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  • Good afternoon guys and girls  :)

    No doubt this question has been asked somewhere before, but i have had a browse around and cant find anything specific.

    I am from a web development background (classic ASP and ASP.net using VB.net) I really want undertake further training (last training i did was in 2009 - feb) in MS products, esp the MCTS. I have been in touch with IT distant learning companies but they are asking a fortune ($4k) for the courseware, which does not include the exams. This sort of money is just not available to me and with living and working in perth, oz, a great deal of employers are asking for MS certification. I decided to have a look to see if its 100% to study for the exams myself BUT i am struggling to work out what exams i would need to sit and what courseware OR EVEN which route to do go down.

    The question i have guys is:

    1. With my background in web development what should i aim to achieve?
    2. What books/coursework/study route should i take?
    3. Has any of you gone down this route before and if so, how did you find it?

    I have access to a web development machine, Visual studio 2008, Sql server etc. I am currently using .net framework 3.5

    Many thanks and i look forward to your replies.

    Dale

    Friday, February 19, 2010 6:22 AM

Answers

  • Dear Dale28

    I am pleased to hear you could use my information :-)

    Here is some more info regarding the exam dates from MS - see below - and the if you follow the link you can also read about the possibility of "beta-testing" these new .NET 4.0 exams if you are one of the lucky ones :-)


    http://blogs.technet.com/betaexams/archive/2010/02/10/free-certification-exams.aspx

     

    Quote:

    When will these be available?

    All but one exam will be available between the dates of March 31, 2010 to April 20, 2010.  Mark your calendars now!  We will also be opening registration earlier for these as well.

    What exams are we talking about?

    70-511 TS: Windows Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-513 TS: Windows Communication Foundation Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-515 TS: Web Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-516 TS: Accessing Data with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-519 Pro: Designing and Developing Web Applications using Microsoft® .NET Framework 4

    70-518 Pro: Designing and Developing Windows® Applications using Microsoft .NET Framework 4 will not be available in this time frame but should be available in the April time frame.

    If you feel that the info can be categorized as an"answer" you are most welcome to mark it as such, so others can use it as well :-)

     

    Many warm regards
    Gitte Lund, Microworld

    www.microworld.dk
    www.mscertkit.com
    www.microworldnova.com

     


    You are welcome to visit my profile on LinkedIn as well and maybe we can connect and help each other networking: http://dk.linkedin.com/in/gittelund
    • Proposed as answer by Gitte Lund Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:47 AM
    • Marked as answer by dale28 Monday, February 22, 2010 12:46 AM
    Friday, February 19, 2010 9:29 AM

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  • I would check out the Microsoft .Net Framework 3.5 certification track.

    overview: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/cert-vstudio.aspx#tab2 

    Since you're a web developer, you can focus on the following exams:

    Exam 70-562: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Application Development  (check out the preperation materials for available courses and books)
    Exam 70-503: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 - Windows Communication Foundation

    You can also look at an MCPD (Microsoft Certified Professional Developer) track. This means you will have to do multiple exams.

    overview: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/cert-vstudio.aspx#tab3 

    To become MCPD: ASP.NET Developer 3.5 you will need to do 3 exams:
    - 70-536: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework - Application Development Foundation
    - 70-562: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Application Development
    - 70-564: Pro: Designing and Developing ASP.NET Applications Using the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5

    Hope this helps!


    Dimitri C.
    • Proposed as answer by Dimitri C Friday, February 19, 2010 7:29 AM
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:09 AM
  • Dimitri

    Thanks very much for the information.

    So for the 3 exams, i would obtain MCPD certification? correct? I assume that it is perfectly resonable to purchase the books that relate to these exams and study them in my own time and then just sit the exams?

    Thanks once again.
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:26 AM
  • Indeed. Do note that there are some practice-questions in the books (the self-paced training kits). But these questions are actually very simple. The labs in the books are more interesting, and of course playing with it yourself (create a solution and try stuff out you read about in the book)


    Dimitri C.
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:28 AM
  • Dimitri

    I have found 2 of the three books (self-paced training from MS) but i am unable to find 70-564? Is that def the correct one? (using amazon)

    Many thanks again for the posts.

