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Windows media player 12 / Windows Media Center - Multiple-Cds Albums sorting in library

    Question

  • I have some problems to sort the music files in the library.

    If there is an album with more than one disc, the sorting is like that:

    1 - track 1 CD1
    1 - track 1 CD2
    2 - track 2 CD1
    2 - track 2 CD2
    etc...

    I would like more logical sorting like this:

    1 - track 1 CD1
    2 - track 2 CD1
    etc...
    1 - track 1 CD2
    2 - track 2 CD2
    etc...


    Do you see what I mean ? It seems that WMP/WMC doesn't sort using the "disc number" tag of the file (as it should be).

    Is there any way to sort it fine without creating 2 different albums for a 2 disc album ?

    Thank you.
    Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:06 AM

Answers

  • The strange "subtitle" answer above is not really a valid notion given the lack of persistence.  When you step back, you see as koawmfot noted that this is really about the use of the "Set" field.  WMP does not and will not use the Set field to sort.  Instead it uses Album title as Shark noted.

    So the correct answer here would be to use the Album title field as the descriptive identifier.  If you really don't want to do this, you can use the track number such as by setting t1d1 to be 0101, t1d2 to be 0201, and so forth.  So those are the viable solutions, really.

    The problem with "Set" is that it doesn't fit well within the Explorer namespace / folder views.  This is consistent with the player storing one album in one folder, as opposed to dumping everything to one common folder - where you may have issues with filename collisions depending upon your naming scheme.

    As such it is not supported and is unlikely to be supported, sorry.
    Friday, December 25, 2009 12:51 AM
  • Hi Darats,

     

    I have tested the issue and found if we can add "Subtitle" to the music files, and sort it by Subtitle in Windows Media Player, it will arrange to the way you want.

     

    To do this, please perform the steps below:

     

    1. Right click on the music file and then click Properties. (Let's make "tack 1 CD1" as an example.)

    2. On the Details tab, type CD1 in Subtitle section.

    3. Click OK.

     

    4. Open Windows Media Player, click Library -> Music -> Album and then double click the Album.

    5. Press Ctrl+M combine key to show the Menu.

    6. Click View -> Choose Columns.

    7. Check Subtitle and then click OK.

    8. Please sort by Subtitle and see if the issue can be resolved.

     

    In Windows Media Center, we can perform the following steps to sort the music files:

     

    1. Open Windows Media Center and then go to Music -> music library.

    2. Click the album you would like to sort the files.

    3. Click "play album".

    4. On the left, click "View Song List".

    5. Click "Edit "List".

    6. Move the songs by pressing the arrow button listed and then sort the way you want.

    7. Click Done.

     

    In addition, you can save the list as Playlist.

     

    Hope this helps.

     

    Regards,

    Linda

     

    • Marked as answer by Linda Yan Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:23 AM
    Friday, October 02, 2009 3:55 AM

All replies

  • No ideas ??
    Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:35 AM
  • Hi Darats,

     

    I have tested the issue and found if we can add "Subtitle" to the music files, and sort it by Subtitle in Windows Media Player, it will arrange to the way you want.

     

    To do this, please perform the steps below:

     

    1. Right click on the music file and then click Properties. (Let's make "tack 1 CD1" as an example.)

    2. On the Details tab, type CD1 in Subtitle section.

    3. Click OK.

     

    4. Open Windows Media Player, click Library -> Music -> Album and then double click the Album.

    5. Press Ctrl+M combine key to show the Menu.

    6. Click View -> Choose Columns.

    7. Check Subtitle and then click OK.

    8. Please sort by Subtitle and see if the issue can be resolved.

     

    In Windows Media Center, we can perform the following steps to sort the music files:

     

    1. Open Windows Media Center and then go to Music -> music library.

    2. Click the album you would like to sort the files.

    3. Click "play album".

    4. On the left, click "View Song List".

    5. Click "Edit "List".

    6. Move the songs by pressing the arrow button listed and then sort the way you want.

    7. Click Done.

     

    In addition, you can save the list as Playlist.

     

    Hope this helps.

