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  • hi there
    im catching alot of stuff to be honest and it seems interesting so far
    now i have the following concerns
    1) from pinpoint how will i know what is the latest management pack released , its common sense that the latest MP will have the best options or added features
    2) in case i imported an MP and there is an upgrade for a newer release , isnt there a way to be notified from the SCOM server itself ?
    3) now some of the MPs are written for SP1 and some for R2 , cant i just have any MP meant for scom 2007 to work on SP1 or R2 or both ? or i must stick with the version as written by the MP writer
    4) isnt there a unified website for optional ( best practices ) configurations ( authoring ) to do for the each MP
    as an example i want to import windows server DNS MP
    a) what is the latest version ?
    b) what tweaks to do for that MP or just import and solve issues im facing ?

    the 4th point is a kind of vague but trust me its serious for me :( as im going to have the following MPs
    DNS,WINS,AD,exchange,ISA,sharepoint,SCCM,SCOM,SQL
    all this as a start so i need to know the best configuration for each , at the end nobody can know all the services related to each product even if i read the guidelines coming with each MP coz some of them i wont understand :P

    this topic i found is interesting http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/operationsmanagermgmtpacks/thread/03c8a055-fbcb-4433-931a-8e471bd82d3d 

    as microsoft didnt reach an approch for lets say the best configuration for each MP instead of just having a 40 page of guideline that isnt that worthy to be honest , how can i overcome the issue of lets say noisy alerts ? whats the workaround please

    thanks
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:31 PM

Answers

  • Hi,

    Don't underestimate the tuning process.  It is ongoing.. infinite..  perpetual.

    You should get to a state after a while, where the only alerts you see in the console are relavent operational issues.  That is the goal of any Ops Manager implementation.  But, this takes time.  Even in small environments.

    Start with the Windows OS management pack.  Then add others as your requirements dictate.

    Matt.
    Matt White
    ( http://systemcenterblog.hardac.co.uk/ )
    • Marked as answer by Graham Davies Friday, March 12, 2010 4:25 PM
    Friday, March 12, 2010 10:01 AM
  • By default there are more than 3 mps but I have never counted exactley how many there are.

    But no, the windows server management packs are installed by default. Once you've set up the OpsMgr databases \ RMS \ MS etc and before deploying agents, make sure you import the windows server management packs.

    Cheers

    Graham
    View OpsMgr tips and tricks at http://systemcentersolutions.wordpress.com/
    Friday, March 12, 2010 2:17 PM

All replies

  • 1. i really don't know. i think not many people like pinpoint, but we're promised that it's going to improve.
    2. i don't think so. Best way is to subscripe to twitter/mpreleases. twitter is nice, but i really don't understand why there isnt an official rss feed or something.
    3. if you're running r2, you should use r2 versions, but you can use sp1 as well (just use sp1 if no others are available).
    4. The guides is the answer basically. You should do some preconfiguring by running the mp through a test environment, but most likely you still need to tweak some when you import it in production. if possible, take your time per mp and don't install them at once.


    Rob Korving
    http://jama00.wordpress.com/
    • Proposed as answer by Graham Davies Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:46 PM
    • Unproposed as answer by microsoft geek Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:43 PM
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:26 PM
  • no rob :(
    all disappointed answers LOL , and how will i know what is good and what is not per MP , imagine i installed it in a test environment and i didnt face any ISSUE , and then install it in production and started to have loads of alerts then what will i do :D
    replace the tool as an example :P ?
    there must be something , am i the only guy among 6 billion who have this issue only :D
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:43 PM
  • Hi

    You might not like Robs answers but sadly they are as good as you'll get ;-)

    1) I don't like PinPoint either .. I don't know anyone who does. I use this google query (provided by Cameroon Fuller some time ago).
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/results.aspx?freetext=management+pack&sortCriteria=Date&sortOrder=Descending&stype=ss_rr&displaylang=en&nr=50

    2) This is a much requested enhancement but is not available at the moment. I do weekly checks on the above url and also follow the blog by Kevin Holman
    http://blogs.technet.com/kevinholman/default.aspx

    3) Run the latest version - the main management pack to be aware of is Exchange 2007 which has an SP1 and R2 version.

    4)This sadly comes with experience. We all try to help on the forums but there is only so much you can pick up from others. The main thing I would suggest is that you have a test environment that you hammer hard. Run stress test tools. Configure Notifications. Then take a look at Kevin Holmans blog. He generally will highlight problems with management packs so just wait a while after release before you import. I know this isn't a great answer but in the end you can short cut experience. The more you use OpsMgr the better the feel you'll get for it. The urls I gave on a previous post also help with basic configuration of management packs.

