network+ - The goal with any software development project is to add more features, not remove them.
That's called Feature Creep. Simplicity is an overlooked factor in software design: removing features, especially broken features that are not fully functional, is an important element in that. You may have a different opinion on software design, but it seems historically evident that the player team got feedback that the player was overwhelming to new users and took steps, bad or good, to make things simpler. They may have completely failed for you, but: removing (broken) features isn't unprecedented.
If you're going to do something, do it right.
It's obvious that Microsoft wants the majority of users using WMP
I would step back from that and suggest that "Microsoft wants the majority of users to have their content to play smoothly and cleanly without hassle." That seems a better reflection of the changes in multimedia in Windows 7 in my eyes. A lot more content Just Works. :)
What specific aspects of the Tag Editor are you missing? That's probably more interesting than adding back in a broken tool.
From Dale: ... it is not because the tag editor was broken ...
This would come as a surprise to me. :) Have you looked into lyrics editing with ATE? That's simply the most evident problem of something that would have to be nearly completely rearchitected to be Great. Hence why it's of more interest to know What Specifically people liked as opposed to simply "bring back ATE". In theory you could resurrect the UI with new guts, but -- is that the be-all end-all UI? What specifically is of interest to only accomplish via ATE?
It's not any great secret that the Advanced Tag Editor had some serious flaws. I'm happy if people got by without ever noticing those, but -- go play with lyrics at some point or read up on some of the issues people had in this area. :) The goal with any software development project is to add more features, not remove them.
Well isn't that the inherent problem with all MS rollouts? And not to fingerpoint strictly at MS, but all software?
That's called Feature Creep. Simplicity is an overlooked factor in software design: removing features, especially broken features that are not fully functional, is an important element in that. You may have a different opinion on software design, but it seems historically evident that the player team got feedback that the player was overwhelming to new users and took steps, bad or good, to make things simpler. They may have completely failed for you, but: removing (broken) features isn't unprecedented.
If you're going to do something, do it right.
It's obvious that Microsoft wants the majority of users using WMP
I would step back from that and suggest that "Microsoft wants the majority of users to have their content to play smoothly and cleanly without hassle." That seems a better reflection of the changes in multimedia in Windows 7 in my eyes. A lot more content Just Works. :)
What specific aspects of the Tag Editor are you missing? That's probably more interesting than adding back in a broken tool.
From Dale: ... it is not because the tag editor was broken ...
This would come as a surprise to me. :) Have you looked into lyrics editing with ATE? That's simply the most evident problem of something that would have to be nearly completely rearchitected to be Great. Hence why it's of more interest to know What Specifically people liked as opposed to simply "bring back ATE". In theory you could resurrect the UI with new guts, but -- is that the be-all end-all UI? What specifically is of interest to only accomplish via ATE?
It's not any great secret that the Advanced Tag Editor had some serious flaws. I'm happy if people got by without ever noticing those, but -- go play with lyrics at some point or read up on some of the issues people had in this area. :)
No single application fits all users needs. At least not at the default display level. After all isn't that why it's called the Advanced Tag Editor?
The default is the basic application for the average schmoe. (The non-adventureous non-techno-geek.)
For the rest there is a toolbar option called advanced. And it should work. Otherwise you have have a product that is only sufficient for mouth breathers.
But enough about the philosophy of marketing and software...- I completely agree this was an idiotic move to eliminate the Advanced File Editor in WMP12. My personal favorite version was 10 which had a great left hand side navigation / file list which looked a lot like Windows Explorer in XP.
I am sure there were people on the Media Player Team who fought to ensure their product didn't become WORSE and cheers to them. Unfortunatly to the project managers who let this go through - you made a crappier product and regressed innovation.
It is fine to have a cleaner simpler product out of the box... but then let users go into an options menu and select the advanced features which they want.
If someone offered me the ability to get WMPlayer 10 in 64bit for Win7 I would gladdly take it up.
It's obvious that Microsoft wants the majority of users using WMP
Now that is a good goal. If that is Microsoft's goal and if they accomplished that in WMP 12, then good for them.
I would step back from that and suggest that "Microsoft wants the majority of users to have their content to play smoothly and cleanly without hassle." That seems a better reflection of the changes in multimedia in Windows 7 in my eyes. A lot more content Just Works. :)
DaleWhat specifically is of interest to only accomplish via ATE?
well i would love for the "set" filed to be available in the interface and be a feature that is part of the default sort, since most other tag editors use this as "disc number". also, since now there is no ATE, how would you maintian this field while waiting for WMP to add the other additional functionality to be able to sort on this field.- Измененоkoawmfot 13 октября 2009 г. 16:48typo
What specifically is of interest to only accomplish via ATE?
well i would love for the "set" filed to be available in the interface and be a feature that is part of the default sort, since most other tag editors use this as "disc number". also, since now there is no ATE, how would you maintian this field while waiting for WMP to add the other additional functionality to be able to sort on this field.
The problem with the interesting "Set" field is that it collides with sort-by-folder and general disc storage. It would be easy enough within WMP as a potentially-set-savvy application, but then it breaks down in non-set-aware mediums, from the file system to other apps to non-set-aware devices. Like ID3v2.4, it's quite interesting, but the backwards compatibility hiccups really make it a non-ideal experience as far as it's currently perceived.
But yeah, Set, BPM, and the whole lyrics realm are more towards my own short list. But Set sadly probably doesn't have a large amount of value. =\The goal with any software development project is to add more features, not remove them.
This is severely becoming a thing-of the-day for MS and its products, even those specifically intended for the advanced users (such as dev tools).
That's called Feature Creep. Simplicity is an overlooked factor in software design: removing features, especially broken features that are not fully functional, is an important element in that. You may have a different opinion on software design, but it seems historically evident that the player team got feedback that the player was overwhelming to new users and took steps, bad or good, to make things simpler. They may have completely failed for you, but: removing (broken) features isn't unprecedented.
If you're going to do something, do it right.
First off, ATE is not a feature creep, maybe at a time it was but now it is the feature that was already there and in use, so if you're gonna spin it do it properly, the way its spelled now looks like a lame excuse ranking with "the dog ate my homework". Comprehensive maintenance of the meta data is an important factor for a lot of people (and there is no such thing as too much metadata) and while shortage of manpower/time/money to make it properly vs the % of users using it is understandable, spinning it lamely is not.
