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BPA not present in SBS 2011 console

    Question

  • Hi,

    I've freshly downloaded and installed MBCA 2.0 and the WSS BPA, but when starting and running it, there are no updates offered, and the report is the old one - with all collections disabled except 2. I have selected console integration at installation time, and in my console.log I see 3 lines indicating the BPA Scan, Engine, and Update feature(s) are added (WSSGBPA.xml).

    The update appears to run, but log says nothing found.

    So, I run bpaupdate.exe manually from the \bin folder. That gets me an update available notification, and when I run the BPA I now have a version 1.1 (instead of 1.0). I'm now getting what appears to be getting a BPA report based on the correct model and version :-).

    I still don't have console integration, but I can live with that.

    So, what went wrong, and what is still wrong?

    Thanks, Les.


    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Monday, October 3, 2011 8:47 PM
    Moderator

Answers

  • It looks like there are a couple of solutions here.
     
    Once you have the BPA installed and you run it - you'll notice that the
    Microsoft Baseline Configuration Analyzer is at Version 2, and you'll see a
    drop down box containing Windows Server Solutions Best Practices Analyzer -
    select that and 'start scan'.
     
    If the WSSBPA is at Version 1.0 - you need an update. If you see an icon in
    the notification area for the update, install it and you are golden.
     
    If you are at Version 1.0 and you are *not* notified of an update, you'll
    have to take some action.
     
    1. Opt in to Microsoft Update
     
    On the SBS 2011 Server, Start | All Programs | Windows Update. Click on
    "receive updates for Windows and other products" to opt in to Microsoft
    Update.
     
    Scan for new updates, wait for the scan to complete. You don't need to
    install any found updates, you can close the update window.
     
    Start the BPA, and wait a few seconds and you should see the update icon in
    the notification area.
     
    2. At your own risk
     
    Looking at logfiles, it seems the update comes from here:
     
    If you're comfortable with it, download and install the update.
     
    I've tried both methods with success.
     
    Thanks very much to those that helped behind the scenes - the BPA is an
    extremely valuable tool and everyone appreciates the help in getting it
    installed and updated.
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "KetanT_ [MSFT]" wrote in message
    news:b599ca43-d007-411d-b9a1-a3ed25e33691@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > I agree to what you are saying. Those registry keys are for the console to
    > read. Basically the code that assigns values in the registry that is not
    > functioning or not doing as expected.
    >
    >
    >
    > I'll get back to you on this
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support
    >
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Friday, October 7, 2011 8:20 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi Severin,
     
    Indications are that the BPA update issue will be fixed so that it happens
    automatically. The BPA update is recently released, and the issue with
    updating wasn't discovered until after that. In the meantime, we have the
    workaround(s), that enable the BPA to be updated :-).
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "Severin Meyer" wrote in message
    news:0766cc91-ef5a-4345-a1c8-cc450d2d8f8d@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > I had the same issue.
    >
    > After opting in for Microsoft Update, an update was announced -> even if
    > WSUS is enabled, it seems to be the only way.
    >
    > Really a mess, what Microsoft uses for the update procedure. Why they
    > aren't using WSUS to deploy updates to BPA?
    >
    > Severin
    >
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Saturday, October 8, 2011 5:34 PM
    Moderator

All replies

  • No, that's a different issue - I checked that fairly early on, before getting into all the logfiles. In this case, the registry settings are fine after the installation.

    A manual update works - and there are no more updates so I can't determine if the auto update will work for some time ;-).

    But there's no console integration, and that might bother some more than it bothers me.

    The bottom line is:

    a) the BPA is now more useful that it was previously
    b) therefore everyone should now install/update it
    c) if you have issues like I have hear, by doing a manual update you can get it to work.

    Someone else will have to pipe in as to why there are issues in the first place. I can tell you that the solution doesn't seem to be "already discovered and blogged" though.

    Thanks anyway, Les :-)


    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:00 PM
    Moderator
  • I don't understand then?
     
    What do you mean by no console integration?  Did you choose that option
    upon first install?
     
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:07 PM
    Moderator
  • See the original post ;-).

    I've freshly downloaded and installed MBCA 2.0 and the WSS BPA, but when starting and running it, there are no updates offered, and the report is the old one - with all collections disabled except 2. I have selected console integration at installation time, and in my console.log I see 3 lines indicating the BPA Scan, Engine, and Update feature(s) are added (WSSGBPA.xml).


    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:09 PM
    Moderator
  • I did.  I'm still not understanding.  Right now for me it's not popping
    up a "you have updates" and I'm having to follow up on that.  Right now
    if you've not chosen console integration (which I don't) the popup isn't
    popping up and you have to kick it manually.
     
