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  • XP, Vista 32 and Vista 64 on one machine to test?  One HDD.

    Is that possible?

     

    DiamondT  

    Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:02 AM

Answers

  • Vista has a new boot mgr

    you can create 3 partions and install xp first then install vista

    My laptop has

    xp, longhornbeta,  vista 32 and a vista 64 os on it

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:55 PM
  • Ok here some info for you all about the new Boot process for Vista /Longhorn for the full article go to 

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/library/85cd5efe-c349-427c-b035-c2719d4af778.mspx

     

    What is the BCD store?

    The Boot Configuration Data (BCD) store contains boot configuration parameters and controls how the operating system is started in Microsoft® Windows Vista™ and Microsoft® Windows Server® Code Name "Longhorn" operating systems. These parameters were previously in the Boot.ini file (in BIOS-based operating systems) or in the nonvolatile RAM (NVRAM) entries (in Extensible Firmware Interface–based operating systems). You can use the Bcdedit.exe command-line tool to affect the Windows® code which runs in the pre-operating system environment by adding, deleting, editing, and appending entries in the BCD store. Bcdedit.exe is located in the \Windows\System32 directory of the Windows Vista partition.

    Where is the BCD file located in the registry?

    BIOS-based operating systems. The BCD registry file is located in the \Boot\Bcd directory of the active partition.

    EFI–based operating systems. The BCD registry file is located on the EFI system partition.

    Can any user modify BCD?

    No. You need administrative credentials to modify BCD.

    BCD will work with raid.

     

     

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:02 AM
  • I did it!

    Used gparted boot disk.  Awesome!

    Resized the c:partition to 150gb...

    made a new partition in XP of the unused space of 77gb.

    Formated it in XP.

    XP is totally intact and I did not lose a thing!

    Installed daemon tools.

    Setup the virtual dvd drive of the downloaded Vista iso.

    Installed Vista 32 from within XP fresh install to the new formatted partition. 

    I am responding via Vista!

    and can reboot to XP and do to play BF2 and other stuff...

    Going to download Vista 64 next!

    :)

    Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:42 AM
  • Yes please see my other post.

    Used gparted livecd off of google search.  gparted.  It is on sourceforge.

    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gparted/gparted-livecd-0.2.5-1.iso?download

    burned the gparted live cd to cd.  booted from it.  Worked great!

    You could put it on a usb drive too probably...not sure and boot from it..

    Resized the c: partition from 250 something down to 150...

    Went into XP and rebooted because it saw the difference in size and restarted.

    XP works great. Created new partition in XP disk management.  Nothing lost.

    Then got daemon tools...

    http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/announcements.php

    Used daemon tools to load virtual dvd of Vista ISO.

    Done and works great.  Dual boots easy as pie.

     

    Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:52 AM

All replies

  • I don't see why not - provided you've got at least a 60 or 80 GB hard drive, partitioned three ways with a bare minimum of 20 GB allocated to each.

    A lot of it depends on if the boot loader can handle sorting out the 32 bit and 64 bit versions.

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:05 AM
  • DiamondT,

    One or more OS can be setup for testing in a virtualized environment if you are concerned about affecting other working operating systems on your system e.g. Virtual PC 2004 SP1, Virtual Server 2005 R2.

    Besides hard disk space, lots of RAM memory is essential supported by a CPU with decent speed.

    HTH.

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:54 PM
  • Vista has a new boot mgr

    you can create 3 partions and install xp first then install vista

    My laptop has

    xp, longhornbeta,  vista 32 and a vista 64 os on it

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:55 PM
  • Hey thanks all!  I have a AMD 64X2 and a gig mem.  250 HDD....

    So I will try it and get back to you!

     

    Thanks again!

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:06 PM
  • How do I partition with the new boot mgr since I am using daemon tools to access the image from within windows XP?

    I do not have a burner and don't want to buy the beta Vista dvd...

    Thanks. Sorry for the hassle.

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:13 PM
  • I don't think you can do that with Vista's partitioning routines - AND keep the XP partition you're working with intact. Vista's installer's partitioning routines are like previous versions of Windows - you CAN NOT resize partitions - you can only delete existing partitions, create new ones and then format them for future use.

    If you want to resize and create new partitions, you would most definitly need a 3rd party aftermarket utilty like Paragon Partition Manager or Partition magic or something similar.

    So what it boils down to is you've got three options. Neither of them are pretty or exactly free.


    1.) Burn the images either by buying a burner ($50+/-), or copying the ISO to an external USB drive, taking it to a friend who has a burner and having him/her burn it for you. Then backing your current data up and starting over by wiping out everything on the hard drive and reinstalling XP to a smaller partition followed by installing Vista to your other partitions.