     

    Regards,

    Linda

     

    • Marked as answer by Linda Yan Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:23 AM
    Friday, October 02, 2009 3:55 AM
  • Ok it seems to work. :)

    But do you know to sort it like this by default ? 'cause everytime I close and reopen WMP, the sorting is messed up again and I need to chose "subtitles sorting" again.
    Friday, October 02, 2009 7:02 PM
  • Hi Darats,

     

    You can just save the tracks as Playlist in Windows Media Player to save the order of the music files. :-)

    Monday, October 05, 2009 5:47 AM
  • Well, that is not what I really would like. Anyway, thanks a lot for your support,

    Hopefully Microsoft will take this into consideration for the next WMP version...
    Monday, October 05, 2009 4:28 PM
  • Hi,

    Surely if you name the Album, e.g. My Album (Disk 1) and My Album (Disk 2), then the tracks will be sorted first in Album then Track order. That's how I have all my music set up & it works fine :p

    Hope it helps :)


    Jeff
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    Monday, October 05, 2009 4:37 PM
  • yeah, I know it will works, but I will have two different albums instead of only one. Actually my question was more : How can I make WMP use the "album number" tag.

    There is a hole bunch of normalized tags that can be put into a mp3 file. the problem is that WMP doesn't use it at all. The "album number" is just an example, but a lot of them cannot be displayed into the WMP library. If there is no way to set it up properly, I hope a new version or a plug-in will correct it.

    Does someone know if editing the Windows registry via "regedit" could help to put more tags into WMP ?
    Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:47 AM
  • good question.  bump on this one.  any way to make WMP use the "set" field or any chance this will come with an update.  it is silly that it is missing, especially when WMP11 supports the "set" field in the advanced tag editor.
    Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:10 PM
  • I am considering finally building a Media Center PC and was testing out WMC just now and noticed this flaw.  This is a dealbreaker for me as I have hundreds of multi-disc albums in my collection and am not willing to re-tag them.  I'm adding my request for this to be fixed by Microsoft.  If they have in Windows 7, I would consider buying a copy if I can somehow demo it first.
    Thanks for bringing this up!
    Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:10 PM
  • The strange "subtitle" answer above is not really a valid notion given the lack of persistence.  When you step back, you see as koawmfot noted that this is really about the use of the "Set" field.  WMP does not and will not use the Set field to sort.  Instead it uses Album title as Shark noted.

    So the correct answer here would be to use the Album title field as the descriptive identifier.  If you really don't want to do this, you can use the track number such as by setting t1d1 to be 0101, t1d2 to be 0201, and so forth.  So those are the viable solutions, really.

    The problem with "Set" is that it doesn't fit well within the Explorer namespace / folder views.  This is consistent with the player storing one album in one folder, as opposed to dumping everything to one common folder - where you may have issues with filename collisions depending upon your naming scheme.

    As such it is not supported and is unlikely to be supported, sorry.
    Friday, December 25, 2009 12:51 AM
  • This feature works great in Zune. 

    Of course the Media Center software ties into Windows Media Player and not Zune, so I have no way of using Zune elsewhere in the house if I wanted to network my media.  I have dozens, perhaps hundreds, of multiple disc albums and this is a big deal for me.  It sure would be nice if Microsoft fixed this. 

    Monday, January 18, 2010 12:02 AM
  • Microsoft unforunatly needs to work with the way tags are supposed to be used, not what is convenient to them to use. Telling us all to not use the tags correctly is a bit like assuming there is no issue with the software but that we should live with way that windows does not work with multiple CD albums. Albums have a name, and that does not include Disc 1, Tracks have a name, and the numbers of CDs in a particular album, is something that Microsoft has to realise is a reality. I alos have many Multi CD albums, and put simple this is a basic flaw in the software, which should be fixed now not in the future.

    As it stands Windows Media plyer can not handle correctly any multi CD albums, and as such is broken as a media player. This has always be a major flaw in Media player and Media center.

    Come on Microsoft stop telling us to use some cobbled up work around, such as renaming each CD which basically gives you multiple albums not one and then you have issues trying to just play a multi CD album without a playlist. 

    This is not hard just use the tags, as other well known MP3 player do. I have 2 copies of Windows 7 so far but I'm unable to use Media player in either and have instead to use Itunes as this (for all its other flaws) at least can handles multi CD albums without any issue.

    • Proposed as answer by Gwk Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:35 PM
    Monday, February 01, 2010 9:38 PM
  • My 2 cents, basically the same as BHauxwell.
    The title is the same for a release, not a disc number stuck on the end. You wouldn't ask a music store for "whatever disc 1" so why would you have to use this as the title?
    If ID3 standards do not include album number, fine don't use them. But ID3 does support subtitle, as does WMP, but ordering should be Title - subtitle - tracknumber. The only way this can be done is in a single album view. Absurd. Create a new play list for every multiple disc release? Crazy.

