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    Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:51 PM

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  • I like the changes.  You? 
    • Merged by Alex T Jr Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:18 PM General comments about UAC
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:57 AM
  • Personally I'm perfectly fine with Vista's UAC.  Turn it off during install of software, turn it back on and I hardly ever see it again.  Similar to how I hardly see the UAC on my Mac.  But it appears I'm in the minority on this.  ;-)
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:13 AM
    Answerer
  • You're not the Lone Ranger, Susan.  I'm perfectly fine with Vista's UAC too.   ;)
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:27 AM
  • Susan Bradley said:

    Personally I'm perfectly fine with Vista's UAC.  Turn it off during install of software, turn it back on and I hardly ever see it again.  Similar to how I hardly see the UAC on my Mac.  But it appears I'm in the minority on this.  ;-)

    Well I'm not running as a STD user yet, so I guess I need to experience that first.  But I do like the fewer confirmations on moves, deletes, computer mgmt, etc.  Regarding turning UAC off, I've never actually done that.  I routinely turn off the secure desktop, but that's it.

    Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:57 AM
  • This installation of Windows 7 beta is the first Windows I've used in 64-bit.  I have used 64-bit Linux, but am coming from a Vista 32-bit system.  I know there are many factors here that can create problems with drivers, such as digital driver signing and the fact most 32-bit drivers don't work on 64-bit systems.

    So far, all of my items are at least working.  There might be a few minimized features of some devices, but they all work.  Not to mention, all of these device drivers are not available for Windows 7 on the hardware company's website (not a surprise).  Some devices are even from before Vista, yet Windows 7 found drivers for all of them!

    I am very happy with my system so far, Windows 7 beta has made my first experience with 64-bit very pleasant!

    P.S. Some of the devices are:

    HP DeskJet 920c (went to device manager, update device driver, search internet, finds and installs)
    Trendnet TBW-105UB bluetooth dongle (before I had to install the driver on Vista, this worked immediately)
    PPA 1165 esata expresscard (worked just fine!)
    Cmedia audio for my USB speakers (was really worried about this, but did the same as the printer and it works!)

    • Merged by Othorvath Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:20 AM
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:21 AM
  • Hi CheesyBeef

    Thanks for the feedback. I had a similar experience.

    I was particularly impressed since this is only beta 1 that were using.

    Regards,



    Ronnie Vernon MVP
    Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:49 AM
  • clean install, quick, no issues, updated all drivers correctly on first log on! Runs faster and smoother.

    Is this really an Microsoft product?

    (Just one thing tho!  IE8 is poor and doesnt work...  Off to that forum to report the bug...) 

    Overall, Well done up to now MS chaps! 
    • Merged by Othorvath Friday, January 16, 2009 1:29 PM
    Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:32 PM
  • I am fine with UAC in Vista as well. The new changes to UAC are nice but not something I'd upgrade for. This doesn't mean I won't be upgrading :-) So far I'm really liking 7.

    Turning UAC off during a software install may cause problems if the software is not Vista compatible. Turning UAC off disables the virtual file and registry features. When you turn UAC back on the application may fail because it needs to write to a file or key in a restricted area. If you had installed it with UAC (and the virtual store) on during the install it may run fine.
    Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
    Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:09 PM
  • I completely agree, the new UAC is amazing. I've hated UAC, made a point of turning it off on each Vista installation immediately due to the incessantly annoying nature of it however... UAC in 7 has meant decreased UAC presence on my laptop being a possibility through the control panel UI. I like being able to control what UAC can do, not just 'on or off', well done Microsoft.
    Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:17 PM
  • I didn't have problems with UAC on Vista, but I HATED it on Windows Server 2008. I always turned it off on servers. From my casual observation, I don't see much of reduction in promts in W7.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 1:17 AM
  • What I see is Vista with some updates and some different interface themes.

    This does not appear to be anything new, rather just Vista with a new name to appease the masses who have bashed it.

    And of course a chance to sell something that should be a free update.

    Not that I do not like it, it is just simply nothing wonderfully new and improved that should be called the next OS from Microsoft.


    Bob
    • Merged by Othorvath Friday, January 16, 2009 1:29 PM
    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:09 AM
  • Windows 7 could be called Windows Vista 1.3. It's vista the way it should have been.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:14 AM
  • There's much more to an operating system than it's interface... Just because the GUI seems similar to Vista (despite being way more polished) doesn't mean it's a tiny upgrade.

    Amusing how if there are drastic interface changes (xp->vista) there are often complaints about it being too different. Too similar of an interface (vista->7) leads to nothing new complaints. And in both cases there is no thought about behind the scenes changes (kernel differences, etc). Oh well... guess this explains how WEX always gets the front row booths.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:28 AM
  • A lot of people seem to be saying that, without considering that the updates from Windows Vista to Windows 7 are far more substantial and worthwhile than the ones from 95 to 98 or from 2000 to XP.

    There's also no consideration for the fact that Windows Vista has a very bad (and undeserved) public reputation. They can apply all the fixes in the world to Vista, but they can't fix the world's misinformed opinions about it. They really do need to move away from Vista's negative image, and Windows 7 allows them to do that.

    And let's be realistic. Microsoft is a corporation. It is in the business of making money. I don't expect them to give me free, new software every year any more than I expect Sony to give me a free PS3 just because I own a PS2, or for Intel to give me their latest and greatest processor just because I'm a good customer.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:34 AM
  • I do not disagree.

    After plucking down $1600 for 4 copies of Vista Ultimate I would hope for something really new of the future OS.

    Not just a name change and some changes to make the old program into a new program with a different name.

    I absolutely agree that Vista has a bad rap (I love it and I sell it), and I do not see this product changing that, the naysayers out there are on a roll and will jump on this product with comments just like mine, only their comments will be malicious.

    MS did not counter the negative comments about Vista when they had a chance before it got out of control and they will have to fight the battle again.

    Thanks for your reply.

    Bob
    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:53 AM
  • Windows Vista came how many years after XP? About 5 give or take. How long has it been since Vista came out? Less than 2 years. Vista was a major release, Win 7 is not. If I was in charge of MS, I would come out with the next release of Windows as soon as possible since Vista did not get a good reception overall. Main priorities in this release; fix what was wrong, increase hard ware compatibility, tweak the interface and most definitely give it a new name.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 4:01 AM
  • Akame-san said:

    A lot of people seem to be saying that, without considering that the updates from Windows Vista to Windows 7 are far more substantial and worthwhile than the ones from 95 to 98 or from 2000 to XP.

    There's also no consideration for the fact that Windows Vista has a very bad (and undeserved) public reputation. They can apply all the fixes in the world to Vista, but they can't fix the world's misinformed opinions about it. They really do need to move away from Vista's negative image, and Windows 7 allows them to do that.

    And let's be realistic. Microsoft is a corporation. It is in the business of making money. I don't expect them to give me free, new software every year any more than I expect Sony to give me a free PS3 just because I own a PS2, or for Intel to give me their latest and greatest processor just because I'm a good customer.


    Hmmmmm.....
    Vista got it's bad public rep because many people paid good money for a disappointing product. The 'world's opinion' didn't evolve just because people felt like being malicious... Vista got its rep because so many people who bought it were very disappointed with it.

    MS may be in the business of making money, but (I think) they learned a good lesson - don't create a product and expect the public to pay big bucks for it just because it's new. We can tell when something isn't done right. The public reacted reasonably by downgrading to XP and not buying Vista after word-of-mouth got out.

    I think I'd have to believe that there was some kind of weird, large-scale conspiracy to account for why so many people didn't like Vista and are now saying that Windows 7 is what Vista should have been.

    It makes much more sense to take the public reaction seriously. Vista seems to have been released prematurely and at this point (especially after seeing the WIN 7 beta and reading the public responses to it) it seems obvious that Vista was unsatisfyingly incomplete. Windows 7 appears to be the more 'finished' release of a new OS.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 4:06 AM
  • As many have noted above, I didn't have much of a problem with UAC in Vista, as it didn't seem to get in the way one initial system configurations had been completed.  On the other hand, I think the changes made in 7 will be far less intrusive to the standard (read: non-power) users of the world.  As long as this functionality still provides the security improvements from Vista I think there will be less desensitizing of users to the prompts in 7, maybe people will "think before they click" more with this release.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 7:28 AM
  • Hi,
    thak you for any things.
    I am downloading Windows 7 beta 32&64bit now.
    thank you for your new Product .
    bye.
    • Merged by Othorvath Friday, January 16, 2009 1:29 PM
    Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34 AM
  • Certainly another positive over Vista.
    The fact that the UAC can be scaled to a users needs/ability is a big plus.
    I still turn it off though! lol
    Monday, January 12, 2009 1:20 PM
  • Akame-san said:

    There's also no consideration for the fact that Windows Vista has a very bad (and undeserved) public reputation. They can apply all the fixes in the world to Vista, but they can't fix the world's misinformed opinions about it. They really do need to move away from Vista's negative image, and Windows 7 allows them to do that.


    Vista's bad public reputation isn't completely undeserved. I have been with Windows Vista since the end of the betas, through the RCs and then bought Windows Vista Ultimate. Windows Vista was a horrible OS at the start, but a majority of the problems were not a direct result of anything Microsoft did. Vista was a substantial enough change from XP that hardware numerous hardware companies (notoriously in this nVidia) didn't update their drivers so you had reviewers and people like me suffering random slowdowns and a million other problems from bad GPU and in my case memory controller drivers.  That said Vista concentrated on a GUI improvement, and didn't necessarily show the improvement on the kernel and other backend issues more tech related people often care about.  Windows 7 is not a GUI overhaul from Vista, instead it's the backend improvements making it more efficient, leaner, and a better overall OS experience and one that better uses the hardware available.  Apple's current OSX upgrade (Leopard to Snow Leopard) is mainly conquering these same kind of upgrades over the GUI ones.

    Monday, January 12, 2009 3:53 PM
  •  I prefer Windows Mojave :-)
    Monday, January 12, 2009 4:03 PM
  • tkotech said:

     I prefer Windows Mojave :-)



    isn't that Vista. LOL
    Monday, January 12, 2009 4:10 PM
  •  
     I also am very very impressed and might even change my outlook on vista if this is it's replacement. Since most of my equipment was 3 years old sb600 south bridge x2 processor I thought this was gonna be a headache but to my surprise it wasn't hard to figure out. I really enjoy the self repair of the windows system in case it gets borked by bad drivers. Which happened to me like 10 times. After a quick repair it was off to the races again.
     There are still problems with drivers for say SB600 and raid controllers, ATI 4850 beta driver just won't install for me even after turning off the driver signing in windows 7. But I am very impressed with how this version doesn't nag about security and it seems to be really stable. Even on an overclocked x2.
     Windows 7 just might me make the switch to a better 64 bit operating system. Since I beta tested Windows x64 pro and had little trouble there as well I think I am liking the new speedier feel to Windows 7 and just might get this version as well.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 10:41 PM
  • With my beta experience on Vista to Retail Vista, also having to deal with peoples issue with there retail versions. I have to say, Windows 7 does indeed take the cake, so far only ran into a few small problems but nothing drastic enough to make me think otherwise. This is probably the most stable beta I've tested so far as well O_o.

    Windows Vista beta was a nitemare, but still liked it evidently enough to say stuff it to Xp lol.

    I'm just hoping the kinks and problems get worked out or a majority of them any way before it hits the shelf. But I can defiently see this will be the OS to get for sure.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 11:34 PM
  • I'm also very impressed.
     
    The only thing that didn't work 100% perfectly out of the box when I installed Win 7 was my Wacom tablet, and the only problem with that was a lack of acceleration for the mouse accessory.
    Monday, January 12, 2009 11:45 PM
  •  I agree with 'volock' that Windows 7 is a much better 'system' than Vista. Just because it has a few similarities to Vista interface doesn't make 7 just a cheap Vista "upgrade". Forget about Vista and really work this Windows 7 beta on its own turf. That's what we're here for, right! THIS IS A BETA! Try it or not. Even at this stage, IT IS more efficient, faster, and leaner than Vista! I think microsoft has made a great leap forward with Win 7. Here you guys are, bashing Windows 7 for this and that compared to Vista, and because it has come out too soon after Vista's initial release! Give me a break! If you really want to compare Windows 7 to something constructive, compare it to XP Pro. I'm a die hard for XP, and Windows 7 has my interest. Eyes wide open! After all, if Microsoft stays on track here..., Windows 7 will overwhelmingly replace more XP systems than Vista systems. 

    MULTIBOOT, and work, play, work and play...
    Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:05 AM
  • Kensei72 said:

    Certainly another positive over Vista.
    The fact that the UAC can be scaled to a users needs/ability is a big plus.
    I still turn it off though! lol

    amen to that!.  I like the fact a user can scale it to their needs without messing up the installation of new software.

    robin

    Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:41 PM
  • I like the new UAC as well.  
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:32 AM
  • Nice post, Sayyed. It's a rare occurance for someone to thank anyone for anything.  Have a nice day.
    It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged and unfortunate among us.
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:36 AM
  • Hi Sayyed

    I echo the comment from C.B.

    Thanks for the positive feedback and enjoy Windows 7.



    Ronnie Vernon MVP
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:53 AM
  • Well so far I am VERY impressed, it's a huge improvement over Vista SP1.   Performance is as good, if not slightly better than XP, eye candy is great, the search works much better, and actually does not drive me nuts liked Vista used to.


    I have had very few problems to report.   My x64 desktop install worked a treat, there was a rather long delay when launching setup (after setting the regional and keyboard settings), it looked liked it had hung, but it eventually got there (after about 5 minutes), clearly some feedback that things are working is needed.  This is a clean install (not a upgrade)

    The resulting install was great, very speedy.   Standby and power management is broken (as is vista), because I my Microsoft intellimouse keeps waking the system from sleep/standby due to it's over zealous IR sensor, I have to untick the "allow this device to wake up my computer" for it to stay in hibernate/suspend.  Asus P5B motherboard  MS Intellimouse Explorer.

    I noticed the SATA score is considerably lower in the System ratings, than Vista, which is worrying....


    My laptop 32bit install works just as well, and again is a huge improvement over vista.  Again the HDD score has plummeted, This was a upgrade from Vista SP1.  After install, I started getting BSOD, caused by Kaspersky virus scanner, which I had to uninstall.  The power management on this laptop (Sony Vaio AR51E) works very well using the Sony Vista drivers.


    All in all a very excellent beta, and something I feel is already a huge step forward over the absolutely horrendous Vista.  My only concern is how much I am going to get robbed to upgrade from that turkey,   Surely Microsoft should be paying US for putting up with it for 2 years :-)

    Keep up the great work, and looking forward to future betas, and a final release.

    • Merged by Othorvath Friday, January 16, 2009 1:28 PM
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:15 PM
  • The hard drive score in WEI is a known... issue? I'm not sure if it's considered a bug or if it's by design, though.
    It has to do with whether or not your drive has write caching enabled.

    Power Management in Windows 7 seems twitchy for a lot of people. I'm a little frustrated with it myself, as it worked fine for me in Vista, and when I check the Event Log it just gives me an oh-so-useful "Wake Source Unknown".

    Otherwise, though, I'm every bit as impressed as you are. A big improvement over the Vista SP2 beta, and outperforms XP by leaps and bounds on my machine (as opposed to Vista, which only outperformed XP by leaps. No bounding.)
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:24 PM
  • I have to agree with you! But if you could/would, please send things like that using the "Send Feedback" button but the minimize button, so that it goes directly into the dev teams database. : )
    And I believe the SATA score is lower because the tests now look for latency.
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:27 PM
  • I'm not going to say I ever liked the Vista UAC.  But then again, you either mess with UAC or you mess with viruses/malware.  Hmm... I'll mess with UAC.  The W7 changes are welcome though.  I just hope that the average user doesn't crank it to the bottom and leave it there.  There is a good reason for it to notify you when it does most of the time.
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:34 PM
  • My WEI also gave me a down score to my HDD, lower than my score in Windows Vista. In Vista the score was 5.9 and now in Windows 7 Beta the score is 3.
    Is this score intentional or a bug?
    Thank you for your time.

    Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:51 PM
  • I think Windows 7 is fantastic. My die hard XP Pro dad messed with my PC for 2hours today, we went to the local PC Parts Store built him a nice Quad Core RIG and now, he is Beta Testing Windows 7. That is saying a lot, this is the same man that did not swap from 98SE to XP until 2004!

    Two Thumbs Up For Windows 7!

    GMKosMos
    Tyler Smithey

    Currently Testing Windows 7 Beta: 4 Systems built the same: 1Win7 ~ 2Vista Ultimate X64 ~ 1XP Pro/XP Pro X64 Dual Boot Box AMD X4 Phenom II 940, 8GB Corsair XMS2, EVGA 730a Motherboard, EVGA 9800 GX2 SCC, 2x500GB 32MEG Cache Seagate SATA Drives in Raid-0, 2x1TB WD SATA Data Drives, 6xHP w2207h HDMI LCD, 52" Mitsubishi LCD TV, Antec 900 Case, Antec TPQ 1000w PSU, 2 Sony BluRay Burner Drives.
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:44 PM
  • I have only been able to use it in a virtual machine ( all other attempts at install or upgrade have failed) but I would say it looks like a Vista upgrade rather than a new system.

    I don't think it is fair to evaluate it in a virtual machine.

    I plan to do a clean install (i.e. no dual boot or upgrade ) next week and I think that will work. We shall see...

    I will say that after my upgrade attempt failed (twice) it restored Vista with no problems at all. Thanks thanks to whoever was responsible for that code. Great work. I was very pleased...

    George
    Friday, January 16, 2009 12:59 AM
  • So far I find it much better than Vista. It's more polished. It's very stable and stays very responsive. Now that I have modded x-fi drivers there's literally nothing stopping me from using it all the time.

    I only wish Microsoft would put more GUI customization ability such as right click context menus. I'd like to easily add my own options not mess with registry entries or use 3rd party applications.
    Cheers Tom
    Friday, January 16, 2009 4:38 AM
  • So I really like W7, it's lean, mean, fast, and very stable. Way to go MS! But I must say that IE8 is a total piece of you know what. Launching IE is very slow, opening a new tab takes forever, and I often get browser hangs or tab crashes.

    It seems like the same team that developed Vista got put on IE. I realize IE8 is beta too, but the quality difference betwen W7 core OS and IE8 is really astounding. In fact, I could see MS going straight to RC0 and RTM in short order with W7, except for the fact that IE8 seems lightyears behind. I wouldn't be shocked if the poor quality of IE8 held up W7 RTM.

    I do most of my surfing a XP VM with IE7, which is vastly faster and more stable.
    • Merged by Othorvath Friday, January 16, 2009 1:28 PM
    Friday, January 16, 2009 6:13 AM
  • I'm finding the exact opposite on Windows7, but when I tried IE8B2 on Vista felt exactly the same as you.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:39 AM
  • I disagree.

    IE8 works faster for me than IE7 in XP.
    And 64-bit IE8, even faster.

    If you don't like the slow load for a new tab, then set new tabs to be a blank page.
    Go to Tools-Internet Options. In the 'Tabs' section click the Settings button.
    In the 'When a new tab is opened' section select 'A blank page'.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:46 AM
  • I'm glad it has the slider.  I turned it off in Vista because I was tired of having it come up every time I visited the control panel.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 8:23 AM
  • The speed is fine for me, but it does crash quite a bit, and it doesn't always reopen the right tabs when I try to restore the session after a crash.  If it does, I have to wait a while as it attempts to laod all of the tabs simultaneously.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 8:27 AM
  • I like it but the defaults from the huge tasbar (large icons) to the lask of text on taskbar icons (always combine) caught me a little off guard, and I didn't initially realize you could pin programs to the taskbar causing me to frantacly search for the quicklanch option.

    In short, I was ambushed by the interface.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 8:59 AM
  • All I can say is WOW

    I beta tested both XP x64 and Vista x64 and had nothing but problems in getting all my hardware to install I decided to try x64 Windows 7 on two systems, the system i used for the vista trial and an Intel dual core Laptop and on both systems Windows 7 installed all of my hardware during the install i didn't need to touch a thing

    it even found and installed my WIFI drivers in my laptop that even retail Vista struggled with.

    The desktop based system is running great and the laptop is running so much faster with this Beta on it compared to Vista

    if this is the shape of things to come all I can say is well done Microsoft things are looking Good keep it up.

    Friday, January 16, 2009 3:25 PM
  • I absolutely love Windows 7. There is more than that pretty GUI going on here folks. This is not Vista reincarnated. I 've been testing this for more than six months , and still haven't seen the BSOD yet. Enjoy. I can only hope for better thing from here on out.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
  • This is Vista like I would like it.
    It is Fast and seems reliable to me.

    I do have an issue for the networking component, but, it looks good at first sight.
    I run W7 on an older machine (AMD3500) and it responds much quicker than Vista does. If this is what Windows 7 will become, I am in.
    Microsoft can do a little more on the graphics. Like it is now, there is too little change and since most people don't see the work under the hood, there will be little people be convinced to upgrade.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 4:30 PM
  • The little use of 7 I did was for me a good experience of Windows (the better since I decided to move to Apple in fact).

    Two drawbacks nevertheless : some preinstalled applications don't work, and IE8 is catastrophic ! I'm developing websites, using W3C standards. In "normal" mode, the Acid2 test is passed (not the Acid3), but pages what appear correctly on other browser (IE7 too) don't. In "compatibility mode", it's almost OK. So it's not a problem for me ; Safari and Firefox work perfectly !

    So thanks for this beta.

    Friday, January 16, 2009 5:05 PM
  •  @Susan

    I am with you.  I have absolutely no issue with Vista's UAC.  It is only there to protect users--even the so called "power users."  During most day-to-day activities, it never intrudes.  Actually, I set my Win7 boxes to mimic Vista's UAC behavior.  Seeing the UAC shield lets me know what to expect.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 5:14 PM
  • My experience with Windows 7 Beta has been very positive so far. All the software I use on a regular basis installed without problems and runs great. Love the libraries for documents, pictures, music, video. That was a great idea! The improvements to Media Center alone make this new OS something more than just a "Vista SP2". I really don't want to go back to Vista.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 6:41 PM
  • I must say iv had a few problems with this system but i do like it, its so much faster i cant wait for it to come out in the shops i just hope its not over priced like vista ultimate. with the amount of cash microsoft makes they should be able to sell o/s at half the price and would prob reduce to amount of people using dodgy copy's of the o/s
    • Merged by Othorvath Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:41 PM
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:04 PM
  • On the whole, this is as Vista should have been. There are a few things I don't like about it and if they were to make these UAC changes available for Vista I would use Vista for my Media Center machines. I paid good money for Vista only to have to go back to XP. My HP laptop came with Vista and so I figured I'd see if I could get used to it. Was great at some things but lousy in others (UAC). The Win7 upgrade went without a hitch on it but I can't say the same with my desktops. Neither would update but the clean installs went without a hitch and the installation speed was phenominal.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:20 PM
  • Well, my machine a Lenovo R61 with 2GB RAM. My video is Quadro NVS 140. A very good machine in my point of view. It has a lot of proprietary software from IBM and Lenovo and I did update my Vista Business with Windows 7 beta.