    2.) Get ahold of aftermarket partitioning software (Paragons partition manager personal edition is $49.95 US), then redo your partitions and install Vista 32 and 64. Paragon's web site is

    http://www.paragon-gmbh.com/

    3.) Get ahold of the Virtual PC app and install Vista 32 and 64 in virtual machines.


    #1 is excruciatingly painful - requiring a full on blow out of everything. There's an excellent chance of data loss going this route.

    #2 is reasonably priced, preserves your data and would give you the option of running Vista in it's native state.

    #3 works, preserves your data - but the caveat is that it will be run slower than it needs to be. This is also the most expensive. While you can get a 45 day trial version of Virtual PC 2004 from Microsoft, the full product is $129.  AND you'll also need XP Professional. XP Home won't work with it.


    Given this beta cycle is going to be longer than 45 days, it would be quite a waste of time to try the demo version.

    My 2 cents worth - get the Partition Manager and resize the partitions. When you've finished with the beta and no longer need the extra partitions - you can remove them and expand the main partition back to full size.

    Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:47 PM
  • Thanks!
    Monday, June 12, 2006 5:58 AM
  • Silly me - there IS a 4th option - maybe. Depending on how many drives you've got now.

    Option 4 - buy another hard drive, install it and setup Vista on that one.

    Depending on the size of the drive - it could set you back anywhere from $50 to $150. But it would preserve what you've got with XP now, plus give you extra space.

    The only possible caveat here is if you've already got 4 EIDE/PATA drives and no place to put them on that chain - and have no SATA capability. And if that's the case, then you would need a PCI SATA card.

    Monday, June 12, 2006 6:16 AM
  • how do i get da new boot manager? i have 2 partitions. 1 for x and 1 for vista. it wont give me a boot manager. i cant select an OS on bootup. how do i get da manager 2 work? HELP

     

     

    Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:11 AM
  • Well.. If you install XP on partition 1, and install Vista on partition 2, Windows should automatically configure the boot.ini file to give you the choice of which OS to launch.

    Myself, I've got things done a bit differently. I've got a 200 GB SATA drive which has XP loaded on it, and I've got Vista loaded on a 20 GB EIDE drive. My BIOS allows me to assign boot priority so I can boot the machine from SATA or EIDE depending on which OS I'm planning on using.

    Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:32 AM
  • there was no boot.ini file tho there is a bootmgr file, which windows says its a system file. then i went 2 sys properties, advanced, startup and recovery. when i click on settings there only one choice 4 an operating system and no button 2 edit da boot.ini file.

    ps - i dont know if this makes a difference, but i forgot 2 mention that my pc is raid 0.

    Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:44 AM
  • Jaytf:

    Is there a way to change the current partitions on my drive without losing files from using setup within XP  using the fresh install option with the ISO setup as a vitual cd?

     

    Thanks

    Diamond.

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:46 AM
  • Ok here some info for you all about the new Boot process for Vista /Longhorn for the full article go to 

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/library/85cd5efe-c349-427c-b035-c2719d4af778.mspx

     

    What is the BCD store?

    The Boot Configuration Data (BCD) store contains boot configuration parameters and controls how the operating system is started in Microsoft® Windows Vista™ and Microsoft® Windows Server® Code Name "Longhorn" operating systems. These parameters were previously in the Boot.ini file (in BIOS-based operating systems) or in the nonvolatile RAM (NVRAM) entries (in Extensible Firmware Interface–based operating systems). You can use the Bcdedit.exe command-line tool to affect the Windows® code which runs in the pre-operating system environment by adding, deleting, editing, and appending entries in the BCD store. Bcdedit.exe is located in the \Windows\System32 directory of the Windows Vista partition.

    Where is the BCD file located in the registry?

    BIOS-based operating systems. The BCD registry file is located in the \Boot\Bcd directory of the active partition.

    EFI–based operating systems. The BCD registry file is located on the EFI system partition.

    Can any user modify BCD?

    No. You need administrative credentials to modify BCD.

    BCD will work with raid.

     

     

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:02 AM
  • I do not understand do you want to install vista on current partition

    like

    c drive is xp now make c vista and d xp ?

    or do you want to keep c  as xp and add vista as d ?

     

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:05 AM
  • Vista does support some rudimentary volume re-partitioning / re-sizing on a basic disk, although it is not yet clear if the feature will stay. Check out this link here for more info:

    http://www.thelazyadmin.com/index.php?/archives/445-Whats-New-in-Vista-Volume-Resizing.html#extended

    HTH.

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:54 AM
  • thanks everyone,

    I'm still looking for a way to change the boot startup lable there so far no way to edit the bootmgr if I find away I'll surly post it.