    Forget that, its friday afternoon and my head hurts  ;) Found it.  :)

    Cheers
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:34 AM
  • I have found it, but amazon states it hasnt been released :/
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:37 AM
  • don't worry, by the time you've finished the first two exams, the materials for the third will be available :)


    Dimitri C.
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:42 AM
  • ahh, good man.
    Friday, February 19, 2010 7:42 AM
  • Dear Dale28

    Well, first of all I am not quite sure whether you are only thinking of Developer certifications ?


    IF you are only thinking of different tracks within the MS Developer area  - then .NET does sound like a quite obvious direction for you as Dimitri also suggest :-)

    But maybe think of waiting for the brand new Visual Studio 2010/.NET 4.0 track which are supposed to be released from March 2010 and onwards :-)
    If you are interested in what has been discussed about all these new exams on .NET Framework 4.0 (instead of 3.5) - then maybe have a look at these great MSDN blogs ("hosted" by Gerry O´Brien from MS): http://blogs.msdn.com/gerryo/archive/2009/05/28/visual-studio-2010-exams-are-changing.aspx
    and
    http://blogs.msdn.com/gerryo/archive/2009/10/30/visual-studio-2010-exams-update.aspx

    I do not want to advice pro or cons regarding whether you should go for the .NET 3.5 track like Dimitri mentioned very well - or wait for a little while and go for the new .NET 4.0 track .....it all depends on your wishes and needs (and thereby the same for the market :-) :-)

    But do be aware that MS has claimed that the will NOT develop any material (MS Press Training Kit and/or course materiale for MOC courses and/or MeasureUp exam prep) for the MCPD exams (70-563 and 70-564) - which you can also see in the bogs above. We have as a CPLS center struggled with that for a long time and MS has definitively told us/everyone that they will NOT make these materials, since they are "aiming at" the new VS 2010/.NET 4.0 instead.

    I just wanted to mention all these new opportunities for you - so you maybe in that way can make a decision based on as much info as possible ...

    Another Developer area for you to move towards could though be SQL 2008 Developer ?

    If that could be of interest then I can inform you, that to achieve a MCITP on SQL 2008 Developer, you only need the following 2 certifications:

    70-433 (MCTS)
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-433
    and
    70-451 (MCITP)
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-451

    Another area - which I am not sure is of interest for you - could be the SQL 2008 Business Intelligence -MCITP.
    Business Intelligence is a "hot topic" :-)
    If that could be of interest then I can inform you, that to achieve a MCITP on SQL 2008 Business Intelligence, you only need the following 2 certifications:
    70-448 (MCTS)
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-448
    and
    70-452 (MCITP)
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-452


    These SQL tracks are definitely also great cert. to have and the "market" should appreciate it as well if you get these, I think :-)

    I hope you can use some of this information - at least as inspiration :-)

    If you feel that the info can be categorized as an"answer" you are most welcome to mark it as such, so others can use it as well :-)



    Many warm regards
    Gitte Lund, Microworld
    www.microworld.dk
    www.mscertkit.com
    www.microworldnova.com
    You are welcome to visit my profile on LinkedIn as well and maybe we can connect and help each other networking: http://dk.linkedin.com/in/gittelund
    • Proposed as answer by Gitte Lund Friday, February 19, 2010 8:27 AM
    • Edited by Gitte Lund Friday, February 19, 2010 9:38 AM
    Friday, February 19, 2010 8:05 AM
  • And also something I forgot to mention: take your time in doing these exams. They are not that easy.

    And as Gitte mentioned, take your time to look at the certifications offered. You don't want to spend time learning things and earning certifications that aren't useful to you/your employer/your customer.


    Dimitri C. Please mark the replies as answers if they help! Thanks.
    Friday, February 19, 2010 8:19 AM
  • Hi Gitte Lund

    Thank you for the detailed information.

    I def want to do the .net ASP development route basically because of my background (I have qualifications such as BSC, HND, HNC and Prince2) but even though i have been in the web dev arena for about 7 years, i would class 5-6 of those as main development time, i have not had the chance (money, previous employment etc) to undertake MS cert. I am now living and working in Perth (from the UK org) and i tend to find that a great deal of companies request MS cert, again i am a big believer in continuous learning so i am willing to take this route, plus it can only make me a better coder???