    The result is a working machine, with everything working and I'm not going back to Vista! NO WAY!

    Ok, now more serious, the update went perfect. The only thing that did not work was my Medal Of Honor game, because some 3d dll crashed. But in a few seconds I notice an update for NVidia drivers and after that, not only the game was working, but SETI now detects CUDA drivers on my video board! Amazing!

    I've noticed a few bugs, like Aero looses the capability to do transparent windows on the borders. Not always but sometimes. Closing the msn message window from the right-button of the mouse, the menu does not disappears, etc. Not severe bugs, but a few more things to tune.

    Overall I love it more than Wista and I must say (like others did before) that Windows 7 has some features that should had been shipped with Vista! TRUE! And I'm waiting for WinFS now for Windows 7! DON'T FORGET THAT ok??

    I see here and on other thousands of forums, complaint about Vista this or Vista that. My driver does not work for this, or some other issue. I advise you all that has this kinda problem to UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE your drivers from the manufacturer. You have my example with this computer. IBM and Lenovo are serious manufactures and they don't play with customers, shipping lousy drivers and bad bad bad software.

    Before you buy, take a look at the vendor update and download's page and ask for support, to see if they have tickets or email and forums support. Also see if they have updated drivers.

    I've had some problems too in the past with bad company's. But the choice is yours!

    Now I'm waiting for new versions of W7 because not only of the looks, but essentially from whats behind the scenes.


    Adelino Araujo
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:26 PM
  • Microsoft finally got things right here, use it with firefox and  thunderbird mail.   slicker then whale's snot
    • Merged by Othorvath Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:41 PM
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:40 PM
  • Everyting can't be 100% right as this is in beta. =D
    Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
  • installed very quickly and smoothly on a toshiba laptop and a compaq desktop.

    no major crisis, everything loaded, drivers etc.

    only problem that I had was trying to connect to a wireless network, but sorted it out fairly quickly.

    I love the new taskbar, very efficient.

    Programmes load so much quicker in Windows 7 than in Vista. I am actually working on my computers rather than sorting out problems.

    Windows 7 is a big improvement over Vista in my opinion.

    RIP Vista Hello Windows 7
    Friday, January 16, 2009 9:34 PM
  • Per my thread in the UI forum, Aero Shake needs to have some kind of animation assosciated with it, or at least a tooltip pop up when the windows go away - I thought it was a bug and didn't know it was part of the OS.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 9:59 PM
  • My perceptions are that Win 7 is going to wipe XP off the face of the earth. I Beta and RCed Vista and stuck with XP Pro. Recently (Oct) I installed Vista Sp1 on my test box and then did the SP2 Beta. That is a vast improvement.(Vista Sp2). But when I put Win 7 64 bit on the same machine with all being equal-Oh my gosh-what an improvement.  I have XP Pro 64; Vista Home Prem Sp2 64; Ubantu and now Win 7 64 on the same box as a quad boot. And the best in overall performance?: Win 7 Beta  I have faith that the IE 8, Win  Live Essentials, Taskbar,Start Menu and Media Player bugs will be worked out before an RC or Beta 2 MS-awesome at the moment.  ALSO-I hope that most of the complainers about it not being more like XP or Vista or whatever close their traps and move forward. This is a Beta and it IS better. But then again, how amny can get into the code and see the underlying changes? Chill naysayers and wait a few months for our thoughts to be implemented and for them to refine. All will be surprised, I am quite sure.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 10:07 PM
  •  

    Hello

    Windows 7 Beta is a lot better than Vista ultimate and Windows 7 32bit is a Beta
    the Beta seems to be more compatible with old XP programs, one more thing I have make windows 7 look different then Vista if u can the vista look is old,, Iv install windows7 on my laptop Toshiba Satellite A135-s2386 works good on that a smooth install .one thing I need to do is to see if it’s good for Gaming I’m all so trying windows 7 64bit on a Dell XPS 420 with a Ati 2600HD graphic card, 4gb of Ram sound blaster X fi gamer card   not as smooth some drivers missing but got it to work ok,,a lot better than the Vista ultimate 64bit that was on there and the OS that was on their windows pro MDS 32bit this did not cut it but,, 7,, did . These windows 7 needs to come out before Oct. like I say make it not look like Vista there you go..The Networking seems to be ok I have like 4 other computers window 7 is working better with multi OS I have a Linksys wifi N network also I like how it seen my wifi network as I’m installing it very cool..this is a much need system,,, iv beta test Vista it sucked slow and crash my systems,, got to say wow this beta seem more stable then vista that is out now good work,, but know one going to get it though at this price like vista’s pricing lots well be very mad just because lots did switch to get Vista are u going to price it lower than the vista now? I have all of your OS from 3.1 to window7.. I’m Hard core Microsoft but To  put faith back with Microsoft will be hard yes I feel Vista did hurt you and it will be hard to say windows 7 is better than XP and Vista I have a friend that said to me that he will never  be switching from Xp to vista his online game well run bad,,, final fantasy online  then I told him of windows 7 he Said the same thing to me ill never switch even when windows xp as no more updates to give out..Crazy yes but most do think this way. one more thing I think U should put Zune software into windows 7 aswell,, and thank u for reading this..

      

     

    • Merged by Othorvath Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:40 PM
    Friday, January 16, 2009 10:15 PM
  • I love this beta so far, and if things continue in this fashion I'll definitely get the final version when it comes out.

    It installed flawlessly, detecting all of my hardware right away and not requiring me to install myself.  It seems to run much more quickly on boot/shutdown.  So far I've not encountered any incompatibilites or had any crashes.

    As to the interface, there seems to be quite a controversy going on about the task bar.  It seems that the majority on this forum don't like it and want the opportunity to have "classic mode".  Speaking as an average home user, I love the new taskbar and I think that most home users will as well, once they are acclimated to it.  But, as every user uses their machine differently and has different preferences, it would be a good idea to include options for more customization.  Too many options would make it too confusing for the average user, but there is still room for more individualization.

    Overall, in the brief period I've been testing it, I'd give it an A.  Of course, since it's a beta, features may change and be added or removed, so I may post feedback later if I find anything is lacking or is even better.

    Thank you for giving us the opportunity to test this software and hopefully do our part to make it even better.  As a home user (albeit with lots of experience and a passion for messing around with things), I'm hoping to give some input from the average consumer rather than more technically advanced people who may have different needs.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 10:30 PM
  • Vista was good - as long as you purchased new hardware for it - I still remember almost exactly the same comments about Windows 95....

    Windows 7 is Vista with the rough corners taken off - and it's brilliant.  I've only found one thing that doesn't work properly so far (Win7 VHD disks - post in another forum).

    But, why oh why let the marketing bods name products?  Using the year as the version was the worst example - I still get people referring to 'Windows 2007' when they mean Office..

    If you look at the NT Kernel version , Vista is NT 6.0 and Windows 7 is erm NT 6.1

    Why?????

    (Hopefully Beta 2 or the RTM will be available before 1 Aug 2009 - let's not have a repeat of 'Chicago' / Windows 95 where an update disk had to be sent out to extend the beta period!)
    Friday, January 16, 2009 10:47 PM
  • You can read the detailed reason why the Win7-Kernel is named 6.1 and not 7 at the Windows Team Blog. The main reason is compatibility for applications.


    Quote:
    We also had the lesson reinforced when we applied the version number in the Windows Vista code as Windows 6.0-- that changing basic version numbers can cause application compatibility issues.
    So we decided to ship the Windows 7 code as Windows 6.1 - which is what you will see in the actual version of the product in cmd.exe or computer propertie


    Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:42 AM
  • So far so good! i love Windows7. I haven't had any problems with it so far. It's a lot faster then Vista. It's also very stable. I will definitely be upgrading!
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:21 AM
  • really impressed so far.  I installed it on a cheap compaq I bought back in 2005-- msi ms-7184, sempron 3400+, 1GB ram, geforce 6600 w/256MB gfx ram-- and with all the bells and whistles it runs at least as fast as XP on the same machine.  boots and shuts down way faster, though I don't have as much software installed on win7.  far, far easier on the eyes.  I haven't even had any driver issues, which is a lot more than I can say for XP-- I had a hard time tracking down an smbus driver when I did a clean install of XP a while back, but win7 got everything right from the start.

    the only thing I've had a really disasterous time with is the WMP library, but it's about what I expect from a beta.  itunes runs almost perfectly (hangs a bit on the occasional file operation) so I'm not really missing anything anyway.

    all this leads me to wonder if the people calling win7 nothing but a superficial tweak of vista have ever actually used vista.
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:01 AM
  • I took the plunge with my high hopes and confidence and installed Win7 on my work machine.  No dual boots... just blew away XP (with the hesistant approval of our IT guy... I had to get his buy in so he could add me back to our domain).  Call me bold or stupid, but I did it.  I was that excited about experiencing Win7 and what I projected to be incredible improvements to my daily computing.  This decision is very significant because not only did I do this on a work machine, but I'm also a software engineer.  This means, that all the tools that I used before, better work on this new OS: VS2005, VS2008, SQL 2008 Express, Expression Suite, SQL Developer, Eclipse, NetBeans, WRQ Reflection, Office 2007, StarTeam, ClearCase and Cisco VPN, Office Communicator and Live Essentials (Messenger)...

    So, it's been about a week since I took this plunge and what are my impressions?

    I love it and I really can't complain!  All the applications I mentioned above work, which saves me from going to Plan B(go back to XP).  The biggest hurdle was probably getting VPN to work... which will give you a cycle of BSOD on restarts if you don't install updates and the appropriate version... but very essential to me working from home, when I need to.

    So what do I like about it?
    - I really like the new taskbar.  I think it makes a lot of sense to just have the applications represented once and a context for all the running instances.. as well as the very nifty way of showing you the window.
    - I like the notification area.. it just seems cleaner and uncluttered.
    - I also like the default size of the taskbar... if you haven't noticed, it is taller, by default, but I'm used to making my XP/Vista taksbar a similar height so I can see the date (not just the time).
    - I like the MRU in the taksbar
    - I also like the manageability of the UAC but the Vista UAC never bothered me as much as other people did
    - The new Calculator is pretty slick
    - Process Explorer still works on it!
    - CA eTrust worked seamlessly with it (required by our IT to be installed).. at first, I was thinking of installing OneCare or Kapersky.
    - IE8 works much better on Win7 than it did on XP... somehow, on XP, launching IE8 and then immediately clicking on the search box made IE8 unresponsive for about a second or two (even with no add-ons)

    So what don't I like about it?
    - At this point, I still feel like tip-toeing around... not tangible reason, really
    - Live Mesh doesn't work great with it, in terms of the UI... which is a big let down :(  When I run the mesh desktop software, you lose the "glass" in Aero
    - Sometimes, the "glass" regions start to render black... and in more rare occassions, the whole screen starts to render junk.  I don't know when it happens (but I'm trying to figure that out), but my first thoughts on it is that it's related to running dual-screen on relatively high resolutions.  I get around it by just right-clicking and doing Personalize, which seems to reset the theme.
    - Getting Cisco VPN Client installed was a bit of a challenge with a few scares along the way because of the BSOD

    well, it's 2 in the morning... i better go back to bed.. but one more thing.  just my $0.02, I think a majority of people underestimate what it takes to build software, let alone an operating system designed for the masses.  it just seems senseless that amount of effort that people take to bash software (namely vista).  with that said, i could careless if win7 is a permutation of vista.  i personally like vista... i game with it at home (x86) and use it as a media center (x64) and have had no problems with it, whatsoever.  But the constant comparison to Vista and/or saying Win7 is not a real O/S bears very little significance to me becase at the end of the day, I think Win7 will deliver what I want it to, as a power user and a developer... I can maybe see the point of having to pay for it especially if you've already dished out the $$$ for vista but really, you paid for a product (in Vista).  That's it.. the product didn't say that "in 2 years, win7 will come out and you won't have to pay for that".  I do find it amazing how quickly Win7 is here but you know what, I'm very glad and I'm a happy camper.







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    Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:30 AM
  • it is a very good experience. a big step of microsoft.
    • Merged by Othorvath Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:40 PM
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:36 AM
  • So far fantastic! Boot up and shut down times have at least halfed, and i am running half the ram to usual (2gb atm) because bf is borrowing one stick.


    Very quick, missed the easy 'classic look' on control panel, but listing all control panel itesm works ok.

    Taskbar takes a bit of getting used of, but should be ok.

    Overall soooo much quicker than vista, just hoping i dont have program compatablity issues, and hoping for a discount on windows when it comes out retail =D

    Good Jobs guys, so far so good =d
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:16 AM
  • I dont think that anything can replace Windows XP in near future, so why dont they enhance XP instead of making new operating system from scratch. Windows XP is something u can trust blindly.
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:10 PM
  • alright I agree! But now I wanna uninstall it, do you know how to do it?
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:54 PM
  • The Startup speed is much much faster than Vista, have Vista64 (Don´t use that SH*T to slow) I´m impressed..
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:52 PM
  • I am loving windows 7!!

    my first reservation was, could they really make; using and browsing multiple windows that much easir and forcing me to use the new features. I had this reservation because vista did have some of the features that windows 7 has for example clicking one button to show desktop but i never got used to using them. However windows 7 does make this a lot easir to use and I becoming more used to the idea of using all these little things that  makes life just a little better... so thank you MS, keep it up and learn from your vista mistakes please!

    Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:29 PM
  • This is just a remake of Windows Vista. I'm sure am glad I did not pay money for this POS OS.
    The drivers don't get install correctly. And its just the most terible all around OS I have ever used.
    Back to using Linux after I had installed for less than an hour.
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:23 PM
  • Honestly, who cares about changes to how WEI is computed? Isn't WEI supposed to be used to compare different hardware running the same operating system? So, as long as you compare WEI for systems running Windows 7, is it that important if WEI(7) < WEI(Vista)?
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:25 PM
  •  Regardless of what the detractors say, Windows 7 is a big improvement over Vista.  First thing I noticed is that it cut the boot time in half.  I used to be able to do a lot of things away from the computer while Vista Home Premium 64-bit booted.  Now I barely make it out of my chair and Windows 7 is ready.  And it's very light on resources, more than half of what Vista used.  Just those two things alone make if well worth my while.  But then, I'm working on a brand new computer with 8GB of RAM and top line video and audio cards, so that may have something to do with it.

    Yes, OneCare doesn't work, but Avast 4.8 Home Edition does, it's free and Morro will be out soon and I'll switch to that.

    All in all, I love it and can't wait for final release and I'm not going to ask Microsoft for a free upgrade either. 


    If all is not lost, where is it?
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32 PM
  • Just wanted to say that this beta is a terrific improvement over Vista.  The boot and shutdown are indeed much faster than I had hoped for.  The inttall on my laptop was incredible, all the drivers were included - even for my network printer!  While I may still upgrade the RAM on my laptop (believe it or not, Ultimate is running decently with just 512MB), I must conclude that you have done something right - very right.

    Thank you for making this beta publicly available.  Can't wait to see how it evolves.
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:38 PM
  • Just upgraded Windows Vista to Windows 7. Have the system running on a dual boot setup, Have had XP Home on one drive with Windows Vista on the other drive. Was intending to switch over to Vista after a good test run with Vista, never did as I was very disappointed with Vista when it was released, so I never did switch over to Vista I keep using XP as my primary operating system.

    Was expecting to have a crash when I updated Vista to Windows 7 or even lose the Dual Boot setup at the start up screen, never happened.

    Installed like a charm no errors or lockups, all the drivers installed perfectly. First look around the operating system not bad..... I find it a little more friendly to use  have not seen any problems as of yet. I'm sure I will thought, I will try and break it LOL
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:09 PM
  • Have been checking out Seven for a few days now and I love it.
    NO bugs so far.. all the software goes on fine. Seems to have
     adequate codec, boots quick and the GUI upgrades are great.

    --------------

    Running HP DV9408nr


    • Merged by Othorvath Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:20 AM
    Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:44 PM
  • Great instal of 64 bit. Everything went off withoput a hitch (well almost) I have 6 HDD in this rig and the set-up read them all and gave me CHOICE!  I don't have to climb in the box and unplu every thing. Updated my 7600 Gt video, my Intel 965 board, loaded for my HP psc 2610 all-in-one and almost everyhting else.  The only problem I had was that that on reboot after the install finalization (or my first true boot) I ended up having to unplug my IDE DVD drives. However, on the next boot-no problem. Just a line for all nay sayers and  compairers to mac or linux and whining:


    The seeds of today are the flowers of tomorrow



    and that will be my byline now
    Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:02 AM
  • Vista is good, Windows 7 is much better
    Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:26 AM
  • Vista was OK on powerful machines, XP was better and Windows 7 so far appears to be even better yet, the speed and small footprint is major plus especially for UMPCs. So far the only major complaint is that the default user should have access to their entire computer and not need permission from their operating system to add or delete files from their device. Other than than that, given that this is just a beta and not all drivers have been updated to this OS yet, I am very pleased with Windows 7.

    For those that think that this is a Vista update, I don't know code but, I don't see the connection, its faster, smaller and a lot of drivers designed for Vista won't work with Windows 7, sounds like a new OS to me. But then if it is just an update, who cares? It works and it works better, isn't that what updates are supposed to do?
    Sunday, January 18, 2009 1:28 PM
  • I love homegroup :) 

    It was easy to set up and does exactly what I have been waiting for, enabling me to share files easily between my laptop and my PC.
    Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:02 PM
  • Kerry_Brown said:

    I am fine with UAC in Vista as well. The new changes to UAC are nice but not something I'd upgrade for. This doesn't mean I won't be upgrading :-) So far I'm really liking 7.

    Turning UAC off during a software install may cause problems if the software is not Vista compatible. Turning UAC off disables the virtual file and registry features. When you turn UAC back on the application may fail because it needs to write to a file or key in a restricted area. If you had installed it with UAC (and the virtual store) on during the install it may run fine.


    Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience


    One thing I will say is that this is counter-intuitive for many users I've talked to. Most people equate UAC to "that prompt that pops up when I click on a button with a shield icon" and are completely unaware of the file system/registry abstraction features. It would be nice if you could enable these separately, perhaps in an "Advanced Options" mode.

    It would also be nice if you could get some sort of warning when these features are used, and a group policy option to block installs that depend on them (e.g. installers that assume things about the system they shouldn't.)
    Monday, January 19, 2009 2:43 PM
  • I like new Windows 7, I have some problems, but I know, that I am using the beta right now :). So you do good job.
    Monday, January 19, 2009 6:12 PM
  • I install it on my Dell XPS 400 Using 64 bit, it detected every last bit of hardware, installed quickly and all my main basic apps and antivirus are working great on it.
    so far so good!
    Monday, January 19, 2009 7:32 PM
  • I think that Microsoft has done a fabulous job with Windows 7.

    Overall, it is faster than Vista, and I like the new UAC level system.

    Monday, January 19, 2009 7:45 PM
  • Being an XP and Linux person, I am impressed by this beta.

    I have new hardware and the only things not recognized were the Co-processor and the SM Bus.

    Apart from some strangeness with command line ability to run batch files properly, this is some solid and fast coded OS.

    The software compatibility is pretty good despite what I mentioned above.

    Well done Microsoft, seems you are headed down the right path at last.
    Monday, January 19, 2009 11:00 PM
  • I like the fact you can put the uac where you want it.  I find windows 7 not as bloated as Vista.  What i hoping is that Microsoft is reading all the comments and the goods and bads on this forum and taking the suggestions and implicating them for the next release.

    I also am hoping when the final comes out a discount will be giving or a reduced price for those who have Vista now and want to upgrade to Windows 7.

    robin
    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:00 AM

  • Windows 7 is excellent

    Performance on my vaio sz-28gp is greatly improved compared to both Vista and XP.  UI responsiveness, time to load apps, boot times are all faster.  Handles multiple memory/CPU hungy apps better.  Ill even start using Win+Tab switching now it comes up fast and smooth. 

    Battery life is 50% - 100% higher, compared to Vista on the same laptop.

    I also noticed that Aero must either use less memory, or support exceeding video memory, because my 128MB video card can now do Aero in high res dual monitor setup, where the same setup on Vista would revert to non-Aero

    I also love all the UI improvements, im especially happy with the new task bar, in particular because I always have it running down the left of screen on my widescreen display

    Now If media center only supported GPU HD video accelleration the dream would be complete.


    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:41 AM
  •  As much as I would like to give feedback to help in the development and fine tuning of Windows 7, I'm just not having many issues.
    From format to up and running was incredibly fast. Everything I use, installed. The new interface and UAC is perfect in my opinion.

    My issues have been minor at best. IE8 seems to be 98% of my issues.  My creative X-Fi installed and sounds fine, although I haven't got the X-fi to see the mic that is installed.
    I can say my sound was crackling and distorted until I installed all the drivers for my X-fi. My SM bus didn't install with updates but that was a very simple unzip the MB ini into a folder and right clicked SM bus and told to update the driver from that folder.

    That is about it. Everything for me works perfect as if this were a released version. It's really that good on my system.
    I will keep looking for problems and post as I find them. I have been using 7 since the day of release without many issues.
    I am using the 64-bit W7 now, have the 32-bit W7 on another hard drive. I prefer 64-bit because I have 4G ram.
    Vista (64bit) also worked flawlessly for my computer. Vista is an excellent OS and this one appears to be just as good with some new stuff that's even better.

    system:
    E8400 3.0Ghz C2D
    Gigabyte X38-DS4 MB
    4G Corsair XMS ddr2 800 ( 4-4-4-12 )
    ATI 4870

    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:16 AM
  • I installed the 32bit version last Saturday half expecting to be forced to remove it soon after. I've been running it for it 9-10 days and haven't had so much as a hiccup. Install went smoothly,all my hardware was recognized and installed. I like the aero look (coming from XP). Everything seems to be running much more smoothly and faster than XP. Booted to my other drive once to retreive some bookmarks and XP seemed pretty clunky compared to. You ever get a real nice new loaner while your car is in the shop and then have to go back to the old beater when its ready? Thats how I'd feel going back to XP at this point. 
    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:32 AM
  • By now there has been a lot of feedback on the web regarding Win 7, most of it positive IMO. There has also been some speculation regarding release dates for the final product, and how MS should give the final product free to current Vista users. As a Vista user I don't agree that MS should just give me Win7, but I would like to be able to use it until the final product release. IOW, I don't want to go back to Vista now that I have used Win7 beta. After testing the beta for over a week now I have removed Vista from my main pc. If I have to go back to Vista I will, all my data is backed up. I would prefer to use an RC of Win7 and wait for the final release.
    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:09 PM
  • I am EXTREMELY happy with Win7. Everything I liked about XP and Vista with none of the BAD from either. I think you have a winner here.
    Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:29 PM
  • Well, I wiped this thing off my disk within an hour of getting it installed.