     

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:59 PM
  • You can run a least 3 different operating systems that I know of but I must admit it took a little work. I had my original windows xp running on my system. Asus P5WD2-E motherboard 3.2 Dual Core, 2gig MEM, with a raid 0 of 500 gig. I used Portion commander to break the portions 3 ways. From there it was easy But 1 big problem Asus has 2 raid controllers Intel ICH7R South Bridge and Marvell 88SE6141

    DO NOT try to load the Marvell drivers they will load but when the system reboots it will come to a halt. You can as of now only use the Intel drivers and yes the Intel windows XP 32 bit and the 64 bit drivers work with vista.  If you’re using SoundBlaster Audigy 2 sound card the 64 vista drivers from creative labs don't work but the 32bit drivers work fine. Anyway I hope this helps anyone....   

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:21 PM
  • That is because Vista doesn't use a boot.ini file anymore.  It only has a bootcfg file so that you CAN dual boot with pervious versions of Windows.  Vista uses BCD as posted before.
    Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:27 PM
  • here how to change Making Changes to the Boot Configuration Data


    Before making any changes or attempting to use the commands below, run the command bcdedit or bcdedit /enum all to make sure that you use the correct GUID tag. These have been seen to change from build to build and it may be necessary to use {ntldr} instead of {legacy} for example.

    bcdedit /set {legacy} Description “Windows XP Professional SP2” Changes the text description of the “Legacy” OS line in the boot menu. The quotation marks must be included in the command

    bcdedit /set {current} description "Windows Vista Build 5270 x86" Changes the text of the boot menu line for the Vista or non-Vista installation one is currently booted to, from the default "Microsoft Windows" or other description to that shown in the quotation marks

    bcdedit /set {5189b25c-5558-4bf2-bca4-289b11bd29e2} description “Windows Vista Build 5270 x64” Changes the text of the boot menu line for any other Vista installation. One must use the GUID for that particular installation as shown when one runs the bcdedit or bcdedit /enum all command

    bcdedit /default {current} Sets the current Windows installation one is booted to as the default Windows boot OS

    bcdedit /default {5189b25c-5558-4bf2-bca4-289b11bd29e2} Sets the referenced Windows OS as the {default} Windows boot OS

    bcdedit /default {legacy} Sets the legacy (Windows XP) OS as {default} boot item

    bcdedit /displayorder Sets the display order of boot menu items for example:

    bcdedit.exe /displayorder {legacy} {current}

    bcdedit /timeout 15 Changes the default 30 second time-out of the boot menu to 15 seconds or any other value inserted.

    Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:18 PM
  • Thanks I'll give it a try tonight and let you know how it goes...
    Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:41 PM
  • i did get this article from someone else and it did help a little. i was able to create a new entry and edit the properties using the set command.

    so when i rebooted it did give me a menu2 choose from but when i selected windows xp it said it could not find da drive or folder listed in the properties.

    i have two issues:

    first one is that i dont know if i did the right thing by creating a new entry. i named da description "windows xp" and it gave me an ID. i also set the inherit property to ntldr, path to d:\windows, device and os device i set to d:\.  (D:\ is the letter of my second partition)but bcdedit would not allow this. Y?

    this is my second problem. when the boot manager loads it seems to assign the first partition C: then it assigns D: to the first dvd drive, E: to the second one. then it assigns F: to the second partition. soooooooo. i changed the drive, osdrive and path to letter F: but then it says it cant find it.

    HELP

    now i did c in da article a section on how 2 install a previous version of windows on a pc already running vista. i'm thinkin of going in that direction. it goes like this:

    To install a previous version of Windows onto a computer running Windows Vista

    1.

    Install the previous version of Windows.

    2.

    Log on to the older operating system and restore the latest boot manager by running the following. Fixntfs.exe will be in the \boot directory of the active partition.

    fixntfs /lh

    3.

    Create a BCD entry for the older operating system by specifying the following. Bcdedit.exe is located in the \Windows\System32 directory of the Windows Vista partition. Description is the description of the new entry for the older operating system.

    Bcdedit /create {legacy} /d “Description

    Bcdedit /set {legacy} device boot

    Bcdedit /set {legacy} path \ntldr

    Bcdedit /displayorder {legacy} /addlast

    4.

    Restart the computer in order for the changes to take effect.

    What do u guys think? anybody?

    PS - also i am not able to run bcdedit  from command promt in windows so i have 2 run DOS from reboot

     

    Friday, June 16, 2006 2:57 AM
  • Actually either would be good.  I just want to make a new partition on the HDD that I can install Vista into without loosing my XP.  XP is currently on C and I want to be able to resize the partition and create another one to put Vista into so that I do not disturb the current XP operating system.

    Does that make sense?

    I do not own a third party partition manager.   I found some open source ones but do not trust the ability to keep the current XP without loosing data or keep the system open to allow Vista to install itself into a new partition using the two open source partition managers.  They may leave behind their own boot manager that may hinder Vista's own boot mgr.  They appear designed to allow multiple OS operations and I am too nervous to try them.  They do not mention Vista...just Linux which I do not have or want. 