    Good Luck

    Graham
    View OpsMgr tips and tricks at http://systemcentersolutions.wordpress.com/
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:55 PM
  • graham :)
    i think ill give you a big headache then :D
    at 1st
    1) the link isnt working :)
    2)god bless us LOL
    3) my problem is my client is focusing especially on EXCHANGE 2007 !!!!!! LOL
    4) again the prob graham is maybe in my test envorinment nth happens but in production we will all be screwed :P
    ok can you help me in the following please

    im deploying SCOM 2007 R2 SP1 !! so can you provide me please with the following latest MPs as i dont know which one is the latest nor the earliest ( this is nonsense :O )
    a) windows server 2003
    b) windows server 2008
    c) windows client 7
    d) windows client xp
    e) windows client vista
    f) wins
    g) DNS
    h) AD
    I ) exchange 2007 ( which one to pick ! )

    and pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee if you have links for tweaks of those mps , if there isnt then just import and see what alerts ill face :D

    i know im asking alot but i dont see any faster way to do this :(

    any specific blogs to stick with so far i collected 212 docs for SCOM tweaks from the following sites :D

    http://itprosecure.com/

    http://tarek-online.blogspot.com

    http://www.systemcentercentral.com/Home.aspx  

    http://ianblythmanagement.wordpress.com/  

    http://blogs.technet.com/operationsmgr/default.aspx

    http://systemcentersolutions.wordpress.com/  

    http://ops-mgr.spaces.live.com/blog/

    http://blogs.technet.com/momteam/default.aspx 

    http://blogs.technet.com/kevinholman/default.aspx 

    http://blogs.technet.com/jimmyharper/

    http://blogs.technet.com/smsandmom/archive/2008/08/28/opsmgr-2007-the-health-of-the-root-management-server-is-in-a-gray-not-monitored-state.aspx

    http://www.scom2k7.com/

    http://blogs.technet.com/jeevanbisht/default.aspx

    http://contoso.se/blog/

     

    i know i did my homework :P


    UPDATE : i think this link is a kind of useful at least its showing the latest MPS but again i cant follow by RSS or something
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/scp/mtps/opsmgr07.aspx 
    plus its update till the end of last year , is there any updated MPs during this year :O
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:54 PM
  • the url works fine, just dont click it and scom r2 sp1 doesn't exist, so good luck finding mp's for it :)
    You found the old very well working catalog, so ms decided to change it to pinpoint to keep us scom admins busy all day or else we would lose our jobs... smart thinking of ms don't you think?

    Tuning also comes down to your environment. What needs to be changed for one, doesn't have to be changed for others. Also don't start disabling rules/monitors at start, the first strategy should always be to fix the problem. Just when this is not possible start disabling/increase thresholds, changing severity.
    Rob Korving
    http://jama00.wordpress.com/
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:24 PM
  • so the latest is R2 correct ?
    rob u musnt leave me alone :D , we are on the same boat LOL
    to be honest i will do the following

    install the tool with no optional stuff ( no ACS , AEM and no reporting even !! ) , and ill watch based on the exisitng predefined MPS and see what i can collect and try to solve as much as i can
    ill monitor each MP then for 1-2 days and then get done from the configuration
    finally ill activate the optional features

    btw this site is the best among all the blogs so far http://ops-mgr.spaces.live.com/blog/ , it even contains the TWEAKS for the MPs based on his test environment ofcourse , so i think if im going to face an issue regarding one of those tested MPS then ill override or disable as mentioned in the blog


    is that the correct way to move forward ?

    thanks for ur help in advance
    Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:51 PM
  • Hi,

    Don't underestimate the tuning process.  It is ongoing.. infinite..  perpetual.

    You should get to a state after a while, where the only alerts you see in the console are relavent operational issues.  That is the goal of any Ops Manager implementation.  But, this takes time.  Even in small environments.

    Start with the Windows OS management pack.  Then add others as your requirements dictate.

    Matt.
    Matt White
    ( http://systemcenterblog.hardac.co.uk/ )
    • Marked as answer by Graham Davies Friday, March 12, 2010 4:25 PM
    Friday, March 12, 2010 10:01 AM
  • thanks folks :)
    Friday, March 12, 2010 12:16 PM
  • Just to reinforce what Matt has said and I've said on a few posts ... go slow ;-)

    If you \ your customer is new to OpsMgr then I would start by deploying just the windows server management packs to begin with. Get used to targetting overrides. Get used to the way OpsMgr works as it isn't always intuitive. Fine tune the alerts - I find there are far too many critical alerts and try to use overrides to ensure critical means critical ... it has immediate business impact. Warning means that it needs investigation sooner rather than later and informational is for less frequent checking when time permits.

     Once you are happy that the windows server management packs are tuned then move on to another one. I generally recommend SQL  next as it is more complicated (start using Run As Accounts \ Profiles) but isn't as complicated as AD or Exchange .. so once you have spent some time fine tuning SQL you are ready for the bigger challenge of either AD or Exchange ... happy times ahead ;-)

    Cheers

    Graham    
    View OpsMgr tips and tricks at http://systemcentersolutions.wordpress.com/
    Friday, March 12, 2010 2:06 PM
  • thanks man alot , for run as account and profile ill use them later for now ill paly alone with it then give access to the people
    i heard SCM has by default 3 imported MPs in it correct ?
    is the windows server MP one of them ?
    Friday, March 12, 2010 2:12 PM
  • By default there are more than 3 mps but I have never counted exactley how many there are.

    But no, the windows server management packs are installed by default. Once you've set up the OpsMgr databases \ RMS \ MS etc and before deploying agents, make sure you import the windows server management packs.

    Cheers

    Graham
    View OpsMgr tips and tricks at http://systemcentersolutions.wordpress.com/
    Friday, March 12, 2010 2:17 PM
  • okies cool !
    Friday, March 12, 2010 2:38 PM