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  • Hey guys,

    I have a weird problem. I wanted to upgrade to windows anniversary boot it didn't work. It could not boot after the required restart. So I downloaded the v1607 via Windows Media Creation Tool to update my install stick and go this way. I never had problems with the first version.

    I have a raid 0 for some extra speed and the array (or any array) I build doesnt get reconized. I also tried differente disks. The strange part is that when there is no array setup and the drives are connected as individuals, the drives do get detected trough the RAID controller. I also tried a number of different drivers in the install but that didnt work. Motherboard is a M4N-98 TD Evo with nvidia raid controller (nforce980a sli).

    Now after a good day of troubleshooting I tried my old Windows 8 installation disk. The raid 0 array gets detected immediatly and in no time I was running windows 8. Same goes for windows 10 v1511.

    I also installed v1607 on a single disk through the raid controller. This worked. Then I tried to built an array with the nforce raid tool. Immediatly disconnected windows the drives from the system never to be seen again in diskmanagement aswell as in device management. As soon as I disband the array they work fine again. Then I installed as AHCI. Secondary drives were failing and disconnecting as I went along. The logbook showed numerous errors. So problems here too.

    In the mean time I was working on my media center (asus m3n-ht deluxe), with a similar chipset, because the HDD was stalling the boot by at least a minute. It was setup as AHCI and also generating numerous errors in the logbook. I changed this system to IDE mode which seems to fix the problems for now.

    Seems like nvidia chipset support is gone. My search through the internet with the same problems all showed problems with nvidia chipsets.

    Anyone know what is going on?

    Helps greatly appreciated.


    • Edited by Pimmozzzz Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:39 PM
    Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:38 PM

Answers

  • Hey guys,

    Found a work around for this problem. It worked for me. Check out the following link:

    http://www.win-raid.com/t2202f37-HOT-Win-Update-makes-nForce-RAID-arrays-unaccessable-22.html

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    • Marked as answer by Pimmozzzz Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:43 PM
    Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:42 PM

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  • I'm having the same problem on my nvidia RAID5 using the Asus P5N-D.
    Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:50 PM
  • Hi Pimmozzzz,

    You may report the issue to the device manufacturer support and pay attention to the device manufacturer website for the new released driver. To make a device work well, we should get compatible drivers and the driver is released by the device manufacturer.

    Best regards


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    Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:01 AM
  • Really don't think thats the problem...

    Besides that: Nvidia dropped support to legacy which means no more updates.

    I cannot add links or pictures of it in this message :(


    • Edited by Pimmozzzz Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:01 PM
    Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:01 PM
  • I finaly found a post which could explane some things.

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/windows_hardware_certification/2016/07/26/driver-signing-changes-in-windows-10-version-1607/

    Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:39 AM
  • I'm having the same problem on my nvidia RAID1 using the EVGA nForce 780i SLI FTW. But I'm still on Win10 1511 (not 1607). However, uninstalling the latest security update solved my issue. When I check the update history, I can now see my latest update was KB3172729 and RAID still working.

    EDIT: It was definitely KB3176493, because it has been reinstalled today and the issue is back :(

    What do you guys think, does that mean I cannot install any future updates?


    Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:38 PM
  • Hi Pimmozzz,

    "Besides that: Nvidia dropped support to legacy which means no more updates."

    Since the Nvidia dropped for this product, we could do nothing for a driver issue. We`d better to user a previous version to make the device work well.

    Best regards


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    Monday, August 15, 2016 7:03 AM
  • Same problem here with ASUS Striker Extreme motherboard (nForce 680i SLI).

    Had Windows 10 installed on a RAID-1, was working fine all the time.

    But after automatic Windows 10 anniversary update, Windows did not boot anymore and just presented blue screen with message INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. The RAID system cannot be accessed by Windows anymore.

    You can read about this problem here:

    http://www.win-raid.com/t2171f37-nforce-drivers-and-windows-anniversary-update.html

    The problem seems to be KB3176493 and according to support guy Microsoft is already aware of it?!

    http://answers.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/nforce-hardware-raid-nach-kb3176493-verschwunden/531190b4-b994-418d-95f4-8d870f772305?auth=1


    • Edited by Qu4rkz Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:17 AM
    Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:16 AM
  • Hi Pimmozzzz,

    You may report the issue to the device manufacturer support and pay attention to the device manufacturer website for the new released driver. To make a device work well, we should get compatible drivers and the driver is released by the device manufacturer.