Secondly, dumbing down the software to cater for the lowest common denominator is and should be done two stage, such approach is not uncommon in software design either and is also historically evident as a successful resolution to the same problem; it is being used by a wide variety of products from WinZip to GPS navigation (yes, I am talking about basic/advanced feature set selection on startup). MS product managers should start writing down tips from them because I am not seeing it in any product.
And you are right, simplicity is definitely an overlooked factor, but making simplicity a mandatory all-across dogma pisses of people by dis-empowering them, some will be pissed for WMP, others are already pissed for Office, etc, etc, in general you have a huge user base which is pissed off about at least one thing.
What MS has caused now is for tech-savvy advanced WMP users to abandon the new product (I myself just downgraded WMP to 11 and am postponing my interest in Zune HD until I figure out exactly how this is related and will I be able to effectively use Zone with WMP11) and miss out on new features and caused a bad word of mouth emanating from the mouths of tach-savvy users who are generally being listened to in their surrounding. That is a bad viral mojo, and I should not be the one having to tell you that, and I am quite certain that damage taken outweighs a development cost involved in making products functionally backward compatible.
To answer your question on "which ATE fields you miss" I can answer only with "I miss them all in addition to other tags you should have added".- I think you can add the new Windows Explorer to the list of simplification projects gone wrong.
- Add me to the list of those who think that WMP12 is one step forward ("Play To") and two steps back (removal of any decent tag editing function). I use Media Monkey to do all my tag editing, and manage my Podcast subscriptions. Why is it that we're at WMP12, and WMP still hasn't a clue about Podcasts?
- Предложено в качестве ответаSilviaC 4 января 2010 г. 23:01
- You can add me too to the list of disapointed users.
I use MP3tag to get the job done and then add to the library.
Then without having to go through 100s/1000s of albums to find the ones I have just added I goto Recently Added and check that everything came across tagged correctly. Then I listen and rate.
Not any more I don't. YOU TOOK THE FEATURE AWAY.
You may have well just removed Windows Media player completely, because if you dont put it back in then I will be forced to use the instructions to load on WMP11. I bought Windows 7 because it is suppose to be better and simpler. Simpler doesnt mean taking things away it just means presenting the experience in a more user friendly way and allowing power users to get the advanced features they want via options and preferences menus.
Here is the message "I don't want to use third party products on my computer system". There are less accidents when everyone drives with the same set of rules. Third party products are just not going to intergrate and be as flexible as something that is inbuilt and works within the system itself. - You could create an auto playlist that mimics Recently Added. In the Media Library, click the little arrow next to Create playlist, and select Create auto playlist. Enter a name for the playlist and add the condition "Date Added" under "Music in my library". You can then further customize the condition to something like "Date added is after last 30 days" or "Date added is after yesterday".
Tim De Baets
http://www.bm-productions.tk - You can also use the Rated view's Unrated playlist. That way you're not limited to rating by time/recentness.
- hello every body
i found 2 bad things about this issue
first: ignoring A.T.E in version 12 of WMP
second: answers of Microsoft's special members, they say just what is in the help of WMP:
"Advanced Tag Editor isn't included in this version of Windows Media Player. But by editing media information in the details pane of the Player Library, you can still do most of the tasks you performed with Advanced Tag Editor."
I've not found any special thing in V12, and i think it's a good idea to down grade to version 11, it's almost complete versus version 12,
I'm dizzy and dunno why Microsoft doesn't have any answer for this inconveniencing !?!!!?
regards - no wonder Wmp is acting buggy
I kept trying to figure out why it kept lumping my tracks together like they were in album and why I couldn't tell it it wasn't. So let's skip back to the most interesting issues on hand:
What <b>specifically</b> about the Advanced Tag Editor do you miss?
So far I've heard people mention lyrics editing, slightly better(?) album art editing, and editing Album Artist more 'cleanly'.
I miss very much the ability to edit many files at once. I can edit one tag at the time in library view now, but with the ATE I could edit all the tags at once for the whole album.
I have 75'000 mp3 files, and wmp has been great to keep track of them. Change is not an option, as I have yet to find any player that match wmp's library. I have mostly classical music, and it has been well suited for this.
Tore F Steenslid- You can edit the tags of multiple songs at once in the library too: select all the songs, right-click the field that you want to edit (doesn't matter on what song), click Edit, and enter the new value. All the selected songs will get the entered value for the field you edited.
Regards
Tim De Baets
http://www.bm-productions.tk So let's skip back to the most interesting issues on hand:
What specifically about the Advanced Tag Editor do you miss?
So far I've heard people mention lyrics editing, slightly better(?) album art editing, and editing Album Artist more 'cleanly'.
I want to be able to step through my library, one track at a time from within the ATE, much like iTunes. If there is one fault I find in the current ATE, it's that I have to close it, select the next track, and reopen it to change or verify certain fields. When you use a touch pad, this becomes a h**l of a lot of clicking and moving; an awful lot of back and forth too. I want to just click a button in the ATE and move to the next track.
Also it would be nice if we could specify custom tags. I don't know if ID3 or what ever other tag system we're dealing with supports custom tags, but it would be nice to have since sometimes the provided fields aren't quite appropriate for what we want to enter as the tag data.- I too am skeptical of the supposed burden of keeping this feature unchanged in WMP12. There are tons of half-arsed features in Microsoft software that are more broken and less useful than ATE and nevertheless get carried along as baggage for years.
My recommendation for a replacement tag editor is ID3-TagIT:
http://download.cnet.com/ID3-TagIT/3000-2169_4-10544467.html- Измененоblogfeld 6 ноября 2009 г. 1:59Clickable link
- When all is said and done, providing a way to add a picture to a file but not having a way to remove it breaks the rule number 1 of any user interface. It's something with no "undo". Microsoft should just not publish software that breaks this fundamental rule.
If, on top of that, you add the fact that the operation has the potential to corrupt files (see my other thread "Adding album art corrupts IDv3 tags" ) you see why the lack of "undo" is a complete disaster!
The ATE, with all its limitations and bugs, at least had this basic rule implemented.
- You can use my album art fixer at http://dalepreston.com/Blog/2009/07/id3-album-art-fixer.html to remove or add album art in a fashion much more logical than anything WMP ever did.