    "But there's no console integration, and that might bother some more
    than it bothers me."
     
    That's what I don't understand... you mean it's not auto updating?
     
    If so, yes following up on that because so far the reports are that only
    if you've chosen to integrate it into reports is it updating like they
    say it's supposed to.
     
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:13 PM
    Moderator
  • I think the forum isn't working for either one of us ;-). Here's a smaller chunk of the original post.

    I have selected console integration at installation time, and in my console.log I see 3 lines indicating the BPA Scan, Engine, and Update feature(s) are added (WSSGBPA.xml).


    Anyway, if you aren't getting the update, or a current model BPA scan, then you can use the manual update workaround (bpaupdate.exe) as it worked for me.


    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:16 PM
    Moderator
  • Bottom line it's not autoupdating.
     
    If so I'm seeing the same thing and will begin running it up the flagpole.
     
    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:19 PM
    Moderator
  • Sorry still tired from vegas and obvously reading comprehension is zero.

    I didn't think it did console integration, I thought it just did report integration?

    Me double check.

    Monday, October 3, 2011 10:23 PM
    Moderator
  • The results of the bpa are in the daily reports.

    It's not integrated "IN" the console.

    Monday, October 3, 2011 11:36 PM
    Moderator
  • I guess this throws me off.


    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:01 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi Les,

     

    Thanks for posting here.

     

    Have tried to patch the recent update for WSSG BPA?

     

    http://blogs.technet.com/b/sbs/archive/2011/09/29/windows-server-solutions-bpa-updated-september-2011.aspx

     

    Regards,

     

    Tiger Li

     

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    Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:20 AM
  • Hi Tiger Li,
     
    That is the entire issue - the BPA does *not* update. When you download and
    install a) MBCA it shows V2, and b) WSSBPA (it shows V1).
     
    According to the blog post, notification of an update will be present in a)
    the console, if integration is selected on install, and b) when the BPA is
    run. This is not the case, there is no notification of an update in either
    place, and no update is done.
     
    I have this issue on 6 SBS 2011 servers. On 1 server I ran BPAUpdate.exe and
    the WSSBPA now shows V1.1, and I believe it contains the updated rule set. I
    don't remember the exact steps I took prior to running BPAUpdate.exe, and I
    haven't yet been successful with this method on the remaining 5 servers that
    aren't updating.
     
    Possibly, the links provided on the SBS "blog" (two part download and
    install), point to an old WSSBPA v1?
     
    Can we not simply have a download link to get the systems to WSSBPA V1.1?
     
    The BPA was an extremely useful tool for SBS2003, but up until the recent
    rule updates it hasn't been of much use for SBS 08/11. Now, it's valuable
    and should be installed - but it's useless without the update working, or a
    way to make it work.
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "Tiger Li" wrote in message
    news:70824e00-b88f-4b03-870d-32e165161cdc@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Hi Les,
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks for posting here.
    >
    >
    >
    > Have tried to patch the recent update for WSSG BPA?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    >
    >
    > Tiger Li
    >
    >
    >
    > TechNet Subscriber Support in forum
    >
    > If you have any feedback on our support, please contact
    > tnmff@microsoft.com.
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    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:54 PM
    Moderator
  • Hi Les Connor,

    Do you mean that you have updated BPA but SBS console still shows Update available?

    What is the value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsServerSolutions\BPA\UpdateFound ?

    If that is 1 that you'd see that alert on Security page else you don't.


    Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support
    Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:37 PM
    Answerer
  • No, I mean that the BPA update available does *not* show in the console, nor
    does it show when you start the BPA, and the BPA is out-of-date.
     --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "KetanT_ [MSFT]" wrote in message
    news:d8b41634-188a-4662-8e4b-85e3cdb794d3@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Hi Les Connor,
    >
    > Do you mean that you have updated BPA but SBS console still shows Update
    > available?
    >
    > What is the value of
    > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsServerSolutions\BPA\UpdateFound
    > ?
    >
    > If that is 1 that you'd see that alert on Security page else you don't.
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support
     
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:56 PM
    Moderator
  • On a box with a non updated, not updating BPA - and *also* on the box where
    I was able to manually run bpaupdate.exe and have it update.
     
    ErrorsFound= 0
    Integration=1
    Remoting=1
    SQM=1
    Update=1
    UpdateFound=0
     
    That looks to me like it's not telling us anything, other than 'update is
    enabled' and 'there are no updates found'.
     