    For all the things WMP can do right this is the reason I keep turning it off.
    Maybe one day Ill be able to get this streaming, in the right order, to my Xbox360 also.
    Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:34 PM
  • If it bothers me having the discs treated individually, I just renumber the multiple CD tracks into a single album.  So, 1-12 on Disc 1 and 1-12 on Disc 2 becomes 1-24.  (Easily done in one shot using Mp3tag and it's renumbering wizard.)  Problem solved, and 100% compatible with every player and device out there.  Like it or not, support of disc # sorting is not universal.

    This seems to be the way digital music stores treat their catalogs as well.

    By the way, the pre-Zune HD devices don't deal with disc # at all... even though the Zune PC software supports it.  So, Zune didn't really support it.  Left hand, meet right hand.  Thankfully, Zune HD now matches the software.
    Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:41 PM
  • Doesn't work that well for 5-6 disc box sets renumbering to sequential, also subtitle is not valid truly a valid fix because its a track subtitle by id3 definition. ID3v2.3 specs TPOS which is Set in WMP (but not used???) or disc number in itunes for disc numbering....
    So is WMP an expanded file browser only, or is it a media player which should be handling tags correctly?
    Saturday, February 20, 2010 12:13 PM
  • The subtitle suggestion is in my opinion bogus.
    Set doesn't work because then you get into filename collisions in the shell.
    The best plan is to use the Album Title: "Self's Awesome CD Box Set [Disc 1]" or such.
    Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:19 PM
  • An even better plan is to use a player that makes the correct use of ID tags, such as foobar2000.
     
    Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:25 AM
  • Not really an option. Watch your library albums entries blow out by another 20% and forever trying to find things on the streamed end (Xbox 360). And once again it's not true to the release.

    Agree about the subtitle being bogus, why was it suggested in the first place?
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:46 PM
  • I have tried MonkeyMedia, Foobar, Tversity and I'm using iTunes due to my phone. On Linux I'm using Quod Libet. They all have plus and minus points. None of them have this issue with multiple disc albums.
    If WMP is the core of the standard Microsoft environment (PC, Media Centre, 360 streaming) then it should do it right. The only way that happens is if people raise the the problems in the first place. Just changing a media player on the computer opens up new issues regarding streaming/encoding/other people who use the computer etc.
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:07 PM
  • Microsoft unfortunately needs to work with the way tags are supposed to be used, not what is convenient to them to use. Telling us all to not use the tags correctly is a bit like assuming there is no issue with the software but that we should live with way that windows does not work with multiple CD albums. Albums have a name, and that does not include Disc 1, Tracks have a name, and the numbers of CDs in a particular album, is something that Microsoft has to realise is a reality. I alos have many Multi CD albums, and put simple this is a basic flaw in the software, which should be fixed now not in the future.

    I sure hope that Microsoft will fix this shortcoming. I have quite a few multi-disc albums and never had an issue with a third party media player. Now I am forced to run WMP due to my new multi-room system and quite a few flaws become apparent. This is one of them and ought to be fixed.
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:37 PM
  • The subtitle suggestion is in my opinion bogus.
    Set doesn't work because then you get into filename collisions in the shell.
    The best plan is to use the Album Title: "Self's Awesome CD Box Set [Disc 1]" or such.

    Can you please explain how this would cause filename collisions in the shell?
    Monday, April 12, 2010 4:11 PM
  • For example DJ Shadow's Diminishing Returns disc 1 and 2 have matching names across discs.  (That's off the top of my head from the first match in my library.  There will be many other collisions.)

    There are semi-messy ways to work around the filename collision problems, but evidently the team in charge of this implementation decided to go with the simpler approach in both aspects.

    Monday, April 12, 2010 7:10 PM
  • Seems that there is no acceptable solution, I need something that works with standards. Neither the Album title solution is okay (in face, I want it to be displays as one album on other devices (mp3 players) and the subtitle solution is also a wmp only solution. Hope for a fix from MS! Guess I have to use iTunes again!
    Sunday, January 02, 2011 7:45 PM
  • WMP is truly an awful program, i used it as my primary media application for years and finally switched over to iTunes because WMP had so many damn bugs that they just didnt seem to care to fix, problems that existed back in WMP6 and still do (the disc # support being my biggest issue, its constant insistence on making and displaying an albumart.jpg image that is 200x200 when i have perfectly good 500x500 image embedded in each song file, trying to split artist tags like "AC/DC" into "AC" and "DC" as well as many other variants, not even reading the tags on 300+ songs which i tagged myself and lumping them into the 'Unknown' category, etc. etc.).

    Microsofts Zune software is a huge step in the right direction tho, if you havent tried it id sincerely recommend it. Currently ive had to go back to WMP to try to set up media streaming to my Xbox 360 for music because i cant seem to get the Zune software to do it, and im hating every second with WMP. Switch to iTunes or Zune, Zune does a great job of monitoring your media folders, iTunes does a great job of not messing anything up lol!

    Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:31 PM
  • Agreed that the suggested solutions are bogus.

    I have three albums with over 200 tracks each (all long audio books). The longest has over 1000 tracks. All of course are very multidisk, and it rather matters which order they are played in.

    Do they suggest I then create this 1000+ long playlist, or edit 1000+ files to get them into the right order? Or are they going to fix their broken software?

    Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:56 AM
  • No, the correct answer here is for the user to tag albums correctly (with "Disc 1" etc. in the album title only when it was in the original release title, and the machine-readable disc number information stored in the "Disc" tag). Any semi-competently-designed media player (including iTunes, MediaMonkey and any of the default Linux media players) will read and use this information.

    I don't have a problem with software companies taking bold decisions to improve usability, but this is an omission motivated by laziness and incompetence. Fix it.

    Sunday, March 20, 2011 2:32 PM
  • Not sure if this has been mentioned or will help but:

    Select all the music files you want for disc 1. 

    Right Click > Find Album Info > Edit > Tick Box "This is a multiple CD" > Select Disc 1 > Done > Finish 

    WMP will re-label as "Album Name Disk 1"

    Repeat for however many discs you have. 

    Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:18 PM
  • Not sure if this has been mentioned or will help but:

    Select all the music files you want for disc 1. 

    Right Click > Find Album Info > Edit > Tick Box "This is a multiple CD" > Select Disc 1 > Done > Finish 

    WMP will re-label as "Album Name Disk 1"

    Repeat for however many discs you have. 


    Yeah... a fun word of warning on this. WMP will happily screw all of your composer information when you do this. Not really a viable option if you care about things like that.
    Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:21 AM
  • Yeah, I really want to be able to do this, too.  I was pretty much forced to abandon iTunes because ripped files won't play properly on my new Android phone.  So now I'm puzzling over how to combine my multi-disc albums into a single album rather than separate albums.  If WMP could do this before, why was the ability removed?  As a computer programmer, it seems rather stupid to remove useful features.  Will WMP11 work in Windows 7?  If so, where can I get it?  Meanwhile, I'm going to fuss around with Mp3tag to see if that will solve my problem.  Microsoft, please restore this functionality.  It really IS important.
    Saturday, December 08, 2012 5:14 AM
  • rhiguera: the Windows Media Player Plus! plug-in can make WMP's library recognize disc numbers.

    The only supported way to get WMP 11 on Windows 7 is to install and run it in Windows 7's (virtualized) XP Mode. For details, see

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7


    Tim De Baets
    http://www.bm-productions.tk

    Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:20 PM
  • I hate to say it but I have to continue to use iTunes for now.  

    MICROSOFT NEEDS TO SUPPORT CD# and Track #.  Is that too much to ask?  The work arounds above are all bull#$% I wish people would stop posting garbage like that!  

    Renaming an album is NOT an option.  Renaming Tracks to add in the CD# is NOT an option.  Supporting CD# is the only option and it's hard to imagine that in 2012 Microsoft has not figured that out?  Really?  STOP working on Windows 8 and just fix the current version!

    Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:44 PM
  • I looked through everything, and this is the first one that actually had everything in the menus that I needed. It was very easy to do. Never would have found it in the Windows Media help center.

    You're a gem! Wouldn't have though to use find album info.

    Straightforward and easy to follow. Thanks!

    I am printing this out for when I forget how to do it tomorrow.

    Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:15 PM
  • I did a search on the Windows Media Plus!, and BM Productions offers it for free as well as a CD text reader add-on.  There is a lot of chatter about this, and hydrogenaudio.org has many screenshots.  I think I will try it, as I am tired of renaming, only to find that both iTunes and Media Player 12 rip the albums apart, through unrelated tracks together in the "Unknown" album folder, and I do want to listen to them in their proper order.  Note that iTunes loses access to the file.  When I am in file explorer, although the data and the tracks are there (I did rename the tracks 101, 102...201, 202,,,-1921! under one playlist, which plays, but for some reason both iTunes and MP12 lose track of the first CD in a series, throwing the first CDs into one big "unknown".  With all the mucking about I just want to have a clean insertion into my library, too.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:43 PM
  • Linda, I appreciate your efforts in mucking about with MP12, but really, you might want to check out the Media Player Plus! and BM Productions MP CD Text Reader.  I think Microsoft should include these on their website, maybe pay BM Productions some assist money, since they have done Microsoft a favor.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:45 PM
  • I am going to try the Media Player Plus!  And maybe the Media Player CD Text Reader.  Please tell Microsoft to support this add-on and include it on their web site.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:47 PM
  • While you are at it, ask Microsoft to look at the Media Player Plus! and the Media Player CD Text Reader from the same group of programmers.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:47 PM
  • tch! tch!  zachd, please take a look at the add-on Media Player Plus! and the companion Media Player CD Text Reader and don't be so hard on Microsoft's customers.  No programmer gets all things right, but there is an active programming community that is solving these problems, and Microsoft should take a look and take them under its wing, support their efforts, include tested versions on their external links and verify these for the rest of the community.