- I still use the online taging service that WMP12 has. It works fine if you clean slate the track ur working on.
I hate WMP12; I have found that WMP12 doesn’t write the cover album art to the MP3 File it only writes a link to the picture (thumbnail) My MP3 player a SONY Walkman requires that the MP3 File has the picture embedded in the file not a thumbnail!!!!
If you drag and drop the art onto the track or album in the player, that'll force it to embed the art into the track.
I use an alternate method, first select de picture with right click select copy, then in WMP12 select the album an right click select paste album art, and WMP12 only write the thumbnail!!!
- I think it was an immensely bad move of Microsoft to take the Advanced Tag Editor out of WMP 12. I haven't really heard anyone mention it yet, but in WMP 11, the ATE allows you to select multiple songs and edit ALL of their tags at once. That's the feature that was most useful to me. I mostly use it to erase data on files I don't want to be kept (like track numbers and album names), to make sure all songs from a particular artist actually had matching artist names (as in removing extra spaces, matching capitalization, and so on), and to group all the songs by artists I only had singles for in one group. Basically, it's vital to the way I manage my mp3s, so vital in fact, that I did a forced install of WMP 11 over WMP 12 when I discovered the ATE was missing. I won't be getting any updates for WMP 11 on Windows 7, but it's stable enough as it is for me to not care about that. I also won't have to bother with any third-party tag editing programs. (None of them are worth looking into anyway when they are not integrated into the player.) As for the ATE being "broken" I'll have to take your word on that. It has always worked perfectly for me.
- ericwdhs,
You can still do that in Win7. In WMP 12, click Open File Location to open an Explorer window. Select multiple music files. The right-click on them and select Properties. Select Details tab from Properties window. Any changes you then make to the mp3 tags will be applied to all the files you selected. - TR2009,
I prefer my current solution as it's integrated into the player and has features that would still be unavailable to me otherwise. Thanks for the suggestion though. - Believe me, I would MUCH rather have the ATE integrated with WMP as it was in WMP 11. See this thread:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itpromedia/thread/85c5d9fc-8ebc-4db5-95d6-a4700b44bc6e - @eric: You can multiselect within the player directly and edit the applicable tag against all selected tracks. That admittedly isn't as seamless, though.
- Selecting multiple files in WMP and edit only edits the track name. Yet in WMP11 and it's "broken ATE" selecting multiple files and editing them as a group.
Oh the auto playlist making in WMP12 is great unless you are trying to make a playlist then it takes longer to preview tracks via hovering then dragging over since clicking on a file crates a new auto playlist.
Adding an album to the database of WMP that is in the music Libraries folder Which where just added to the computer take closing out WMP then opening again for the folder songs to show up.
Oh and really between moving the button from the bottom on save/ sync for Playlist Why?
Also do not like the colors of the player it self. Steel blue for the interface that can't be changed.
Purple for the Playlist frame? UGLY colors for a Media player.
Oh also alot harder to find the music in the Library from the playlist frame since you can't click a find in library.
- Измененоcaptylor 24 ноября 2009 г. 4:26adding
- You're right-clicking on the track name field, then - right-click over the column of interest in WMP's library and you can edit or multi-edit that field as desired.
- Hello,
I am new to this thread which I found from trying to find the ATE myself today. I had updates for my library and found that I was unable to do the updates the way I prefer. I used the ATE to "hardcode" the album art to the mp3 files themselves. I have never liked a referencing library as many people in this post have pointed out. I do not consider myself a leading edge techo user, but I started with DOS as a kid and have simply kept up with the changes as time went on, usually skipping a new OS occasionally. I was recommended 7 by a friend as I had a Vista laptop that took forever to startup etc. I may the change and in comparison it is awesome! I sat this as I am assuming it is important to understand the situation and experience of a responder for evaluation of a population.
That out of the way, I would just like a way to continue to "hardcode" the album art to the mp3 files. If this means a return of the ATE, great. If this means a change of windows explorer that gives me full control over my files in an advanced ATE way, great. I liked using WMP for the automatic info fill ins that were mostly correct, but most of the global changes I wanted to make, I made in Windows Explorer in the properties section. I do not have that capability with the album art, which is what I used WMP for. The return of this simple (though complicated to find sometimes) ability would make a great difference in how I feel and use the WMP. I do not like 3rd party dowmloadable software and because of this I feel I am stuck with this version of WMP that is missing a primary function of what I used it for. Also, when I first started researching the problem I was having, I kept coming across solutions in the Microsoft database (I was using WMP help to search) that reference the ATE as solving my issue.
Thanks for the chance to respond! Zachd - one of the things I really liked about ATE was its ability to make me feel like I was in control of my music. In that one place I could learn all the metadata that was stored in my music, and could easily see if some fields were populated with garbage, or inconsistent spellings, or whatever.
I like giving music specific genres, and then playing all of a certain genre type depending on my mood. I can no longer see how to give different genres to different songs on the same album without doing a search on the song title to make sure it's the only item in my view, and thus I have to do it one at a time.
I like the new layout of WMP12, but it still needs some work. I like the idea of separating the panes between library, and playlist etc. I think it's slightly more intuitive now. Working with the library is easy, but working with the playlist pane is still a little too hard.
-Brian- @Brian: Switch from Expanded Tile view to Details view. This will put "Genre" in its own column, and then you can multiselect and edit the genre for whatever subset of songs that you want.
- Zachd,
Thanks for your attention to this thread. Add me to the list of people who would love to see ATE back in WMP or the possibility to install WMP 11 in Windows 7 (64-bit). (The thread you pointed us to in order to possibly downgrade to WMP 11 does not work for 64-bit and furthermore seems to cause some bad side effects.)
There are three specific things I want to do that I can't seem to do properly in WMP 12:
1) Change album tags around. Occasionally, the internet database will have the wrong track information or album information, and while you can use the right-click, then "Edit" interface to change things, it seems that WMP "remembers" the downloaded information when organizing the library. Here's a concrete example: I have purchased a box set of 6 CDs that I want to rip to my computer. The box set contains 11 original LP's, but the songs on the CDs are organized based on recording date. So, while I can change the "album" for each individual track as well as the "track number," WMP "remembers" the track numbers from the original CD and the original rip (based on the information downloaded from the Internet database), and there is absolutely no possible way (that I've discovered) to reorder the songs properly. For example, I have one album where the songs are organized (when in "Artist" view) in WMP 2, 4, 5, 1, 3 (instead of 1-5).
