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Does changing tags count as a contributing edit for the user? RRS feed

  • Question

  • We noticed that there is a small number of users who seem to be increasing their achievements score by simply editing tags for the posts without changing anything else.

    1. Is changing tags count as a contributing edit?
    2. Are there any other thresholds for triggering the contributions or, as long as new version is saved, it's counted as an edit?
    3. Do moderators have the way to undo the edit and the "achievement"? Simply restoring previous version does not eliminate history or achievement?

    Reasons for the questions is that some users seems to have discovered that the achievement system can be gamed this way and the sooner we stop it the better.

    Cheers
    George


    George Doubinski, MVP http://crm.georged.id.au

    Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:45 PM

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  • While we sort this out, I've made it a practice to reach out to the person on Twitter when I run across the behavior.  You can usually find their Twitter account associated with their TechNet profile.  I generally ask them to ensure that their edits are adding value and to make them aware that their behavior could be perceived as not adding value.


    Regards, Donna

    Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:05 PM
  • I'll only comment that managing tags to improve discoverability is a legitimate activity. But I understand this is nothing like improving or adding to actual content. I've seen cases where articles are edited, but on the History tab there is nothing flagged. It's as if the person clicked Edit, then Save. However, maybe they did something in the HTML I cannot see. For example, I've done things in the HTML to fix the TOC many times, which will never show in the History. And there will always be people that game the system.


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:54 AM
    Moderator
  • I agree that it can be a problem for the recognition's system. To be honest I feel targeted, as I'am in the top contributor these last week in the activity's feed :/

    On my side I'am editing a lot of articles to set a language code (en-US), at the same time I found older article that was actualy untaged spam in example. While dooing that I crosslink article with technology portal. Like I tagged some exchange article, but they were not in the exchange portal wiki's article, so I linked them.

    The language tag allow searching for correct language article easily and it allow stat from like; http://blogs.technet.com/b/wikininjas/archive/2013/01/04/friday-with-international-community-update-progress-in-each-language-dec-2012.aspx to be valid.

    I can stop tagging if it cause a unwanted bug somewhere (Got some free time these days, not enougth to write something, but enougth to have time to help the wiki)


    MCP | MCTS 70-236: Exchange Server 2007, Configuring

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    Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:02 AM
  • I don't mind tag adjustments, and editing HTML is fine. What I'm questioning whether, perhaps, we should have a "reasonable" edit level for triggering the rewards. For example, tags only editing should not be rewarded. I don't think people who edit tags for "legitimate" purposes would complain too much about it. I've adjusted tags on multiple occasions and really don't care if those edits are recognised or not

    George Doubinski, MVP http://crm.georged.id.au

    Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:07 AM
  • As I mentioned before, I personally have nothing against tagging. But I think we should exclude tag editing from recognising as a contribution to achievements. People who edit tags for "legit" purposes won't mind too much but it'll exclude free loaders. Tags I think are abused mostly because tag editing is inline so it's really quick to edit/submit/earn points.

    George Doubinski, MVP http://crm.georged.id.au

    Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:09 AM
  • Tagging is OK. It's just not actually editing the article itself, as it's a kind of metadata, associated to an article. So I think tagging for gaming the Recognition System or getting an MCC badge is an action which should be reported.

    So, just to answer the questions (as far as I know):

    1. Yes, currently tagging counts as an edit.

    2. No, there are no other thresholds.

    3. Everyone can revert an article to an earlier version. However as I've seen it, it doesn't lower the count of contributions to a previous state for the users.

    @George: if you have concerns regarding a user's activity on TechNet or MSDN, please report the users as it's described here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/5041.how-to-ban-or-report-a-technet-or-msdn-user-account.aspx#To_Report_a_TechNet_Wiki_Account

    Thanks,

    Zoli

    Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:42 AM
  • I think we simply should take out tag editing from the list of "rewarded" activities. Tag editing is inline and easy to game. Establishing that user is gaming the system by tag editing is very time-consuming, unfortunately.


    George Doubinski, MVP http://crm.georged.id.au

    Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:02 AM
  • I agree with Zoltan that in the short term better report those users so they will simply got banned. The Wiki Advisory Board too might take action if it happen a lot.


    MCP | MCTS 70-236: Exchange Server 2007, Configuring

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    Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:50 PM
  • I see no problem with ignoring tag edits for points and achievements. Inline tag edits, however, are not the only way. I generally click Edit, add the tags, then add a comment so people know what I did. Should a non-inline tag edit count (assuming it can be detected)?


    Richard Mueller - MVP Directory Services

    Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:19 PM
    Moderator
  • Tagging should have different achievements, as it's not related to the content, but it helps other users to find that. So it would be recognized, but in a different way as editors.
    Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:38 AM
  • Tagging should have different achievements, as it's not related to the content, but it helps other users to find that. So it would be recognized, but in a different way as editors.

    Can you add this as a feature request?

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/4703.feature-requests-for-technet-and-msdn-profiles-and-social-platform-tools.aspx#Profiles

     

    Thanks!


    Ed Price (a.k.a User Ed), SQL Server Customer Program Manager (Blog, Small Basic, Wiki Ninjas, Wiki)

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    Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:45 PM
    Owner
  • I added feature request [almost] as suggested by Zoltán

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    George


    George Doubinski, MVP http://crm.georged.id.au

    Monday, April 8, 2013 6:15 AM
  • Thanks.
    Monday, April 8, 2013 9:12 AM