    Hey MICROSOFT:

    When you try to make the folder structure in Windows Explorer simple-minded, you only succeed in making it complicated for everybody.  Now in Win7, you have taken it to a new level of weirdness with Favorites, Libraries and etc.  If you must do that for the novice user, then just give him, say, 6 folders.  Games, Pictures, Music, Documents, Programs, and maybe User Defined.  Fine, advanced users will find them convenient  too.  But Jeeez.  Then also provide one-click access to the full directory tree.  I am sooo tired of wrestling with Vista to find things thru the GUI, or having to drop down to MSDOS altogether to do it.  (On this topic, why do you omit the Downloads shortcut from the Start Menu?)

    Furthermore, why are you putting those confusingly useless options in the Explorer taskbars?  Often, those items give drop-down menus with even more greyed-out choices.  Do you really expect anybody to burn a CD or change something via Files menu in Control-Panel?  That's just sloppy, undisciplined work.  It only serves to train users to ignore all taskbar items as meaningless clutter.


    Now, with regard to my brief Win7 Experience, here's what I found:


    My initial desktop customizations (solid color background &tc) took three bootups to stick.  Just like Vista.

    Oh that Explorer Start Navigation Sound !  It took me three bootups to kill that too.  Just like Vista.

    Yeh, the initial bootup splash is nice and fast now.  But I'm not fooled.  It still takes another couple minutes to get my wireless &tc going.

    Where the heck did the SideBar go?  It was pretty.  I liked it.

    Where did Windows Defender Software Explorer go?  It was handy.

    Hovering the mouse over All Programs in Start Menu activates it like clicking it?  That's not convenient.  That's obnoxious.  And try just leaving the mouse pointer there.  It's very entertaining to see it oscillate between All Programs and Back with no further user input.  Yes, very entertaining.

    The icons in Programs & Features changed their configuration once or twice, on their own, just like Vista.    Really, really, really annoying.  (triple-really).

    Norton Internet Security 2009 crashed repeatedly.  Like scheduled on a timer or something.   I know.  Shame on me for using such a product.

    Pieces of Norton Ghost disappeared.  Seemed appropriate in some sarcastic way.  Lucky thing I could boot it off DVD to reinstall my earlier Vista image.

    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:35 AM
  • I really like the new Taskbar! I also like the less-intrusive UAC in Windows 7. I'd like ATI to fix their driver, but I know that's not a Microsoft issue.
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:25 PM
  • I don't really get rid of the feeling that MS just put some features on VISTA and tries to sell it as Seven.

    The changes and the features could be called Vista SP2 already - didn't MS produce a "new" operating System?

    I mean there were more changes from Windows 98 and 98SE - not to mention from 2000 to XP.


    People are not stupid and I hope the most of the people will recognise that if Seven stays like BETA shows us how it might be, it even less worth the money than VISTA.


    If MS thinks that the user likes to be told what she/he has to startup ok fine, then at least there should be a version for people with brain and one for people that like to be used by their operating system.
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:02 PM
  • Please make the Beta versions upgradeable to RTM
    Jonathan
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:26 PM

  •  

    I'm loving it! Not that it has been absolutely trouble free. It is a beta after all. Coming directly from win XP it is more of a step up for me then vista users. I also had set all of XP that I could to use 'classic' or old win 98 style windows and ways of doing things.

    So far I have resisted trying to force win 7 to let me work as I was used to and am trying to just get used to and use its futures. I like the thumbnails when hovering the mouse over task bar icons and being able to select which window to jump to. I’m even getting used to the windows maximizing when I move them to the top of the screen. At first it was pissing me off. Thought it was a glitch not a feature.

    Loved that the first time it opened I did not get an endless succession of boxes asking about where to look for software and device drivers and commanding I find install CD’s I haven’t touched in years. Though I do still have some yellow ! That I’m unsure what to do about. Debating getting out some old install cd’s to see if that helps or surfing the net to download drivers. Only win 7 is not being clear what device I need work on. Don’t want to mess things up trying to install drivers for things that are working fine.

    Also really love the way I had zero trouble connecting to my home network, getting online and opening hard drives on other computers to copy or access files from them. Was light years ahead of XP for doing that, even though I was accessing computers that still ran XP.


    Computer User
    • Edited by Tharkunn Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:05 PM spelling
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:58 PM
  • Hi I`ve been running windows for about a week now and I`m very impressed. At first I had a few glitches But I was able to work them out. All my programs that I use since they are older programs are working fine. I still have to install my printer yet , So hopefully there won`t be a problem with that either.
    I  will definetly be getting windows 7. I wished I would of waited instead of getting vista. I feel that I`ve wasted that money on vista. But vista seems to be working ok now. Not as many uac permissions now in vista. But still once in awhile in vista I `ll have a problem or two getting something to work because the uac and having to shut it off is a pain too at times. So I`m hoping that at least the beta testers would get alittle discount on windows 7. Probably that will only happen in my dreams but one can at least hope lol.
    sincerely
    Kathy Woodcock
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:05 PM
  • Windows 7 is great! I actuly put it on my main pc as my ONLY OS, I have not had any problems with it yet. The only thing I found was a glitch on MS Paint but its nothing important. All the software I use works great on Windows 7. Microsoft did a good job.

    I got one suggestion though; Put the Zune Software on here so we don't have to re-install it. (I no it's a little thing to ask, but Apple puts Itunes on there product(s)).

    Thanks
    Ryan :D
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:48 PM
  • Cameron,

    Thank you for your feedback. Unfortunately, I have deleted your post, but I want you to know why. It is not that you are unhappy about Windows 7 Beta, Microsoft, or anything else. We welcome open exchange of thoughts and ideas in these forums, both positive and negative.

    I deleted your post because of the abusive nature of the post. If you would like to repost in a professional manner, we welcome that. Otherwise another abusive post will result in banning you from TechNet/MSDN forums.

    Thank you for complying with the Code of Conduct.

    Sincerely,

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums
    • Edited by Anthony_Mann Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:22 PM Corrected misspelling
    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:45 PM
  • Well Cameron, haw haw, I'm glad you said it.

    They will censor you.  Ironically, I was just editing and cleaning-up my previous post when yours appeared.

    I would slightly disagree about Win7's new, more polished look.  I found that one click past the new, oversized cartoon desktop taskbar icons, things are actually even grubbier than with Vista.  That's where I hit my gag limit.  I re-installed Vista.  And that's where I'm staying for now.  I just want MicroSoft to FIX THE VISTA BUGS ALREADY.


    Update:  They did censor you.  While I was typing this!  Haw!


    Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:48 PM
  • Hmm. It took me 15 minutes to calm down enough to delete half of what I wanted to say. That little Feedback button got to hear everything on my mind. I'd love to know if it's possible to view your feedback... For those of you that didn't get the luxury of seeing what was and is truely on my mind, here is the same post hopefully censored to Anthony’s specifications:

    You’re drawing your last straw with me as a user of any Microsoft operating system. Most of us use it because people design devices and software to work for newbies and no other way. We don't want to spend the time to mess with it. We become impatient, and just want to plug it and forget it. A lot of people couldn't even tell you what packet encapsulation is nor could they begin to understand the connection limit within tcpip.sys. Others, like myself, are educated enough to understand the benefits of editing it. If my computer and network can handle it, why limit it?. Make the Windows experience a little more customizable for advanced users. This is one of the reasons why I dual boot Knoppix and Backtrack from an SD card. Sure, let's make all kinds of colorful transparent windows that consume way too much memory, it doesn't matter. Why don't you make an alternative selection in the setup process called "Advanced Windows User Mode" and make it almost fully customizable.  My opinion on the matter is your working too much on your dress and not enough on the engine.

    Cameron Julsrud

    Cameron.says.hey@gmail.com

    Note: I edited my post yet again to comply with the "Code of Conduct" which prohibits the use of profanity, however the "abusive nature" you are referring is not directed towards "(...)others participating in these services(...)" as deemed a violation in said article.

    Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 AM
  • Cameron, instead of posting your discontent here why don't you click on "Send Feedback" and make some suggestions to Microsoft on how they can improve their OS to meet your needs?  Sending them positive feedback will probably get more attention than another rant with no specifics as to what the problem is.

    Just my opinion.
    If all is not lost, where is it?
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:44 AM
  • I'm very pleased With Windows Beta 7, I'm a game developer by trade (sort of) , I know the beta is for testing purposes (tryed to find the proper info but couldn't) , but is it allowed that a game would be developed on Windows 7 Beta?

    Never give up on your dreams
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:20 AM
  • All comments prior to this post have been collected and submitted to the Windows 7 Product Team on January 22, 2009.

    Please continue to add to this thread, as I will continue to collect comments periodically and submit them.

    Thanks

    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:23 PM
  •      I have blatantly refused to upgrade most of our household machines from XP. Having installed Vista for others, I had come to the conclusion that there was no advantage to a move to Vista and in fact most of my drivers in XP are unsigned, (an issue I simply refused to deal with). There was also the issue of program compatibility, almost all of my programs would come over but the programs my kids use would not run even in compatibility mode.

         Windows 7, I've heard stories of problem installs, full installs that won't boot, I have no such interesting dissertations it dropped in, ignored my dual head video card, (as I had expected), installed the "standard vga drivers" (but they are at 1024x768 & 32 bit color), there was no sound but when I installed the drivers it errored and offered me an fix it option whereby it downloaded the correct drivers and worked perfectly. I have installed unsigned drivers and I simply get a warning, but it did allow me to override and go on. 
        Unsigned drivers and software- I appreciate the warnings, but as that I use a good deal of unsigned drivers and software I do want to be able to continue anyway.

        7 is, so far, the first thing I have seen to cause me to consider an upgrade on my Windows machines.

        As for the aforementioned video card {it's a Radeon 7000 } roughly 6 years old I think and has a whole 32 megs of ram I was surprised the installer didn't tell me it was time to buck up for some video or give up.
    So I turn one monitor off and as you can figure I'm running a more conservative interface.
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:22 PM
  • So far Win 7 (32 bit) has been a sheer pleasant surprise. It went in (clean install only) so fast (22 min) I thought that the setup failed - it didn't. Although right-clicking and choosing the top selection will take some getting used to, all and all, moving around and exploring is quite simple. What pleased me the most is the image creation. That feature alone will prompt me to purchase the new OS when released - provided MS keeps the price fair. I will only be pleasantly pleased when the new OS is released for the footprint may be smaller (if MS keeps stripping the OS with chunks that I really don't need or use or are unimportant [to me]), and although peppy now, it can only be speedier when the OS becomes optimized. No, I DON'T WORK FOR MS!
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33 PM
  •  

    ©LarryEº said:

    Cameron, instead of posting your discontent here why don't you click on "Send Feedback" and make some suggestions to Microsoft on how they can improve their OS to meet your needs?  Sending them positive feedback will probably get more attention than another rant with no specifics as to what the problem is.

    Just my opinion.


    If all is not lost, where is it?

     

    Cameron. said:

    That little Feedback button got to hear everything on my mind. I'd love to know if it's possible to view your feedback...


    Please try actually reading my posts in full before you attempt to discredit or disharmonize me. Thanks ;)





     


    Sir?
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:42 PM
  • Just before someone jumps down my throat, I have also sent via the feedback loop to Microsoft!

    All I can say is that every day,  7 gives me a new challenge - drivers no longer working and having to be re-installed, install failures, IE not allowing updates to favorites, the time of day clock not being recognised in IE(works in Firefox 3, but reverts to USA time zone in IE) the list is becoming endless - and that doesn't include all the application restarts and the occasional total system failures.

    Vista is solid, even the beta was for me pretty good - but this update to Vista (because that is all it is) is extremely poor quality as far as I am concerned.

    If Microsoft is making 5000 redundant, I sincerely hope it is from the 7 team, as the quality of this system is extremely poor - I would not trust this system in a million years at the moment.
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:47 PM
  • Just before someone jumps down my throat...

    None of the moderators in this forum would do that. Your post is completely reasonable and simply expresses your opinion without being abusive. Thank you for that.

    In terms of your actual problems you mention, there are many people in these forums that are able to help you if you give specifics. There is nothing in your post that is actionable by moderators. If you want to respond back by letting us know error messages, types of hardware, etc., we will be happy to try to help.

    Thanks


    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:35 PM
  • First impressions...

    I came into the beta here just a while ago and was really excited to see how stuff had changed. Like most people I had heard a lot of good stuff and had high hopes.  After installing and playing around for a while, I really felt disappointed. I'm not worried about any hardware issues, wireless card didnt find a driver but running windows update fixed that. Performance was great. What really ticked me off is the new UI changes that I had previously been looking forward to. I liked pinning applications to the taskbar, but not Windows Explorer opening to the libraries folder. I like the consolidation of notifications, but not that I cant set to permanetly ignore certain messages from the action center. I know that Windows firewall is off, I turned it off on purpose. I like the new design of areo, like how windows go transparant when mousing over the lower left corner or the taskbar. I dont like how the new search box nolonger is a combine search/run box. Typing cmd, services.msc, explorer.exe no longer do anything. I dont like how it broke support for QTTab but still fails to give native Explorer tabs. I still dont like how setting to activate on mouseover also forces the window to raise. Thats a left over from vista. In XP I much prefered having it activate behind another window, for example to copy from the forewindow into a rearwindow without setting always on top or moving them around. 

    Out of everything, what I really really dont like is the required usage of libraries. I have zero need for them. Granted, they are a good idea that many people might like, but personally I dont. Being the single user of this computer with all family files (pictures/music etc) on a NAS then I dont like them, but I have to have the icon in Windows explorer to take up space, as well as being the opening page when starting Windows Explorer. I tried to find a replacement (like UltraExplorer) but even though it sounds promising, it had problems in Win7. Wouldnt lock the toolbars, save folder view settings etc etc.   Along with my distaste of libraries is that of Homegroups. I still dont get what they have over just sharing folders individually, but it wants me to use them.  For new users, fine. I can see the point of having the UI be smarter about where it allows/prompts/encourages people to keep personal files. My parents still think that if you "save it to the disc" then you can find it anywhere regardless of where you put it. Having it babystep even advanced users is a pain.

    All in all, after spending the better part of today playing with it, I just dont like it. Maybe the core, hardware support, performance is better. I'm not the expert on that, but I really just dont like some of the changes to the UI that I cant find out how to remove/bypass. Time to go back and reinstall my copy of Server 2008.
    Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:50 PM
  • I've been leaving a ton of positive feedback, thus far it runs a lot for stable then XP or Vista did, looks like the WDDM changed which I like cause some of the older apps/game won't run, but will run on Win 7:).
    Never give up on your dreams
    Friday, January 23, 2009 12:51 AM
  • I agree that windows 7 64-bit version is excellent. With vista, I gave up on 64-bit and never coud get all of my drivers to work. It took week with vista to get the sound working.

    I first tried windows 7, 32-bit version, but had to reinstall several times. So I decided to try Window 7 64-bit version and everything has worked perfectly. It installed  easily and was able to load my wirless network driver and connect to the network. After that windows update offered the video and audio drivers that were needed and I had sound. I used Driver Detective and DriverMax to inport drivers that I had on my Vista partition. 

    The drive backup seems to work well.

    The system has been stable after a startup problem on the first day which windows tried to fix before offerng the restore option which worked. No problems of any consequence for the past four days.

    Charlie RJ

    Friday, January 23, 2009 3:53 AM
  •  Re:  Cameron, Fesak and my own previous post.

    First of all, you see we are only a very-single-digit-percentage of this thread that has voiced disappointment and objections.  Yet, we are not hacks who are trying to misuse the O/S.  We are diligently making the effort to learn it, manage it, and get the best use of it.  But we are frustrated and stifled from what often has the appearance of condescending arrogance by Microsoft.  And it really seems that attitude is just the result of their unwillingness to discipline their work.

    The example of Libraries is only a most trivial one; but it is so visible in Win7 that it is compelling to discuss.   Now, Symbolic Links and Junctions have been available since when, Win NT ?  They are actually a very handy facility, for those of us that know about them.  (See MKLINK at the DOS prompt).  But MS has never really made the information generally available, nor has it been made accessible through the GUI.  Why not?  Clearly, it would be difficult to explain the concept to a typical user (absolutely no sneer intended).  A typical user, who, apparently MS feels should be shielded from viewing the Directory-Tree in Windows Explorer. 

    And now comes the annoying irony.  In Win7, Libraries have been forced on everybody.  I don't think anything has changed:  Typical users will still be lost to the concept.  More advanced users still receive no formal documentation or GUI access to MKLINK.  So, everybody is inconvenienced by this quantum-leap in UI.

    And 97% of the users will just not mention it...

     

    Friday, January 23, 2009 6:57 AM
  • I like Windows 7.  However why did MS got rid of CUT, PASTE, DELETE, UP etc buttons from Explorer ??  These are the most useful things in a File manager. I want to accomplish a simple thing like that with one mouse click not navigating thru a menu or using the Keyboard.  

    I just dont get it....

     

    Friday, January 23, 2009 8:24 AM
  • So far the only thing I don't like about the UI is the amount of space it wastes. I'm not talking about Aero (which I've always liked). I'm talking about how a lot of windows contain too much white space. I actually thought that Vista's UI struck a great balance of eye candy and a pleasing amount of information density, but the large plain white panes in Windows 7 are kind of ugly, despite being nestled inside the pretty Aero borders.

     

     Primary offender is the Explorer navigation pane. Vista's nav pane was great, but the new pane's use of collapsible categories makes it take up more vertical and horizontal room. (There's no need for a separate Favorites category... if it's in the nav pane, it's a Favorite. But that's another topic.) A few other windows present the illusion of wasted space: open up the Notification Area Icons window and stretch it vertically so you can see it better. Then close it and open up the Network and Sharing Center window. The windows apparently share a common set of dimensions, so the Network and Sharing Center will open with a vast barren desert of white inside its borders.

    tl;dr version: Tighten up the windows in general. Try to hit a sweet spot of "pleasingly information-dense."

    Friday, January 23, 2009 9:06 AM
  • I upgraded to Windows 7 Beta 1 Build 7000 from a Vista 64 bit system.  The first problem I had was I lost my Blu-ray drive.  After looking for a solution on forums, I recovered that.  Then I noticed that the Documents / Music / Pictures links on the Start Menu did not function, and there was not an easy way to specify the default folder.  In Vista I had changed the default to my second or third hard drives.  Then I noticed that Publisher 2007 crashed every time I cut a picture.  Then Word and Excel started crashing.

    I like a lot of things about Windows 7, so I thought I would give it another shot.  I installed from the DVD, formatting the C drive and installing clean.  Now my only problems are that television programs recorded in Media Center are saved in a WTV format and not editable in Movie Maker Beta or Pinnacle 12.  And Hauppauge Win TV does not function, even in compatibility mode, limiting my choices for recording tv and editing out the commercials.

    Office 2007 installed great on my clean Win7 install, but FrontPage 2000 is very buggy.


    Jon
    Friday, January 23, 2009 11:18 AM
  • Hi,

     

    need folder size in the explorer's details pane when a folder is highlighted.

     also please include a text tool for the snipping tool so that we can quickly insert comments after taking screenshots.

     

    Thanks.

     

     

    Friday, January 23, 2009 12:33 PM
  • I personally love windows 7, of course I loved vista when it came out too. Sure it had some bugs but I used it from the time it was RC-1 till it was released for retail, then bought a copy and have been using it ever since. I could never figure out why it had such a bad rap with the general public. I never had any issues with Vista that weren't easily resolved. The only issue I've had with Win7 was I tried to do an upgrade install and IE8 wouldn't connect, so I did a clean install and haven't had anything not work, or any issues at all. LOVE-IT !! I am sure I will purchase a copy when it comes available.
    Friday, January 23, 2009 9:27 PM
  • Everytime I boot into Windows 7 I smile without meaning to and feel like the OS is telling me to relax... and I do. Vista on the other hand...
    Friday, January 23, 2009 11:48 PM
  • Fesak: Typing 'cmd' and hitting "enter" does launch cmd.exe. The same apllies to sercives.msc and explorer.exe (You must add the '.exe' to the command for explorer otherwise it launches IE).I, too, am extremely mad at the mouseover event making pinned windows to raise. The forcing of libraries is just, simply put, retarded. I, too, agree with the lack of symbolic links (just make it a right click command and add deletion support) and think that they should be fully integrated into the windows OS including remote shares.

    neroman: I guess I had always thought you could add them via the control panel, however that is not possible. However I don't think that most people are greatly affected by it, as most power users know just about every shortcut command possible. Here is a list of known Win7 shortcuts by Brandon Paddock.

    arunkshrestha: I agree that File size should be shown AT ALL TIMES in the details pane. Especially for those of us that need to know how big a folder is when burning movies or files onto a CD/DVD

    Just get rid of the libraries.


    Sir?
    Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:15 AM
  • I agree. I like everything MS has done with Windows 7. No install issues, first update found every updated driver needed. Its faster, and works well. Every program I installed so far went without a hitch!

    There is a major weak point though.....IE8. It constantly crashes. Im trying real hard to give it a go, but you can only take the crashing for so long. MS needs to find out how firefox works without all the crashing and incorporate that!

    Overall I like 7 a lot!

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:34 AM
  • IE8 is terrible. Opens at 150%, renders terribly, few icons for my favorites show up, slow loading. And now I see where this version is OLDER than the version in RC1 for Vista/Xp. Comeon MMSFT. Renue loses can pile up fast from a disfuntional and therefore unused IE. Why all the issues with UAC still and also the taskbar and the gadgets. PLEASE make everything simple for the common man. Most of us here are at least some level of geek. Think of everyday Joe
    Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:31 AM
  • Nice work on windows 7 :) best windows beta ever.

     

    The one feature I would love to see it for the taskbar to be able to extend across multiple monitors. It would also be nice to be able to control different wallpapers for different monitors.
    Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:39 AM
  • First of All: Windows 7 is great - it´s fast, and the tasbar is 'wow'.

     

     But I´m missing Windows Mail. Windows Mail Live isn´t as good as Windows Mail in my opinion...

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:09 AM
  • Hey Folks...quick question here - I decided to do the upgrade instead of the clean install of Windows 7 - What are the thoughts out there regarding upgrading versus clean install for performance? Just wondering if Vista leftovers would affect the outcome as I am finding it quite "Vista like".

    Having said that, so far I really like the product - I have Vista, XP, Leopard and Windows 7 machines running so I am currently comparing the 4 platforms - should be an interesting process.

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:54 PM
  • Have been using Win7 for 10 days now. Very pleased with it to the point that it is the OS that I boot into on an almost regular basis.