     

    Friday, June 16, 2006 3:17 AM
  • ok i set up da multiboot with bcdedit. i have da legacy os as default (ntldr). it has the path set as \ntldr, but there is no such path in my win xp partition. should i b pointing 2 a different folder? maybe in \windows\system or something?

    also, do i need to point 2 da d: partition where my win xp is located using device or osdevice commands?

     

    Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:20 PM
  • NTLDR should always be in the root of the partition where XP (or Win2k or NT4 for that matter) boot from. I.e. it should be in C:\ or D:\ and not \Windows\system.

    You might need to adjust your folder options (Tools | Folder Options) in Vista or XP by un-hiding the Hidden Operating System files. Under normal circumstances - Windows hides protected OS files (kinda like a built in root kit) from people so, one would expect newbie users (or malware) won't do something daft - like deleting critical system files like NTLDR thinking they might free up some disc space.

     

    Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:24 PM
  • Ok.  So  I bought a DVD burner and Vista ISO is done and works fine.

    So, now how do I create a partition for Vista to install into.

    Without ruining my current XP partition and files....there is at least a hundred GB free space in the c: partition.  There is already another partition that carries the restore portion of the HP files.  It is not big enough.  Partition Logic did not work. (open source)

    Thanks.

    Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:55 AM
  • This is what I also need. Did you find a solution for installing Vista, and keeping Windows XP intact?
    Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:56 PM
  • Turns out, you've got a bit of a catch-22 situation here. It would seem that Vista's disk management service HAS some rudimentary basic drive resizing features. The problem is you need to have Vista fully installed to use it. So... It's absolutely no help here.

    The Vista installation routine does NOT allow for resizing and reallocating partitons without destroying them entirely. You can DELETE an existing partition, CREATE a new one or new ones, FORMAT and select them for installation - just like EVERY other version of Windows prior to it.

    Therefore, at the risk of repeating myself, you've got 3 options:

    1.) Get a 3rd party partion manager (one that actually works) like Partition Magic or Paragon's Partition Manager 7. (see the link in my previous post)

    2.) Get Virtual PC and install Vista in their own virtual sandboxes.

    3.) Get an extra internal hard drive if you've got the room.


    1.) If you get a good product that actually works, you can redo your partitions in relatively short order and preserve your data. I've used an older version of Hard Disk Manager from Paragon multiple times and it's saved my proverbial bacon plenty of times. HDM 6 is no longer available, but I keep my copy handy in case I need it.

    2.) As I said before Virtual PC is $129 for a single user copy. Not cheap - nor pretty. It's slower than running Vista in "native" mode. Especially if you've got a lot of overhead going on in the XP Pro host.

    3.) If you've got room, you could get an extra internal hard drive and install Vista to the new drive. This can set you back anywhere from under $40 for a cheap 40 GB EIDE/ATA drive to over $350 for a monster Seagate 750 GB SATA drive. This way, you never have to touch the XP partition. Each version of Vista is effectively confined to it's own space.


    As far as Partition Logic is concerned, never really heard of it, used it or have any experience with it. I suppose you've found out how well it doesn't work.

    There are other partitioning tools out there - Partition Commander from V-Com is like $39.99 on the web. Partition Magic - which is now owned by Symantec - is $70. Partition Magic use to be THE defacto tool to use - until Symantec bought them out. Given Symantec's other purchases, and the degrade in the quality of the products in question following their purchase, I find it hard to recommend. There are plenty of other programs out there. I have a feeling tho you will need to plunk down some cash for a good one that won't trash your data.

    Or, you could go with the Virtual PC route - You install it, then you create a new virtual computer and install Vista there. The hitch here is that if you've got a lot of stuff running in the background from startup - antivirus, Windows Defender Beta, popup blockers, etc, et al, ad nauseum - your Virtual PC's performance is going to suffer.

    Or you could install another drive - preferably big enough for Vista and stuff you might want to install with it. 20 GB would be the absolute bare minimum partition I would use - therefore a 40 GB drive would be the smallest I would recommend. It's a relatively cheap solution and you don't have to muck about changing your partitions. The only caveat with having a really small partition - Vista takes up about 9 GB fully installed. Yup. 9 GIG. That's for just the bare install - no Office, nothing else but Vista. If you go with a dinky partiton, you would be best off running Disk Cleanup on a REGULAR basis.

    There you have it. I can't think of any other solutions that will preserve your current XP install AND give you room to install and play with Vista.

     

    Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:53 PM
  • I did it!

    Used gparted boot disk.  Awesome!

    Resized the c:partition to 150gb...

    made a new partition in XP of the unused space of 77gb.