    I have followed .net 4 from a distance, i tend to wait until it has been released and in production for a while until i go down that route, but you def have an EXCELLENT point with regards to the release in march. If this is correct, when will MS be releasing courseware and the exams for this certification?

    Dimitri, thanks for the info yet again  :)
    Friday, February 19, 2010 9:10 AM
  • Dear Dale28

    I am pleased to hear you could use my information :-)

    Here is some more info regarding the exam dates from MS - see below - and the if you follow the link you can also read about the possibility of "beta-testing" these new .NET 4.0 exams if you are one of the lucky ones :-)


    http://blogs.technet.com/betaexams/archive/2010/02/10/free-certification-exams.aspx

     

    Quote:

    When will these be available?

    All but one exam will be available between the dates of March 31, 2010 to April 20, 2010.  Mark your calendars now!  We will also be opening registration earlier for these as well.

    What exams are we talking about?

    70-511 TS: Windows Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-513 TS: Windows Communication Foundation Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-515 TS: Web Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-516 TS: Accessing Data with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-519 Pro: Designing and Developing Web Applications using Microsoft® .NET Framework 4

    70-518 Pro: Designing and Developing Windows® Applications using Microsoft .NET Framework 4 will not be available in this time frame but should be available in the April time frame.

    If you feel that the info can be categorized as an"answer" you are most welcome to mark it as such, so others can use it as well :-)

     

    Many warm regards
    Gitte Lund, Microworld

    www.microworld.dk
    www.mscertkit.com
    www.microworldnova.com

     


    You are welcome to visit my profile on LinkedIn as well and maybe we can connect and help each other networking: http://dk.linkedin.com/in/gittelund
    • Proposed as answer by Gitte Lund Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:47 AM
    • Marked as answer by dale28 Monday, February 22, 2010 12:46 AM
    Friday, February 19, 2010 9:29 AM
  • hi Gitte

    thanks for the detailed info ... yet again... I think this post would be very useful for others.

    Sorry to ask a question again, however from the info and the courses you have supplied, what exams would i need to pass to gain MCDP?

    Cheers, excellent info.
    Monday, February 22, 2010 12:48 AM
  • Dear Dale28

    I have in this posting tried to gather all the info in one (more or less :-)):

    Starting with an overview of the exam track if you choose the Visual Studio 2008/.NET 3.5 Framwork and next the info regarding the upcoming exam track on Visual Studio 2010/-NET 4.0 Framwork:

    Certifications

    MCPD on Microsoft Visual Studio 2008

    If you plan to develop applications by using Visual Studio 2008 and the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, the Microsoft Certified Professional Developer (MCPD) on Visual Studio 2008 certifications can help you validate your skills and abilities. Candidates should have two to three years of experience using the underlying technologies that are covered in the exam. The available certification paths include the following:

    ·         Windows Developer 3.5 for developers who build rich client applications for the Windows Forms platform by using the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5.

    ·         ASP.NET Developer 3.5 for developers who build interactive, data-driven ASP.NET applications by using ASP.NET 3.5 for both intranet and Internet uses.

    ·         Enterprise Application Developer 3.5 for developers who build distributed solutions that focus on ASP.NET and Windows Forms rich-client experiences.

    Windows Developer 3.5 on Visual Studio 2008

    Exam number

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework – Application Development Foundation

    Exam 70-536

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 – Windows Forms Application Development

    Exam 70-505

    MCPD Requirement: PRO: Designing and Developing Windows Applications Using the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5

    Exam 70-563

    ASP.NET Developer 3.5 on Visual Studio 2008

    Exam number

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework – Application Development Foundation

    Exam 70-536

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Application Development

    Exam 70-562

    MCPD Requirement: PRO: Designing and Developing ASP.NET Applications Using the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5

    Exam 70-564

     

    Enterprise Application Developer 3.5 on Visual Studio 2008

    Exam number

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework – Application Development Foundation

    Exam 70-536

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 – Windows Forms Application Development

    Exam 70-505

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, ASP.NET Application Development

    Exam 70-562

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, ADO.NET Application Development