    I too find that IE8 is somewhat slow and 'chunky' when accessing the web.

    The other thing I'd like to suggest is to do away with the double mouse click. Don't know why it has become the default with all versions of Windows, but I have always turned it off and used the single-click option. I don't see any need for double-clicking except to exacerbate my carpel tunnel symptoms.

    Just some thoughts.

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:07 PM
  • I'm duly impressed with Windows 7 X64 on several levels. 

    I'll make this as complete as I can...

    Hardware:

    The comments below pertain to an Intel DP35DP w/E8400, 4GB RAM, Seagate ST3500320AS, RAID enabled in BIOS to extend inherent AHCI functionality (also "RAID READY" should I need it).  9600GT-OC, 850W supply, Zalman 9500 (9700?),  Fang Gamepad, MS Digital Media Pro KB, Sony optical mouse circa 2001 I'd guess, Thermaltake Xaser-1000 case (an oldie but the best there ever was IMHO), Antec MX-1 ESATA enclosure w/1.5TB Seagate ST31500341AS. 

    The install went perfect twice, once with the blank SATA drive as a single partition (plus the 200MB reserved), then as a partitioned during re-install as ~150GB/350GB, the system also created the reserved partition, in neither case did I have any issues with drive letter changes due to the hidden partition becoming active as other seem to be saying.  The ESata drive wasn't added until the Win7 system was fully updated and patched, no problems being recognized, fast as all getout (more below).

    I did have an issue where Windows Update failed from control panel, the by now famous "DisableSessions" fix worked perfectly to solve that.

    I decided to try the Kaspersky Beta for Win7, it worked fine on the single drive install, but I decided to "get fancy" on the second install and turned off Kaspersky's automatic updating.  Well, that broke Kaspersky, I'd get notifications that the databases were out of date, try and do an update, updater completes (after 40 second delay or so) with "no updates required".   Turning auto-update seems to have fixed it for now.

    I mentioned the ESata was fast, here's the skinny:  I used the Seagate DiskWizard (Acronis True Image for OEM) to capture an image.  With 50.3 GB to start, 35GB after compression, the image took 6min 30sec, for 89.7MB/sec, and yes that includes the processor and Acronis doing the read/compress/store operations.  I'll copy the image back to the second internal partition to see what that bandwidth is one of these days.

    Since it's a beta and my job is to try the stuff I'd normally do (and of course some I wouldn't normally do!), I decided to install the original FarCry and the 1.4 patch.  Please note, this was a no-brains install, I made no attempt to run compatability mode, just put the disks in and let it rip.  I was convinced FarCry was maxed out on my main machine (E6600, WinXP, 7850GT), but the 9600GT and Win7 conspired to crush that impression.  I am currently running with literally everything at the absolute max the game offers at 1280x1024 on a SyncMaster 170MP (native resolution) and I NEVER get frame rates below 138 or so, rates typicaly fluctuate between 150-195 while playing.  For the guys with SLI and CrossFire this might seem piddling, but the gameplay is so much improved even over my now only "adequate" other system that I've created a newplayer and am having a ball playing it, almost as if new.

    OK, so FarCry worked, I thought I'd try something really ridiculous and install Return To Castle Wolfenstein (circa 2001), again, with no compatibility install, just as straight shot.  After a somewhat terrifying (and thankful I had just imaged) delay with a dark screen and the CD and hard drives churning away, I was greeted with the install screen after I clicked the left mouse button.  Again I cranked everything up graphics-wise, and as would be expected (circa 2001 remember) performed flawlessly.  No clue what the resulting fram rate is, but it's WAY up there to be certain.

    On to the user interface:

    At first I thought the window size and shake stuff sounded stupid.  I did.  Then I tried it, and was instantly used to it, so much so that after a few hours of use I found myself longing for the same features on my main (XP) machine.  GREAT stuff, even if it doesn't represent a milestone in complexity of the code required to achieve it.  Simple, nice, it will become a defining element of future releases I'm sure. 

    The show desktop hotspot is of little use to me right now, I see the major functionality being for quick gadget viewing, but I run no gadgets on this narrow (1280x1024) display.  Perhaps a wider monitor will breathe life into the feature for me, but I'm in no hurry to spend coin on a new display just yet.

    I tried to capture a drive image using the built in recovery tools, but showing hidden files and folders revealed (or failed to reveal) any content in the created folders.  It really doesn't matter, Microsoft's "image" is hopelessly stupid (pardon my use of the unabashed truth) only allowing complete images when it thinks you deserve it, bah, just junk IMHO, and it still has me miffed I bought Vista Ultimate JUST FOR MS SANCTIONED IMAGING!  (BTW, I never had ONE SINGLE issue with Vista Ultimate, just blessed I guess?)

    IE8 is working well, but I haven't really tried any of the new features to any extent.  I use it exactly as I would IE7, bunches of tabs open, constantly using "open in new tab" and all the rest of the now generic stuff.  As time permits I'll "tickle" the new features and see if I find them as intuitive and useful as size and shake.

    Just for kicks I dug out every thumbdrive I could find and all were installed and readable without any hitches of any kind, and some of these I had occassional issues with on my XP machines.  The Fang Gamepad install was simple, I went the website, downloaded the latest Vista driver.  I plugged in (USB) the pad, wait for enumeration, install the software, runs perfect.   I might have been requested to reboot to complete the install, I don't recall...

    As I type this on my main machine, the Windows 7 machine is playing from my MP3 library.  For the second time since installation, Media Player "paused" or hung at the transition between two tracks.  Almost as if you had hit the pause/run button, but the button face doesn't toggle to indicate the change.  All it takes is to "really" pause it, then click the resulting play arrow to resume.  These two hiccups occurred on different "albums" so it shouldn't be a file anomaly causing this.

    So far, Windows 7 seems like a great OS, I can only hope MS is able to recover from the Vista debacle and actually pick themselves up, dust off, and forge ahead without comitting some sort of lunacy that will damage Win7 in some way.  I guess I'm thinking of oppressive DRM type stuff, or other stuff that would cripple the release or the user in some way that would cause a mass exodus to the crappy MAC platform.   I see Win7 as  a chance for MS to recover a badly damaged reputation, I pray they have the wisdom to not destroy this opportunity!

    DAS

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:08 PM
  • Although I am really, really enjoying Windows 7 beta, I have to admit that the notification icon for wired networks is horrible.  It looks like a pitch fork next to a monitor instead of an Ethernet cable.  In addition, it no longer supports animation informing the user about inbound and outbound traffic.  With most other visual elements being nice and pretty, this one is a major FAIL.  :)

    Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:05 PM
  • So far I'm pretty happy with Windows 7. Coming from XP Pro 32 bit to Win 7 64 bit is a bit of a change. (Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.) I only have 2.5 GB RAM so it's a little slow at times but more RAM is on order. I've only had one application that didn't work (an old free version of PGP). So far I've installed:

    Logitech Mouse and Keyboard Settings (MX1000)

    Trillian

    Mozilla Firefox

    Rocio Creator 2009 Ultimate

    Zune

    Photoshop CS4 (upgrade from CS2)

    GnuPG

    I've even used the computer management / disk management tools to delete a volume/partition and extend the boot volume/partition and create a new volume/partition on the remainder of the physical drive.

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:59 AM
  • I've been trying to use CLASSIC VIEW ever since I downloaded and activated the 7000 Beta Build. 

    However, it seems that a lot of the options for that Classic View are not in place.

    For instance - the Start Menu - which even reverted back to a real Classic View in Vista - no longer does.

    Themes (under Display Properties > Themes Tab) should be able to be chosen that match previous Classic Views.

    Windows And Buttons (under Display Properties > Appearance Tab) should as well.

    Color Scheme (under Display Properties > Appearance Tab) should have both "Windows Standard" and "Windows Classic" options.  I'm talking the true "grey" color like in Windows 2000 Pro, not the sort of off-sand looking color that Windows Standard has.  The Windows Classic Color Scheme is a must-add, imo.  Please do not drop it.  Please make it available so we can have a true classic mode.

    I would greatly appreciate it if these options were still made available to users.

    It is particularly helpful for Laptop Installations and machines with shared video / system memory.

    Please consider this request.  New Features, Themes and Interface options are a great thing - as long as you do not TAKE AWAY those that were already there.

    Guess that's the best I can do on this request.

    Thank you for listening, and thank you for allowing users to participate like this.  I really want Windows 7 to be as good as Windows 2000 Professional when it comes to business, and at least as good as XP when it comes to home use.

    Best wishes,

    BK

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:51 AM
  • I like the Previous Versions feature in Vista and Windows 7 (also known as the Volume Snapshot Service, VSS) but I would like to see it work more like Mac OS X's Time Machine, and allow the snapshots to be backed up to an external drive or NAS instead of backing it up to the same volume. In its current incarnation, saving it to the same volume kind of defeats the safe backup purpose and is a bit redundant to the Recycle Bin. Also it occupies a lot disk space. If it would allow to easily backup to an external device it would greatly improve its functionality.

    And yes, I know that there are backup tools incorporated into 7, but I really would like to see the automated versioning backup to external drives that is available to Mac OS X to be integrated into Windows 7 (without the gaudy interface of course). And it probably would be a simple feature to add, just a configuration frontend and slight tweaks to the VSS service.

    Only my two-cents

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:43 AM
  • This is interesting.

     

    When viewing pictures or files from Windows Explorer’s Libraries, a right-click yields a very large contextual menu. The column to the left of the text seems to be over sized.

     

    Now, here is where I believe it is a bug. When the images or files were accessed via the Libraries, the oversized menu appears. When accessing the same images or files from the folder structure under “Computer,” the normal sized menu appears.

     

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:52 AM
  • Feature Request: Expose Functionality (or something similar)

    Since Windows now makes use of GPU power to accomplish desktop compositing, having Expose like features would really be nice. It could be invoked by moving the mouse arrow to the upper right corner or wherever the user dictates via a setable option.

    A keyboard shortcut such as <Windows><shift><up arrow> could invoke the interface. Then as the mouse moves over each application, its window would swell to show it has the present focus.

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:39 AM
  • A lot of people say that Windows 7 is what Windows Vista should have been but I feel that if Microsoft hadn't released Windows Vista, they wouldn't have known the issues which are fixed in Windows 7. I love the superbar!

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:39 AM
    Answerer
  •  

    OK, here is my wishlist for Productivity Improvements in Win7

     

    #1  Let me choose what I feel are my most frequently used folders in Windows Explorers.  I want to be able to name and pin MY choices there.  Your choices (Microsoft) are a moving target.  Musical chairs.  If I want your favorite folder suggestions, I'll ask.

    #2  Give me the ability to edit and manage the Explorer context extensions.  I mean the R-Click menus, which grow new entries with every application I install.  Haven't you yet noticed that when you install a program like GZIP, you end up with like 5 new R-Click entries to do everything from Archive to Zip?  It just gets out of control, and you (Microsoft) are not letting us manage this mess.

    #3  Ditto regarding the Open With shell extensions.  Once you change anything in there,  it's there for the life of the computer.  C'mon, you've got to give us the ability to manage this.

    #4  Start Menu simplification:  Look, in Vista, you provide  Start Menu>Properties>Customize>Number of Recently Used Programs to Display  with the option to select 0 (zero).  Now, if we unpin everything from Start Menu, and also select ZERO recently-used-programs, just what do you think we mean?  No, we do not want a meaninglessly empty-white Start Menu with just All Programs dangling at the bottom.  That's stupid.  With this zero setting, the All Programs string should disappear altogether, and everything in the  Start Menu>Programs  folder  should appear in the popup Start menu.   Nothing else.  Simple.  Get it?

    #5  Get rid of all the random, unimplemented, pointless stuff on Explorers' taskbars.  It's just a confusing eyesore that interferes with productivity.

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:56 PM
  • I still prefer the "Save As" dialog box style that exists in XP versus the one in Vista / Win 7.  The XP style seems so efficient and clean looking.  The list-boxes and buttons are aligned, the icons on the left are simple / static so you know they'll always be right there.  From the top list box in the XP style, you can click to get a directory tree for navigation.  It has an "Up Level" button as well, and does not force column headers on you. 

    The "Green Bar" in Vista / Win 7 is not only annoying because of its gradient shaded bubble / bulge look, but I can't turn it off, which is pretty annoying.  I don't like the "Dual Purpose" concept for the left side in comparison to the static "buttons" of XP.  The XP dialog doesn't have redundancies.  With the new dialog, you can toggle the "FOLDER" item so that in one state it shows the folders and in the other state it shows the "Favorite Links" header.  And if that dual purpose thing wasn't annoying / confusing enough, the physical location on the screen of the FOLDERS toggle MOVES from the top to the bottom.  If I want to toggle, I have to click near the Top of the dialog, then after a toggle, I have to go near the Bottom of that same dialog.

    I really wish that the "Green Bar" could be turned off.  It is incredibly annoying not to be able to customize the dialog.  Between that Green Bar and the Column Headers, it's eating up much more real-estate than before, and having things out of alignment just looks "Sloppy", you know?

    I'm probably not articulating this as well as I could.  But to bottom line it - look how sleek and simple and efficient the XP dialog is and how "Busy" and "Bulky" the Vista / Win 7 dialog is.  Again.  If you would just let us TURN OFF / DISABLE the elements of the new dialog style, it might not be so bad, but we do not have that ability.  It's incredibly frustrating.  I don't want gradient eye-candy and a clunky, non-aligned interface.  I simply want to be able to have the original XP style as an OPTION.  It doesn't have to be the default, but just like the Classic Start Menu, if I could just toggle the style back to the one I'm used to, I'd be pretty happy about that.

     

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:12 PM
  • Hey,

    I just installed windows 7 beta. It performs very well on my dell e1505 laptop. So well done. Since I saw that quite a lot of things have improved (a good shell, calculator has a lot more features and the interface doesn't annoy me a lot with popups or notifications). I was wondering if notepad would also be improved by supporting unix newline characters. When I open a file with these kind of characters everything is displayed on one line, this time even without the rectangular symbols to show where a line ends.

    It would be nice to have this feature so I don't have to install an extra editor just to read and make small edits to these files.

    Kind regards,

    Ben

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:52 PM
  • Hey,

    Maybe this is a minor detail, but I was just testing Microsoft Anna (The new text to speech voice) and found that it seems to have some difficulties with the word live. As in (live performance vs. to live).When I just enter  the word it pronounces it as the first case, also when performance is added, it is pronounced correctly, but when you add a in front of performance (as in : 'A live performance') it pronounces it as the 'to live' pronunciation. Also the sentence 'performed live at wembley Stadium' is pronounced incorrectly.

    The mistake is also made the other way around. For example, in the question 'where do you live ?' it is pronounced as live in 'live performance'.

    Apart from these mistakes it seems to work a lot better then the old Microsoft Sam. So well done.

    Regards,

    Ben 


    • Edited by benvdh Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:53 PM The third sentence was a bit unclear
    Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:51 PM
  • Hi I have beta tested alot of things and IMHO this is the most stable beta I have worked with to date. I have thies installed as a dual boot on a thinkpad x61 with Vista 32 Ultimate and it seems much faster, the Biometrics work fine, sync with Windows Mobile Device works fine. One thing i noticed (this has probably been noted already) when broswing wit IE 8, sometimes the Task Bar starts visually jittering, this happens intermittantly so it may be somethng in a website that triggers the issue.
    Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:13 PM
  • Put simply, Windows 7 has raised my hopes about Microsoft once again. I was an avid windows XP user, thought it was a great OS, stable and efficient. Then vista came out and in my personal opinion, one of the worst operating systems I've ever used. I found it rather unstable, it flickered way too much for my taste, and yes even though you COULD disable the UAC, you'd still get another alert saying "OMG YOUR UAC IS DISABLED TURN IT ON OR YOU'LL GET HACKED!" (complete over-exageration of course.) 

    I've found windows 7 to be much more stable and the boot time is so much quicker. The only problems I've had with windows 7 so far are:


    1. When my CPU useage is 80% or higher, my laptop'll randomly hibernate, its just a matter of time on.

    2. When my computer does standby/hibernate in W7 and then awaken, I get no internet connectivity. I've got an Atheros wireless network adapter, and once its awake it either says "verifying connection" or "limited or no connectivity".

    So i hope those issues are addressed here soon in the next few updates, but other than that I'm largely impressed with windows 7 and can't wait for it's release.

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:24 PM
  • I got tired of waiting for Vista to boot up and shut down, so I've just finished setting up Windows 7 on my Acer Aspire 5310 laptop. I can only applaud the quality of the beta once again as it managed to install every single device, including my wired and wireless network adapters. I was able to log in to my WPA2 wireless before the installer was even completely finished! On top of that the laptop boots up and shuts down within 30 seconds as opposed to the 2 or 3 minutes it took on Vista.

     

    CPU: Intel Celeron M 520 (1.6 Ghz, 533 Mhz FSB, 1 MB L2 cache)
    HD: Toshiba 80 GB
    Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
    Memory: 1 GB DDR 2
    O/S: Windows 7 32-bits

     

    Running it on full visual details is asking just a bit too much of the on-board graphics accelerator, but tweaking it down a bit or reverting to the Windows Classic theme makes it run like a dream again. It's highly responsive, loads programs in a flash and completely destroys the Vista installation that still disgraced the system the day before! It consumes about 50% less of my system resources and even my WEI score has gone up with approximately 50%.

     

    Running Vista and you have a spare partition, system or laptop catching dust somewhere? Install Windows 7. Do it. Now. Your mother would be proud of you.
    Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:54 PM
  • Cameron. said:

    Fesak: Typing 'cmd' and hitting "enter" does launch cmd.exe. The same apllies to sercives.msc and explorer.exe (You must add the '.exe' to the command for explorer otherwise it launches IE).

     

    Maybe it was just glitched on me from the beginning, but nothing I typed into the run/search box to run worked. I dont have it installed anymore, might make a virtual system later.

    • Edited by Ronnie VernonMVP Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:22 PM Rmoved broken images
    Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:58 PM
  • egads said:

    #4  Start Menu simplification:  Look, in Vista, you provide  Start Menu>Properties>Customize>Number of Recently Used Programs to Display  with the option to select 0 (zero).  Now, if we unpin everything from Start Menu, and also select ZERO recently-used-programs, just what do you think we mean?  No, we do not want a meaninglessly empty-white Start Menu with just All Programs dangling at the bottom.  That's stupid.  With this zero setting, the All Programs string should disappear altogether, and everything in the  Start Menu>Programs  folder  should appear in the popup Start menu.   Nothing else.  Simple.  Get it?


    That sounds like a return to the Classic style Start Menu, which is doubtful to happen.  I prefer the new system, but like most things I also prefer having the option to go back unless it is a system critical change, or a change to the fundamental underlayings. Something like this though should still be optional.
    Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:03 PM
  • Sorry if this is a doublepost; I've posted elsewhere and was told to post here so that the development team might catch wind of this.

    Folks....

    One of the things that has bugged/plagued me for the past several years is when you are hard at work on something, and a "pop up" box appears and steals focus.  This is both annoying and dangerous.  I'm not referring to an IE pop up, but any windows/app "event" that pops up.  Common example; I'm racing a deadline to complete a document and typing furiously away when all of a sudden an Outlook reminder will "pop up" and take the focus from what I'm doing and in some really bad cases actually accept my keystrokes that were meant for the app I WAS working on and use them to perform an action for the pop up box that has just appeared!  Maybe I just dismissed an important reminder, or worse!

     

    How I think this could work better.......

     

    Perhaps a setting could be set in Windows (user can select - either keep the current behavior or use this new behavior) that when a pop up occurs it is translucent and will NOT steal focus from the current application; but it won't go away either.  So in my example above, let's say I'm furiously working away at an MS Word document and an Outlook reminder "pops up".  None of my keystrokes will be taken away from the app I'm currently working on, but I'll see the translucent window pop up and can then decide to act on it ....or not.  There would need to be some way of then choosing the window for focus; perhaps by right-clicking and choosing which window beneath my mouse should have focus.

     

    I don't know if I've ever heard anyone talk about this before, but I can't be the only person this has ever bugged!  Plus....that would be a "cool" feature; a translucent window that is advising you of something and readable, but yet you can still see you main work through it....and most importanly...DOES NOT STEAL THE FOCUS!

     

    I haven't seen anything in Win 7 yet that makes me think this behavior has changed...has it?

     

     Thanks!”

     

    Todd

    Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:13 PM
  • Theming issues -

     

    I really like the way Win7 looks.  I've set it up with a black background and the Slate color for the Aero glass.  Looks great.  The problem is that many programs do not look at the new theming styles and instead are looking at what must be the old WinXP styles for figuring out how to display.

     

    What happens is that Outlook 2003 comes up with my nice black Aero glass, but horrible bright baby blue menu and status bars.  It really looks ugly.  The default look of Firefox also does this and makes its menu bars based on this baby blue as well.  The Google bar that I added to IE8 is baby blue, and so is the standar tab bar.

     

    Even Explorer.exe itself has this problem, making its menu bar bright blue no matter what the color of the Aero glass.  Try setting your Aero glass to a red color and look at how ugly those two go together.

     

    On top of this, Win7 has taken away the ability to fix some of these issues by hand.  In the panel where you set the Aero glass color, there is an advanced menu which is really the same as the Advanced Appearance panel found in WinXP.  So I tried copying all the settings from my WinXP box which uses the Zune theme, but these settings apparently have no effect on anything unless you are running the old crusty classic view.  (Except the crazy part is, if you change the Active Title Bar size, it actually *DOES* affect the Aero glass border settings!)

     

    Please, you must make these older color settings available to power users in a nice panel.

     

    Thank you.

    Monday, January 26, 2009 1:01 AM
  • Not sure if this is the right place to post this

     Suggestions/Comments on Windows 7 Beta

    • Fix the Show Desktop Button--allow the user to decide where to put it and add an icon to the button (it almost looks camouflaged the way it is now since it is just shaded a slightly different color)
    • don't put out a bunch of different versions of windows 7; instead have one installation and allow the user to decide what features to install you could have some predefined versions to choose from on the installation ex. home premium, basic, business, ultimate, or let the user decide (mix and match--that way the user gets what they need not necessarily what comes prepackaged); or else only put out 2 or 3 different versions
    i apologize if these have already come up
    Monday, January 26, 2009 1:40 AM
  • Fesak said:

    egads said:

    #4  Start Menu simplification:  Look, in Vista, you provide  Start Menu>Properties>Customize>Number of Recently Used Programs to Display  with the option to select 0 (zero).  Now, if we unpin everything from Start Menu, and also select ZERO recently-used-programs, just what do you think we mean?  No, we do not want a meaninglessly empty-white Start Menu with just All Programs dangling at the bottom.  That's stupid.  With this zero setting, the All Programs string should disappear altogether, and everything in the  Start Menu>Programs  folder  should appear in the popup Start menu.   Nothing else.  Simple.  Get it?