    Formated it in XP.

    XP is totally intact and I did not lose a thing!

    Installed daemon tools.

    Setup the virtual dvd drive of the downloaded Vista iso.

    Installed Vista 32 from within XP fresh install to the new formatted partition. 

    I am responding via Vista!

    and can reboot to XP and do to play BF2 and other stuff...

    Going to download Vista 64 next!

    :)

    Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:42 AM
  • Yes please see my other post.

    Used gparted livecd off of google search.  gparted.  It is on sourceforge.

    http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gparted/gparted-livecd-0.2.5-1.iso?download

    burned the gparted live cd to cd.  booted from it.  Worked great!

    You could put it on a usb drive too probably...not sure and boot from it..

    Resized the c: partition from 250 something down to 150...

    Went into XP and rebooted because it saw the difference in size and restarted.

    XP works great. Created new partition in XP disk management.  Nothing lost.

    Then got daemon tools...

    http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/announcements.php

    Used daemon tools to load virtual dvd of Vista ISO.

    Done and works great.  Dual boots easy as pie.

     

    Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:52 AM
  • Can the Vista Operating system and the Office 12 application be deployed in partitions, or how about seperate HDD's? So they can be tested properly without interfering (in anyway) with any of the settings of XP/x86/x64 architecture; including Office 2003 and any other 3rd party apps. Is this possible to do now with one PC? I have several SATA ports and 4x legacy PATA/IDE's (e.g 1x SATA 250gb, 2x 80gb PATA drives). I also have Intels Virualisation onboard the 65nm Dual core CPU, 975 express chipset. failing that I have MS virtual PC 2004. Can anyone suggest the best solution, the one with the least problems attached? I know it's a big ask! Please can someone help!
    Friday, June 30, 2006 7:53 PM
  •  JAYTF Security Forum Moderator wrote:

    Vista has a new boot mgr

    you can create 3 partions and install xp first then install vista

    My laptop has

    xp, longhornbeta,  vista 32 and a vista 64 os on it

    Can the Vista Operating system and the Office 12 application be deployed in partitions, or how about seperate HDD's? So they can be tested properly without interfering (in anyway) with any of the settings of XP/x86/x64 architecture; including Office 2003 and any other 3rd party apps. Is this possible to do now with one PC? I have several SATA ports and 4x legacy PATA/EIDE's (e.g 1x SATA 250gb, 2x 80gb PATA drives). I also have Intels Virualisation onboard the 65nm Dual core CPU, 975 express chipset. failing that I have MS virtual PC 2004. Can anyone suggest the best solution, the one with the least problems attached? I know it's a big ask! Please can someone help!

     

    Friday, June 30, 2006 7:56 PM
  •  rojoda wrote:

    You can run a least 3 different operating systems that I know of but I must admit it took a little work. I had my original windows xp running on my system. Asus P5WD2-E motherboard 3.2 Dual Core, 2gig MEM, with a raid 0 of 500 gig. I used Portion commander to break the portions 3 ways. From there it was easy But 1 big problem Asus has 2 raid controllers Intel ICH7R South Bridge and Marvell 88SE6141

    DO NOT try to load the Marvell drivers they will load but when the system reboots it will come to a halt. You can as of now only use the Intel drivers and yes the Intel windows XP 32 bit and the 64 bit drivers work with vista.  If you’re using SoundBlaster Audigy 2 sound card the 64 vista drivers from creative labs don't work but the 32bit drivers work fine. Anyway I hope this helps anyone....   

    Can the Vista Operating system and the Office 12 application be deployed in partitions, or how about seperate HDD's? So they can be tested properly without interfering (in anyway) with any of the settings of XP/x86/x64 architecture; including Office 2003 and any other 3rd party apps. Is this possible to do now with one PC? I have an ASUS P5WD2-e Premium MOBO with several SATA ports and 4x legacy PATA/IDE's (e.g 1x SATA 250gb, 2x 80gb PATA drives). I also have Intels Virualisation onboard the 65nm Dual core CPU, 975 express chipset. failing that I have MS virtual PC 2004. Can anyone suggest the best solution, the one with the least problems attached? I know it's a big ask! Please can someone help!

    Friday, June 30, 2006 8:10 PM
  • Sure. You can install each OS on it's own hard drive or even partition. Though, keep in mind, each installation of Vista/XP/Longhorn/whatever is going to need it's own install of Office 2007, plus any other app.

    A rather good solution would be to install (at least) the OS while the target drive is the only hard drive on the system. Once it's installed, you can reconnect other drives and let Vista add them to drive management after the fact. Note: this is only useful if you can set the boot priorty for a given drive in the BIOS.

