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Can not organise favourites like I used to? RRS feed

  • Question

  • Hi

    So, I'm bust finally making the switch to Win 8.1 from XP Home across my household, all fine apart from the fact that I don't seem to be able to organise non html based favourites on IE's favourites bar.

    Example:

    I always have my Hotmail email address passcard from RoboForm as my first icon on my favourites bar but since moving to IE11 its been placed right at the end of all my favourites, after all the HTML favourites.  I move it but it goes back to the end following a restart of IE.

    I never had this problem before, Ive used RoboForm with IE6, 7 and 8 with no problems.

    Please help :-)

    Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:57 PM

Answers

  • Yes, I see exactly what you mean.

    I downloaded RoboForm and experimented with it.  I lack your experience to manage it, but I quickly found that it keeps its own database of Bookmarks.  Those Bookmarks are available from its own RoboForm Toolbar.  From them, we may option to make duplicate shortcuts to those Bookmarks on the IE Favorites Bar.  But those IE Favorites Bar shortcuts are of type ".LNK", which is a special kind of thing.  It is what we are familiar with on desktop shortcuts.  As we all know, they have only special purpose to redirect to other files.

    When I tried the steps above which were successful with the hello.txt file, an odd problem happened.  Exactly as you describe.  The "test" shortcut I made from the RoboForm ".LNK" caused a download/open dialog to popup.  Choosing "open" worked ok.  But that intermediate popup is unacceptable.

    Here are some photos of my details.  If you're still interested, may be together we can discover how to eliminate that intermediate popup.  You have more experience with RoboForm, but I will be happy to follow along from your instructions.

     

    [1]  How to make Favorites Bar shortcut from RoboForm Bookmark

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pF9wwhjhlxiEmPPcCrSawtV2KVsGSQkUXKQIKbJGxpkvQi0B_ioY8xFPuxFpUYvQrFahh5epWv5RrGAlJ7_DKhWp4_JTOOC1Gz_CNFUMLLuk/RoboForm-Add-to-FavBar.png

     

    [2]  Example of test (Favorites Bar item) Properties after constructed

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ph8Bgp4UsDthgUi5_ck1gpAkxAu1WTAHfdaHZ52d5nKQRr0RKqZ1LM91r33ZdLwlGXLXmVpFTBHRpppbtDHV5do7xKgrWEmWSXOoU8Do6xyQ/RoboForm-testProps.png

     

    [3]  Example what happens, popup dialog

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ptqoGVgVDqZ_JIVdRPvTVcWDklXsoNbkaJbFiWOizBl4dKWvU_aWOOa-ZqehoEvxy36jUOVfWaRdUGc3ICjvQyedyS5dmao_fUpm4P0r4vh0/RoboForm-testOpenLNK.png

    • Marked as answer by Matt_London Wednesday, June 18, 2014 5:23 PM
    Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:56 PM

All replies

  • Open Favorites Center [Alt+C] to the Favorites Bar folder then drag the links to the desired order.

    Might be easier if you pinned Favorites Center open by clicking on the left-pointing green arrow (at top left). Pinning Favorites Center open will put your Favorites on the left-hand side of the screen that you've been used to in WinXP.

    TIP: You can also access your Favorites in the familiar dropdown menu via Alt+A.

    Going forward, you will find Consumer-specific support for IE11 in this forum: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie11-iewindows8_1


    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows Client since 2002 Disclaimer: MS MVPs neither represent nor work for Microsoft

    Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:55 PM
  • Hi,

    drag and drop it to the Favorites bar (previously known as the links bar).

    Select View>Toolbars>Favorites bar if it is not already visible.

    or...

    create a new Favorites folder (under the 'Favorites' root), naming it AAA (so it always appears at the top of the folder directory).... drag and drop you frequently used links into the new folder.

    Outlook.com (and most websites) have 'remember me' options... which 'log you in' automatically.

    Internet Options>Content tab, Autocomplete button... configure the Address bar autocomplete options to search your History and Favorites folders... hyperlinks in your Favorites and History folders are then presented in the Address bar drop-down as you type.

    Start>Control Panel>Action Center>Internet .... to see which IE Addons (eg. Robo form) are incompatible with your new version of Windows/IE.

    Post consumer questions to http://answers.microsoft.com (Help>Online Support menu from IE).

    this forum is for System Administrators managing IE installation and configuration on domain networks.

    Regards.


    Rob^_^

    Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:58 PM
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    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows Client since 2002 Disclaimer: MS MVPs neither represent nor work for Microsoft

    Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:59 PM
  • Hi

    Appreciate the answers but this doesn't seem to help.  Please note that my issue is not the organisation of normal website favorites, its the organisation of other shortcuts such as RoboForm's direct login shortcuts for websites.