2) Delete album art. I don't like album art because I'd prefer it not clutter up the display on my portable music player. I'd like the flexibility to remove album art through a simple click or tag edit in WMP.
3) Tag compatibility across programs. I have a Creative portable music player, and I've found that their program, Creative MediaSource, is helpful for editing tags. Unfortunately, it now seems that changes to tags on .wma files I make in this program are NOT reflected in my WMP library. Again, it seems that WMP "remembers" the information garnered from the internet and will not reflect the changes to tags I make. Obviously, now that there is no ATE to smoothly, efficiently, and permanently change tags in WMP, this is a huge issue, one that will probably cause me to look for another music player to use for playback and for ripping CDs.- Предложено в качестве ответаMEask 12 декабря 2009 г. 0:26
Ferrous00 wrote:
3) Tag compatibility across programs. I have a Creative portable music player, and I've found that their program, Creative MediaSource, is helpful for editing tags. Unfortunately, it now seems that changes to tags on .wma files I make in this program are NOT reflected in my WMP library. Again, it seems that WMP "remembers" the information garnered from the internet and will not reflect the changes to tags I make. Obviously, now that there is no ATE to smoothly, efficiently, and permanently change tags in WMP, this is a huge issue, one that will probably cause me to look for another music player to use for playback and for ripping CDs.
That was and still is an issue with WMP11 too. Tag compatibility. The rating is a "star" rating system rather than a simple numeric field. I had a recent reboot of my OS and had to regenerate my databases. This meant having to re-rate over 30K tracks. After having updated my 5 star tracks (fortunately I had 5 star playlists saved for each genre but not for the other ratings) WMP overrode the rating in my other programs and reset the ratings to "0" on them. (this was a similar issue with iTunes when iHell kept changing the values in the comment fields to sets of 5 digit numeric codes)
I'm considering giving up WMP altogether. It doesn't make use of the MP3 tags properly (Universally), doesn't alllow for using the comments field in the displayed column even tohugh windos itself does in file display (I use the comment field for listing similar artists or tracks so that in other programs it gives me a Pandora-like capability so I can search "James Brown" and all James Brown as well as similar sound artists or tracks display). I have all 30K+ tracks set up in this manner.
Also the Custom1 & Custom2 fields are only usable in the WMP db and don't carry over to store as tags. Nor is there a method to export music data to Excel which after a serious meltdown would help to have a record of previous info in case the db becomes corrupted.- WMP12 doesn't remembers the downloaded information. To avoid WMP12 change the information previously edited go to options and disable the automatic media information updates .
- @jodhat: You can also accomplish hardcoding the album art by dragging and dropping the album art in question onto the track within the player.
@ferrous: 1: There isn't any such remembrance notion because the library doesn't have a secondary "memory". Perhaps if you linked to a screen shot of your issue, that might be an easier way to determine what might be going on. In "sort by album", it'd be 1-5, so it's potentially possible that the Album and Album Artist fields don't align for those tracks.... ?
3a: Just to doublecheck, but have you verified that the MediaSource values are set according to Explorer... ?
3b: ATE didn't smoothly nor permanently change tags in many ways, which is why it's (sadly) gone. WMP and Explorer should be more reliable here, and if there are areas where they're falling down, that'd be easier / more relevant to "get right". MediaSource and WMP potentially not talking to each other seems interesting.
@swanky: Stars are based off of a numeric representation, though, as you can verify through a tool such as ASFView (if you save ratings to the files).
How had you updated your tracks? This seems like an unrelated-to-ATE-discussion that would be better served in its own thread, but -- there's no real ability to nuke ratings in all of your files. The WMP personal rating shouldn't have affected any existing rating of your files - but if you hadn't clicked the "save ratings to files" options, the ratings are solely kept in the library - and resetting the library would reset ratings. =\ The old WMP Ratings Migration Plugin can move ratings in and out of files if you need it. =\ @swanky: Stars are based off of a numeric representation, though, as you can verify through a tool such as ASFView (if you save ratings to the files).
How had you updated your tracks? This seems like an unrelated-to-ATE-discussion that would be better served in its own thread, but -- there's no real ability to nuke ratings in all of your files. The WMP personal rating shouldn't have affected any existing rating of your files - but if you hadn't clicked the "save ratings to files" options, the ratings are solely kept in the library - and resetting the library would reset ratings. =\ The old WMP Ratings Migration Plugin can move ratings in and out of files if you need it. =\
I had selected my 5 star playlists, highlighted all the tracks in the list, right clicked ratings, selected 5 star and hit enter. After doing that for each of my 5 star lists (they are broken down by genre; Blues, Reggae, etc) I later opened another program, Mixmeister Fusion, and found that all of my tracks previously rated as "5" had all been changed to "0".
So I gotta say that WMP had to be the culprit as no other ratings were affected. Whether or not the "Apply Media Information Changes" is irrelevant. Because if the changes were applied to the files then the "numeric representation" should have left the ratings unchanged in the other application. A 5 is a 5 no matter what, numerically speaking...Hm. I see that WMP picks up Meister's ratings, but Meister doesn't pick up WMP's ratings. Also, Meister doesn't, in my limited usage of their Trial version, pick up tags that WMP updated - so I could be missing something.
Are you rating the tags as "5" in Meister? Valid values for POPM are 0-255 (per standard) so contextually "5" would mean "This song is pretty terrible" - and it'd populate as a one star track in WMP.
This has little to nothing to do with the Advanced Tag Editor, though. =)Hm. I see that WMP picks up Meister's ratings, but Meister doesn't pick up WMP's ratings. Also, Meister doesn't, in my limited usage of their Trial version, pick up tags that WMP updated - so I could be missing something.
Are you rating the tags as "5" in Meister? Valid values for POPM are 0-255 (per standard) so contextually "5" would mean "This song is pretty terrible" - and it'd populate as a one star track in WMP.
This has little to nothing to do with the Advanced Tag Editor, though. =)
I use the simple 1-5 star rating with 5 being highest to keep it similar across multiple applications. (I had considered using a 10 point method but I chose to pare down my decision making process and increase the compatibilty)
Actually it does have bearing on the tag editor being as a part of the ID3V2 tag frame, after all shouldn't that be part of an ATE functionality? To edit the tags? All of them.