    Saturday, July 1, 2006 7:47 AM
  • OK, many of you must have tried to dual boot Vista with XP on a single single HDD on a different partition.
    Now to edit the bootloader there's an easy way , by using EasyBCD

    http://neosmart.net/software.php

        "EasyBCD is NeoSmart Technologies' multiple award-winning answer to tweaking the new     Windows Vista bootloader.
        With EasyBCD, almost anything is possible. Setting up and configuring Windows boot             entries is simple...EasyBCD is geared for users of all kinds. Whether you just want to add     an entry to your old XP partition or want to create a duplicate for testing purposes; if you're     interested in debugging the WindowKers nel or hectuple-booting your seven test operating     systems, EasyBCD is the key......"

    So one can try this.
    But how you have removed Vista & restored XP bootloader? Please let me know.

    But if you are using EasyBCD ,there's an option
    "Bootloader Installer Option" where you can Uninstall the Vista Bootloader to restore your XP .
    & Later delete the partition where your Vista is loaded.

    What are your views on removing Vista without using the EasyBCD.




    Sunday, November 5, 2006 4:45 PM
  • Hi guys, i've been reading the posts but haven't been able to find a solution for my problem.

    I've been trying to find the file Fixntfs.exe but whenever i type Fixntfs /Ih  all i get is the answer : "'fixntfs' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
    operable program or batch file.:

     

    What i'm trying to do is to restore the old boot information so i can start with vista again, i've had vista installed on this laptop but figured that i wanted xp as well and installed it after.  I'm using one harddrive with two partitions.

    I'm running Vista ultimate and now i've installed windows XP professional.

     

    And when i searh for Fixntfs.exe i can't find it on the harddrive.

     

    Does anyone know why i'm having these problems

    Friday, June 1, 2007 3:53 PM
  • Hi Guys,

     

    I have Windows Vista installed on my new laptop. The hard drive I have has two partitioned, C: 100GB (Vista Installed in it) and D: 20 GB. Can I install Windows XP on D Drive? What exact steps do I need to follow.

     

    Regards

     

    MuhNav

    Monday, June 11, 2007 6:31 PM
  •  

    Hi Guys,

     

    I have Windows Vista installed on my new laptop. The hard drive I have has two partitioned, C: 100GB (Vista Installed in it) and D: 20 GB. Can I install Windows XP on D Drive? What exact steps do I need to follow.

     

    Ok... Let me see if I've got this right. You've got a brand new laptop and it's got Vista installed on the main partition, and you've got another partition that's 20 GB. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 20 GB partition - isn't that your RESTORE partition??

     

    Now then, you MAY possibly get away with installing XP on it, but there are some questions you will want to ask ahead of time.

     

              1.) Do you have the original restore disks supplied by your laptop's vendor?

              2.) Are there Windows XP drivers for EACH and EVERY bit of hardware available for the features you've got in the laptop?

              3.) Do you have a retail copy of XP available for installation?

              4.) Do you have a previous version of Windows available? (if you've got an XP upgrade disc)

     

    There are darn good reasons you should ask these questions BEFORE you start doing anything. If you don't have the restore discs and you overwrite the restore partition with XP, and should you ever need to go back to Vista, You may be quite up the proverbial creek without the proverbial paddle. Since you didn't mention the vendor, I can't speak for 100% certainty, but, having dealt with a few vendors in the recent past, I do happen to know they can be quite anal retentive about what they consider as "acceptable" as to what you can do with YOUR laptop.

     

    Sony, as an example, insists that you do NOT upgrade their laptops. Should you upgrade, say, the memory in your Sony laptop and return it to them for service (say, you've lost a key on the keyboard),  you will want to remove the added memory because they will NOT go through the trouble of removing the extra memory. They will simply place the laptop into a pile and ship you another one that's been refurbished. Before sending ANY laptop in for "service" you need to have a full backup. When I contacted them with regards to this situation with a client's laptop, they were most distressed that the laptop had a copy of Windows XP Home installed on it. The laptop originally came with Windows ME and they almost did not want to deal with me.

     

    Secondly, BEFORE you install XP on the laptop, you need to do some thorough research to make sure there are XP drivers available for everything that comes with your laptop. I've come across a few stories recently where people have tried to install XP on brand new laptops with Vista, only to find there were NO Windows XP drivers available for various components contained in the laptop. And if you don't have the restore disc mentioned above, you may be in a world of hurt should anything go wrong.

     

    Third, you'll need a retail copy of XP Home or Pro. And most likely a full (not upgrade) version. The XP (upgrade) install procedure will detect other versions of Windows installed on the laptop and will likely complain about it - especially considering it's a newer version of Windows. The upgrade version will be expecting an older version of Windows installed on that partition - so you'll need a Windows 9x/ME CD.