    Best regards


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    Can't kick this back into Nvidia's court.  Nvidia no longer does chipsets and will no longer update their chipset drivers.  This is a problem with the Windows 10 Anniversary update v1607, not Nvidia.   A search shows that EVERYONE who is/was using the Nvidia  Raid drivers can no longer access their raid arrays.    MS has just alienated  thousands of people with a single update.  
       I've tried several ways to reinstall the latest Nvidia RAID Drivers, but Windows keep rejecting them with errors related to not being digitally signed.

    Can we get SOMEONE to 'Digitally Sign" the old drivers?  They work and they are all we have.  I need my RAID Array back.
     

    Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:32 PM
  • I second that. If Microsoft installs an automatic update, they should ensure it does not mess up installations on RAID systems based on the widespread nForce drivers.

    End users suddenly get bluescreen with INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE message or just cannot access their secondary RAID enabled data disks anymore and have no clue what the heck happened.

    Then, they have to invest time and do research on internet to finally figure out that this obviously dangerous (automated!) update silently dropped support for specific RAID drivers making their system unusable. How crazy is that?

    This is maybe something acceptable when doing a major OS version jump (e.g. from Windows 10 to Windows 11) but not for an automatic update. I CANNOT believe this was on purpose. Microsoft, please tell me it was just a bug/mistake and QA simply missed to test the update more intensively on RAID systems...

    Friday, August 19, 2016 12:50 PM
  • I have the same issues

    The only thing i have done ist to stop update service from Windows 10

    and stay on Windows 10 Version 1511 Build 10586.499.

    If you go higher than that build the RAID is inaccessible in the device manager.

    In the Insider preview Version of Windows 10 build 14367 nforce raid was

    still working fine, builds after that number and your raid is "Hastalavista"

    Asus Striker 2 Formula, Striker 2 Extreme and XFX Mainboard with Nforce 780 SLi

    Chipset are still in use.

    The only thing you can do at the moment

    is to stay on that build with that number or to destroy the raid and go onto ahci

    but this could be no solution for ever i think...

    It´s such a shame for microsoft and nvidia...

    Because the people who have posted their problems here are not the only ones!

    wether or not, it is older hardware, that´s true and a fact, but

    when you take a closer look on other chipsets

    like Jmicron, SIL, Marvel, VIA or Intel Chipset Mainboards

    from the same time, these drivers are still working under newest versions of Windows 10.

    Best Example: Asus Striker 2 Extreme:

    the onboard Nforce RAID does not work anymore

    the onboard Jmicron RAID is working fine...

    How crazy is that?

    It is not only a digitally driver signing problem

    Windows 10 is rejecting Nforce raid in the device manager,

    perhabs because of having problems with that hardware under some

    circumstances.

    Excuse my bad english but i am german







    • Edited by edv.kleini Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:22 PM
    Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:03 PM
  • I am having the same issue with my home system.  Have a P5N32-E SLI Plus ASUS MB.  Using the onboard nvidia RAID controller raid-0.  Goes to start up Windows after v1607 update and Windows halts mid boot with the error INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE.  Reset of the system while preserving personal data was able to get me back to a desktop however as soon as windows update auto updates on the next reboot INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE again.  nVidia....Microsoft.... HELP!  Trying to figure out how to remove updates from command line as that's the only interface option i have in recovery mode as SafeMode of course doesn't work with no RAID support.
    Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:54 PM
  • Reset of the system while preserving personal data was able to get me back to a desktop however as soon as windows update auto updates on the next reboot INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE again.
    I observed exactly the same with ASUS Striker Extreme board. In the end the only solution was to say goodbye to RAID-1 and separate the drives. After that no problem anymore after updating to Windows 10 v1607.
    Monday, August 22, 2016 10:13 AM