I mean that is basically topic of discussion here or are we to take the myopic MS view? (Stay in the box, who cares what the Windows 7 ads say...)- I'm not quite sure I follow, given that Meister is using a text field. The text field that Meister uses is not star-based: it's a 0-255 value field. 255 would represent the 5 star / top value. If you were using the 10 star system with Meister, 255 would still represent the top 10 star value. This is an artifact of how the POPM field works and is defined to work, and while WMP/Explorer may not have the world's best ID3 implementation -- it's contextually correct as far as I understand it. If you are using the text value "5", that means 5/255. There's unfortunately no ability to remap what POPM's scale is, and any other player that did visual star ratings showing the text "star" ratings from "Meister" (you) would also be correct in showing that as one star.
ATE never supported editing Rating, to my knowledge, and even if it did it'd unfortunately still operate on the 0-255 scale as defined by the ID3 spec.
So I'm not really sure where you're going with this one. If your net interest is in using the text value "5"(/255) as indicating the text 255/255 or the visual 5 stars, I regretfully inform you that that's both not the MSFT implementation and actually not the ID3 spec and thus will likely be a frustrating path for you longer term. Again, this isn't "evil M$" at work, this is how ID3 is defined as you can verify through ID3.org or other review.
Probably the only relevant remaining question would be: why can't I redefine the scale of the POPM field? The answer to that is general portability: if you ever intake other rated MP3s into your library, anything rated "mediocre" (say a rating of 25) would be rated as "5 star" in your book. It might be interesting within your context, but it's not really a feature that's going to add a lot of *general* value for users. =( - Add me to list of users completely unsatisfied with WMP12.
- What I used ATE to: Edit tags in way that's more natural for me then editing in tracklist. It provided complete overview of track properties. Maybe I can select 200 columns to be displayed in tracklist, but I have only 2 monitors! I loved the possibility to enter lyrics in multiple languages and even to create syn lyrics. I've added lyrics to almost any track in my library and now my work is destroyed. (It used to be possible in XP to edit at least default lyric in Total Commander (Windows Explorer) file properties dialog. It's not possible in W7.
- It misses taskbar toolbar.
- It misses tabs for library / now plůaying / rip / burn / sync (see screenshot of WMP11 above). I still don't know how to swict between those views. You may point me to help. Any software that needs user to read help to be used is bad designed.
I upgraded to Vista very early as well. I was quite satisfied. Vista had some problems but I liked it. Now with W7 I'm more unhappy than with Vista. Maybe I expected to much. It's more like payed SP than new version. And it removes many functions I used (desktop toolbars, QuickLanuch, systray, WMP). It has some improvements (performance, backup, pinned applications and files) but this is contraproductive. I more miss old features than I welcome new ones.
Let's recapitulate Microsoft software I treat as not designed for me (so I don't use it):
- Windows Explorer (use Total Commander instead) - completely unusable since Windows 3.11
- Internet Explorer (use FireFox instead) - it used to have pure support for HTML/CSS and it used to be completely user-unfriendly. Now it's quite user friendly, but I as developer still want use software that supports technologies I use for development.
- Microsoft Office 2007 (fortunately I don't need to use any Office-like software since I finished my diploma) - ribbons are not customizable, all my investments in normal.dot are ruined.
- Windows Media Player 12 (I really don't know which software I'll use) - no taskbar toolbar, no tag editor, confusing UI
- Expression Studio (I'm not designer, Visual Studio is enough for me) - horrible black UI
Please, consider advanced users' needs when doing any change to any software towards simplification. Do not remove features people use. When developers ask for change of some behavior we are often told that this can be changed even Microsft itself knows that behavior is odd because of backward compatibility - because other peaople use it and it can break their effort when changed. This is exactly what you have done with WMP12 (and Office 2007 as well). Broken functionality used by many people cause that their investments are if not completely lost, significantly devalued.
Edit: In order not to be mistaken that Fixing bugs by commenting out lines of code strategy works: I've just discovered that 90% of my Czech metadata are destroyed in WMP12 (it used to be OK in WMP11-). 90% (not all) occurencers of some characters were changed to another characters. While another characters or another ocurences of the same character were left untouched. Changes are: Ě→Ì, Ů→Ù, Ň→Ò, Č→È or Æ, Ř→Ø, Ď→Ï, đ→ð (they have same capital representation Đ→Ð). It seems that somebody in WMP team really loves the backtick (`). Great job! Welcome in age of Unicode! Maybe MS will comment out all metadata-related code to get rid of such issues.
Đ.- ИзмененоĐonny 5 декабря 2009 г. 22:11Added one recent exprience
- Windows Media Player's Advanced Tag Editor has been one the most important features that kept me with this software. Now unless Microsoft brings it back I am surely switching to something else.
It ridiculous how features are removed just like that. I guess nobody at Microsoft is using WMP at home with thousands of songs in collection...
- @paktas: I and (many) others at MS definitely have thousands of songs in our collections. That doesn't change the critical fact that ATE was broken and that the time investment to get that nearly completely rewritten, as would have been necessary, was deemed to be better spent elsewhere providing other functionality/etc. Please don't mistake "not wanting to ship bad software" as "not loving and respecting you and your needs/desires". I love understanding how people use the product and look forward to helping try to translate those ideas/wants into functionality. But the ATE was broken and had to go. =( You raise the great question about how to replace that: that evidently wasn't in the schedule for Windows 7, and we'll see how things go in the future.
let me tell you what I did for 1) I rename the files in the destination folder, before I added to my WMP,
- I'm confused on how everything was "broken". The ATE has been in WMP since 10, and it's worked plenty fine for me. Even if it was just some sime tag editing, I don't get why it was removed. It defintely sucks. Hopefuly someone makes a plugin to add it back.
- Defintely want this feature back, and the mini toolbar.