     

    The reason for the "retail" version of XP - the EULA prohibits installing it on anything other than the original computer. You CAN move a retail license to any other machine - provided you remove Windows from the other computer. With an OEM license, you're stuck with the machine it was originally installed and activated on. That CD key is permanently linked to that machine and that machine ALONE. It's also likely linked to the manufacturer of the original hardware. Case in point, if you're thinking of using a CD key from an IBM/Lenovo or Dell laptop and you're migrating to a Gateway laptop, the license will NOT work.

     

    Now then, if you've got all of these covered, then you should be able to get XP installed on the D: partition.

     

    First, you'll need to insert the XP CD into the optical drive. Make sure you've got the laptop set up to boot from there first, then the hard drive. Boot the laptop and when it comes up with the message about booting from the CD, press a key to start the CD boot process. This should load the familar blue screen of installation. If you've only got an upgrade to XP CD, when you get to the part where it wants to know if you've got a previous version of Windows - insert the 9x/ME CD and let it detect it. Replace the XP CD when it prompts you to and continue with the installation. At some point, it will ask you where you for a destination for the XP installation. Be sure to point it to the 20 GB D: partition. You should do a quick-format of the partition before installation.

     

    From this point forward, it should be a simple case of letting the installer do it's thing. When it's done, you can remove the CD and you should get a boot menu which will ask you which version of Windows you will want to run. Be sure to install the drivers for any of the hardware not automatically installed from drivers you've downloaded from the web ahead of time. If you're still missing something, you should still be able to log into Vista and grab the driver(s) through there should you not be able to get on the 'Net with XP.

    Monday, June 11, 2007 11:57 PM
  • Thanks a Lot for your detail reply. Yes the D drive is the restore partition. Can't I install XP on this? I have backup disk plus retail copy of Windows XP. The only reason I need XP is to run the Cisco VPN. The company I worked for doesn't support Vista. When I tries to install Cisco VPN, it says it has known compatibilitees issue wit Vista and cannot be installed.
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:50 PM
  • Thanks a Lot for your detail reply. Yes the D drive is the restore partition. Can't I install XP on this? I have backup disk plus retail copy of Windows XP. The only reason I need XP is to run the Cisco VPN. The company I worked for doesn't support Vista. When I tries to install Cisco VPN, it says it has known compatibilitees issue wit Vista and cannot be installed.

     

    Ok... Did you read my entire post? If you've got the disks then yes, you could do it.

     

    But there's a possibly simpler solution - Have you considered installing XP as a virtual machine? There are a few options available - VMWare and Microsoft Virtual PC 07 just to name a couple. Microsoft's product is free and there's even a free version of VMWare's product.

     

    The beauty of using this - you can install everything without having to wipe out your D: drive, removing Vista, or anything else. You can even make a backup copy of the virtual machine's pseudo partition which is nothing more than a file that you can stick on a CD, DVD or network drive and can be restored when/if your initial XP partition gets trashed by simply restoring the file.

     

    You can read more about these products here:

     

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

    and here

    http://www.vmware.com/products/home.html

    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM
  • So you’ve gotten into a Dual boot Scenario in Windows Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7 or Server 2008R2.

    And you just discovered that there seems to be no easy way to edit the entries.   You can change some of your defaults with MSCONFIG and Delete entries.  If you’re fluent in WMI you can do a lot in that aspect.  Especially if you like Powershell which can navigate WMI as easily as it can navigate directories.

    But just HOW do you edit those silly names?

    In a Dual boot (or triple if you’re getting REALLY fancy on us) it gets more than a little confusing with all the entries called “Windows 7”

    But it’s not difficult.  And it’s not a nightmare.  It’s actually on some levels VERY easy.  

    You just need to be introduced to the utility.  Run from Command line.  Very powerful.   Incredibly effective. 


    Thanks and u have good day, Sachin MCP|MCTS|MCITP|
    Friday, May 22, 2009 8:11 PM
  • World.   Let me introduce you to BCDEDIT.  BCDEDIT say hello to the world.

    Step one.  Start the Utility.

    If you’re going to work with BCDEDIT, you need to run it with Administrative Privileges.  In a command prompt of course.

    BCDEDIT is actually a little daunting at first when you run the BCDEDIT /? to see what it can do.   It’s powerful.   Here is the output and what’s in store for you.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    BCDEDIT - Boot Configuration Data Store Editor

    The Bcdedit.exe command-line tool modifies the boot configuration data store.
    The boot configuration data store contains boot configuration parameters and
    controls how the operating system is booted. These parameters were previously
    in the Boot.ini file (in BIOS-based operating systems) or in the nonvolatile
    RAM entries (in Extensible Firmware Interface-based operating systems). You can
    use Bcdedit.exe to add, delete, edit, and append entries in the boot
    configuration data store.

