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4 gigs of memry or 8 gigs

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  • Hello just wondering if 8 gigs of memory would increase performance running win 7 64 pro or just stay with 4
    Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:44 PM

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  • OK, now I see why you have trouble. I have a much more modest 8600GT that does not even need a supplemental power connector.

    Still you should be able to put a stick of RAM in each slot. The card spec is supposed to have some room under it, looking at the pic, I see its a tight spot beside the memory. Still it should be OK. The clips are under the video card.

    It looks like it should be OK to put 4 sticks on it. Like I said, yank the video card to make room, then secure the RAM, and gently put the video card back in.

    Even with taller RAM, it should just fit. But I do see its very close. On my board, the RAM is more away from the slot as the PCIe x1 slot is short. Gigabyte put the memory more to the center of the board, not sure what for, but they did.



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    Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:36 PM

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  • Increasing the amount of memory only helps if you are running low, and the system is having to actively use its paging file. Without knowing what kind of workload your system is running, it's hard to say. If you are never using more than 4GB, then no - increasing the amount of RAM won't do anything. If you are routinely using more than 4GB, then yes, increasing the available memory will help.

    Let me add, you can run the task manager, and see how much RAM your system is using total. It has a graph that can show you peaks in memory usage as well, so you might leave it running while you work, and periodically check it to see if you are going beyond 4GB, and if so, how often.
    Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:02 PM
  • Hi, Under normal use 4GB of Ram is more then enought.

    If you want to run more the one Virtual machine ( Yes.)

    If you have programs that use a lot of memory ( Yes.)

    If you can at good price. ( Yes. )

    Slan go foill, Paul
    Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:07 PM
  • Thanks Henry I will more than likely just use 4 gigs and save the other 4 for a rainy day
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:36 AM
  • Thanks Artiste , but what about if I do film editing from my Sony hd sr12 camcorder with Vegas software. 
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:40 AM
  • Given the way Windows 7 memory is allocated, 8GB or even 128GB will make a difference.

    Image editing can eat lots of memory, video can also use a lot. Mostly Photoshop with a whole bunch of pictures can eat 1GB easily.


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    Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:03 AM
  • This depends on if you need more than 8GB memory. For home use computer, I think 4GB memory is enough as other hardware devices will also affect the computer performance but not only memory.
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:55 AM
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  • Hi Azblue, Film and Video editing would require a lot of memory. 

    Slan go foill, Paul 
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:31 AM
  • Thanks Vegan fanatic. I will only be using the milder Sony Vegas 9.b platinum, but I will try both to see how it works. PS., I like your user name. How did u think about using such an awesome user name? Thanks again
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:49 AM
  • thanks  Shaon Shan. I think I will try 4 gigs first and 8 later. I have heard also that too much memory can decrease performance and put more stress on the ram and processor if over clocking, and even slow your computer down. I will let the Forum know after I install my new Gigabyte board tomorrow.  
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:55 AM
  • Thanks Vegan fanatic. I will only be using the milder Sony Vegas 9.b platinum, but I will try both to see how it works. PS., I like your user name. How did u think about using such an awesome user name? Thanks again
    I am a vegan, what can I say. Last night's meal, a big salad. That is raw food and I eat even lots of onions too.

    My personal site is at http://vegan.dyndns.biz if you want to see some ideas.



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    Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:14 PM
  • thanks  Shaon Shan. I think I will try 4 gigs first and 8 later. I have heard also that too much memory can decrease performance and put more stress on the ram and processor if over clocking, and even slow your computer down. I will let the Forum know after I install my new Gigabyte board tomorrow.  
    You can get a matched set, with 4 sticks of 4GB which will give you plenty for what you want to do. Then go get some fat disks.


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    Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:16 PM
  • Hello Vegan Fanatic, I really like your website especially my wife since she might want to buy the Teflon type which makes sense. I presently have 4 sticks x 2gigs each of g skill 1066 ram. Slots 1 and 3 are for 4 gigs only and 2 and 4 are for 8 gigs. So I assume you are saying just use 2 sticks = 4 gigs for now. Thanks again
    Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:13 PM
  • If you have memory in pairs, go ahead and use them all. Put as much as you have, make sure the speed is matching.

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    Friday, October 30, 2009 1:14 PM
  • Hi Vegan thanks for very helpful info. I just upgraded my Gigabyte board to X48-DQ6 and so far I have only installed 6 gigs cause I am having a problem trying to install my lat stick of Ram but it does not seem to fit due to the large graphics card. This new board rocks, however I wanted to ask you one last question. will 6 gigs work as ddr2 since one bank is open or should I go back to 4 or try like you said maybe try to force the last stick to give me 8 gigs. Thanks again, azblue
    Friday, October 30, 2009 5:56 PM
  • Can you click on those helpful buttons, I need the votes!


    Bummer that you cannot fit the RAM, try removing the video card and see if it will fit OK.