    As an example - in xp and IE8, I could orginise my favorites bar in the following order:

    1)Standard Link to a website

    2)RoboForm automatic login to Gmail

    3)Standard link to another website

    Under Win 8.1 this order is changed to

    1)Standard Link to a website

    2)Standard link to another website

    3)RoboForm automatic login to Gmail

    It's like IE favours standard websites before other shortcuts.

    Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:04 PM
  • Hi Mat,

    RoboForm detects the website you are visiting and if you have already stored your credentials in RoboForm it will AUTOMATICALLY log you in.... there is no need to have shortcuts specifically for RoboForm links.

    Many websites like gmail now offer to keep you logged in (check the "Remember Me" option on the login screen).

    If you have the Google Toolbar installed and enabled it will use the credentials stored in ITs database to log you in automatically to your google account(s).

    You may like to consider uninstalling RoboForm and the Google toolbar from your computer (or upgrading to the paid version)... MSIE browser have their own form filling utilities built-in to the browser. You don't need RoboForm or the Google Toolbar form filling addons.

    Post consumer questions about IE to http://answers.microsoft.com (Help>Online Support menu). Include with your questions the FULL address of any websites you are having issues with. (copy the address from your favorite links by selecting the Copy context menu).

    This forum is for questions from IT Pros who manage 100's of computers on domain networks and manage their IE installations using IEAK and GPO.

    If you NEED easy access to your RoboForm 'login' links drag and drop them from your Favorites folder to the 'Favorites Bar' (formerly called the 'Links' bar in IE6 on XP)

    To display the 'Favorites Bar' select the View>Toolbars>Favorites bar from the IE menu.

    Regards.


    Rob^_^

    Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:10 PM
  • Hello Matt.

    I see what you mean.  It's an interesting challenge.

     

    The favorites bar folder can be seen in File Explorer (formerly Windows Explorer) as:

    ThisPC ▸ Windows 8 (C:) ▸ Users ▸ JohnDoe ▸ Favorites ▸ Favorites Bar

    Through magic of the desktop.ini file in there, the folder name is localized to "Favorites Bar".  Its actual name is "Links".  Here's what you'll see in Command Prompt, or if you click the File Explorer address bar:

    C:\Users\JohnDoe\Favorites\Links

    As an experiment.  I dropped a plaintext file "hello.txt" into it, and adjusted its position on the IE Favorites Bar.  Upon restarting IE11, its position reverted to the end of the group, just as you explained.  That's frustrating, isn't it.  Shown in picture linked below.

    I found a way to permanently reposition it, though.  It worked for this simple txt file at least.  The trick is to reuse any bookmark in the Favorites Bar, as follows.  Begin by making a bookmark to anywhere as a temporary template, and put it into the Favorites Bar.  Rename it test.  Next, right-click it and select its Properties.  Within its Properties, find the URL field.  Edit that URL to point to the complete file path of your desired file.  You know, like C:\Users\JohnDoe\blahblah.  In your case, it would be the full path to that RoboForm link I guess.  Then click Apply.  When you click Apply, you'll see the file path you supplied will be transformed into URL format (backslashes change to forward slashes, and protocol prefix File://).

    In the picture linked below, you'll see that's what I did.  That "test" bookmark is pointing to the hello.txt file.  It keeps whatever position I assign it on the Favorites Bar.  Mission accomplished.   ...Oh, wait.  Not done yet.  Now that "hello.txt" file is redundant there at the end.  But that's ok.  I could now cut-n-paste it to somewhere else, so it doesn't appear there in the Favorites Bar.  Then adjust the "test" bookmark's URL field accordingly.  I should've done that in the first place.  dumb.  Next time I'll know.

     

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pZhLMUsQnyrZgMmzjzMEEIDcKraQjKzlt6jKeI3Db5g6NMRoawW2XaIcr_1ojOMxh-4t4jMXiSbr06ACXYzPf76tP3LJACJX0rdTCo_b409E/fav-bar-tinkering.png


    Monday, June 16, 2014 5:00 AM

  • Proposed as answer by Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MVP 32 minutes ago


     

    Say Robear.  Would it have been too much to ask, for you to actually try putting hello.txt into your Favorites Bar, to see that what Matt explained is true?

     

    Tsk, tsk.

    Monday, June 16, 2014 4:24 PM
  • Hi

    Thanks for your time.  The issue I have is that I separate access to most sites and therefore have multiple access requirements for most sites - I use one for personal stuff, one for work and one for junk mail so asking IE to remember one logon is not an option, neither can I ask it to keep me logged in.

