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The best (free?) method to manage Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 and VM's using GUI RRS feed

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  • Hello All, I am looking for a piece of software that i could use free of charge in test environment - so many Vm's on the same, only 1 host. 1 Host with 1 or 2 physical CPU's and 20+ VM's on it. I have found Virtual Machine Manager R2 but i suppose i would have to pay for the license to use it? I am looking for equivalent of VMware vSphere Client. is there anything like it for Hyper-V? Cheers, Jacek P.S. (I have MSDN license)
    Friday, March 4, 2011 2:28 PM

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  • the RSAT tools must match your client OS revision.  Therefore you need the SP1 flavor (or you install the non-SP1 bofore upgarding to SP1)

    For one Hyper-V server the Hyper-V Manger is the best GUI today and it is totally free.

    SCVMM gives you good control of VMs, but I find it lacking in control of the host itself.  In my test environment I do lots of things and configurations that SCVMM just does not allow nor do.

    Greater detail of the SP1 limitation is in the link you reference:

    This software is not supported on computers that are running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1). If your computer is running Windows 7 with SP1, and you try to install Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7, the following error message is displayed: "The update is not applicable to your computer." This limitation is by design, and is documented in the Windows 7 with SP1 Deployment Guide.

    To run Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 on a computer that is running Windows 7 with SP1, first install Remote Server Administration Tools, and then install Service Pack 1. The service pack updates the installed Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 files to be compatible with SP1. This workaround applies only to the SP1 upgrade; it will not work if you install Windows 7 with SP1 from a DVD. Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 with SP1 is scheduled for release in Spring 2011.

     


    Brian Ehlert (hopefully you have found this useful) http://ITProctology.blogspot.com
    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:55 PM
  • Hyper-V Manager is only delivered as a MMC within the larger Remote Server Administration Tools package.  (if you have a Server 2008 machine you simply enable the feature).

    This is just the GUI console - gives you that Vmware Client experience.

    Unfortunately at this time MSFT does not have a better answer as a standalone RSAT for SP1 has not been released.  It might happen any day, I don't know.  The standard MSFT answer would be 60 days after SP1 (since it is built on top of SP1) for any component that is released seperate from SP1 that requires SP1.

    The other option is the PowerShell cmdlets on CodePlex.

    On a side note - trust me, I understand your argument and I also know that MSFT does as well.  They know this is a problem and they are working on a solution, but it is not available today.  I don't defend MSFT at all, I am simply stating what I can.

     


    Brian Ehlert (hopefully you have found this useful) http://ITProctology.blogspot.com
    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Friday, March 4, 2011 6:08 PM
  • Still, the best and free way to manage a hyper-v server is by using the hyper-v manager. I suggest that you install a new windows 7 client, it doesn't even have to be physical, you can install a x86 version as a virtual machine using VirtualPC on your work computer if you want to. Or enable the hyper-v manager tools on a existing 2008R2 server to manage your hyper-v server.

    The windows 7 client with RSAT installed doesn't have to be Hyper-V capable itself, it can be either x86 or x64. If you have a spare computer lying around.

    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:11 PM
  • Here is what i found, and it explain all i need to configure Hyper-V Core and MMC:

    Install and Configure Hyper-V Tools for Remote Administration

     

    I ended up Running Win2k8 SP2 on ESX connected to main network and Hyper-V 2008 R2 Core on the box connected to the same network as VM. None of them are in Domain, all workgroup.

    MMC management seem pretty limited to comparison to vSphere Client :/

    Cant install SCVMM because these systems are not and CANT be in a domain, which is a pity.

    Do you know how to install SCVMM and make it work in Workgroup environment?

    Generally what i do with Hyper-V its R&D of this technology for the small implementation in company i work. So if the license for SCVMM will be worth its money probably we will get it. But the fact SCVMM require a domain to work is disqualifying.

    All comments and suggestion are welcome :)

     

    Thank you for all your answers so far !! :)

    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Monday, March 7, 2011 2:40 PM

All replies

  • Hi!

    Here are some you can use on a Hyper-V core server

    5nine free Hyper-V manager: http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-free.aspx

    Core Configurator: http://coreconfig.codeplex.com/

    The SCVMM exists as a 180-day trial download, but is intended to manage multiple (clustered) servers. The best way to manage a stand-alone hyper-v server is through another 2008R2 server or Win7 Client with RSAT tools: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=7d2f6ad7-656b-4313-a005-4e344e43997d

     

    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:08 PM
  • The equivalent of "VMware vSphere Client" is "Hyper-V Manager". It's a MMC window.
    If you want to use it on Windows 7, install RSAT (Remote Server Administration Tools for windows 7).