    Clearly, there *is* an update that exists, but it's 'not found'. If we know
    why it's 'not found', we probably have the solution ;-).
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "KetanT_ [MSFT]" wrote in message
    news:d8b41634-188a-4662-8e4b-85e3cdb794d3@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > Hi Les Connor,
    >
    > Do you mean that you have updated BPA but SBS console still shows Update
    > available?
    >
    > What is the value of
    > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsServerSolutions\BPA\UpdateFound
    > ?
    >
    > If that is 1 that you'd see that alert on Security page else you don't.
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support
     
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:17 PM
    Moderator
  • It will only show in the console when there is something to report. Since the automatic BPA run is scheduled overnight, you would expect to get something on the console the next day ONLY if errors were detected. Same if an updated is detected, only then the console will show a message.

     

    DamianL

    • Proposed as answer by DamianL Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:25 PM
    Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:28 PM
  • I agree to what you are saying. Those registry keys are for the console to read. Basically the code that assigns values in the registry that is not functioning or not doing as expected.

     

    I'll get back to you on this


    Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support

    Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:28 PM
    Answerer
  • It looks like there are a couple of solutions here.
     
    Once you have the BPA installed and you run it - you'll notice that the
    Microsoft Baseline Configuration Analyzer is at Version 2, and you'll see a
    drop down box containing Windows Server Solutions Best Practices Analyzer -
    select that and 'start scan'.
     
    If the WSSBPA is at Version 1.0 - you need an update. If you see an icon in
    the notification area for the update, install it and you are golden.
     
    If you are at Version 1.0 and you are *not* notified of an update, you'll
    have to take some action.
     
    1. Opt in to Microsoft Update
     
    On the SBS 2011 Server, Start | All Programs | Windows Update. Click on
    "receive updates for Windows and other products" to opt in to Microsoft
    Update.
     
    Scan for new updates, wait for the scan to complete. You don't need to
    install any found updates, you can close the update window.
     
    Start the BPA, and wait a few seconds and you should see the update icon in
    the notification area.
     
    2. At your own risk
     
    Looking at logfiles, it seems the update comes from here:
     
    If you're comfortable with it, download and install the update.
     
    I've tried both methods with success.
     
    Thanks very much to those that helped behind the scenes - the BPA is an
    extremely valuable tool and everyone appreciates the help in getting it
    installed and updated.
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "KetanT_ [MSFT]" wrote in message
    news:b599ca43-d007-411d-b9a1-a3ed25e33691@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > I agree to what you are saying. Those registry keys are for the console to
    > read. Basically the code that assigns values in the registry that is not
    > functioning or not doing as expected.
    >
    >
    >
    > I'll get back to you on this
    >
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > Ketan Thakkar | Microsoft Online Community Support
    >
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Friday, October 7, 2011 8:20 PM
    Moderator
  • You're not alone Les. My LAB SBS2011 is having the same issue. Just haven't had time to address it but my symptoms are the same.

    It's a pretty much by the book SBS2011 install, so I'm really curious why it doesn't update as described.

     


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    Friday, October 7, 2011 8:30 PM
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  • I had the same issue.

    After opting in for Microsoft Update, an update was announced -> even if WSUS is enabled, it seems to be the only way.

    Really a mess, what Microsoft uses for the update procedure. Why they aren't using WSUS to deploy updates to BPA?

    Severin

    Saturday, October 8, 2011 2:24 PM
  • Hi Severin,
     
    Indications are that the BPA update issue will be fixed so that it happens
    automatically. The BPA update is recently released, and the issue with
    updating wasn't discovered until after that. In the meantime, we have the
    workaround(s), that enable the BPA to be updated :-).
     
    --
    -----------------------------------------------
    Les Connor [Ex SBS MVP 2001-2011]
     
    "Severin Meyer" wrote in message
    news:0766cc91-ef5a-4345-a1c8-cc450d2d8f8d@communitybridge.codeplex.com...
    > I had the same issue.
    >
    > After opting in for Microsoft Update, an update was announced -> even if
    > WSUS is enabled, it seems to be the only way.
    >
    > Really a mess, what Microsoft uses for the update procedure. Why they
    > aren't using WSUS to deploy updates to BPA?
    >
    > Severin
    >
     

    Ex MVP-SBS (2001-2011)
    Saturday, October 8, 2011 5:34 PM
    Moderator
  • I, too, am having problems with BPA on SBS 2011.  I downloaded and installed KB981392 and still I see the WSSBPA at 1.0.  Not sure what to do next.
    Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:39 PM
  • Hello all,

    Sorry to use an old thread, but this problem is not solved according to me... I have two SBS 2011 and impossible to update. I don't see anything in the SBS Console either. I have tried everything that is posted here. 

    Thank you for your help,

    Stephane

    Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:08 PM
  • Found in

    Windows Server Solutions BPA Updated February 2012

    You can also download the update directly from this link:
    http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=2652984

    That worked fine for us!

    Cheers

    Wolf

    Monday, May 21, 2012 6:51 AM