    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:50 PM
  • I am really wanting to know if any of you tried the Media Player Plus! or the MP CD Text Reader from a group of Microsoft programmers, or brought this up to Microsoft's attention so they can test it, verify it, and include it on their website. 
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:51 PM
  • and perhaps Media Player Plus! might, also.  Please try it and see if we can get Microsoft to support after-market program makers by verifying their efforts and including them on the Microsoft website.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:52 PM
  • Would Media Player Plus! work with Xbox?  Please see if it does...
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:53 PM
  • And you, too, can you try Media Player Plus! and see if it does the job?  Then maybe Microsoft will actively accept programs presented, verify them, and offer them on their website.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:54 PM
  • OK, but please test the Media Player Plus!  See if it should be included in Microsoft's add-ons

    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:55 PM
  • well, yes, and then there are programmers who make a tremendous effort to code addons - I will try Media Player Plus! and see if it saves me work in the future.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:56 PM
  • I am trying Media Player Plus!.  Why not try it and if we can get Microsoft to support these after-the-release programmers by verifying their coding and including their work on the Microsoft web site.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:57 PM
  • Will Media Player Plus! do what you need? 
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:57 PM
  • Actually, both messed up my tracks - all disc 1's in a different series got lumped together in an "unknown album" and when I tried moving things around, couldn't find them, even File Explorer could find them.  I want to try the Media Player Plus! suggested further down in this forum, and would like others to also try it and if everyone agrees, we ask Microsoft to verify it and add it to its repertoire of add-ons.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:00 PM
  • May I suggest we try Media Player Plus! and if that works, ask Microsoft to heartily support the after release programming community by verifying their efforts for free and linking to their work on the main Microsoft web site.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:01 PM
  • Can you test out Media Player Plus! and if it does the job, tell Microsoft to support the programming community by testing and verifying in a collaborative effort then including links to such add-ons that can be shown to work as promised?
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:02 PM
  • Please try Media Player Plus! and if it does what it promises, recommend Microsoft support these programmers with some verification and inclusion on their website.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:03 PM
  • Have you tried Media Player Plus! and found it does the job?  If so, please ask Microsoft to verify add-ons and include them on their website.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:04 PM
  • I don't know if that is a better approach, as answered below, but please would you try out Media Player Plus! and report back to Microsoft that they should support these programmers and verify their work for inclusion on the Microsoft web site.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:06 PM
  • Ok, Tim, I asked everyone to try this add-on, and also mentioned your MP CD TExt Reader, so have you gotten Microsoft to verify this work of yours, and will they include a link on their website?
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:07 PM
  • Well, sometimes its the dedicated users who do the work after publication and production and release.  Please try the Media Player Plus! and see if Microsoft will give more credence to the post-release programming community and verify their work for free to include on their website.
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:08 PM
  • Which answer?  LisaBPeele, did you try Media Player Plus! and did this work for you? 
    Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:09 PM
  • Ok, Tim, I asked everyone to try this add-on, and also mentioned your MP CD TExt Reader, so have you gotten Microsoft to verify this work of yours, and will they include a link on their website?

    ohernova: I appreciate your support for my plug-ins, but please don't post tens of consecutive replies in a thread. It's annoying and may even be considered spamming. Can you delete most of your replies again so that just one reply remains? You can then use the Edit link on that remaining reply and put everything you want to tell in that reply. Thanks.

    As for Microsoft linking to my plug-ins, I don't think that they have done that for any third-party software (but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I definitely don't see them doing it without getting anything in return. Something that doesn't make money one way or another isn't worth the effort for any company.


    Tim De Baets
    http://www.bm-productions.tk

    Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:11 PM
  • I'm stuck with WMP on my work machine, otherwise I'd clearly install iTunes.

    This is terrible - I love that MSFTs failure to program the feature properly (leap years in Excel, anyone?) becomes my problem...

    Utter rubbish.

    Friday, December 20, 2013 12:05 PM