    That sounds like a return to the Classic style Start Menu, which is doubtful to happen.  I prefer the new system, but like most things I also prefer having the option to go back unless it is a system critical change, or a change to the fundamental underlayings. Something like this though should still be optional.



    Maybe I emphasized the wrong point.  I'll clarify:

    I don't think Microsoft intends for us to use StartMenu as-is, the way it's delivered.  No way.  It looks like they just primed it with stuff to get it started.  I'm pretty sure they expect us to customize it with urgency upon first bootup.  And so it is a ritual for many of us.  I've done this grubby chore plenty of times,  haven't you?  It occurs to me, I can't help but wonder, what might happen if I just make a single folder in there that contains shortcuts to every single program on the computer.  You know, just do it one way, once-and-for-all.  I mean, what is StartMenu anyway?  It's just an anchored place to launch programs, right?

    Seems like a good idea.  Just one folder in StartMenu.  Every program shortcut inside it.  Why not?  Well, it wouldn't be quite as fast, convenient or pretty for frequently launched programs.  But for lesser used programs, it would actually be a lot faster.  You wouldn't need to fumble for them beneath All Programs.

    All-in-all, I think Vista's and Win7's StartMenu implementation is just fine.  The problem's with what Microsoft dumped into it.

    But the fact that you might consider reducing it down, and Microsoft has apparently made provisions to do so, and then you waste time trying, to again find it can't really be done because the damn thing is misimplemented/broken, well, that just sets me off.   It's just the typical Microsoft Way of doing things.

     

    In the 5 items I listed, they are all suggestions about things that are shabbily incomplete and impede productivity.  I have wasted uncountable hours monkeying with those things.  So when Microsoft advertises the Productivity Improvements in Win7, I am incensed by their deceitful euphemism.  No, they just found ways to distract attention from stuff that needs work.  I didn't mention it in the list, but the new Explorer theme with Library and Favorite categories, that's not innovation.  That's just a peephole into the filesystem which has become such a disorganized mess that it cannot be maneuvered.  Rather than improve it, Microsoft has instead restricted its view.  Heck, you can hardly get at the directory-tree anymore.   And not only does that categorization seem sneeringly condescending, it in fact is an inconsistent usage of the IE term Favorite that is bound to confuse novice users.

     

    Monday, January 26, 2009 3:10 AM
  • Feature Request:

     

    I would like to see the local time and date to the logon screen.  It would be nice to be able to see the current date and time on a machine that is idle at the logon screen.  Example shown below.

     

    Monday, January 26, 2009 3:46 AM
  • The first time i installed Windows 7 Beta, I was astonished that it worked so well. I liked the new features but had a little problem connecting to my VPN. I reinstalled Vista but had some preformance issues so reinstalled W7. This time I encountered several problems. But was so pleased with the the troubleshooting that seemed to fix each problem. In less than 2 hours everything seems to be working well. I too am surprised that this Beta works so well. The developement team is doing a great job.
    Monday, January 26, 2009 4:17 AM
  • I like win 7, but I guess I should try 64-bit systems, especially for windows 7 server.
    Monday, January 26, 2009 6:21 AM
  • To be honest Win7 and Vista are pretty much the same thing (both are still useless)

    I have moved from XP to Linux and Mac (as i think Vista was a huge failure, I did over 5000 Vista to XP downgrades) and see no reason to move back to Windows. I really hope that the final build will be something that will make me move back to windows as i really loved XP.

    Anyhow i will continue to test Win7 (as it is a vast improvement to Vista) but Win7 still does not blow me away as XP did for most people when it came out.

    P.S. anyways gonna be critics

    Monday, January 26, 2009 12:20 PM
  • Hello,

    I think that this OS upgrade would be an excellent opportunity to provide us with a method to pin some special folders to the start menu.
    Currently we can have folders such as music, pictures, documents, etc. pinned to the start menu through the customize start menu options where we select, using radio buttons, what we want to see on the start menu.

    Curiously "downloads" has never been an option, and i would argue that this folder is accessed way more than some of the other folders that we can pin to the menu, in fact i never even go into my pictures or music folder since programs like picasa, itunes, windows media player, etc. are used to manage the contents of those folders anyway.

    I have searched the web to find a way to add my frequently used "downloads" folder to the start menu, and although i have found tons of people who want to do it, i have yet to find a good way of doing so.

    i think with the increase in web usage and downloading these days that the downloads folder should rise to the ranks of those folders that can live on the start menu (as supported by the OS and not by hacks or strange shortcuts that don't put the folder beside the rest of the pinned folders).

    thanks!!!
    Monday, January 26, 2009 1:41 PM
  • Fesak said:

     

    Cameron. said:

    Fesak: Typing 'cmd' and hitting "enter" does launch cmd.exe. The same apllies to sercives.msc and explorer.exe (You must add the '.exe' to the command for explorer otherwise it launches IE).

     

    Maybe it was just glitched on me from the beginning, but nothing I typed into the run/search box to run worked. I dont have it installed anymore, might make a virtual system later.


    Don't agree: type cmd in the "search programs and files" will start cmd.exe. [W]R -> cmd will run cmd.exe

    There is no real problem.

    • Edited by Ronnie VernonMVP Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:23 PM Removed broken images in quote
    Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
  • Downloaded and installed Win 7 Beta four days ago. Ya got it right, Microsoft. My Vista-powered HP laptop made me age at an abnormally high rate waiting for it to boot up and connect to a wireless network. Win 7 does it literallly in 1/4 the time. Absolutely no crashes--I did have to install it a second time because of corrupt files but that was operator error.

    I run a lot of Nikon photo processing software. Capture NX2 processa photo in probably half the time running Win 7, compared to Vista on the same machine.

    My thought is Microsoft nor the national economy can afford to keep Win 7 on the shelf until the end of the year. The word is already on the street on how much better Win 7 is and NOBODY -- at least no computer savvy person--is going to buy a new computer until they can get it with Win 7. And I would guess t6here will be a real buying frenzy when Win 7 is available.

    I know it won't happen but I really feel Microsoft owes Vista owners some sort of special discount on a Win 7 upgrade. Vista is the Win ME of the 21st century and is, in many ways, responsible for some of the recent high tech slump. People don't buy new gear when the dislike the crippled OS that they are REQUIRED to buy as part of the package.

    Monday, January 26, 2009 5:36 PM
  • Matt Emmott said:

    Per my thread in the UI forum, Aero Shake needs to have some kind of animation assosciated with it, or at least a tooltip pop up when the windows go away - I thought it was a bug and didn't know it was part of the OS.



    When I installed Win 7 it identified my wireless modem and asked for the password. When it got that info it immediately identified my HP wireless 7280 printer, connected with it and loaded the proper driver.

     

    With Vista it was sometime a minute or more after the desktop appeared before my HP laptop would do anything because I had to wait for it to make wireless connection. Win 7 is connected wireless the instant the desktop appears -- and booting to the deskto takes half the time.

    Monday, January 26, 2009 5:51 PM
  • kr4ey said:

    This is just a remake of Windows Vista. I'm sure am glad I did not pay money for this POS OS.
    The drivers don't get install correctly. And its just the most terible all around OS I have ever used.
    Back to using Linux after I had installed for less than an hour.



    If you only had it installed for an hour you can't really know anything about it.
    Monday, January 26, 2009 6:07 PM
  • Tonywhalley said:

    Just before someone jumps down my throat, I have also sent via the feedback loop to Microsoft!

    All I can say is that every day,  7 gives me a new challenge - drivers no longer working and having to be re-installed, install failures, IE not allowing updates to favorites, the time of day clock not being recognised in IE(works in Firefox 3, but reverts to USA time zone in IE) the list is becoming endless - and that doesn't include all the application restarts and the occasional total system failures.

    Vista is solid, even the beta was for me pretty good - but this update to Vista (because that is all it is) is extremely poor quality as far as I am concerned.

    If Microsoft is making 5000 redundant, I sincerely hope it is from the 7 team, as the quality of this system is extremely poor - I would not trust this system in a million years at the moment.



    You must have got a different Beta download than I did because mine is running fast and with no problems on a year-old HP laptop. Did have to manually install the Vista video drivers but otherwise Win 7 is an absolute delight after dealing with Vista.
    Monday, January 26, 2009 6:22 PM
  • Hi there,

    Overall I think it's a pretty fine beta, so far pretty much everything works as it should. But I do have few gripes which I read I'm not alone with.

    First, the Go Up button in Explorer. Seriously, whom was it bothering that they decided to get rid of it. Probably most useful thing. I get it, the clickable address bar is somewhat useful, that is unless you begin lacking space, plus it was just so much easier to go up a level or few without getting a carpal tunnel. Put the darn thing back in.

    What happened to Invert Selection - was that also found offensive?

    The search, or I should probably say The Search, as for some reason it seems to be a pivotal computing concept that doesn't even work as it should. Now I don't do a lot of searching, and frankly, I'm at a loss of what could people be constantly searching for, but Ok. Problem is that I can't really search anymore. First the thing starts grinding away as soon as I send the first keystroke (I'm not done yet you stupid cow!!!), and then to actually get something I want to find takes ages to execute fully - and then I don't get it even. I hate to be one "resisting change" but really, when I do search I want to search. Pop a dialog so that I can specify rigid or lax criteria, press a button and go fetch. Instead there is this stupid interactive, contextual thingamajig that only results in adding gray hair to my head. I can't specify whether I want to look for a filename or text inside, file attributes, size, and where to look. I either get 2 million results or none at all. Not to mention there is a serious problem there somewhere, and if one does something too abrupt explorer.exe begins to eat memory until in my case reaches ~1.5GB and of course everything crashes. It is probably single most retarded thing in the entire system and is good for no more than wasting time. If they're so hell bent on it fine, but give those of us that actually use it to search for things, a tool to do so. I'd be willing to press a button to get there and it doesn't even have to be cute or smarter than the average bear - as a matter of fact I would prefer it wasn't.

    I like the new taskbar, the pinup, previews, Aero-peek, the lot. Really cool and useful to boot. A bit too much space wasted for icons but whatever. What would be nice, is to be  able to pin shortcuts to pinned shortcuts in the taskbar. From what I can tell you can only do that with the Explorer pinup for folder pointers and that really is too bad. I think it would extend the usability of the taskbar event further. At least for people like me who like to keep their desktop iconless yet still be very organized and efficient with clicking ( personally I find the Start Menu way too messy and all but useless whether 2k, XP or Vista/7 style).

    Somebody before mentioned XP style Save dialog and I couldn't agree more. With the whole Favorites, Library, Homegroup...blah blah blah... this thing is so cluttered now. It takes me at least 5 times as long to get where I need to go. And being a developer I Open/Save a lot, so this really will have huge impact on my productivity. XP's one with few set locations wasn't perfect but at least for most common of places it was good enough and one could still drill down on folders if the need be fairly easy.

    I'll also echo request to give users (those who care anyways) a better way of controlling what gets piled onto the shell, other than searching for keys and entries in the registry. It's bad enough that a lot of software companies (including MS) feel the need to install everything in that dreaded Program Files folder w/o giving users any choice in the matter, and then everyone treats our desktops, context menus, startup folders/registry keys and shell extensions like their own personal b____. I would like to know what is being done to my system during application install and either be able to prevent it from happening or at least be able to list/disable/remove (cleanly and completely) where appropriate.

    Why can't one no longer easily create their own context shell execution entry in file type management list?

    Folder/File list filtering and grouping from list header is very cool and I already found it very useful. Would be nice to be able to select filters for headerless views (effectively any other than Detail) though.

    I would like to see some decent (detailed) network traffic/Firewall logging of both incoming and outgoing traffic or blocking thereof. Resource Monitor does this only to a very limited extent and is not very useful.

    I would like to see a system installation/configuration options tailored towards at least broadly described use of the OS. I realize that the computers' target demographics are no longer limited to geeks and IT professionals, but really I'm tired of spending several days uninstalling, disabling tons of useless YouTube Generation junk or hacking the hell out of the system. Let's at least split it in 2 - for those who'd rather have everything and have to remove things they have no need for and those who'd rather stick to the core and install something if it was not in.

    And last but not least, since Vista/7 seems to be all about eye-candy I find this little thing very annoying. All icons that do not define 256x256 format will be displayed as 32px max in framed thumb in sized icon folder/file view despite the fact that a 128x128 format is present - plenty to work with up to that size (and above frankly). Instead they look like the oddballs that they are among icons with Vista format inside.

    Nothing to do with 7 directly but no less, I would like for all system available MMC windows to finally remember their damn location, size and arrangement. Some do, most don't and it is a huge PITA.

    Overall though, I'm rather liking this OS so far. I gladly skipped on the whole Vista thing and I'm hoping this one will actually be an upgrade to XP which I am by now very, very accustomed to.

    Cheers
    Adam,

    • Edited by Luna Tick Monday, January 26, 2009 7:23 PM spelling
    Monday, January 26, 2009 6:45 PM
  •  

    Re: Zorki1c

     I, too, have been running Vista on an HP Notebook with 802.11 AIO printer for about a year.  Works fine.  Vista boots fine, even with the printer turned off.

    Yes, I mean turned off.  That's where HP CUE Service hangs-up (or crashes) and delays bootup for a minute or two or more.  You can see it in Event Viewer.  I solved that by changing the Service startup option to Automatic-Delayed.   Hint.  Hint.

    I also got rid of HP QuickPlay, HP PhotoSmart Essentials,  HP Digital Imaging Monitor, and  hpqTOASTER.exe  (which was burning up my cpu and crashing my video).  Are you still running those things with your Win7 installation, Zorki1c?  I imagine not.

    Oh yes, and also the Atheros wireless card with that  HP-driver dated 11/07.  Replaced it with HP's Broadcom wireless with MS-supplied driver.  Since then, I have no problems connecting back-and-forth between my printer's Adhoc connection and my building's Infrastructure network.  See the pattern yet, Zorki1c?

    So while HP was blaming and badmouthing Vista all the way, I ultimately fixed all these things by dumping HP stuff.

     

    Check Win7 Event Viewer after each boot and see how many  red !  you get.

     

    Still feeling so smug, Zorki1c?

     

    Monday, January 26, 2009 7:08 PM
  • I found the UAC in Vista very annoying - almost developed a complex in that my computer kept thinking I was an absolute idiot!

    The new UAC in Windows 7 is much better, providing more choice over how it works. However, when I turned it off totally (ie. the Never Notify setting), I noticed that the gadgets on my desktop no longer appeared, and nothing would appear when right clicking on the desktop and selecting Gadgets from the short cut menu

    Please fix this for us!

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:55 AM
  • 7 is what Microsoft needed to bring us apostates back into the fold. With the release of Vista I went to Linux and liked what I found. Many distros run on older hardware and there is plenty of eye candy available with the likes of Compiz, transparency, desktop cube, wobbly windows, and a lot more. I am running 7 on a dual core system with 1.5 gigs of RAM, but using on board graphics at the moment, may just invest in a GPU now. IE 8 is a bit of a stretch but functions adequately, and FF runs well. Like WMP 12 now that I've found the little white box in the now playing section to view and change the equalizer, TruBass, and SRSWOW effects settings. Never thought I would use desktop gagets but have three of them up all the time now. And what with the team in Redmond deciding I could beta test, well I must say I am impressed. Will definately want to purchase a new desktop when 7 is released. Hope this economy is coming around by then...
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:27 AM
  • Memory management seems an issue with Win7. There is too much memory allocated/dedicated to hardware, which is odd because there isn't much hardware that needs memory. 

    I have 8 Gig installed, Win7 sees it but allocated over 4Gig to hardware, leaving the rest for my applications. That's not enough.

    This is a big problem because running the any heavy apps like Photoshop 64bit or video editing programs isn't any faster or more stable than running them on my 32bit XP with 4 Gig (yeah, 3.25) memory. That's not how it's supposed to be, right?

     

    We need to be able to manually allocate where the memory goes. I'd force most memory to my Photoshop, editing programs etc., and other work applications, leaving Win7 only with what it absolutely needs.

    By the way, even disabling Aero doesn't help all that much here, just a tiny bit. It also doesn't say for WHAT hardware all this memory is allocated. There's no printers, external drives, or anything else.

    So, if Microsoft really cannot make it so that we can manually allocate memory to where we need it, how about listing exactly what device/hardware/software is taking up how much memory (active or passive), and then letting us shut off what we don't need.

    I know there is something similar possible with the new extended Task Manager but that doesn't really work for finding out what inactive hardware all this memory is reserved for.

     

    Thanks

     

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:51 AM
  • Really sorry to hear about all your problems, could it be that the download got corrupted?

    Because frankly for me and from what I understand for pretty much most others this beta is pretty great.

    Personally I've had less issues from the get go than with XP. Everything truly worked right away, including internet, all hardware, and so forth.

     

    That's for both the 32 bit and the 64 bit version by the way.

     

     

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:55 AM
  • Hi All...

     

    I am testing Windows7 on My Home PC.  I am an XP user,  not very satisfied with VISTA so decided not to choose the VISTA upgrade.

    I am not any fancy gamer, using PC@home mainly browsing, simple editing, kids use lots of on-line edu programes and lots of school curriculum programms.

    It was a Clean install for me, decent I must say had no issue related HW  and peripherals my FUJI-Xerox LP and Epson RX510 all installed as I wanted, chose the driver comes with OS.

    My creative Live Web! cam, wonder why,  need a manual driver update, chose the vista drivers though, same thing goes with the SMB controller and Co-processor needed manual driver update downloaded from MSI.

    Disable and Windows Defender and related MS based security stuff including firewall;  I choose to Install Norton Internet Security...  So far so good...  atleast for me... :-)

    Install OpenOffice... (sorry guys... for my kind of editing ... OO3 is more than enogh.. MS Office kind of  you know why... )

    Install FF3 and SAFARI... both working okey.. 

    IE8 / FF my browser of choice in W7...

    I am still messing around with W7... though the occasional hanging, mostly with explorer and WM player...  not able to kill the process... try to restart... waiting on the "Shuting Down..."  every time forcing me to reach out for my magic button...  ( atleast once in a day for me -  I am trying to isolate one by one )

    I am waiting for every MS updates and tips and tricks from the forums too.,, to stress test it further...

    Cheers

     

    I am currently installed on (MSI AMD Athlon 64bit / 2GB / 2* 300GB SATA with NVIDA GForce 7300)
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:46 PM
  • Thank you to Ronnie Vernon for pointing me to this forum topic.  I have been having problems with the feedback option in Windows 7 but this forum will do just fine for wanting to send feedback.

     

    I like to type a lot and I like to be as detailed as I can.  This is what I am going to be talking about in my post:

    1. My Problems Networking between Windows 7 and Windows XP Media Edition
    2. How I was able to solve my problem
    3. What I think Microsoft should do to prevent this problem with other users
    --------------------
    1.  This was my problem as posted on the forums. I had spent hours trying to make it so that I can access the files on my Windows 7 Desktop Secondary HDD from my Windows XP Media Edition laptop. 

     

     2. I have changed so many setting such as:


    First thing that I tried to do when I finished the installation of Win 7 was to network my computers so that I can share files between one another.  My desktop (with win 7) was able to pick up all the computers on the MSHOME WORKGROUP like a pro.  However, I cannot go from my laptop and view any of the shared files on my desktop.

    What I am trying to access on my desktop from my laptop is my second HHD with all my vids and back up files from my previous installations.

    These are the things that I have tried (most of which are what people recommended me to try):

    • I tried setting up a Homegroup
    • I killed the homegroup and started to change the WORKGROUP by right clicking my computer
    • I changed all the "Advanced Sharing Settings" to a more favorable selection (file sharing and no passwords needed)
    • I changed where it would say Homegroup into Work network
    • I tried numerous times clicking "Fix a network problem"
    • I tried turning off the firewalls on both computers
    • I turned off the UAC
    • I made sure that the HDD was set to be shared and made all the setting the way that I like them (all access no passwords)


    3. What I liked about XP was that I was able to go through the Network wizard and set up all my computers to see each other and has worked since day 1 out of the box and back then, I was no where near as Network knowledgeable as I am now.  Also what I liked was that I could have people come up to me and ask me what is wrong with their network and I would tell them to run the wizard to see if that would fix things.

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:31 PM
  • I love it so far, everything is faster and easier to use. I have had a few issues, but what the heck it is a beta edition.
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:14 PM
  •  

    To DarkKnightSlayer:

    Did you follow the steps from this guy? http://kroycom.com/blog/how-to-join-a-network-workgroup-in-windows-7/

    Worked for me, that networking thing drove me crazy too so I feel your pain. :(

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:01 PM
  • Thanks for the info Donuthero.  I will use that when I start my new project.  I finally got it working but it took a few days and a great smack with a cyber baseball bat...  To be honest, I have no clue how it started working, I am just glad that it did.  (My New Progect)
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:29 PM
  • Windows 7 Beta 1 Build 7000 is more faster than Windows Vista SP1 and SP2 Beta. I use this build on HP dv6215ea laptop (I use 2GB RAM) with SanDisk Extreme III SDHC 4GB card as ReadyBoost. Windows 7 beta 1 is also more beautiful and easy to use than Vista.

     

    Cheers

    Paweł Nyczaj

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:53 PM
  •  

    Feature Request:

     

    Please add Filmstrip mode back to the available view options in Windows Explorer similar to how it was exhibited in Windows XP.

    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:26 PM
  • Well...

    My english is sucks, anyway i hope you guys understand.

    First, i like from many features of the windows seven, like the new taskbar, the nice shortcuts, everything!

    All the 30 tips of this page is VERY VERY USEFULL.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2009/01/12/the-bumper-list-of-windows-7-secrets.aspx

    Only one thing must be made: keep the old settings of the windows vista.
     
    Like:
    * The old taskbar, some peoples don't will be like this new one, so let's the user choice! put the both!!! (i like, after a while using :P)
    * The live messenger, that tray icon for me is a pain in the ____, btw some users like, so, put the both options (without the trick of compatibility mode)
    * The quick bar! omg i miss that, i see a tip for put it again, btw is much more easy maintain the both options too, you like that? put yourself without any tricks!
     
    Understand my concern?
    It is not about innovation, it is about change things and not keep the old ones. Some people like the old stuff!
     
    So, please, make an operating system that can be customized by the user, we will love. (at least me :P)
     
    By the way, IE8 is much more stable than the old versions, it's a good think i guess.
     
    []'s
     
    Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:18 PM
  • Hello,

     

    Installed the Windows 7 Beta today, using the lastest build and I must say that I'm very satisfied so far. It was installed on my Asus G1 notebook and I liked the fact that all the drivers were installed automatically instead of using the old school method of downloading each driver from the website then installing then restarting after each install. Installation was quick for Windows 7 and driver and any updates that were available. The speed is quite fast, very comparable to my previous OS, WinXP. I like the UI very much, though very similar to Vista, I must say that I like Windows 7 Beta much much more than Vista. I'm surprised that the computer was able to install my network printer with only a click of a button, while my desktop WinXP 64-bit is having issues.