    The lack of options in this latest version of IE seems like a step back or reliance on other companies work arounds :-s

    Monday, June 16, 2014 6:33 PM
  • Hi

    Thank you so much for taking the time to look into this for me, very much appreciated.

    Here is my progress

    I created a bookmark to Google.co.uk and positioned it in the favourites bar

    I renamed it as 'Test'

    I created a text file on my desktop (note |I have changed my default paths)

    D:\Desktop Control\Windows 8\Desktop\Hello.txt

    I edited the bookmark to point to D:\Desktop Control\Windows 8\Desktop\Hello.txt

    I clicked apply and it was changed to file:///D:/Desktop%20Control/Windows%208/Desktop/Hello.txt

    I restarted IE

    The link's icon had not moved however when I clicked on it I was presented with a blank page and nothing more, there were no error messages, it was just as if I had requested a blank page.

    I guess if I cant open a basic text file then something is wrong?

    Monday, June 16, 2014 6:35 PM
  • Ok, you're most of the way there.  Possibly those embedded spaces are a problem.

    I just tried the same trick explained earlier, this time with an animated gif, across partitions.  I got it to work ok.  I wish you could see it in motion.  It's funny.

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pTZPja9vu8yZD64RHzIxz3j5Ci0ZrXlj9qfBijzXKZllES3nqDdXlJcHtXvXsGVTj6qR8ZbbBFy08_XaUJD5nfG8-6Ep5Glv8nt2i7NJwv_w/FavBar--moo.png

     

    So, don't give up quite yet.

    I also checked backwards to see when this degradation happened.  I'm surprised to see that Win7+IE10 still worked as you (we) would want.  Arbitrary links in the Favorite Bar (not just url's) can positioned and they stick.




    By the way.  You can unmark an incorrectly marked Answer if you feel it does not benefit the community.  You're allowed to.

    Monday, June 16, 2014 8:07 PM
  • Hi

    Thanks again for looking at this for me.

    I managed to get it working with a text file and a number of other files however the RoboForm shortcut does not work.  I think IE tries to block it from running, I've found that if I drag a desktop shortcut version of the file into IE then it asks me if I want to open or save it - not run it. I guess IE has taken a step back when it comes to shortcut arrangement and RoboForm is not as compatible with IE11 or Win 8 as it would like to think.

    Kind regards

    Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:58 PM
  • Yes, I see exactly what you mean.

    I downloaded RoboForm and experimented with it.  I lack your experience to manage it, but I quickly found that it keeps its own database of Bookmarks.  Those Bookmarks are available from its own RoboForm Toolbar.  From them, we may option to make duplicate shortcuts to those Bookmarks on the IE Favorites Bar.  But those IE Favorites Bar shortcuts are of type ".LNK", which is a special kind of thing.  It is what we are familiar with on desktop shortcuts.  As we all know, they have only special purpose to redirect to other files.

    When I tried the steps above which were successful with the hello.txt file, an odd problem happened.  Exactly as you describe.  The "test" shortcut I made from the RoboForm ".LNK" caused a download/open dialog to popup.  Choosing "open" worked ok.  But that intermediate popup is unacceptable.

    Here are some photos of my details.  If you're still interested, may be together we can discover how to eliminate that intermediate popup.  You have more experience with RoboForm, but I will be happy to follow along from your instructions.

     

    [1]  How to make Favorites Bar shortcut from RoboForm Bookmark

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pF9wwhjhlxiEmPPcCrSawtV2KVsGSQkUXKQIKbJGxpkvQi0B_ioY8xFPuxFpUYvQrFahh5epWv5RrGAlJ7_DKhWp4_JTOOC1Gz_CNFUMLLuk/RoboForm-Add-to-FavBar.png

     

    [2]  Example of test (Favorites Bar item) Properties after constructed

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ph8Bgp4UsDthgUi5_ck1gpAkxAu1WTAHfdaHZ52d5nKQRr0RKqZ1LM91r33ZdLwlGXLXmVpFTBHRpppbtDHV5do7xKgrWEmWSXOoU8Do6xyQ/RoboForm-testProps.png

     

    [3]  Example what happens, popup dialog

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ptqoGVgVDqZ_JIVdRPvTVcWDklXsoNbkaJbFiWOizBl4dKWvU_aWOOa-ZqehoEvxy36jUOVfWaRdUGc3ICjvQyedyS5dmao_fUpm4P0r4vh0/RoboForm-testOpenLNK.png

    • Marked as answer by Matt_London Wednesday, June 18, 2014 5:23 PM
    Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:56 PM
  • Yes, I see exactly what you mean.