- I'm not a programmer by any means-- I tinker. I don't write them, I don't pretend to understand how it's done-- I'm just one of those common ignorant users. That aside I totally agree with many points in this thread. First, WMP 12 is a giant step backward from WMP 11, which was no better than WMP 10-- in fact worse than WMP 10. Windows explorer is another worthless program for anybody with the need to move files, rename large groups of files-- on and on. You have to apply registry hacks just to get 'move to' and 'copy to' on the right hand click menu which contrary to Microsoft has never made any of my Windows versions unstable-- any more than they already were anyway. Office 2007, another great call by Donny above-- the ribbons are "pretty" but without the ability to customize them they are supremely inferior to Office 2003. I'll throw another 'legacy' windows program on the fire as well. Tried to use the new MS Paint on Win 7 to touch up a few photos? It also has a pretty ribbon now-- confusing and no more features-- actually less than before-- but pretty. WMP 12 falls right squarely in that category in my opinion as well.
I gave up on IE after IE6, use Firefox and have never looked back. Microsoft in almost all components of it's operating systems seem to go for the lowest common denominator when it comes to users, thus each version gets less and less useful to anybody doing much more than 'clicking' a few buttons to get a simple job done. I bought XP Pro, Vista Ultimate and now Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit and you would hope for the price differential there would be the ability to customize, some additional features like the ATE included in the highest price version. You would think that but you would be wrong. Bit Locker from Vista was outclassed by many private vendors software already out. Win 7 system imaging. Acronis True Image for one, has more feature and flexibility than Win 7 Imaging every step of the way. I spend extra money to buy a more expensive car expected to get some features I enjoy and the ability to have things the way I want them. That does not apply to Microsoft-- never has. "ultimate" is just another marketing term.
I'd like to see a whole lot less "pretty" every version of windows to satisfy the eye candy folks and more well developed features, the ability to make customizations and additional features when I plop down $500 for an operating system. Like one of the commentors above mentioned if the tag editor is poorly written and has problems then take the time to fix a feature-- don't drop it.
And lastly though it seems MS has some well meaning, decent people generous with their time that visit and comment in this forum the folks at the top are still in the "my way or the highway", the "like it or lump it" and the "you'll take what we give you and like it" mode that makes their anti-Microsoft fan base continue to grow. Thus Firefox, thus Open Office (which could use a dose of 'pretty') and others. These are the same people that insisted Vista was a great OS and was light years ahead of XP until world pocketbooks, being thrown out of the Olympics in favor of XP and many other examples brought the light of reality back. I don't see much in the way of additional features in Win 7. It is a little faster in booting up and shutting down, but as someone else accurately pointed out those are things that should be taken care of an in service pack, not the next version of windows.
Anyway, from the know nothing day to day user who does tinker with my music collection and did use the ATE frequently and one becoming more and more let down with Windows 7 that is my unsolicited two cents worth. - I would say the biggest reason for me is:
- the ability to edit multile files with one change (try changing the mood or sub genre for an entire album, band, etc. in the new player - It is PAINFUL. I used to do this in seconds in the old advanced editor.) I don't even use sub genre anymore becuase it is too painful to use.
Additional wants:
- Ability to add art without having it auto resized (I hate that drag and drop assumes I want all of my art at 200x200)
- I miss the use of multipe genres (I used to seperate genres by ";"). it still works but when I remove a file from WMP and re-add it only the first genre is saved. This means that the Genre: "Rock; Christmas: 80s" is now just "Rock". Do you know how painful it will be to remove the 100+ christmas albums I have in my collection come Jan? If I don't remove them I can't play my collection on random without getting chrismtas music anymore (that will be fun in aug). You say I can use the autoplaylist editor and just filter them out? Great, I used to do that but WMP dropped that "Christmas" genre from my files becuase it wasn't at the front of the line - ie - before the first ";"... the ability to edit multile files with one change (try changing the mood or sub genre for an entire album, band, etc. in the new player - It is PAINFUL. I used to do this in seconds in the old advanced editor.)
You can do this in the library too, without the Advanced Tag Editor. See Multi-line editing for an example.
I miss the use of multipe genres (I used to seperate genres by ";"). it still works but when I remove a file from WMP and re-add it only the first genre is saved. This means that the Genre: "Rock; Christmas: 80s" is now just "Rock".
Are these MP3 files? WMP has never supported multiple values for Genre in MP3, only for ASF-based formats such as WMA (see this page at MSDN).
Tim De Baets
http://www.bm-productions.tk- you can download the plugin for Windows Explorer to edit your song ID3 tag in Windows Seven... here the plugin: http://www.softpointer.com/AudioShell.htm so download it, install, dan after complete, right-click your song, click properties, click audioshell tag editor tab, and enjoy it!!!! NO VIRUS!!! VIRUS FREE!!!! DOWNLOAD IT NOW!!!! Thanks :)
- Предложено в качестве ответаAryaJamesTagEditor 29 декабря 2009 г. 4:00
- Just wondering if Microsoft will ever decide to actually listen to what its (paying!!) users want and not what some focus group (who are these people????) decide and dictate what we want?? Regardless of what anyone says, there was actually NO need to remove ATE, and if it was indeed that 'bad' you dont remove it, but rather make it work!!
IMHO, Microsoft are getting incredibly arrogant in their bullish totalitarian approach to features that are included/deleted etc in Windows 7. In the UK they are forced us to have $ky Player on our Media Centers with ****NO**** supported way to remove it!!! Who the ____ do they think they are!!!??? This is just one more nail in the coffin. You do not force a paid for utility onto someones own private system with no way of removing it. And the removal of ATE is just another example... oh and so is the lack of a proper Vista style Sidebar... surely we should have more choices in a newer Windows version rather than less?????!!!!!
I truly hate Microsofts approach of late.
Just my 2c!
Rich - Sometimes you have to take a step back to take a step forward. The ATE was broken since near conception in a fundamental architectural fashion that would have required a near rewrite. There's been signs of that over time that people have noticed and been pained by: I'm glad that it never bit you in the posterior. Right *now* for the purposes of Windows 7, it was deemed more appropriate to spend the available time doing other things like getting better inbox support for more file types and etc.
Media Center and Windows Media Player are fundamentally different teams, as you can kind of tell by the different UI: if you have a problem with MC and/or Sky Player, that seems like a great concern to take to actual support to make sure they're aware of your concerns.