  • yes, it is definitely KB3176493. It has been automatically reinstalled today and my RAID is gone again. Luckily it is NOT my boot device.
    Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:00 PM
  • Thanks! This reply and info about the update  KB3176493 was also a solution for my hidden NVidia RAID5 problem. I uninstalled the update and got back my 1.5 TB Drive and all those zillion RAW images and HD Videos. You can just imagine how I was terrified when I noticed that the hole RAID Drive wasn't visible :)
    Friday, September 2, 2016 4:53 PM
  • Has anyone heard of a fix for the KB3176493 issue?  As others have pointed out, uninstalling that update brought my RAID disk back.  But I'm sure the update will sneak back in.
    Sunday, September 4, 2016 5:09 AM
  • I too am experiencing issues with my raid controller. I have the ASUS M2N32-SLI-Deluxe motherboard.  i am seeing my Raid 1 Mirror works, however my raid 0 Stripped array is broken.  i have revereted to the restore point but this i very frustrating..
    Monday, September 5, 2016 2:50 AM
  • I'm in the same boat.  After an update I could no longer boot.  I did a reset (which I've now discovered I didn't need to do, a restore will work fine), which worked but I had to install my programs.  After the update it broke again. With a couple of days of troubleshooting and research I isolated it to this update.  What I've done for now is hide the update with the tool referenced above.  It sounds like Nvidia is doing nothing and saying their product isn't compatible with Win 10.  It would have been nice if Win 10 told me that when I was getting messaged every other day to upgrade to it.  Hopefully we get some kind of fix from Microsoft, but for now I'm stuck.  And if they made it a little easier to shut off updates it would be helpful as well.  I've blocked this one, but what happens when they roll out another one?  I guess I just need to make sure my restore points are current and have the update hide tool ready for action.
    Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:20 PM
  • Same problem here. Yesterday I fixed and started up my old and since long dead computer with Asus Striker II NSE and nForce 790i SLI. My raid was working fine until updates stomped in today. However I could not find the mentioned KB3176493. Instead I uninstalled the security update KB3176492 and now the raid is working. I guess it will disappear again as soon as the update is installed again though. This issue really needs to be fixed.
    Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:29 PM
  • Hey guys, just wanted to add my particular experience to this thread, since Google brought me here when looking for answers to my issue: 

    I have an EVGA Classified SR-2 board - it's not an nVidia controller (Intel 5520 / ICH10R chipsets), but I had the same issue after upgrading to Windows 10 Anniversary Edition (Build 1607). Upgrade process went off without a hitch, but when I got back to the desktop, my 4 TB RAID 10 array (with all my stuff on it) was nowhere to be found. Freaked out a bit at first, but it turns out the RAID controller just ran amok - literally. The drive disappeared from "This PC," and from Windows Disk Management (although it was still visible in the BIOS).

    I got really, really lucky in finding the solution for this - because all I did was upgrade the driver, and then when that prevented my computer from booting, I rolled it back to the previous version. After I rolled it back and got into Windows, my array/drive was magically there again. I imagine I would have gotten the same result if I had just uninstalled the storage controller from Device Manager and rebooted. I've rebooted three times now and the drive is still there... hopefully it doesn't decide to send itself on vacation again.

    Hope this helps somebody out there.

    Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:43 AM
  • I experienced the same loss of a 4-disk RAID Array on a system using a EVGA 132-CK-NF78 2 motherboard (NVidia 780i chipset).  The array is not visible in Disk Management and the boot section of System Configuration will no longer allow changes, boot into safe mode or a choice of Advanced Options like System Restore, Command Prompt, Image Recovery, Startup Settings, Startup Repair or Go Back To Previous Build.  My data is backed up but if I restore to a single drive, I fear that the 32-bit operating system may fail to duel-boot under Windows 10.  I need the dual boot configuration and older OS to use 32-bit hardware (flatbed scanner) that will not work under Windows 10.

    Is there anywhere else we can complain to get Microsoft's attention?  The legacy issue makes contacting NVidia for support a useless endeavor.

    Very frustrated...

    Monday, September 12, 2016 3:21 AM
  • I guess Microsoft will teach us NOT to use "old" hardware. Since yesterday they managed to destroy my wifes installation beyond repair. 

    Until now I've been able to restor it's functionality from a restorepoint ( annoying - but working).  I've had some succes blocking the update until 3 days ago. Then suddenly windows updated again ... and gone was the win 10 with the raid .. and this time for good. It corrupted the restore beyond repair. 

    A reinstall of win10 ( new version) was impossible, though the installer found the raid. It just couldn't use it. ???

    So it is back to win 7.  ( or maybe I should give ubuntu a try(?)). 

    Sunday, September 18, 2016 4:39 PM
  • So Microsoft appears to be actively trying to screw us on this problem. I uninstalled the update.  I hid the update.  It snuck back, but KB3176493 was no longer showing up to uninstall.  So I rolled back to a restore point, it snuck back.  Evenutally my restore point got pushed off the retained list.  So I did some detective work and noticed the list of updates since I posted originally on 9/4 and started uninstalling backward till it got fixed.

    The evil update is now hiding in the update for KB3185614.  Note, you may need to uninstall later updates to be able to uninstall this one.  I did not have the option to uninstall until I uninstalled a subsequent one (presumably dependent).

    Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:24 AM
  • Hey guys,

    Found a work around for this problem. It worked for me. Check out the following link:

    http://www.win-raid.com/t2202f37-HOT-Win-Update-makes-nForce-RAID-arrays-unaccessable-22.html

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    • Marked as answer by Pimmozzzz Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:43 PM
    Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:42 PM