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    Friday, October 30, 2009 11:17 PM
  • Hi Vegan I was unaware of the votes, so I have left you with all helpful votes. Thank you, azblue. PS., I am a rookie in this forum but hopefully will learn.
    Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:22 AM
  • Hi Vegan I was unaware of the votes, so I have left you with all helpful votes. Thank you, azblue. PS., I am a rookie in this forum but hopefully will learn.
    That is why I have the vote for me joke, hope you are able to get you RAM in place.


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    Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:27 AM
  • Thanks Vegan, but I am surprised that my new motherboard with Intel's new tech has I identified 3 sticks as Flex memory and are running 6 gigs at ddr2 at 3.83 cpu speed and 1066. I have always been an AMD fan and still am, but I figured I would try Intel once, and not a bad so far. The GA X48 DQ6 has incorporated both Intel and Gigabyte chips and can run two different type of raids= GA JMICRON, and Intel ICH9R,10R. The E8400 is running stable at 3.83 but with large case, cooler, and 6 fans. Happy Halloween. 
    Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:41 PM
  • I think that Intel has updated their memory manager to better cope with whatever is actually installed. My Asus board has all the memory slots clear so its easy to install more.

    Obviously you board must be more crowded. I still suggest attempting to remove the video card and set the RAM, then seat the video again and see if it works.

    Happy Halloween to you and you family as well.

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    Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:54 PM
  • Hi Vegan, the Darn BFG 9800 GTX+ IS HUGE, but I will try to install the other stick as long as it does not slow my cpu down.  The new Giaga board is actually nice cause it is the first one that has huge space between pci and pci 2 + quad bios and triple phase cooling. I have used Asus and Msi, but I seem to like Giabyte for quite a few reasons, but that is only my 2 cents opinion.
    Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:02 PM
  • OK, now I see why you have trouble. I have a much more modest 8600GT that does not even need a supplemental power connector.

    Still you should be able to put a stick of RAM in each slot. The card spec is supposed to have some room under it, looking at the pic, I see its a tight spot beside the memory. Still it should be OK. The clips are under the video card.

    It looks like it should be OK to put 4 sticks on it. Like I said, yank the video card to make room, then secure the RAM, and gently put the video card back in.

    Even with taller RAM, it should just fit. But I do see its very close. On my board, the RAM is more away from the slot as the PCIe x1 slot is short. Gigabyte put the memory more to the center of the board, not sure what for, but they did.



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    Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:36 PM
  • Hi Vegan I finally got the last Ram in. I pushed down a bit on the video card and used a screwdriver to lock it in. I agree that card is too big but can not afford right now to change while it still works, and thanks to Riva Tuner, it runs a bit cooler boosting the fan speed fro 25% to 68. Have a great week. 
    Sunday, November 01, 2009 3:36 PM
  • Hi Vegan I finally got the last Ram in. I pushed down a bit on the video card and used a screwdriver to lock it in. I agree that card is too big but can not afford right now to change while it still works, and thanks to Riva Tuner, it runs a bit cooler boosting the fan speed fro 25% to 68. Have a great week. 
    Good to hear, if the screw goes in and the machine boots, you are laughing. My 8600GT is much shorter and is barley longer then the PCIe slot so fitting it in was easy as pie.

    I have a good chassis, but it means little with some of the monster video cards on the market. My question is, where is the room for cables for disks etc. supposed to go. Now thy have to fight for space for the VGA power connectors.

    I saw pic for one card with 2 extra connectors, it would be less of a pain it they would put them on top. Then they would be out of the disk cage area.

    I have one of those PhysX cards, the 8600GT is the same length. The PhysX does need extra power and there is lots of room as its not very long.

    I have links on the main site for the chassis if you want to see, same for the motherboard.



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    Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:59 PM
  • Hi Vegan I have a large all aluminum Shark tower with tons of space, and twin rail power supply with dual pci power outlets, 8 sata ins, flopy, and ide 133. I have also added a huge Tuniq cooler +6 fans. The one fault is definitely the large video card. I have however noticed no speed or load time difference from 6 gigs to 8, but hopefully it will help when I do hd film editing. 
    Monday, November 02, 2009 1:39 PM
  • Hi Vegan I have a large all aluminum Shark tower with tons of space, and twin rail power supply with dual pci power outlets, 8 sata ins, flopy, and ide 133. I have also added a huge Tuniq cooler +6 fans. The one fault is definitely the large video card. I have however noticed no speed or load time difference from 6 gigs to 8, but hopefully it will help when I do hd film editing. 
    That chassis is fine. As for the power supply, I would suggest at a 650W model, the video card is a power hungry toy.


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    Monday, November 02, 2009 2:49 PM
  • Hi Vegan I already have a 650 wat dual rail Enermax sli ready. I have all the bells and whistles on this cpu and i Ican overclock to 4156 gpu temp 45, core temps 37 ram 950. The system rocks along with an 36-inch 1080p monitor +satellite built in tuner and my creative labs card goes to my Yamaha receiver that powers 12 speakers and 2 subs. I build computers for a part time job, but I am not used to win 7 yet. I just love my toys. Thanks again
    Monday, November 02, 2009 6:18 PM
  • That should be good for a single video card. I do not recommend overclocking as it shortens the life of components. More local heat, more risk a transistor fails.