    Well, this is all that I have to say so far. Still getting used to the new Start-up menu and the little minor stuff. I will check back once I install more applications on my computer and see how it runs then.

     

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:17 AM
  • Installed Beta a few days ago and man have I been having fun with it.  I ran Vista for over a year and enjoyed it for what it was, but Windows 7 is much better.  Had no problems updating and everything is functioning fine.  No crashes to report.

    Load time has to be half of what Vista was.  It used to take me over 5 minutes to restart, and that was without even updating anything.  W7 is lightning fast in comparison. 

    The new taskbar goes beyond just cosmetic improvements.  When you take advantage of jumplists it makes the thing hugely customizable.  Right now I can pin jumps to Win Explorer and Control Panel icons, eliminating much of my need for the start menu and system tray (and man is nice that i can clean that stupid tray up!).  The peek function is nice, though I wish it worked a little more fluidly than it does now.  Also, W7 should include an instant viewer of all windows like my intellimouse allows; it just makes sense.

    UAC customizing is welcome.  I have it on for some tasks.  Honestly just being able to get rid of that frightening gray screen that accompanied the prompts was an improvement.

    Compatibility has been only a small issue, and W7 has been able to find solutions to most of them from the start. 

    Really I can't believe I'm running a beta version right now.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:34 AM
  • Developers of Windows 7 are presupposing basic familiarity with the internet. This is a false assumption.  Many a new computer has been purchased by (or for) someone who is entering the computer world for the first time, just to see the picture that "Cousin Alonzo" has posted on his new website or to get the email pictures someone sent Grandma.

     

    With Windows Mail or Outlook Express included within the OS, one can set up just the email account for Grandma and take the necessary time needed to teach her all the other things she needs to know about internet safety, netiquette and protocol later.

     

    If a baby boomer (those that have the most disposable income, Microsoft...) purchases a new computer with Windows 7 but no on-board email program in the OS, this is just asking for trouble. Microsoft wants to justify leaving the email program out "to make for faster download and install." This logic makes no sense as supposedly, the OS is only downloaded or installed once or twice in the life of the computer. Email will be checked almost daily.

     

    If a user is a geek, he/she is probably already using LINUX anyway.

     

    Developers: Make the system as secure and stable as possible and forget about download/install size. No one chooses an OS for its install speed but for its reliability. Also, don't lose sight of the fact that people do not turn on their computers to interact with the operating system. They turn it on to get work done or play games. The best system is one I DON'T have to think about or change out of the box (like having to download a mail program as soon as the user turns it on for the first time.)


     
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:08 AM
  • Re: microsoft moving email/photo/movie stuff from installation disk to download from internet

     

    I'm guessing this has something to do with getting around monopoly issues.  Microsoft gets hassled with lawsuits any time they included something reasonable for free in their OS.  They are accused of bundling and using monopoly power to crush the competition.

     

    In Europe right now, Opera (the browser maker) has brought suit claiming that bundling Internet Explorer is an abuse of monopoly power.

     

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:09 AM
  • Luna Tick said:

    The search, or I should probably say The Search, as for some reason it seems to be a pivotal computing concept that doesn't even work as it should. Now I don't do a lot of searching, and frankly, I'm at a loss of what could people be constantly searching for, but Ok. Problem is that I can't really search anymore. First the thing starts grinding away as soon as I send the first keystroke (I'm not done yet you stupid cow!!!), and then to actually get something I want to find takes ages to execute fully - and then I don't get it even. I hate to be one "resisting change" but really, when I do search I want to search. Pop a dialog so that I can specify rigid or lax criteria, press a button and go fetch. Instead there is this stupid interactive, contextual thingamajig that only results in adding gray hair to my head. I can't specify whether I want to look for a filename or text inside, file attributes, size, and where to look. I either get 2 million results or none at all. Not to mention there is a serious problem there somewhere, and if one does something too abrupt explorer.exe begins to eat memory until in my case reaches ~1.5GB and of course everything crashes. It is probably single most retarded thing in the entire system and is good for no more than wasting time. If they're so hell bent on it fine, but give those of us that actually use it to search for things, a tool to do so. I'd be willing to press a button to get there and it doesn't even have to be cute or smarter than the average bear - as a matter of fact I would prefer it wasn't.


    THANK YOU THANK YOU.  I've been going nuts trying to figure out what's wrong with my system b/c I don't see anyone else complaining about the search and surely, this CAN'T be how it is, but now I know I'm not alone.

     I hate the search system.  any time I try to search anything it eats up huge amount of memory, max my CPU. then the explorer window stops responding. I have to kill all explorer.exe processes and restart the shell.

    I tried updating sata driver. then uninstalled it.  turned off NCQ. chkdsk /f.  checked "don't use index". turned off windows search (i.e. indexing) service.  no antivirus.  finally, ok, I decided to do things its way, went into indexing options, and picked out what I may want to search.  it took about 7 hrs to index half a million items, during which time I refrained from using search.  finally the search worked. 

    wait, not so fast!  If I try to do a file operation (copy/move/delete) after a search, my cpu hits 100% and stays there several minutes, memory usage shoots up by 1.5G.  everything slows to a crawl as my disk grinds away.  I'm guessing it's updating the index.  eventually memory usage goes back down but one explorer.exe process still maxes out one of my core.  after 15 mins of this, I give up and kill it.

    I hate this whole indexing thing anyway.  you just know the index will get corrupted at some point b/c they have a handy rebuild index button right there.  please just let me have the old XP search that actually works and doesn't kill my system.  spare me the new supposedly fast indexed search.  I'm not google.  I like to use my computer for something other than building a search index.  I don't need to search content of files as I use a grep tool for that.

     and that search box?  "make it as simple as you can but no simpler".  the search box breaks that maxim.  give me an optional search dialog that lets me control the search.

     I have a X2 3800+ with 3G ram.  should be enough for W7.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:18 AM
  • I agree, this is exactly why I just have to shrug my shoulders and wring my hands.   Who would ship such a thing?   Who would not object to this dysfunctional Search function?  Yet, practically all I read here are kudos from people blissfully snorting at the Win7 trough.  So whatever.

    Here's a helpful clue.  In Vista (which I reinstalled), you can find a lot more if you first enable viewing Hidden and System files in the Folders options.  Search can still  take 20 minutes to find obvious things, but at least it will discover, say, FLV files tucked away inside Content.IE5 and its subfolders.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:19 AM
  • This is finally fun.   When those first betas of Vista came out, almost nothing worked from outside suppliers.   MS even posted a Antivirus site and when I installed it it would delete VIsta.    I ran the programs twice with the same results.   My ATI Allinwonder video card had no drivers, and ATI has no plans to release any.   Just means I never buy another ATI product.   My experience with VIsta Betas was very negative. 

    WOW  here comes WIN7  and everything that has been corrected to work with Vista works with WIN 7.   I can find so few complaints I am now telling all my chat friends to jump from XP direct to Win7 when its available.   I dont feel its so bloated with unnecessary stuff that it slows down my computer.   I sure dont miss the nag screens everytime I try to do anything.    My experience so far has been an  A +.   May be one of few, but congrats to MS for getting this one right.  

    Amateur Geek
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:40 AM
  • ...I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic?

    Either way, it was the perfect reply to my posting that immediately precedes it.  Perfect.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:58 AM
  • Hi. Jeff, from the Windows Outreach Team, recommended me to bring here a post I wrote some days ago in a Zune forum, regarding Windows 7 and Customization. Here it is:

    "Zune Software-like theme for Windows 7?

    Ok, so I joined this forum to see if it was possible to start a sort of campaign regarding Windows 7 and customization. I'm a beta tester, really happy so far, and liking the overall feel it has. However, I think it's about time the customization on Windows gets open and official.

    We already know how great the interface of the new Zune Software is (I'm referring to the PC program), from the organization to how it looks. To be honest, that was what really moved me to buy a Zune in the first place. It's clean, fresh, modern, and completely unique - it doesn't look like anything else. Since I tried it, I keep hoping Microsoft realizes how well thought it is, and do something to implement it on Windows - and this is where we make our moves.

    Now, this isn't coming solely from a Zune user. I'm a customizer, and doing so since I started using Windows. The default theme always get tiresome - sure, the shadows and transparencies do look nice, but after some time of doing actual work, they start getting in the way. That's why I always tend to a plain theme.

    For the first time, I'd feel that I can keep the default theme, and be really happy with it (although doing some tweaks, basically some colors of the fonts). If not a default theme, it could be introduced in a kind of Marketplace, where you could download complete custom themes (not how it is right now, where you can just download the default theme with some tweaks -- I'm talking about complete skins, icons, wallpapers, fonts, etc.).

    So what are your thoughts? Should we start a campaign? Any ideas? I'd be glad to hear them."

    For the people that haven't seen the Zune Software before, I leave this link: http://flickr.com/photos/zune-vs-ipod/2107294890/I believe its design and uniqueness are so strong that I'm willing to start a campaign - wether Microsoft making a default theme like the Zune Software, or including it in a kind of Customization Marketplace.

    I hope Microsoft is listening, and I'd be really glad if they responded me directly. And if anyone wants to be part of this, just speak - would be more than welcomed.

    Regards.
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:21 AM
  • I wish folks would stop treating this like the final release!  It's a Beta 1.  You don't know what's going to be included in the final.  There's a lot more to come from what a lot of MVPs and MS insiders have indicated.  Try everything out and report any bugs to MS.  Let them know what you like and dislike.  Let them know what you'd like to see.
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:47 PM
  • Well, if we subtract-out the majority of posts, which are gushing with approval and seem to think this should be the final release,

    And we subtract-out the dozen or so that are bitterly pointing out its shortcomings,

    Then we seem to be left with only one post.  Yours.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:02 PM
  • @sonnystarks

    I think you Sir are 100% correct that when people buy a computer they want to use it not stare at it. But I don't think it should be Microsofts' job on the OS level. There, there's no sight to lose. Cousin Alonso does not buy a computer in the computer parts store and usually does not know OS, Windows7 from sticks and twigs. That is why we have software developers and computer system vendors to take care of such things. And if you are more knowledgeable one who buys one for him, well then you're also knowledgeable enough to set it up including installation of basic functional applications he'd need.

    I'm not against MS creating their own software, some of it is really nice and useful, but I am against them cluttering things up for the Grandma Hilda's sake. I don't think she should be excluded from the wonderful world of technology but if MS wants to introduce their own implementation of certain tasks, it should be done either at an optional or completely separate OS install package level.

    I also don't want MS's O/S development efforts to concentrate on providing integrated e-mail, browsing, media players, photo processing or what have you for the sake of doing so. It may be convenient for grandma but it is highly inconvenient, counterproductive for people like me who either have no use for such things or have much better alternatives which often enough, prove to create a conflict with the ones supplied by (and not just with) the OS. An Operating System should be just that, an Operating System which creates basic abstraction layer providing common environment, methods of interfacing and communication between applications, devices etc.

    Outside, Microsoft preach about design methods, separation of various layers and then turn around completely opposite with "Do as I say, not as I do".

    • Edited by Luna Tick Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:05 PM ...
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:58 PM
  • I think one of the main things people have to remember is that this is a beta test of the software. None of us are aware of what will be in the final version of the system. The interface works wonderfully, not a big change from Vista but is polished, it is not the only change though. Many internal changes were made to speed up the system and keep it running smoothly.

     

    MS isnt about creating OS's for techies they are about creating OS's for the standard user and most of the changes made in windows 7 benefit the standard user

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:12 PM
  •  THIS IS WHAT WINDOWS HAD TO BECOME. I LIKE IT. IT WAS WHAT VISTA WAS TO BE LIKE AND BY GOD THEY HAVE DONE IT WITH 7! AND THIS IS THE BETA VERSION! WOW CANT WAIT FOR THE FINISHED PRODUCT. ALL MY SOFTWARE IS RUNNING ALL DEVICES ARE OPERATING AT THERE FULL CAPABILITY. I LOVE THE ACTION CENTER! MICROSOFT STILL DOMINATES. TIME TO BUY MORE STOCK.
    perona
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:12 PM
  •  Upgrade install went well,  so well in fact 2 other employees had to upgrade to try and make it fail, It didn't.   Only lost use of the SW C597 aircard.  Novatel cards worked. So far working better than expected.
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:15 PM
  • I forgot to add that I'm loving Windows 7 it has an excellent UI and makes access to everything easier. It also eliminates a lot of clutter on my desktop with the new taskbar and the response time is to die for.
    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:42 PM
  •   

    To start, this feedback hasn't yet been sent using the feedback tool but it will soon. I need this post up before I send official feedback due to the pretty pictures.

     

    In my time with Windows Vista's and 7's Explorer I've noticed both the Details and Preview Panes to be somewhat non-intuitively designed. Almost as if they were designed specifically for some types of media and not others. The details pane, I'll say, does work equally well for most every file with metadata - I only disagree that it should be placed on the bottom of the window, though I see why it's there. The preview pane, just doesn't work as well as users would hope. The vertical layout works well for documents but falls flat for images and video. To alleviate this, I suggest the Details and Preview Panes be allowed to dock on a second edge of the window, giving the users more control over how they preview each type of media.

     

    Generally, when I want to display many items I make a vertical list - not a horizontal one. Using one in the Details Pane, rather than 3+ columns, would make it more welcoming, appealing, and easier to follow. While the current horizontal pane does have its strengths (compact layout) it also has weaknesses (pre-defined column width), and I feel a vertical pane is still somewhat compact and addresses the (admittedly small) weakness. Not only that, but for images, and possibly music, it could serve as a capable Preview Pane as well.

    http://cid-76b00797655744f0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Windows 7 Feedback/TN|_MDetPane.jpg

    Well, all that is fine and dandy but what about the Preview Pane then? The newest Explorer's preview pane simply wasn't made for viewing most images and videos, we could argue up and down but the general consensus is that it doesn't work as well as people would like. One of the major complaints about Vista's and 7's Explorers is the lack of the thumbnails strip. Docking the preview pane to the top of the screen could replicate Windows XP's preview pane easily and provides large thumbnails for wide images.

    http://cid-76b00797655744f0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Windows 7 Feedback/TN|_MPrevPane.jpg

    So... don't keep me waiting! What do you think? :-)

     

    Edit: Images showed up in the preview but not in the actual post... hold on...

    Edit2: Link to 'em.

    Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:11 PM
  • Personally I've no problem with the Details pane (already useful to me) but I think they both great ideas for implementing those preview and definitely much better than what the Explorer serves up now in terms of media file preview and meta information. I'm not really missing the filmstrip myself but current Preview Pane is next to especially useless for images (and even video) with all that dead space. I also don't know if it's a bug to be addressed or a "feature" but if you set the options to Never Show Thumbs, the Preview displays thumb placeholder as well, lol.
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:12 AM
  • i like the 2nd design, tho both are much better than the current one, which is good for previewing documents but lousy for pics or videos.

     

    what i like to have is an option for mouse hover preview, such as we commonly on the web these days

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:59 AM
  • I know that my name gives me away. I saw the news about the availability of 7 beta for download and thought I would see what it was like.  I of course did a clean install. And so far it seems to be a nice piece of work. I have been a good boy, using the feedback links when appropriate. And so far the IE 8 seems to be the thing I find most broken, nothing serious, just little things. One of the more annoying for me is that IE, though it has an Icon on the panel, doesn't have a dock button I can click to minimize. To minimize I have to move the mouse to the little minimize button on the top.  Perhaps there's an "Alt +" combo for this I just don't know yet. I guess that's for another thread.

    If anybody cares: Shuttle AB60R Mainboard, 2.0 Ghz Celeron, 1 Gig ram, 60 and 40 GB hard drives, the 40 the system hasn't shown me to be there, HP DVD-RW, Sony CD-RW, built into an old Dell XPS P166 box.  250 GB external USB drive. and the usual peripherals.

    For me, this has a learning curve, but it's not too bad.

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:17 AM
  • installed easily without fuss

     found all drivers -even specialsit one s for my merc stealth keyboard and razer mouse

    runs better than win xp 64  or vista 64  for my system

    now how much am i going to get back for my copy of vista when they launch win 7- or vista as it should have been

    however it will not run games well

    bf 2 etc is a  stuff up- no ingame communication

    evenbalance- punkbuster gives kicks (updated program files etc) tried running as admin etc

    any solutions

    and is their anyway of giving details directly to deveelopers?

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:42 AM
  •  
    legacy2013 said:   ...MS isnt about creating OS's for techies they are about creating OS's for the standard user and most of the changes made in windows 7 benefit the standard user

    Uh, excuse me, but that is precisely their heritage.  They have only gradually by degree, begrudgingly made Windows the kissy, candy-coated O/S for Consumer Appliance Users that it is today.

    In fact, the historic issues with Windows generally resulted from their not meeting the mark in either direction.  The UI advances are late-in-coming me-too knockoffs of others' work that is hung over things as an afterthought.  The low-level technology is almost always an overly ambitious yet diluted replication of existing or evolving standards.

    Now really, that IS what it is, and always has been for the past 25 years.  And we've enjoyed using MS products the entire time anyway.  But c'mon guy, don't make me barf with such a naive, distorted, brown-nose comment.  As though Microsoft needs your defense.



    legacy2013, read the post that immediately precedes yours from Luna Tick (and also his earlier post).  He's right.

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:54 AM
  • I personally love the taskbar and the ribbons. However, I wish you would put the Sidebar back in and would continue to keep the balloon tips to a minimum. In my test machine, it bugged me every time I started it up because I didn't have antivirus software. It gets annoying.
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:22 PM
  • However, I love the speed. How long it took XP and Vista to load Visual Studio has literally been cut in pieces! (And this is just running with less than a gig of RAM.)
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:25 PM
  • ISO burning capabilities are great, but please can we have the ability to mount an ISO image as a drive in Windows 7?


    Mark Wilson (MVP Virtual Machine) - http://www.markwilson.co.uk/blog/
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:49 PM
    Answerer
  • mark-wilson said:

    ISO burning capabilities are great, but please can we have the ability to mount an ISO image as a drive in Windows 7?


    Mark Wilson (MVP Virtual Machine) - http://www.markwilson.co.uk/blog/



    I ditto that for Vista!

    And while we're at it, how about making UDF/LFS work with DVD-RW, so it will work like a floppy disk?  It would be so nice to see that before USB flash-drives replace DVDs altogether.   I mean, like, has 10 years not been enough patience?

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:10 PM
  • egads said:

    mark-wilson said:

    ISO burning capabilities are great, but please can we have the ability to mount an ISO image as a drive in Windows 7?


    Mark Wilson (MVP Virtual Machine) - http://www.markwilson.co.uk/blog/



    I ditto that for Vista!

    And while we're at it, how about making UDF/LFS work with DVD-RW, so it will work like a floppy disk?  It would be so nice to see that before USB flash-drives replace DVDs altogether.   I mean, like, has 10 years not been enough patience?



    I ditto that one too. Both iso and udf
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:34 PM
  • egads said:

    I agree, this is exactly why I just have to shrug my shoulders and wring my hands.   Who would ship such a thing?   Who would not object to this dysfunctional Search function?  Yet, practically all I read here are kudos from people blissfully snorting at the Win7 trough.  So whatever.

    Here's a helpful clue.  In Vista (which I reinstalled), you can find a lot more if you first enable viewing Hidden and System files in the Folders options.  Search can still  take 20 minutes to find obvious things, but at least it will discover, say, FLV files tucked away inside Content.IE5 and its subfolders.


    egads: try unchecking 'auto expand current folder' in folder options / general.
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:34 PM
  • i don't know what happened, but today when I sent feedback, i actually got a progress bar, then a thank you for sending feedback screen.  before, the window just goes away when i click send.  i guess all the feedbacks i've sent til now have gone into a black hole.
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:47 PM
  •  
    barth2k said:

    egads: try unchecking 'auto expand current folder' in folder options / general.



    Maybe I will succumb and reinstall Win7 on one of these computers.  I'm really dying to.  But I already gave it a go, and decided I'd just stick with Vista's quirks, most which I've wrestled to a satisfactory point.  I really saw no benefit in going through that again with Win7.

    The moment I saw what MS did with Explorer Libraries, that was practically enough for me to wipe the disk.  I immediately dropped down to the Command prompt to confirm it is a Junction.  Yeh, that's what they're doing, all right.  At that point, I figured for sure there'd be some hideous infinite loop problem that would emerge.  I think that's what we're talking about here.  Like I said, I'm really dying to tinker around with it.  But what a waste of time.  You know?   If I do, I'll get back to you in the other thread.   (BTW: Good find ! )

     

    But I'll add:  Even if Search didn't gag like that, I still object to the undisciplined OOP-like interface that both you and Luna Tick mentioned.  I can't get it to do anything predictable.  It's really a low-point.  In fact, it's downright insulting.

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:08 PM
  • Anthony_Mann said:

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7. Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues, create a new thread.

    Please keep this in mind when posting to this threat. We are at page 11 now with more than 200 posts, so please use your own thread for special discussions.

     

    I appreciate those nice shortcuts for handling window position and size. It's the most useful improvement for my everyday work which I've seen in Win 7 so far. I'm working with two LCDs and I love the ability to move a window to the other display but just using a short cut. Very useful when working with a beamer or if one monitor isn't used all the time.

    Looking at the GUI, contrast could be improved especially with menus. The taskbar needs some tweeking, too. I would like to see something like Apples icon zoom, but maybe they got it patented. At the moment, I can choose between big icons (too big for many display resolutions) or quite small one which can easily missed. Find something which enables zooming without being too close to Apple's dock.

    Please improve the visual feedback for running applications. It's often not so easy to spot all running applications (increase contrast). The idea behind the new taskbar is very nice.

     

    I'm missing the option to get my network status by hovering over the connection icon or by right-clicking on it.

    Some stuff seems a bit cluttered. Eg. keep restoring and setting restore points (is this the correct translation?) together in one space.

    From what I experienced on my PC and what I read in several threads, Win 7 needs improvement with networking and using sleep mode. Default all device energy settings to "don't wake up". There are really many threads concerning standby/sleep problems.



    Windows 7 x64 - Gigabyte EP-45-DS3 (Intel P45 chip set), 4GB RAM, ATI 4670
    Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:53 PM
  • Stepinsky said:

    Please keep this in mind when posting to this threat. We are at page 11 now...

    ...I read in several threads, Win 7 needs improvement with networking and using sleep mode.



    You are aware there are 2.5 million betas, aren't you?  Be glad we are only on page 11.

    And maybe you'd like to help us keep this to a minimum by posting your APM bug to the existing thread you mention.

    Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:23 PM
  • Hello people, i can't send feedback and i will tell you my idea on this topic :) My idea consist in a changement in the user interface. I have seen lot of images on a fantastic Windows 7 Circle Dock and i know that is not ufficial Microsoft interface. I'll hope that this Circle Dock will be reality becouse for me Windows needs a new interface and not a remake of Vista's interface. This Circle Dock is innovative and for me it's adapt for touch screen! Linux's desktops are wonderful, clearly and very usuful. Users that aren't competent in IT and see the same interface, says "Windows it's always the same..." and they stay with Xp or Vista but if they will see a new interface for example the Circle Dock, they say "Wow, Windows 7 has a wonderful interface!!!!!!!!!!!" I hope that my idea one day could be  realized one day! (sorry my bad english ;))

     

    Best regards.


    Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:52 PM
  • I have 20/100 vision in right eye, 20/200 in left.  So I don't have low vision per se, but much less than perfect.  I don't require use of the wonderful magnifier, nor do I need the high contrast scheme, which is frankly ugly.  I do need to use font scaling at 125%, and I run my 1680x1050 monitor at 1440x900. I know I'm not supposed to do that, but using native resolution requires me to push the scaling to 150% for comfortable use.  Running at that high a dpi causes too many problems with too many apps.  I also customize windows fonts & metrics and use "standard" font smoothing.  All of these combined have allowed me to use Windows fairly comfortably since 3.1.

    But starting from Vista, something has changed.  Something about the Aero interface, though pretty, really makes text hard for me to read.  I tried a Vista beta or RC and found it very fatiguing to use.  Vista also ran horribly on my then-new system so I never upgraded.

    Now, I'm trying 7 beta and it runs generally much better on the same system.  However, I still have the same problem with text.  It seems like Vista/7 has really taken Cleartype up a notch.  There's too much color fringing.  Yes I've tried the tuner utility; it doesn't help.  I much prefer XP's "standard" font smoothing, which uses grays to smooth edges of font rather than whatever it is that Cleartype does.  Standard font smoothing also works equally well on black text/white background and white text/dark background.  Cleartype may look good with small black text on white background, but on larger text or white text/dark background, the color fringes become obvious and distracting.  I don't see how having rainbows improve legibility.

    There's no standard font smoothing option in 7, but even when I duplicate the registry HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\fontsmoothing* entries I find in XP which (I hope) forces 7 to use the same font smoothing technique, text in 7 still looks a bit faint and fuzzy by comparison.  Using the magnifier, it's easy to see why this is: in XP, the letters are solid blacks with greys around the edges to soften them, whereas in 7, the greys encroach more into the letters, making them look faint and fuzzy.  On some letters, there's more grey than black.  It's as if 7's font smoothing is too aggressive.  If I set fontsmoothing to 1 or 0, then the text is dark but with clear jaggies, looking like raster fonts in the old 3.1 days.  (Naturally, I'm comparing using the same video card, resolution, DPI, fonts, and [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics] which I imported directly from XP.  I've also tried both an ATI 4850 and a nvidia 7600GT with same results.)

    I've also bit the bullet and tried to run in native res, but this did not help.  (From my general experience, running in non native res doesn't make text look worse.  No one using my computer has ever complained about it.  Once when my brother with 20/20 vision was using my PC, I changed the screen to full res thinking he'd appreciate the extra room, but he didn't like it saying the text was too faint and told me to change it back.  I think non native res just gets a bad rap.  Obviously, if you do graphics work, you don't want scaling.  But I'm a coder, so it's not a problem.)

    I don't know if what I'm seeing is due to a change in the font smoothing function, or a change in how the desktop is rendered in general.  I'd really appreciate it if someone at Microsoft can make a comment or look into this.
    Friday, January 30, 2009 5:13 AM
  • Just a quick suggestion.....

    You can actually do that.....Just right click on the taskbar.....click on create new toolbar......browse and choose the folder where you place all your program shortcuts (for programs you want to quick launch - if you don't have the folder - create one and load it with all the shortcuts that you like.) and whalah - a new min tab will appear right next to your UAC and hidden folders....click on that and Voila! a pop-up will appear with all the shortcuts in that folder, click a short and it will launch....It's just like a customized version of quick launch - in one folder!

    Try it....

     

     

    Friday, January 30, 2009 5:35 AM
  • Lhyksus, your suggest it's very beautiful but i think in  Windows interface there is no costumization(it's my modest opinion). I don't know if you have seen Compiz, Emerald, Cairo Dock, Avant Windows Manager on Linux... They are fantastic with lot of personalization!(so that there are competitions for the most beautiful desktop!) Also Mac OsX it's wonderful to see with his interface Aqua. I think that Windows interface it's obsolete though Aero has trasparency etc... I think Microsoft have to do a new user interface with importante innovation specially in Windows 7 where it is touch.( for me, for example, Windows 7 Circle Dock is good innovation) I hope someone of Microsoft team read this my modest opinion or someone can say it at Microsoft team... :) Today, if i should buy Windows 7, i think that i will not buy it becouse important innovation, as filesystem, as user interface, as kernel, there aren't. It's my modest opinion :)

     

    Best regards!

     
    Friday, January 30, 2009 7:02 AM
  • I'd like the say the current taskbar is ugly as hell. However, with a few modifications, I get it looking like Vista again, that toolbar I fell in love with. I love the "show hidden icon" feature as well. The way Libraries and documents look make you want this to be your permanent home. There are so many things that you want to make all yous but it's a beta so most likely it won't be the same all the time. Unless you can just upgrade from beta to beta w/o formatting, just an update. Is that how it works?
    ECS GeForce7050M-M (V2.0), AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 5600+ (OC: 3.2GHz), 4GB OCZ Titanium XTC DDR2-800 Memory, Creative Audigy 2 ZS, EVGA 9500GT 512MB DDR2 (OC'ed) and 6GB Flash Disk for READYBOOST. Running Windows 7 beta build 7000. My Windows Experience Index (WEI) Score is: 5.3
    Friday, January 30, 2009 7:08 AM
  • barth2k said:    ...use font scaling at 125%, and I run my 1680x1050 monitor at 1440x900...push the scaling to 150% for comfortable use....

    I am acutely aware of these same issues; maybe you would start a new thead and explain the tricks you've learned?  I will watch for it.

     

    I would like to say this to Microsoft:

    Yes, there is a real magic to getting the spacing of things to work well.  You seem to know that,  having composed some really excellent fonts.  With those fonts, you take in not just words, but even whole phrases at a glance.  Others, with bad font spacing, you need to read one-letter-at-a-time and it makes you feel dyslexic.  White spacing on pages is similar.  Ever notice a magazine ad or billboard where you take it all in, at a glance, before you even read it?

    My point is:  in Control-Panel, the All-Icon mode spacing is terrible.  I admire the excellence of the graphics, but the overall effect is IN YOUR FACE.  Somehow, I cannot find anything even though I'm staring right at it.  I need to move the mouse-arrow item by item to pick anything out.

     

    DarienHawk67 has given other examples and suggestions on this very topic.

    Friday, January 30, 2009 8:36 AM
  •  I really  do NOT like it  when files are reported as having been created, say,  3 minutes ago.

    It would be a nice addendum, though.

    This is good:  Created 1-29-09 at 6:30am,  3 minutes ago.

     

    But the way you're doing it, Microsoft, it's not helpful.  It's inconvenient.  And insulting.

    Friday, January 30, 2009 11:37 AM
  • Installed with problems - at Setup your computer for first time use screen I get a black screen with a top blue line. Solved using F8 and choosing Low resolution mode.

    Founded all drivers ( some were installed directly, some using WU ) except Microsoft Fingerprint  - strange as is a Microsoft product.

    I have problem with the use of interface - in Vista I still use Classic Menu  - I don't like it as is white - not skinned, but at least is there.

    I have increased the number of programs in Start Menu to have more space to scroll for programs, but I really need the Classic Menu back - could be skinned, having transparency, but to have it. Also putting a checkbox in Taskbar properties to enable Quick Launch - could be easy instead of using tweaks to show it up.

    There are still old style menus especially for settings - less that in Vista, but still gives a impression of broken interface - no continuity.

    A small problem is with hidden icons in taskbar - well, just I don't like the way they group in that window.

    Also I have some problems with Now Playing windows in WMP, because is separate from the rest and is dificult to see a file properties - have to switch to Library to get Properties. Also having different dimension is annoying to the eyes when switching between Now Playing and Library. Also some codecs seems cannot register correctly - ffdshow tryout - don' work the video.

    In WMP - I see it can play AVCHD FILES ( m2ts ), but only selecting them one by one - not if inserting an AVCHD DVD - format not recognized - so no menu at all.

    Performance is good, definitelly more fast than Vista ( even if it takes about 120 mb more sistem memory at clean install ) but still a bit slower than XP.

    An other problem I found - I cannot activate - I've sent the error code through Feedback. It's strange as internet works well, but activation fails, some times i don't get a progress bar, some times the progres bar has 90% when fails.

    Friday, January 30, 2009 12:23 PM
  • I am Loving it had one small issue with duel booting but was easy to fix I just want to keep this after beta is done but with % computer dont know if I can aford to switch them all to it :-(

    I would like to see one feature add thats a 4 or 6 pane file explorer Like power desk 2 or 3 panes on the left with the file tree and 2 or 3 on the right for sub tree

    that just makes life so much easyer when move file around on a net work or backing up

    Bearclaws

    Friday, January 30, 2009 4:54 PM
  • The Pig and the Princess

    So a few years ago, in the early days of Vista, I talked my wife into getting a laptop for herself (and keep her off my pc!).  She eventually agreed as long as I didn’t spend a lot of money; she still saw no reason to have one since I have a good PC.  So, I shopped around a bit, trying to find a good, low cost, laptop.  All she ever really does is some email, a little light surfing, and some digital camera picture manipulation. 

     

    I finally decided on a pretty decent (for the time) Acer, Vista Certified and all that.  It did only come with 512mb of RAM, but shoot, I have 2 gigs on my XP machine, surely she would need more ram, so I paid about $550 for laptop and an extra $50 for another gig of RAM.

     

    So, as it is booting for the first time, my wife is asking me, “Why is it so slow?”.  I explain, it’s only the first boot, it’s configuring itself etc… give it a bit to get organized and the 2nd boot will run much more smoothly.  So finally, it drops us to the Vista Home Basic desktop and I immediately reboot as to judge its real boot speed.  On 2nd boot, it was marginally faster, but still horribly slow for a laptop right out of the box. 

     

    Over the next few days, I spend a great deal of time trying to speed it up, turning off disk indexing, killing all the new pretty graphics, disabling prefetch, stripping msconfig of anything I can get away with, disabling UAC, anything to try and speed this pig up.  In the end, I only marginally increased it’s overall performance but it still left me with a very sluggish laptop. 

     

    Stuttering on DVD playback seemingly at random, constant disconnects from our wireless router, difficulties with sharing between the XP box and the laptop, and 3 minute boot and shutdown sequences was starting to make me angry, not to mention my wife, who now started to say things like “I hate this laptop”, “Why do I get the PC that sucks?”, “Why did you buy me a piece of junk?” “Why did you waste our money on this?”  …after only 2 weeks of use.  ARG!  The Vista Ready sticker begins to taunt me and invade my dreams.  Peeling off the sticker doesn’t help, HA!

     

    So, I redouble my efforts to improve the situation starting with the most pressing problem, its’ seeming inability to connect and stay connected to the wireless router.  I place the lap top less than 2 feet from the router and begin tinkering with the laptop and the router.  Signal strength reported by Vista Basic is excellent.  Hit connect, it says it’s connecting for like 2 minutes, then returns back that it could not connect, no reason given.  Oh, occasionally it would connect like there had never been an issue, but it was so random as to not be even worth it.  My solution?  I ran about a 30 foot CAT5 cable to the laptop.  A year or more later, Service Pack 1 did not improve the situation at all, so I began discussions with my wife that Windows XP might be the solution, but that’s still a $100 we couldn’t justify as we just had our first child. 

     

    So one day, my wife hears on the news that Microsoft is going to start offering downgrades from Vista to XP, and she is soo excited that her laptop might actually work as intended.  Unfortunately, after I research the issue I find that it only applies to new versions of Enterprise and Ultimate.  So, early adopters of Vista get bent over and… I’ll let you fill in the rest.  Explaining this to my wife was painful to say the least.  In the end, we just accepted what we could not change and at this point, my wife begins to refer to her laptop as “The Pig”.  The pig is taking forever.  The pig can’t find my pictures.  The pig is popup spamming me.  The pig won’t play my DVD etc… I begin to develop a smoldering hatred for all things Vista.

     

    So, along comes Windows 7 Open Beta and I decide to give it a run on my highly tuned, super speedy XP box, just for something to tinker with for a while and I was very impressed.  I was expecting more of the same even with all the ridicule that MSFT had to endure over the last few years.  Every device and component on my aging system was recognized and the install was flawless (my dual boot issues not withstanding and eventually resolved).  I was so pleased with how speedy Win7 was I was beginning to think this might help my wife’s laptop some.  I was especially interested in trying out the new Homegroup network config.  The engineering windows blog really made it sound like MSFT had a change of philosophy regarding home networking.

     

    So in the dark of the night, while wife and baby sleep, I pop in the Win7 32bit ISO, blow away everything on the laptop HD with the install Fdisk and install Win7.  I’m pretty sure my hands were sweaty with the thought of what was to come if this didn’t work out or if things got worse.

     

    (Insert a Chorus of Angels and Rays of Light from the Sky here)

     

    Install went flawlessly, every device recognized, and it booted from cold start to desktop in like 30 seconds!  The desktop was very responsive and it looks like most of the aero features are turned on, very pretty and smooth, even with the fading windows, glass boarders, taskbar previews, and nifty new show desktop hotspot.  I had Win7 64 on my XP box up, so I set up a homegroup password, unplugged the CAT5, type the password in to the laptop and… More Angels and Light!

     

    Homegroup saw my PC immediately and connected wirelessly without any intervention by me. I loaded up Picasa, pointed to my PC’s photo library, and away it went, indexing the 1000’s of images it contained.  Amazing!  So I figured I would go for broke, pulled a DVD off the rack, popped it in, and OMG, Windows will play a DVD natively!  I skipped around the DVD, trying to make it stutter, but to no avail.   Thoroughly satisfied with DVD playback, I went to exit it but accidentally minimized it instead.  As I went to click on the taskbar to open up the DVD playback so I could quit the program, up pops the new preview pane, and there was the movie, playing perfectly in the little pane.  No stutters, no skips, no lag, just instant movie in the little preview pane.  I think I might have wet my pants at this point…

     

    The wife was very skeptical the next morning, but Win 7 won her over pretty quickly.  She even said it was like I bought her a whole new laptop!  As I was showing her a few new things, the background changed and she squealed in delight.  It’s a simple thing, but it switched while we had a DVD going in a window, email open in a window, Firefox open and minimized, and Picasa open but minimized.  If I had done this, (with a 3rd party background switcher), Vista Basic would have coughed up a lung then stuttered for 5 minutes.

     

    So both our machines have been running Win 7 for a couple weeks now with no issues (HP’s refusal to build Vista Compatible Drivers for it’s older equipment not withstanding) and no disconnects.  The other day I was home for lunch and asked her how the pig was running.  She got all upset and said, “Don’t you dare call the Princess a pig!”  Amazing…  I haven’t the heart to tell her it’s only good until August then it will cost us a boatload of money for two licenses, but oh well.  Let sleeping dogs lie.

     

    So, Thank You Microsoft!  My only request/advice would be to sell a 3 License, Home Upgrade or whatever edition so millions of homes can upgrade almost all of their aging and new PC’s (regardless of what version of windows it is currently running) to Win 7 in the $150 range, Bill already has enough money to save Africa.  Vista has left you in a deep karma debt and you could wipe it out in one fell swoop.  Consider wisely and keep up the good work, you have truly turned a pig into a princess!

     

    TL;DR  Vista gets owned!

     

    Friday, January 30, 2009 10:12 PM
  • Can't exacty remember where I read the article but to wit: Microsoft came out with an advertisment to hire tech people to work on Native virtual drive for windows 7.  I have tried testing some Virtual drive software with Windows 7 beta and they don't work so obviously Microsoft is still working on this technical aspect. The software I tried to test were: Magic ISO, Ultra ISO, Rocket Division Starburn, Virtual Clone, Alcohol 120.  Funny there is one software though which beautifully works with windows 7 beta which I still am using - Gizmo.
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:39 AM
  • Oh, by the way have you tried opening the dropdown option list in Windows Media Player? When click it, a drop down menu will appear and one of the items says"Download Sisualization" - obviously it's misspelled should have been "Download Visualizations". Hope Microsoft will correct this.
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:45 AM
  • I've never experienced a beta 1 this stable. However the IE8 included in the build is the usual crash prone IE, with or without add-ons. Call it "what Vista should have been", call it new or call it whatever you wish. I like it.
    It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged and unfortunate among us.
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:51 AM
  • Whew! wonderful article. As for me Windows 7 beta has been causing me an unexpected inconvenience. After installing it in my PC I have had no privacy in my own room where my PC is located. My son who has an Acer Aspire keeps on using my computer because he likes it. I tool him to dual boot his laptop but the dude is afraid to mess up with and OEM unit. Shucks! I sometimes end up sleeping in my living room. Windows 7 beta! look what you've done!
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:55 AM
  • Yeah right, Both Microsoft OS Vista and Windows 7 are useless! Check! That's why Linux and Apple get to share less than 10 percent of the market. MS Systems and OS so useless that 88 percent of the Worlds Corporation use it. And Linux - Gee it's so useful for only less than 8 percent...What a paradox...If Linux is that great it should at least be at around 30-40 percent of the market....how can you justify it's usefullness with a less than 8 percent market share: Lovely! Chulah, chulah!
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:39 AM
  • Brimstone67 said:

    The Pig and the Princess

     



    Did you ever try to run a box-version of Vista, that wasn't crippled by OEM-Ware?

    Have you tried polluting your Win7 installation with that same OEM-Ware?  How does your Acer notebook run then?


    Just curious.


    Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:20 AM
  • Lhyksus said:

    Oh, by the way have you tried opening the dropdown option list in Windows Media Player? When click it, a drop down menu will appear and one of the items says"Download Sisualization" - obviously it's misspelled should have been "Download Visualizations". Hope Microsoft will correct this.



    Someone else had made mention of this also.  However, mine seems okay.

    Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:57 AM
  • WindowsReview said:

    Windows 7 could be called Windows Vista 1.3. It's vista the way it should have been.



    I would have to agree on this seeing how much of the programs keeps refering to "Vista"
     though I think the dissabling of the seors that monitor waht you added or removed is a nice touch..another nice touch is I am rather surprised at the stabillity of the system even after disabling the cache and SuperFetch...

    Other then that I liked how it found everything, And I am a Dell dimension 5150 with only the vidoe card as the only changes made to it..Ill get the ram next month..:) unless I win the lottery, then I'll just build my own system(s).
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:48 AM
  • Oh sorry about that, I didn't mean that Media Player Interface - try the other one - on the same screen that you captured; go to the  bottom left corner of that screen and click on the arrow that will change it's interface to - (to the all blue one). when that is up, go to the upper right corner where there is a small down arrow with the label "List Options" ; that is where you can see the word Visualization misspelled as Sisualization....
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:50 AM
  • Opps bottom right corner not left....
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:15 AM
  • Anthony_Mann said:

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7. Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues, create a new thread.

    Thanks

    -Tony Mann


    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums



    Hey this is 10 days I'm trying Windows seven. First impression, I had a smack in my face for visual interface, since I came from Windows XP and didn't have personalized it. It was just wonderful. It's now ten days I do not play videogames anymore, I've of course bought the Xbox 360 but Windows seven is more passionating.
    First comment: it seems one time I shut off the computer without quitting properly W7, due to necessity to change post location, and then when it starded back I had this screen: "Windows ddn't shut off correctly. Please choose the way you want it to start: Start normally..." If there is no propblem, W7 ins't able to start normally as WXP does it (as I know) well? Argument: it seems unfamiliar for new users.
    Sorry for my long thread, I have lot of ideas and promise to try to be shorter next time. And tell me welcome! I'm new here!
    Zelda fan
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:04 PM
  • Lhyksus said:

    Oh sorry about that, I didn't mean that Media Player Interface - try the other one - on the same screen that you captured; go to the  bottom left corner of that screen and click on the arrow that will change it's interface to - (to the all blue one). when that is up, go to the upper right corner where there is a small down arrow with the label "List Options" ; that is where you can see the word Visualization misspelled as Sisualization....

     

    Oh snap!

    I didn't notice that all.  I will submit my feedback via the built-in feedback mechanism so that it can be fixed.  Admittedly, I have never seen a simple spelling error on any Microsoft product.  This is a first.



    Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:07 PM
  • I installed Office 07 finally on w7... switching to Vista to read doc's was a pain, and I'm on w7 all the time anyway. I slapped all office apps onto the taskbar... god I love this OS, I'll be first in line at launch.

    A nice feature though, would be the ability to limit the amount of items in the jump list's MRU list, maybe an option in the taskbar properties to choose an amount. Some jump lists get pretty massive.

    Haha sisualizations.
    Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:22 PM
  • xDirect said:

    I installed Office 07 finally on w7... switching to Vista to read doc's was a pain, and I'm on w7 all the time anyway. I slapped all office apps onto the taskbar... god I love this OS, I'll be first in line at launch.

    A nice feature though, would be the ability to limit the amount of items in the jump list's MRU list, maybe an option in the taskbar properties to choose an amount. Some jump lists get pretty massive.

    Haha sisualizations.

    I would have clicked it right away if it was mispelled as "downloand Sensualizations" hehehehe.

    Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:18 PM
  • * "UP folder" button gone, please put it back.

    * "Invert selection" please put it back.

    * Status bar only shows details for 15 files, after that it stop showing details and says "click here for more details" that's bad when you are trying to drag-select a bunch of files and simply isn't needed.  Please make it always show details.

    * WINDOWS DON'T SAVE POSITIONS!!!
    this is the big one.  very stupid and I flat out will not use Vista 7 or recommend it to anyone if you don't fix this bug.
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 3:39 AM
  • walk2k said:

    * "UP folder" button gone, please put it back.

    * "Invert selection" please put it back.

    * Status bar only shows details for 15 files, after that it stop showing details and says "click here for more details" that's bad when you are trying to drag-select a bunch of files and simply isn't needed.  Please make it always show details.

    * WINDOWS DON'T SAVE POSITIONS!!!
    this is the big one.  very stupid and I flat out will not use Vista 7 or recommend it to anyone if you don't fix this bug.


