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  • Hi All,

    This maybe a really open ended question, but can you run agile projects e.g. sprints etc, in Project? We have Project Online and some users who work in that way. They have plans which are edited a lot, and lack some confidence in the tool e.g. want to use Excel

    D

    Thursday, November 26, 2015 3:21 PM

Answers

  • Have you looked into Microsoft's Team Foundation Server (TFS) Online? Great companion tool to Project Online and does well managing agile projects.
    • Marked as answer by PPM Dave Tuesday, December 1, 2015 9:14 AM
    Thursday, November 26, 2015 4:21 PM
  • If your project can define the execution logic (predecessors/successors), task/deliverable names, durations and/or work (in hours or days of consumed effort), etc. ... then yes, Project cam be used to model and compute projects that are called as "agile".

    Sometimes, though, "agile" projects are run without a firm definition of deliverables, tasks, etc. so if those descriptions not known or defined, then computing a cost/schedule model in Project will be difficult.  

    Interesting that you say "lack of confidence" in Project is a reason to use Excel. I guess what they are really saying is that they don't understand how or want to do the standard project cost/schedule computations which Project implements (critical path, earned value, progress measurement, etc.)

    Excel is a great tool. But what's interesting and valuable to understand is that Excel is more akin to a piece of paper.  There is no structure or framework "out of the box" with Excel. It's a blank sheet of paper. The user has to figure it out, define the algorithms, code the algorithms into the spreadsheet, test and maintain the code, etc.  It really means nothing to say "use Excel". What's important is to understand the computations that are done in Excel to represent the project.  Saying we "use Excel" is sort of like saying "we use paper and pencil". 

    I've learned that project control algorithms and related data structures are not trivial and to replicate what Project does in Excel is not practical or probably even possible. Yes, you can do something in Excel to keep track of information about a project, but to say it's up to the standard of Project would be foolhardy.

    Stand on the shoulders of giants and use Project to help do project computations.  Or if the projects don't warrant an approach provided by Project, then don't use it. 


    --rms www.rmschneider.com

    • Marked as answer by PPM Dave Tuesday, December 1, 2015 9:14 AM
    Thursday, November 26, 2015 4:37 PM

All replies

  • Have you looked into Microsoft's Team Foundation Server (TFS) Online? Great companion tool to Project Online and does well managing agile projects.
    • Marked as answer by PPM Dave Tuesday, December 1, 2015 9:14 AM
    Thursday, November 26, 2015 4:21 PM
  • If your project can define the execution logic (predecessors/successors), task/deliverable names, durations and/or work (in hours or days of consumed effort), etc. ... then yes, Project cam be used to model and compute projects that are called as "agile".

    Sometimes, though, "agile" projects are run without a firm definition of deliverables, tasks, etc. so if those descriptions not known or defined, then computing a cost/schedule model in Project will be difficult.  

    Interesting that you say "lack of confidence" in Project is a reason to use Excel. I guess what they are really saying is that they don't understand how or want to do the standard project cost/schedule computations which Project implements (critical path, earned value, progress measurement, etc.)

    Excel is a great tool. But what's interesting and valuable to understand is that Excel is more akin to a piece of paper.  There is no structure or framework "out of the box" with Excel. It's a blank sheet of paper. The user has to figure it out, define the algorithms, code the algorithms into the spreadsheet, test and maintain the code, etc.  It really means nothing to say "use Excel". What's important is to understand the computations that are done in Excel to represent the project.  Saying we "use Excel" is sort of like saying "we use paper and pencil". 

    I've learned that project control algorithms and related data structures are not trivial and to replicate what Project does in Excel is not practical or probably even possible. Yes, you can do something in Excel to keep track of information about a project, but to say it's up to the standard of Project would be foolhardy.

    Stand on the shoulders of giants and use Project to help do project computations.  Or if the projects don't warrant an approach provided by Project, then don't use it. 


    --rms www.rmschneider.com

    • Marked as answer by PPM Dave Tuesday, December 1, 2015 9:14 AM
    Thursday, November 26, 2015 4:37 PM