    You will find Windows 7 very good, I have found it stable, however I did experience a problem with my web-cam but I found a fix. I posted a comment on my site in the Windows IT area of the forum. Other than that, I have had no problems.

    The speakers have their own power, so they a not a concern. Same for the monitor.

    I am happy to see I was able to help you get you machine working well.

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    Monday, November 02, 2009 8:29 PM
  • good to know that the large monitor does not effect my video card. I have lowered my cpu speed to 3.83 for stability. I paid for your tube download but win 7 will not download. I may have to contact the co. or get a refund.
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:25 AM
  • good to know that the large monitor does not effect my video card. I have lowered my cpu speed to 3.83 for stability. I paid for your tube download but win 7 will not download. I may have to contact the co. or get a refund.
    Tube? What tube?

    As for the CPU, I have long suggested not to overclock. You might be able to use it for a while like that, but the machine will not last. My ancient IBM still works for example. I do need a new machine but I am still pondering the move, mainly as the machine still works so there is no real rush.

    My server run Linux server, no GUI but its stable so I like it. This motherboard is also stable, but I am not in a rush for new boards until USB3, EFI and so are all available, so I am looking at next year to see if there are any better offerings.

    I look always for the long term.

    Now you should be aware that the faster the refresh rate on a display, the more power it will consume. Not the video card, the monitor itself. The video card draws more when a game is more demanding.

    So while you have 650W now, I would suggest if you are aggressive with games, that an even bigger one is not reasonable.





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    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:56 PM
  • Thanks vegan, I have not played games yet. I love to edit hd content, and mainly research new hardware, cpus hard drives etc. My e 8400 has been very stable for 2 years and has never exceeded 57 celsius under cpu load. The wright mother board, tower and especially cooling makes a huge difference. the only issue I have is that I see no difference in performance from 4 gigs 1066 g skill, 6 gigs or 8 gigs. I just hope it will help with hd editing. Whoever made this E 8400 chip should of been quite a smart cookie. This chip rockets with no sweat at a fair price. Thanks again, but please explain to me about my refresh rate of my monitor which is only 60 ghz and my display is at 1366 x 768
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:00 PM
  • The memory will come in handy when using several programs at once. The way Windows 7 works, it can use more memory more efficiently as compared with XP and Vista. Windows 7 has several features that make it faster then even XP.

    OK, with refresh rates, some displays such as new TVs are moving from 60 frames per second to 120, and most recently up to 240 frames per second at 1920x1080. Needless to say such speeds put a big load on the power bill. Many video cards cannot go that fast.

    The move to such rates is driven mostly by sports which look better with higher refresh rates. The problem is that broadcasts are limited by available spectrum. That is changing however as new solutions are developed.

    This is the basis for my comments.

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    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:17 PM
  • Hi

    If you are going to do video editing, (I use Premiere a lot) go with 8 gigs of ram.
    Ram is really dirt cheap now, I have a new computer coming on Friday and it has 8 gigs of ram and two, 1TB hard drives.
    It cost me about $100 to go from 4 to 8 gigs on my setup.

    Mike
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 PM
  • Thanks Mike, but will it slow down my computer for other applications
    Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:29 PM
  • I will have to put the other ram back then. Thanks
    Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:43 PM
  • I will have to put the other ram back then. Thanks

    I thought you already did that. Like I said it should just fit.


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    Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:03 AM
  • Thanks Vegan, I did put it in and deciced to pull it out for another comptuer build, but I changed my mind again , but now will leave it alone. Thanks, azblue
    Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:53 PM
  • Thanks Vegan, I did put it in and deciced to pull it out for another comptuer build, but I changed my mind again , but now will leave it alone. Thanks, azblue

    IF you need more RAM, its cheap these days, unless you want DDR3 at 1600MHz or so.

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    Friday, November 06, 2009 3:58 AM
  • All is ok for now and running stable at 3.83, cpu temp 25 C, ram 930, 8 gigs G Skill, cpu voltage 1.27 multiplier 8 running great, cool and stable, 4.6 tb 5 HDDS, 6X BLUE RAY Burner, DVD RAM Panosonic , Plextor premium csrw, e 8400 stepping revision 6, Tuniq cooller + 6 fans, huge all aluminum SHARK TOWER GIGA BOARD X48 DQ6 And now added a seventh fan= great, but EXPENSIVE. I have done construction work all my life but he last 8 years I have fell in love with my toys. Is it worth it? In my opinion yes. I have worked hard for 42 years and can't take anything with me when our Lord calls for us, so might as well enjoy for now. Have a beautiful weekend
    Friday, November 06, 2009 10:59 AM
  • Looks good, keep an eye on the fans so that dust does not foul them and you should be OK. I suggest stress testing the machine for stability for a few days playing a hard-core game and see how it holds up.

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    Friday, November 06, 2009 2:55 PM