    Exam 70-561

    MCTS Prerequisite: TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 – Windows Communication Foundation Application Development

    Exam 70-503

    MCPD Requirement: PRO: Designing and Developing Enterprise Applications Using the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5

    Exam 70-565

     


    But maybe think of waiting for the brand new Visual Studio 2010/.NET 4.0 track which are supposed to be released from March 2010 and onwards :-)
    If you are interested in what has been discussed about all these new exams on .NET Framework 4.0 (instead of 3.5) - then maybe have a look at these great MSDN blogs ("hosted" by Gerry O´Brien from MS): http://blogs.msdn.com/gerryo/archive/2009/05/28/visual-studio-2010-exams-are-changing.aspx
    and
    http://blogs.msdn.com/gerryo/archive/2009/10/30/visual-studio-2010-exams-update.aspx

    I do not want to advice pro or cons regarding whether you should go for the .NET 3.5 track like Dimitri mentioned very well - or wait for a little while and go for the new .NET 4.0 track .....it all depends on your wishes and needs (and thereby the same for the market :-) :-)

    But do be aware that MS has claimed that the will NOT develop any material (MS Press Training Kit and/or course materiale for MOC courses and/or MeasureUp exam prep) for the MCPD exams (70-563 and 70-564) - which you can also see in the bogs above. We have as a CPLS center struggled with that for a long time and MS has definitively told us/everyone that they will NOT make these materials, since they are "aiming at" the new VS 2010/.NET 4.0 instead.

     

    Here is some more info regarding the exam dates and numbers on the upcoming Visual Studio 2010/.NET Framwork 4 from MS - see below - and the if you follow the link you can also read about the possibility of "beta-testing" these new .NET 4.0 exams if you are one of the lucky ones :-)

    You´ll have to start with the MCTS exam and go further on to the MCITP (Pro) exam – and choose the ”direction” to be either Windows or Web direction J

    Remember that these exams are brand new and still only in ”beta” and MS are still ”allowed” to change these J

    http://blogs.technet.com/betaexams/archive/2010/02/10/free-certification-exams.aspx

    Quote:


    When will these be available?

    All but one exam will be available between the dates of March 31, 2010 to April 20, 2010.  Mark your calendars now!  We will also be opening registration earlier for these as well.

    WhWhat exams are we talking about?

    70-511 TS: Windows Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-513 TS: Windows Communication Foundation Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-515 TS: Web Applications Development with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-516 TS: Accessing Data with Microsoft® .NET Framework 4
    70-519 Pro: Designing and Developing Web Applications using Microsoft® .NET Framework 4

    70-518 Pro: Designing and Developing Windows® Applications using Microsoft .NET Framework 4 will not be available in this time frame but should be available in the April time frame.

     

    If you feel that the info can be categorized as an"answer" you are most welcome to mark it as such, so others can use it as well :-)


    Many warm regards
    Gitte Lund, Microworld

    www.microworld.dk
    www.mscertkit.com
    www.microworldnova.com


    You are welcome to visit my profile on LinkedIn as well and maybe we can connect and help each other networking: http://dk.linkedin.com/in/gittelund
    • Proposed as answer by Gitte Lund Monday, February 22, 2010 6:49 AM
    Monday, February 22, 2010 6:48 AM
  • Superb

    Thank you so much for the detailed information.. excellent, you are both true pro's

    Thanks again  ;)
    Monday, February 22, 2010 7:09 AM
  • Dear Dale28


    thank you ever so much for the nice words ..... I am only pleased to help :-)

    If you feel that the info can be categorized as an"answer" you are most welcome to mark it as such, so others can use it as well :-)


    Many warm regards
    Gitte Lund, Microworld

    www.microworld.dk
    www.mscertkit.com
    www.microworldnova.com

    You are welcome to visit my profile on LinkedIn as well and maybe we can connect and help each other networking: http://dk.linkedin.com/in/gittelund
    Monday, February 22, 2010 7:38 AM
  • Hi Dale,

     

    If you get to the final MCPD exam use the books for 2.0 MCPD exams and then just check what additions are in 3.5 exams.

    These exams are at a higher level and there is not that much difference.

     

    Good Luck,

     

    Ozzy Geoff

    Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:52 PM