    If you want a best manager for Hyper-v use SCVMM, it's cheap :
    http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/en/us/virtual-machine-manager/vmm-pricing-licensing.aspx

    • Proposed as answer by Artemus Don Friday, March 4, 2011 3:13 PM
    • Unproposed as answer by BrianEhMVP Friday, March 4, 2011 6:02 PM
    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:12 PM
  • Hi!

    Here are some you can use on a Hyper-V core server

    5nine free Hyper-V manager: http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-free.aspx

    Core Configurator: http://coreconfig.codeplex.com/

    The SCVMM exists as a 180-day trial download, but is intended to manage multiple (clustered) servers. The best way to manage a stand-alone hyper-v server is through another 2008R2 server or Win7 Client with RSAT tools: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=7d2f6ad7-656b-4313-a005-4e344e43997d

     

    While installing RSAT amd64fre_GRMRSATX_MSU.msu  i got this message:

     

    The update is not applicable for your computer.

     

    I have W7 Ulti SP1 x64.

     

    @Artemus:

    Is it enough to buy a license for 26$? Just to manage 1 host and some VM's?

    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:22 PM
  • Also i try to install VMM Server package for Virtual Machine Manager 2008 R2 and i cant because... it require my system to be in a domain!!

    It is ridicolous!

    Ok, im completly lost now.

    I have under setup:

    -VMM Server

    -VMM Administrator Console

    -VMM Self Service Portal

    -Local Agent

    -Configure Operations Manager

    Out of all of this, what do i REALLY need to manage my host and VM's in the way i would manage stuff having ESXi?

     

    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:51 PM
  • the RSAT tools must match your client OS revision.  Therefore you need the SP1 flavor (or you install the non-SP1 bofore upgarding to SP1)

    For one Hyper-V server the Hyper-V Manger is the best GUI today and it is totally free.

    SCVMM gives you good control of VMs, but I find it lacking in control of the host itself.  In my test environment I do lots of things and configurations that SCVMM just does not allow nor do.

    Greater detail of the SP1 limitation is in the link you reference:

    This software is not supported on computers that are running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1). If your computer is running Windows 7 with SP1, and you try to install Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7, the following error message is displayed: "The update is not applicable to your computer." This limitation is by design, and is documented in the Windows 7 with SP1 Deployment Guide.

    To run Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 on a computer that is running Windows 7 with SP1, first install Remote Server Administration Tools, and then install Service Pack 1. The service pack updates the installed Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 files to be compatible with SP1. This workaround applies only to the SP1 upgrade; it will not work if you install Windows 7 with SP1 from a DVD. Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 with SP1 is scheduled for release in Spring 2011.

     


    Brian Ehlert (hopefully you have found this useful) http://ITProctology.blogspot.com
    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Friday, March 4, 2011 3:55 PM
  • the RSAT tools must match your client OS revision.  Therefore you need the SP1 flavor (or you install the non-SP1 bofore upgarding to SP1)

    For one Hyper-V server the Hyper-V Manger is the best GUI today and it is totally free.

    SCVMM gives you good control of VMs, but I find it lacking in control of the host itself.  In my test environment I do lots of things and configurations that SCVMM just does not allow nor do.

    Greater detail of the SP1 limitation is in the link you reference:

    This software is not supported on computers that are running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (SP1). If your computer is running Windows 7 with SP1, and you try to install Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7, the following error message is displayed: "The update is not applicable to your computer." This limitation is by design, and is documented in the Windows 7 with SP1 Deployment Guide .

    To run Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 on a computer that is running Windows 7 with SP1, first install Remote Server Administration Tools, and then install Service Pack 1. The service pack updates the installed Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 files to be compatible with SP1. This workaround applies only to the SP1 upgrade; it will not work if you install Windows 7 with SP1 from a DVD. Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 7 with SP1 is scheduled for release in Spring 2011.

     


    Brian Ehlert (hopefully you have found this useful) http://ITProctology.blogspot.com

    Can you provide me with the link to download of Hyper-V Manger.

    Also, do i really have to be in a doman to use it?!

    I already have SP1 installed on my system, as it is my main system at work i cant just reimage it.