There's a important balance between "lots of features for everything" and "working excellently". The ATE in very particular has historically had some major issues that were never dealt with (for example: the lyrics area), and that lumbering zombie was killed. I'd believe that if the ATE ever existed again, it'd be done in a much smarter fashion. I have much respect for gnashing of teeth upon this, but--- the ATE was broken. And per my comments way way above, you can generally do about 95% of what ATE offered through the existing Windows/WMP frameworks: and if you want more, stuff like 3rd party tag editors should also work excellently.
I respect your concern and pain here. I'm a fellow hardcore music fan and want the experience to be the best possible. =) - In a age of top multimedia and multitasking WHY??? we are not able to open more then one instances of Windows Media Player W H Y ????????? )
I would love to have even 10windows of WMP opened at the same time -on hold - ( in the middle of a movie when someone interrupted)
have some funny clips ready to show anytime, minimized or of a smaller size on monitor. I would like to have many songs or videos to be stopped
on some point and be ready for presentation ect.... so far ,IF I OPEN ONE, THE OTHER IS CLOSED ----> so much for MULTITASKING AND MULTIMEDIA
That was possible in WMP6 ! It was like 10 years ago when I had many(12) WMPlayers opened at the same time ,
muted but I watched all at the same time searching for a specific moment on clips.and that was live, fast and exiting way of multimedia.
WHAT IS WRONG NOW!!!? did we get to the point of single-tasking? Was that really the goal of Mr. Bill Gates???
That is asking for quick update release.That`s a shame! I am NOT a guy with the highest IQ ,
but I can watch football game (mute) and listen to my favorite music ! I am more then simple-tasking person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Agree with other responses to this moronish response. XP saw a whole new media player roll-out, as well as an upgrade from IE6 to IE7 (and wasn't IE6 an update at one point?). As an "MS-MVP", to post such ludicrous junk is a waste of peoples' time!
- Hey, if you have some (even all) troubles of editing album art on WMP 12 library, I can suggest you to do something to fix it.... First, download Mp3Tag.. http://www.mp3tag.de/en/. After that, if you want to remove the album art, install this program, open it after installation finished. And select your song, and select remove tag.... and after that, WMP still appears the album art.. So, delete all of the library of your music (not delete from computer, just library), And close WMP after it finished. Than, open the folder where you save your music files. From that folder, create another folder, and move your music to that new folder (from your old direction). So, the album art will not appear again..... Thanks :)
- Предложено в качестве ответаAryaJamesTagEditor 3 января 2010 г. 1:06
- Hi. I use MP3tag - its an awesome app. But the point is, IMHO, we shouldnt have to!! We should be able to fully manage our libraries though Media Player... full stop... end of! The truth is MP, is fast becoming the most limited and crippled piece of software available and the decison makers at MS should be ashamed.
However, my thanks to zachd for his continual responses to this thread... my negative comments are no way directed at him. :)
Rich - @zachd; the genre is not a sortable column nor is the album name (it groups by album name), which is also annoying.
- @silviaC: Switch from "Expanded Tile" view to "Details" view. This is the little drop down just to the left of the Search text box. :)
- Based on a suggestion earlier in this thread I have been using Media Monkey for a few hours and so far have found it to be far superior to WMP all versions with one exception. When searching a track on the computer to update media information, it frequently does not guess the correct album, more often than WMP. But the upside is that is has a drop-down menu to select alternate albums, unlike the endless scrolling through pages in WMP. So it is still an improvement.
- @zachd: Thanks for solving that annoying problem!! I have been playing with the new WMP for a month and didn't figure that out.
Sadly, in just 30 minutes with Media Monkey I figured out many ways to sort and look at files that are far superior, and mass tag editing is awesome. They also have default searches, like in Outlook, that they call "Files to edit". Things like duplicates, unknown title, unknown album, etc. And unlike with WMP, when you finish a search you are returned to the same place your were in your library, not the top/first song, which is key when you have 10,000+ songs. You might to check it out to see what the competition is doing! - hi i'm new to blogging, but i had the same problem on my win 7, but i found out that you can edit all the artist's details like in "advanced tag editor" by selecting the properties of the actual track and then editing the detail from in there. it a bit more time consuming because you have to edit it individually. and "album art" is like what "zachd [MSFT]" said just "drag and drop the art on the track".
- Hi, so if I want to use Media Player that comes with Windows 7 to bulk edit say, for example, a CD's album title, can I or can I not do that in one go or do I have to edit each track individually?
TIA, Rich - @stumpy: You can bulk edit. Multiselect the tracks in question (for example, hold down the CONTROL key and click on the tracks in question) and then right-click Edit on the column data of interest. :)
- to select multiple tracks and put them under one album you just:
- select all tracks (you wish to edit);
- right-click menu;
- "properties", "details" tab;
and you can edit the artist's album through their.
i originally needed this for my compilation albums since that there not always on the FAI (Find Album Info
- I've just installed MediaMonkey and I'm impressed.
- It has option to use Windows Style
- It intergates with W7 taskbar (small play/pause/stop buttons in preview window as with WMP)
- It has tag editor
- It has clear options to setup encoding and version of ID3
- It has tree view (removed from WMP several versions back)
- It has menus and toolbars - customizable
Microsoft, keep this way of developing software and maybe once I'll find replacement event for Windows :-(.
Đ. - Thanks! :O)
- WHAT HAPPENED TO WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER 12 advanced tag editor???? It's so useful for editing media information. Microsoft should fire the idiot who proposed the idea of removing it......if it's you bill gates, then fire yourself.....
- I am still in the process of figuring out whether this problem has erased the lyrics from 1000's of songs I spent many years adding those lyrics to. Typical of Microsoft to do something like that. I have myself already determined that other than operating systems and office, which I need for work, I will not purchase ANY ms products. Im done. If an alternative, a true alternative to the monopoly, shows its face...I will dump MS altogether.
My guess is that MS is trying to push everyone to the "social" platform so they can more aggresively market their music delivery service as well as other things we dont need. You cant even use a zune product without "social" so I returned 3 brand new zune hd's that I just purchased.
They tout the social as something that improves "life" for users, and some people fall for it, but it is ONLY a marketing ploy. - Zach -- I disagree with much of the premise of your argument here, but I want to say clearly that I really appreciate and respect you coming back and reading and replying to people. I think upset customers can be a tremendous resource in helping a company (or a product team) to find its way. And I hope you see the passion that people have here as a good thing.