    I downloaded RoboForm and experimented with it.  I lack your experience to manage it, but I quickly found that it keeps its own database of Bookmarks.  Those Bookmarks are available from its own RoboForm Toolbar.  From them, we may option to make duplicate shortcuts to those Bookmarks on the IE Favorites Bar.  But those IE Favorites Bar shortcuts are of type ".LNK", which is a special kind of thing.  It is what we are familiar with on desktop shortcuts.  As we all know, they have only special purpose to redirect to other files.

    When I tried the steps above which were successful with the hello.txt file, an odd problem happened.  Exactly as you describe.  The "test" shortcut I made from the RoboForm ".LNK" caused a download/open dialog to popup.  Choosing "open" worked ok.  But that intermediate popup is unacceptable.

    Here are some photos of my details.  If you're still interested, may be together we can discover how to eliminate that intermediate popup.  You have more experience with RoboForm, but I will be happy to follow along from your instructions.

    [1]  How to make Favorites Bar shortcut from RoboForm Bookmark

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pF9wwhjhlxiEmPPcCrSawtV2KVsGSQkUXKQIKbJGxpkvQi0B_ioY8xFPuxFpUYvQrFahh5epWv5RrGAlJ7_DKhWp4_JTOOC1Gz_CNFUMLLuk/RoboForm-Add-to-FavBar.png

    [2]  Example of test (Favorites Bar item) Properties after constructed

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ph8Bgp4UsDthgUi5_ck1gpAkxAu1WTAHfdaHZ52d5nKQRr0RKqZ1LM91r33ZdLwlGXLXmVpFTBHRpppbtDHV5do7xKgrWEmWSXOoU8Do6xyQ/RoboForm-testProps.png

    [3]  Example what happens, popup dialog

    http://bknndq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2ptqoGVgVDqZ_JIVdRPvTVcWDklXsoNbkaJbFiWOizBl4dKWvU_aWOOa-ZqehoEvxy36jUOVfWaRdUGc3ICjvQyedyS5dmao_fUpm4P0r4vh0/RoboForm-testOpenLNK.png

    Thank you so much for your patience but I don't think it's worth while persuing this, I'm sure something will happen in the next version of IE or Windows that makes our work around redundant.  I have decided to move to Google Chrome as my default browser, I really wanted to keep my Win 8 installation simple but I don't see much other option.

    Again thank you for your help.

    Wednesday, June 18, 2014 5:22 PM
  • Why did you mark thumbdown's post as ANSWER if the behavior persists, Matt?

    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows Client since 2002 Disclaimer: MS MVPs neither represent nor work for Microsoft

    Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:28 PM
  • Possibly because it is the culmination of several lengthy posts which

     

    • demonstrate sincere interest in the OP's concern
    • diligently explore and investigate the issue
    • acknowledge the IE11 shortcoming
    • identify the technical reason of that shortcoming
    • provides actual technical steps to attempt a workaround
    • admitted it was likely impractical to succeed
    • expressed a genuine willingness to pursue it further, anyway

     

    Now I have a question for you, Robear.

    Why would you protest this?  And.   Did you learn anything from the hello.txt experiment?

    They're really the same question.

    Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:59 PM
  • Well I see it this way, I found thumbdown to be very helpful and have genuine interest, you don't find many people like that on support forums anymore.  thumbdown's actions proved that it was not a local PC issue that was causing the problem and I was therefore able to make a decision about whether IE in it's new state was the product that I wanted to use.  I only wish more people could be as helpful instead of trying to mark others down for assisting someone in need on a genuine support forum.

    Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:01 PM
  • 100% and thank you for your assistance
    Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:02 PM
  • I found...to be very helpful and have genuine interest, you don't find many people like that on support forums anymore.

    Then the next time around you might try the Consumer-specific forums (e.g., http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie11-iewindows8_1) versus this Information Technology Professional-specific forum.

    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows Client since 2002 Disclaimer: MS MVPs neither represent nor work for Microsoft

    • Proposed as answer by Just Karl Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:09 PM
    Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:32 PM
  • 100% and thank you for your assistance

     

    Likewise, thank you for bringing up the topic.  I learned some interesting things.

    Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:49 PM
  • Hello once more Matt.

    I see you submitted report to MS Connect, and they inform it is a registered confirmed IE11 bug.

    That is final closure to this case.  (for now).  Good work.

     

    https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/905840/local-file-links-and-non-url-based-links-are-placed-at-the-end-of-the-favourite-bar

    Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:26 PM