    Friday, March 4, 2011 4:42 PM
  • Hyper-V Manager is only delivered as a MMC within the larger Remote Server Administration Tools package.  (if you have a Server 2008 machine you simply enable the feature).

    This is just the GUI console - gives you that Vmware Client experience.

    Unfortunately at this time MSFT does not have a better answer as a standalone RSAT for SP1 has not been released.  It might happen any day, I don't know.  The standard MSFT answer would be 60 days after SP1 (since it is built on top of SP1) for any component that is released seperate from SP1 that requires SP1.

    The other option is the PowerShell cmdlets on CodePlex.

    On a side note - trust me, I understand your argument and I also know that MSFT does as well.  They know this is a problem and they are working on a solution, but it is not available today.  I don't defend MSFT at all, I am simply stating what I can.

     


    Brian Ehlert (hopefully you have found this useful) http://ITProctology.blogspot.com
    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Friday, March 4, 2011 6:08 PM
  • I also like 5nine Free manager for Hyper-V. You can install it right on Free Hyper-V or Server Core, and get a local GUI and Management ( including remote servers):

    http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-free.aspx

    Take a look at the video for the product at VMware Videos:

    http://www.vmwarevideos.com/video-free-5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-tool-how-to-davidmdavis 

    'Full' version of the product ( only 99.00 ) has additional features , such as Guest connection View , and enhanced network bindings: http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v.aspx

     

     

     

     

     

    Sunday, March 6, 2011 4:48 PM
  • Still, the best and free way to manage a hyper-v server is by using the hyper-v manager. I suggest that you install a new windows 7 client, it doesn't even have to be physical, you can install a x86 version as a virtual machine using VirtualPC on your work computer if you want to. Or enable the hyper-v manager tools on a existing 2008R2 server to manage your hyper-v server.

    The windows 7 client with RSAT installed doesn't have to be Hyper-V capable itself, it can be either x86 or x64. If you have a spare computer lying around.

    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Sunday, March 6, 2011 8:11 PM
  • Here is what i found, and it explain all i need to configure Hyper-V Core and MMC:

    Install and Configure Hyper-V Tools for Remote Administration

     

    I ended up Running Win2k8 SP2 on ESX connected to main network and Hyper-V 2008 R2 Core on the box connected to the same network as VM. None of them are in Domain, all workgroup.

    MMC management seem pretty limited to comparison to vSphere Client :/

    Cant install SCVMM because these systems are not and CANT be in a domain, which is a pity.

    Do you know how to install SCVMM and make it work in Workgroup environment?

    Generally what i do with Hyper-V its R&D of this technology for the small implementation in company i work. So if the license for SCVMM will be worth its money probably we will get it. But the fact SCVMM require a domain to work is disqualifying.

    All comments and suggestion are welcome :)

     

    Thank you for all your answers so far !! :)

    • Marked as answer by Vincent Hu Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:18 AM
    Monday, March 7, 2011 2:40 PM
  • One of the sole purposes with SCVMM is managing clustered Hyper-V environments and building a Hyper-V cluster requires a domain.

    Monday, March 7, 2011 3:20 PM
  • On Domain - Exactly! I actually also recommend 5nine Manager for Hyper-V (http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-free.aspx ):

    -        The 59 manager does NOT require domain!;

    -        Extremely simple to install and use.

    -        Has more features that Hyper-V manager, especially important for GUI-less environment. You need to get full version ( $99.00 ) for Guest Connection View and Network bindings: http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v.aspx

    -        Can run locally on a free hyper-v server. No Addityional WIndows Client/License is needed.

    -        Can be used from a remote Win7 / Windows 28K2 that are not upgraded to SP1 to manager hosts with Hyper-V 2008 R2 SP1  -- it seems that some people have issues with this specific scenario...

    Tuesday, March 8, 2011 1:43 AM
  • PS. Iy supports Free Hyper-V and Server 2008 R2 Core SP1 too... You can imsply install the tool on these environments and run from the command prompt - you will see Management tabsw, and/or can switch to 'File Manager' - type of view, which is also very handy on GUI-less environment...
    Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:39 AM
  • All,

    MS Hyper-V Manager and VMM are excellent tools, while we encourage to try 5nine Manager for Hyper-V if you are dealing with 'GUI-less' versions of Hyper-V(free)/Server 2008 Core.