I have a collection of 2,000 or so CD. Several hundred of them are compilation CDs that radio stations often put out during the holiday season. I have spent countless hours use ATE to conveniently keep my collection in order. For instance, in one swoop, I could go in and make sure that the artist was clean and correct. It was SO easy to right-click and be able to make small or big changes to the album's information, be it artist, contributing artist, genre or whatever. It feels like Microsoft switched database providers at some point, so CDs that used to be Bruce Springsteen and the E'Street Band may now show up as Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band. I used it extensively to very quickly and conveniently create custom genres for things like baseball-themed CDs or the aforementioned radio CDs. I agree that it's been a tool for hard-core, high-end users. But with regard to your statements about how it was broken, I can tell you that I never had a bad experience with it.
I understand your point about feature creep. But for me, ATE was definitely one of the features I used the most in WMP. I don't care about, say, skins or visualizations. I want a tool that allows me to best manage a large music library.
I am just beginng to try WMP 12 tonight. And there are some things that I find quite interesting. I like being able to customize the navigation pane. (However, I would prefer to specify how many playlists are displayed, rather than choose between 5 or all.) I love the inclusion of "contribution artist" as a field that I can now put on my navigation pane. The "play to" feature looks like it could be truly compelling. But, at the end of the day, I suspect I will likely join the ranks of the people who find WMP 11 to be more useful than WMP 12. If there's a way to have 11 and 12 co-exist on a system, I might try that as well, so that I can use 11 for media management and 12 for some of the newer features.
Perhaps someone could release even the broken ATE as a power toy. I suspect a lot of us would take it in a heartbeat.
You cant even use a zune product without "social" so I returned 3 brand new zune hd's that I just purchased.
Zune? What's Zune?
U.S. population 308,464,400
World population 6,795,724,876
Zune is marketed to about 4.5% of the world population so in the big scheme of things it doesn't even exist. I doubt Microsoft has made a mess of WMP just to push other "social" services. The mess is only due to sheer incompetence.
- @Mike CV , it's not because the Advanced Tag Editor has been removed, that all the lyrics were erased. The lyrics should still be there in the actual music files, and an external tool like Mp3tag will allow you to access them. WMP 12 will also show the lyrics of the current song, if "On if available" is checked in the Play - Lyrics, captions and subtitles menu.
Tim De Baets
http://www.bm-productions.tk - The Tag Editor is gone, but there is an alternative. Go to "View Options" and change to "Details Vew" then, click on the category you want to change and write the information...is that simple.
The Tag Editor is gone, but there is an alternative. Go to "View Options" and change to "Details Vew" then, click on the category you want to change and write the information...is that simple.
Fantastic! Eleven months of discussion on the absence of the tag editor but someone has the perfect solution that no-one else had found before. Dozens of messages have been posted by idiots and we only needed one intelligent person to solve the problem. Or maybe it's the other way around?
It's that simple!
- This is crazy, I know, but I am going to respond to the original question that prompted this long and obviously hot discussion:
I loved and hated WMP11 and based on what I have read on this thread, I now think that what I hated about it may have been related to the ATE and its flawed integration with Wxplorer.
In using WMP12 (Win7), I immediately noticed the lack of the ATE, and went into sudden confusion and fear that I now had no good way to edit my music metadata conveniently. HOWEVER, I have also learned that the 'stickiness' of metadata in the Explorer/WPM12 interface is much better (so far perfect) than it used to be. I have over 25,000 tracks, and all have meticulously-maintained metadata associations. WMP12 seems to be keeping this info correctly even after I tuned of read only, and changed security settings for all files. The only issue was that 38 tunes seemed to lose all metadata (and this was corrected by converting those mp3s to .wma files).
SOLUTION (for most of what I am hearing on this post)
My offer of a fix for most of the people on this forum is to simply select all tracks for a given albun in WMP12, right click, select 'open file location', right click any of the selected files in the resulting Explorer view, and edit all of the fields you want in the 'Details' tab. This will apply all changes to all files and works just like the ATE. You can also set mood and many other metadata that was not available in WnXP/WMP11. One could potentially use the 'Comments' field to add lyrics. The lyrics an pic features of ATE are really not here, but all of the inportant ID info is (with MUCH more).
All-in-all, I m beginning to appreciate the stability and 'stickiness' of the new WMP/Explorer interface, BUT I do see the value in getting something akin to the ATE back into the mix, particularly with regard to lyrics and pics.
Microsoft: Decent job, but lets get some feedback on future enhancements to address these obviously important user features. Is ther any plan to increase functionality of the new WMP env? - You clearly do not use your own product. this is the ONLY reason I used WMP. guess I'll be looking for something else.
- nope... in fact the "Library" entry on the left nav pane is greyed out.... this thing really got unusable with Win7!!!
- If the Library entry is greyed out, either your player or your library is corrupt. You can use WMP's Tools:Advanced:Restore Media Library for the later, and Turn Windows Features On or Off to reinstall the player for the former. In either case, your problem probably deserves its own thread as opposed to being tacked onto a discussion of the late Advanced Tag Editor. :)
Perhaps a screenshot (hosted on flickr or somesuch) of what you're seeing might be useful in that other thread. You clearly do not use your own product. this is the ONLY reason I used WMP. guess I'll be looking for something else.
Peter (and all else on this thread... if you haven't already discovered),
I suggest you do as zachd says and then use something like 'Tag&Rename': http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm
This is what I am using, and it is far easier (and works much like) than the late ATE. I know it is a whole other program, and it would be nice to have WMP do all, but it really is just a tiny thing, and it really DOES do all that the late ATE did and more.
You want lyrics and album art.. stuff you may not have even though of? it is all in this little gem.
I am certain MW WMP will tackle this again in the future, but in the meantime.....
(PS: MS, please be familiar with these alternative programs so that when you DO re-implement the revamped ATE, it can convert anything from these to WMP ;) )Peter (and all else on this thread... if you haven't already discovered),
While I am sure your advice is well intentioned, I have no intention of searching out a program to do one single task and then having to use two applications to do what should be done in one application. When someone searches out a replacement for Windows Media Player they can find a replacement that plays music and manages your library at the same time. Should be easy enough to find.
I suggest you do as zachd says and then use something like 'Tag&Rename': http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm
When someone searches out a replacement for Windows Media Player they can find a repl