    * Yes please, please please!!!
    * Don't use it too much, but when I need it, it sure comes in handy!
    * This is a huge omission, i'm sure when people are drag-selecting to get a bunch of files up to a certain size (say to burn to a cd or whatever) how can you possibly do this if it stops counting at 15, a modern operating system should be more than capable of counting over 15, windows xp did this, vista actually is the same behaviou, anything over 15 need to click more details - and it take a long time to figure out the total size of 79 items in my case!
    * Ya, i like the documents folder to have a different size folder than the recycle bin, but whatever i set the recycle bin to the documents folder now does the same, strange....
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:17 PM
  • Yeah even worse is you can turn off the new screen-hogging "details pane" and turn back on the old nice-compact "status "bar" (push ALT, select it from View menu), but ooops they removed the byte count from the old status bar... In fact it ony shows the # of files selected... THAT'S IT!

    Yes that's exactly what I'm trying to do, select files to burn to DVD, or move to another disk that only has limited room or something.
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 6:16 PM
  • Hey peolle could you speack english a little bit those times? I would like nicely to vote for one of your suggestions, but how would I do if I don't uderstand a-word of what about you are speaking? I try, always, to be understandable when I give feedback as if I was talking to somebody who doesn't know exactly the cause and effects of my Bug, I speack to developers exactly the same as I speack to my Mom when I explain her Windows. So please, even If you get (and I'm not sure it's the best way) non-precise feedback to developers, at least they may have the report summary uploaded by Windows, (Which kind of content is send by this way, as luckily Microsoft still respect our privacy, not like Blizzard? Do Microsoft has enough comments as this thread have only 12 pages and a few messages a day? Who sends feedback, who have ideas, and who is clear?) so please be Kind, please be patient. Write us in english.
     
    For instance, my first language is french. So in english, usually, I understand most of the things written and try to be done in return. I have a great idea. Not that if people purpose me to explain their will, then I will vote as I must, not as if a "one-way-thinking-man" stills tells "I won't use your Windows because Microsoft is Monolythic and risks (lol) to become Monopoly", but as a simple man, I purpose something:

    Please give us the tools to develop on Windows seven before others, and please in drag'and drop way cause I know Visual Studio express 2008 C# for the Windows forms, but it isn't still enough simple for a "Noob" as me.

    As I had this idea, I have thousands.
    ;)
    Zelda fan
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 7:13 PM
  • If Windows 7 is really Vista 2 then how come that some Software that runs on Vista will not run on Windows 7 , I'm thinking particularly of Bluetooth Software ??
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 7:36 PM
  • sorry for the long post, but feedback isn't working for me (again) so I'm posting here in the hope it gets to the devs.

    accessibility issues:

    1) if's great that the magnifier auto opens when i hit win & +.  but when I zoom back out to 100%, I think it should automatically close too.  i think it makes sense that if user invokes it this way and zoom back out, he's just interested in a quick see and doesn't rely on it all the time.  

    it's quick enough to open again.  leaving it open takes up more space on the taskbar. it can also hang, as it often does if i log off and back on.

    at least this should be an option.

    2) there's a font that's used throughout the UI, e.g., windows help, send feedback dialog.   I find it hard to read,  (I'm not using cleartype b/c I have a problem with it.)  I think it's Segoe UI but I tried doing a font substituee in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes and it does nothing.  I'm not expecting this to be changed; I'm hoping someone can tell me what it is so I can try replacing it.

    3) I asked for this elsewhere, but please bring back standard font smoothing like in XP,  also, make sure the same font smoothing is applied everywhere.  7 seems inconsistent.  some part of the UI is aliased differently than other.  for ex: text on taskbar's toolbar is aliased differently than text on start menu.

    general issues:

    1) add me to the list of people who like the new taskbar in general but annoyed by the way multiple windows of same app is handled.  no point in clicking the icon only to get the preview.  you can already do that with a moue hover, and it's inconsistent with normal behavior. (I know about ctrl+click, but it's too much work for both my brain and hands when I have to do it dozens of time in a day)

    2) BUG: 7 keeps resetting some of my settings for no discernible reason. e.g., requiring passwd when waking from sleep, start navigation sound set to default after I changed it to nothing, monitor sleep time changed to default 20 mins.  

    3) BUG: 7 keeps changing my tray icon customization. for ex: it keeps changing task manager from 'show both' to 'show notification only'.  speaking of which, why not have an option to show the CPU meter in the taskbar icon itself.  use the new capability.

    4) how about tweakUI for win 7? I'd like to get rid of various aero peek delays, for starter.

    5) give me more control over restore.  it's frustrating when 7 decides to delete restore points that I really wanted to keep.  there's no way to mark a restore point as "keep until I delete".  at least warn me when 7 is about to delete a restore point I manually created so I have the option of removing some other restore points (another request) or increase  disk quota for restore points.  not sure if this is possible.
    .
    general comment:

      much of the things that annoy people are there because they need to be there for newbies (and by newbies I don't mean people who aren't tech savvy; just people new to Windows or 7).  it'd be nice to have different beginner / advanced / expert / custom modes, where each mode is a collection of settings presets.  so beginner mode would be the default windows settings.  expert mode would, for ex, have lower UAC, classic control panel, details view by default, no hiding of known extensions, no delay with aero peek, etc etc.  so at installation, I can select expert mode and have it working mostly as I like it.  when I do tech support for someone, I can temporarily switch on expert mode then switch it back when I'm done.

    thank you for reading.
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 9:03 PM
  • roger1944 said:

    If Windows 7 is really Vista 2 then how come that some Software that runs on Vista will not run on Windows 7 , I'm thinking particularly of Bluetooth Software ??



    Windows 7 isn't the Vista 2 as you say. This for three reasons: First, 7 is based on Windows NT base, so as you saw It is fast and effective on small configurations which is not the case (and never will) for Vista which is heavy. In easy words, Seven is developed from scratch and is adapted to be compatible with Vista, but that's just our work at us, to tell which devices are compatible or not.
    Second, 7 isn't the Vista 2 because it is revolutionnary. For me, of course, it was, as I came from XP. People coming from Vista see actually less changes that I did, but they  (they will) they are not fortunated because of the Power difference when we compare XP, Vista, and Seven: 7 is for me more a XP2 in its future success. As I say that, I mean Vista had already incompabilities with Windows XP, and I can say there are more softwares designed for XP than for Vista. There are more computers and families running XP than Vista too, XP launch happened years ago and still is the best for experts. Seven will be HIS successor. I don't know why, I sense it.
    Third, 7 isn't a sequel of Vista cause U make suggestions. People who make suggestions are heard by developers. Developers have greater hardware to work than ever before. Seven can be a great thing. Just have ideas and make it happen!
    Zelda fan
    Sunday, February 1, 2009 9:10 PM
  • General note to all complainers about the user interface and UAC: PLEASE try openSUSE, Ubuntu and/or Mandriva and then complain about Win 7 (and of course, Vista)
    Monday, February 2, 2009 1:37 AM
  • lonewolf said:

    General note to all complainers about the user interface and UAC: PLEASE try openSUSE, Ubuntu and/or Mandriva and then complain about Win 7 (and of course, Vista)

    Does Fedora count? Am I allowed to complain now? ;)
    Monday, February 2, 2009 3:15 AM
  • Now Luna Tick, you know that is not what I necessarily meant. (don't you?) wink, wink. It's just that sometimes this and the vusta site seem like /.  . Interestingly, openSuSE took 34 min 43 secs to load on clean HDD with a E6750  ocd to 3.16, and 8Gb of DDR2 800 RAM while WIN 7 load on my lapto with 2 gb ram and 1.66 cpu in under 25 mins So, it seems MSFT is headed in the right direction.
    Monday, February 2, 2009 3:37 AM
  •  I have just set up Windows 7 beta as Dual boot with Vista Home Premium Edition. Ive been running Vista up until now with dual display's (24in Monitor & 32in LCD HD TV) with Media center & games primarily displayed on my LCD 32in HDTV (secondary Display) & pretty much everything else on my 24in Monitor (Primary Display).

    I have encounter a slight glitch when doing this as I have children who want to use Media Center while I 'm working using the 24in Monitor. If they use the Media Center remote control, most functions dont interfer with what I'm doing, but thats not the case with the mouse as even though I have two mouse pointers & keyboards (usb, bluetooth) but they work dependently some times leading to mouse wars between myself & the kids.

    I've often thought wouldnt it be nice if I could Lock the bluetooth mouse to the Media Center screen then continue my work using the usb mouse rather than having to pause what i'm doing in order to allow the kids to complete whatever task they want. Now we have Windows 7 may I ask is it possible to run seperate dual mouse pointers in Windows 7 like you can with a MAC? "Multipoint" seems to have the potential to achieve Dual mouse control, Could this be implemented into Windows 7 FC & Media Center? it would help finaly bring some harmony to my household.
    Monday, February 2, 2009 6:29 AM
  • The current hapazard use of different ways to access menus and commands across 5 different MS programs is a mess, and reminscent of the old Windows 3.1 shareware days.

     

    Microsoft seem to be caught in their own confusion with the constant 'hiding' of Menus.  You have menus, but they are hidden.  Then instead of the hidden menus, you have created other menus (Organise, New Folder, Share with, Burn, Print, Open, Sort, Preview Pane...).

    So let's recap:
    1. You took away menus
    2. In their place you put some... menus
    Conclusion: By trying to tidy up menus, you instead created twice as many menus, which is half as tidy.  This is messy and inconsistent!

    How to get to menu options is more and more inconsistent in every program by the same company!:

    The problem (in pictures): http://tinyurl.com/b4s9pn

    It's not just menus.  The same inconsistent, muddled, confusing approach applies to Vista and Windows 7, which provide users with too many different ways to achieve one simple task.  This leaves everyone but power users circling the mouse around going "errr..." while they remember which of the 5 different ways they want to open 'Computer' today (or whether it is even called 'My Computer' in this version of the O/S!).  Read more on that separate complaint here.

    Please Microsoft - SERIOUSLY - employ a team leader overseeing ALL teams, who understand Neatness, Simplicity, Consistency, and Logic. I am perceptive to the needs of customers, understand psychology, and I know you are going SEVERELY wrong here.

    The current situation you have stumbled into is a bigger mess than a messy pig called Mrs Messiness.  I have never, ever, considered getting a Mac... but now for the first time in my life, I am.  Your policies are a disgrace.  I am stunned beyond belief.  A truly shocking mess of an OS.

    I'm not just complaining, I have the solution too:

    The solution (in pictures): http://tinyurl.com/clqoju

    • For all programs that can use them, use Ribbons.
    • Where you can't use Ribbons, use the above pictoral solution.

    There you have your solution - two, and only two ways to access program features - always in the same places, always familiar, always consistent and friendly.  Isn't this better than the current mish-mash?  It has got to be better than the current seven different constantly changing varients!

    If you agree please rate this post and maybe MS will listen.
    Thanks, CJSnet
    Monday, February 2, 2009 11:29 AM
  • Major change of policy suggested:

     

    One of the biggest problems Windows has always had is THERE ARE TOO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO ONE THING.

    This leads to the inevitible non-pro user 'um-ing' and 'err-ing', circling the mouse around in a scatty fashion, stuck in a perpetual indecisive state, as they try to work out which is the 'quicker' of the 5 ways to do the 1 task they want.

    I have seen so many people do this, from techies in their 30s, to grandmothers in their 60s, that I am amazed MS haven't picked up on it yet!

    Having 'lots of options' is a false economy Microsoft.  The time taken for the brain to work out which 'way' to pick, more than obliterates any potential speed gain by having all those ways!

    I am a pro user and even I still go 'err...' and wave the mouse around when trying to do something as simple as open Computer!
    "Shall I go Start > Computer...?"
    "Or shall I right-click Explorer > Computer...?"
    "Or shall I double-click the desktop Computer...?"
    "Hmm each is 2 clicks... which shall I do... maybe the one nearest the mouse cursor today...?  Wait, I've just lost 10 seconds productivity DAMMIT!"

    There are similar issues for renaming a file.  
    "Shall I right-click and rename...?"
    "Or shall I click on the filename slowly twice...?"
    "Hang on what about Organise > Rename...?"
    "No wait, how about Alt > File > Rename...?"

    Same issues again for moving or copying a file.
    "Shall I press Ctrl+C...?"
    "Wait, no, I can right-click and choose Copy...?"
    "But is that as fast as opening 2 windows and dragging the file across...?"
    "Hang on, I could just drag it onto the folder tree at the left...?"
    "DAMN where's that lovely right-click Copy To... option gone that I used to use all the time...?"

    Microsoft need to evaluate which is the absolute fastest way to achieve one result, then turn all other methods off by default unless the user turns them on via a simple checkbox in Options.

    For me it is easy, I just removed Computer from the Start Menu and desktop.  MY WORK SPED UP!  I now always know to INSTANTLY right-click Explorer > Computer.  No time deciding, it is a quick habit now. 

    I guarantee this speeds up productivity.  It is easy to think 'lots of options' is a good thing, but just like having lots of food in the fridge makes you bloat with more weight, so does having lots of routes to one destination make you bloat the time taken to reach that destination.

    If you agree, please rate this post.


    Thanks, CJSnet
    • Edited by CJSnet Monday, February 2, 2009 5:02 PM
    Monday, February 2, 2009 11:30 AM
  •  Uh, how did you bang both of those out, with only 1 minute separating them?  I am way in agreement with your complaint.  But I have a different solution:  There should be two schemes.


    #1  for high-level Consumer Appliance interface (eg, Media Center), it should be kissy, candy-coated, ribboned.

    #2  for lower-level Computer Maintenance interface (eg, Explorer), it should be pure business.

    Monday, February 2, 2009 12:29 PM
  • egads said:

     Uh, how did you bang both of those out, with only 1 minute separating them?  I am way in agreement with your complaint.  But I have a different solution:  There should be two schemes.


    I'm a fast typer ;)  Either that or I copied it from another thread I started. 

    As long as your solution is consistent across the board rather than the current mish-mash, I don't mind.

    Thanks, CJSnet
    Monday, February 2, 2009 2:48 PM
  • TURN LIBRARIES OFF BY DEFAULT SO EXPLORER ACTS JUST LIKE VISTA

    Many people hate Libraries.  That is what I gather from reading feedback, and what I agree with.  Everyone who uses Vista has their own system already sorted out.  However, some (mainly more power users), will find Libraries useful.

    The problem is Microsoft has replaced the way we are used to working, with the Libraries way BY DEFAULT!  That is the wrong move in my view.

    Here is the solution, which - if Microsoft are listening - they will employ:

    • *** Turn Libraries OFF by default ***  This is crucial.  Leaving them on as default will confuse 90% of users, many of whom have all their folders organised just how they want them.

    • Have a radio button in Folder Options like this (and unchecked by default):
      • Use Libraries

    • Turning it ON only, will:
      • Make the Explorer taskbar button open the Libraries folder
      • Turn all the Start Menu links into links to the related library
      • When browsing for a file from within an application, it will open up in the Libraries folder
      • Libraries appears on the left of explorer windows

    • Leaving it OFF (as 90% will I assure you) will:
      • Ensure the taskbar Explorer button opens the User's main folder
      • All Start Menu links will open the relevant User folder
      • When browsing for a file from within an application, it will open up in the User folder
      • Libraries will not appear on the left of explorer windows
      • Reinstate the 'filter' buttons to the Search window's toolbar just like Vista: [Documents] [Pictures] [Videos] [Music]
      • Media Center and Windows Media Player will however have their own media libraries just like users are used to with Vista

    Those in favour of giving the user the choice?
    Thanks, CJSnet
    • Edited by CJSnet Monday, February 2, 2009 9:59 PM
    Monday, February 2, 2009 4:33 PM

  • Microsoft need to evaluate which is the absolute fastest way to achieve one result, then remove all other options (apart from keyboard shortcuts which are 'hidden' power user options).


    MS has to accommodate the beginners and experts alike.  the fastest way will not be the same for everyone.  it's fine to have options and leave it to the user to figure out what s/he likes best, just as you figured it out for yourself.


    I agree with you on the menu mess.  Somewhere along the line, MS decided the good old menu was too hard and tried to get rid of it.  Then they found out oops, sometimes the menu really comes in handy and put it back, but darn it, we're really trying to get away from menus, so we'll hide it.

    I don't have office 2007 so my first exposure to it was using Paint.  I thought it was a pain having to constantly switch tabs to change zoom or edit texts etc.  maybe with a really complicated program the ribbon pays off, or maybe it's even more painful.
    Monday, February 2, 2009 4:37 PM
  • barth2k said:

    MS has to accommodate the beginners and experts alike.  the fastest way will not be the same for everyone.  it's fine to have options and leave it to the user to figure out what s/he likes best, just as you figured it out for yourself.

    Somewhere along the line, MS decided the good old menu was too hard and tried to get rid of it.  Then they found out oops, sometimes the menu really comes in handy and put it back, but darn it, we're really trying to get away from menus, so we'll hide it.


    I agree with you on your first comment about too many ways to reach one goal, and edited my post accordingly, to this: "Microsoft need to evaluate which is the absolute fastest way to achieve one result, then make all other ways off by default unless the user turns them on via a simple checkbox in Options."

    I loved your comment about MS's thinking on menus.  That must be exactly what happened!

    As for Ribbons, once you use them you will love them.  They are a great replacement for menus as they combine a menu and a toolbar and look pretty.  The issue is some programs are not suitable due to space constraints (e.g. Explorer windows), and that is why it is fine to have glassy buttons there - but no more than those 2 options: Ribbons OR Glassy Buttons with a 'More' button.

    Thanks, CJSnet
    Monday, February 2, 2009 4:54 PM
  • i find the overall expereince improved over vista, faster, more reliable, shinier, and easy to navigate. i am not too fond of the homegroup or libraries, i think the regular sharing method had worked fine.

    IE 8 - thumbs down, I will be using firefox as my rimary browser now.

    New taskbar - thumbs up, nice visuals, works good

    Improved UI is great, shiny, nice to look at and menues are good

    UAC control easier to manage and works good

    desktop personalization is good, a bit more segmented and seperated than before but still easy to use and navigate to make changes to settings

    improved network connections icon in taskbar is awesome! connecting to vpn and other neworks much easier, less windows and clicks to get the task done compared to vista.

    driver and program compatability has been good, have not had any issues yet with all the programs i use at homea nd for my job

    I would like to see less versions of the OS when released as RTM, i only see need for 2 consumer versions,  there could be others such as "N" for Media center removed to be used in EU and also a vlume license of edu version

    1. Windows 7 Home/Ultimate (incl media center and no need for a basic or premium version, make the "extras" an addon through windows update or downlaod center, also no domain functionality)
    2. Windows 7 Professional (replacement for enterprise and business editions, removedsmedia center, adds domain and other business ready security enhancements, bitlocker and others)

    Monday, February 2, 2009 5:00 PM
  • I forgot to mention the libraries, as mention CJSnet I recomend what he says, i am one of the users who manages my own fiels and will turn off the libraries given the choice.

    libraries does not amek it more simplified, it actually complicates it more!
    Monday, February 2, 2009 5:03 PM
  • CJSnet said:

    Many people hate Libraries.  Everyone who uses Vista has their own system already sorted out.  However, some (mainly more power users), will find Libraries useful.

    The problem is Microsoft has replaced the way we are used to working, with the Libraries way BY DEFAULT!  That is the wrong move in my view.

    Libaries seems like a half baked idea.  I want to use it, but its limitations just makes it tantalizingly frustrating.

    1) I want to add individual files.  I want to create a library of wallpapers, composed of pictures I plucked out from different folders at whims.  I have to create a wallpaper folder, include it in the library, and add shortcuts of the pictures to it.  But shortcuts get treated as shortcuts so I don't get nice thumbnail previews.  (Why can't we have symbolic links already?) I could copy the files, but it's unnecessary duplication.

    2) I want to exclude folders.  I have a partition full of audio files.  I want to include the whole thing in Music.  But I want to exclude my audiobooks and a few other things.  I now have to either reorganize and put everything I want in the library in one folder, and take the other folders out, or individually include everything I want.  But I want windows to accommodate me, not the other way around.

    3) I want to have file filters.  Messy guy that I am, my picture folders inevitably have other file types in it.  Each library should be aware of its main content and have an option to 'show only these files by default'.  There should be presets for videos, pictures, music, etc. with option to add your own extensions.

    I'm sure it'll be improved in win8, and we'll all say this is what libraries should've been in the first place.
    Monday, February 2, 2009 5:13 PM
  • barth 2k said:

    1. Windows 7 Home/Ultimate (incl media center and no need for a basic or premium version, make the "extras" an addon through windows update or downlaod center, also no domain functionality)
    2. Windows 7 Professional (replacement for enterprise and business editions, removedsmedia center, adds domain and other business ready security enhancements, bitlocker and others)

    I am ok but wish a special edition like Solaris edition: the developer's. Find in the end of my comment.

    But first, I am obviously turned out how THIS forum doesn't work. Finally it works. It's been two days I try to connect and get that page: error 500, "Microsoft Technet. Sorry, we are unable ... blablablabla". First I try to send bugs reports of Seven's, but forum mustn't be bugged as well! Anyway it is a nice forum and there is an answer for, my way, I halfely agree with barth2k.

    ->> barth 2k

    "1) if's great that the magnifier auto opens when i hit win & +. but when I zoom back out to 100%, I think it should automatically close too."

    I agree.

    "4) how about tweakUI for win 7? I'd like to get rid of various aero peek delays, for starter"

    If tweak UI means tweak user interfaces, and if "get rid of" means "I'd like to have more", yes, I agree.

     

    "much of the things that annoy people are there because they need to be there for newbies (and by newbies I don't mean people who aren't tech savvy; just people new to Windows or 7). it'd be nice to have different beginner / advanced / expert / custom modes, [...]"


    I perfectly agree. With all the sensitive folders (C:/Windows) definitely hidden, no sensitive tasks supposed to be done by a beginner. A system perfectly stable. (Of course there is the Limited account, under the administrator, but that's not that yet). Possibility to switch, for you or me helping another, and finally, I am thinking, but it is a little different, but not so much, for a: "Windows Seven Developer Edition", where there is a coherent database of help and index or teaching about IP, TCP, RAM, CPU, C Languages, (F#??) principle data and all the things we have to know on The Windows System, to, if we have ideas, develop ourself applications we need then submit to Microsoft for aprovement with or not proprietary, with or not money making. This could be a good way for beginners who know a little 7 more than Mom
    and, of course, who could interact with Microsoft team to make a World team. Ideas go to Microsoft, Microsoft has the OS with these Ideas. Microsoft has sold a DVD or Blu-ray of a solid Windows seven edition, including coherently all the free tools we could download and organized help. Make me step by step and drag and drop solutions and you are sure you will have a KODU maker, while he is not creating videogames, creatings Windows apps, which can be, let's remember, Genius!

    ;)



     


    Zelda fan
    Monday, February 2, 2009 6:04 PM