    You do not need additional client to manage GUI-less Hyper-V environments ( including Server 2008 R2, SP1, and Free Hyper-V ). You can install the tool *right on the host*, and will get local GUI - including Windows Explorer-type interface, and Hyper-V Manager capabilities. Free version provides all major Management functions.

    If you upgrade to 'Full' version ( which is only $99.00 ) - you can manage *as many Hyper-V hosts as needed* + you get Guest Connection View and advanced network binding functions. It works on SP1 , and have been successfully used by numerous Small Businesses and Hosters dealing with 'GUI-Less' Hyper-V, which is promoted as best bus. practice by Microsoft.  No hassles with RSAT configuration, additional hardware, etc.

    Couple of additional comments:

    - installing Hyper-V Manager on Win7 client has certain challenges ( at least for now ); There are numerous reports on the matter;

    - Provisioning of Hyper-V Manager or VMM on VM is challenging , since you do not really have convenient GUI :-);

    - Price - wise - depending upon what you need - you can either manage multiple Hyper-V hosts FREE, or if you want some additional functionality ( Gust connection view, enhance network bindings) - you can get it only for $99.00 , whcih allows you to deal with multiple hosts. What can be cheaper?

    We have actually developed the this *very simple to use* tool based on bunch of the feedback from the field - from SMB to Microsoft Hosting Partners.

    As some of the forum contributors did - we also encourage to take a look at the video :

    http://www.vmwarevideos.com/video-free-5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-tool-how-to-davidmdavis ,

    and try out the tool at http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v.aspx .

    Free version is at http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v-free.aspx ( it does not differ from 'Full' version on Server 2008 R2/ SP1 ).

    5nine Software is a Microsoft Virtualization Partner, and DDC Alliance Member, and our main goal is to promote Microsoft Virtualization Platform as cheaper and better than other alternatives. Withot hassles.

     

    Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:33 AM
  • Its not in the true sense of the word a managemtn tool but we have 5 hosts running a number of VM's and I use a desktop gadget to get a view of load on each of the VM's. You can also double click any of the VM's and the gadget will launch RDP to connect to the VM

    Its a freebie as well from mindre

    http://mindre.net/Article/hyperv_monitor_gadget_for_windows_sidebar

     


    Alan Richards www.edutechnow.com
    Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:42 AM
  • Another free (Management) tool that runs on everything from XP to Server 2008 R2, 32 and 64bit. Also runs locally on core installations.

    http://www.probus-it.se/hyper-vtools

    Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:10 PM
  • Disagree:

    Probus-it.se tool and 5nine Manager for Hyper-V yet hard to compare. I tried to install the tool - noticed bunch of problems, and had to perform several manipulations manually, before I got it running...

    It obviously lacks advanced Disk Management capabilities,  extensive network Management, and Guest Connection

    View (which is probably one of the main features that Tools that deal with GUI-less Hyper-V should have ). Bunch of features are missing - maybe those are on the roadmap, but not in the product yet... This tool cannot also be compared to MS Hyper-V Manager either...

    5nine Manager for Hyper-V has following features tat are definetely missing in Probus-it.se tool yet:

    -        *full* support for VM hardware management and monitoring, including support of the new functionality

    introduced in SP1 (dynamic memory management/monitoring and RemoteFX);

    -        Virtual network management which is many aspects more advanced than Hyper-V Manager (supports port-level

    management and connection binding management);

    -        Virtual disk manager that support conversion/inspection and compacting the virtual hard drives.

    -        Guest console connection views (remote control as he calls it) that don’t require the Microsoft

    Hyper-V tools (that Probus - it.sec tool claims to substitute ...).

    5nine Tool also provides additional features such as the hyper-v service management and log access as well as the

    file system views.

     

     

    Monday, March 14, 2011 8:20 PM
  • This gadget is indeed a neat tool - while it indeed cannot be considered as Hyper-V Management tool, which 5nine Manager for Hyper-V is. http://www.5nine.com/5nine-manager-for-hyper-v.aspx 

    Monday, March 14, 2011 8:53 PM
  •  PS. Looks like it is VB6 - based -  tool? I do not think you can consider http://www.probus-it.se/hyper-vtools a 'Commercial Grade Tool' yet.
    Monday, March 14, 2011 10:40 PM
  • New version available...

    http://www.probus-it.se



    • Edited by Hoken1 Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:21 AM
    Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:20 AM