    For detailed command and option information, type bcdedit.exe /? <command>. For
    example, to display detailed information about the /createstore command, type:

         bcdedit.exe /? /createstore

    For an alphabetical list of topics in this help file, run "bcdedit /? TOPICS".

    Commands that operate on a store
    ================================
    /createstore    Creates a new and empty boot configuration data store.
    /export         Exports the contents of the system store to a file. This file
                    can be used later to restore the state of the system store.
    /import         Restores the state of the system store using a backup file
                    created with the /export command.
    /sysstore       Sets the system store device (only affects EFI systems, does
                    not persist across reboots, and is only used in cases where
                    the system store device is ambiguous).

    Commands that operate on entries in a store
    ===========================================
    /copy           Makes copies of entries in the store.
    /create         Creates new entries in the store.
    /delete         Deletes entries from the store.
    /mirror         Creates mirror of entries in the store.

    Run bcdedit /? ID for information about identifiers used by these commands.

    Commands that operate on entry options
    ======================================
    /deletevalue    Deletes entry options from the store.
    /set            Sets entry option values in the store.

    Run bcdedit /? TYPES for a list of datatypes used by these commands.
    Run bcdedit /? FORMATS for a list of valid data formats.

    Commands that control output
    ============================
    /enum           Lists entries in the store.
    /v              Command-line option that displays entry identifiers in full,
                    rather than using names for well-known identifiers.
                    Use /v by itself as a command to display entry identifiers
                    in full for the ACTIVE type.

    Running "bcdedit" by itself is equivalent to running "bcdedit /enum ACTIVE".

    Commands that control the boot manager
    ======================================
    /bootsequence   Sets the one-time boot sequence for the boot manager.
    /default        Sets the default entry that the boot manager will use.
    /displayorder   Sets the order in which the boot manager displays the
                    multiboot menu.
    /timeout        Sets the boot manager time-out value.
    /toolsdisplayorder  Sets the order in which the boot manager displays
                        the tools menu.

    Commands that control Emergency Management Services for a boot application
    ==========================================================================
    /bootems        Enables or disables Emergency Management Services
                    for a boot application.
    /ems            Enables or disables Emergency Management Services for an
                    operating system entry.
    /emssettings    Sets the global Emergency Management Services parameters.

    Command that control debugging
    ==============================
    /bootdebug      Enables or disables boot debugging for a boot application.
    /dbgsettings    Sets the global debugger parameters.
    /debug          Enables or disables kernel debugging for an operating system
                    entry.
    /hypervisorsettings  Sets the hypervisor parameters.

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    “Oh my!” you eyes pop open as you wonder how you’ll ever put a leash on this beast.   But it’s not so scary.

    Really there’s only a few options I’ve had to learn to work with to get the control I need.

    Really.  That’s it.

    BCDEDIT /COPY (To make copy of an entry to work it)

    BCDEDIT /DELETE (To delete an Entry)

    BCDEDIT /SET (To set information within an entry)

    So how do we use them?  I’ll try and keep this as simple as can be.

    First you run in that Command Prompt a BCDEDIT /V to see what entries you do have.

    What you’re seeing is the equivalent to the old “BOOT.INI”  The top half marked “Windows Boot Manager” is similar to the old [boot loader] section

    [boot loader]
    timeout=30
    default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

    The next section marked “Windows Boot Loader” is the equivalent to the individual lines you used to have under the [operating systems] entry in “BOOT.INI” like below

    [operating systems]
    multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect


    Thanks and u have good day, Sachin MCP|MCTS|MCITP|
    Friday, May 22, 2009 8:12 PM
  • So the basics. 

    First off, we’re going to make a copy of an existing entry and work with that copy.

    You’ll notice in each entry displayed by BCDEDIT is a line marked “identifier”.  Since we’re editing entries for bootable operating system, we’re going to copy a “Windows Boot Loader” entry.

    The process is dead simple.   Execute a

    BCDEDIT /COPY {SID} /D “Name of New Entry”

    where the {SID} is the unique number to the right of the identifier line in the “Windows Boot Loader” entry you wish to copy and “Name of New Entry” is the description you wish to give that Entry.

    The end results can be viewed with a BCDEDIT /V command

    IF you wish delete this entire “Windows Boot Loader” entry just execute a

    BCDEDIT /DELETE {ID}

    And now all your work is gone. (or done depending on how you view it)   Personally I prefer to use MSCONFIG to delete the entry.  Somehow feels a little safer.

    But I’m hoping this takes a LITTLE mystery out of the BCDEDIT command.  There’s a LOT more you can do with this.


    Thanks and u have good day, Sachin MCP|MCTS|MCITP|
    Friday, May 22, 2009 8:15 PM
  • thanx
    • Proposed as answer by psycho22y Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:52 PM
    Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:52 PM