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Microsoft Hyper-v Server 2016 + Starwind FREE, license problems?

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  • Hello,

    I need to know if I can use Hyper-v Server 2016 as standalone storage machine and in what conditions. Regarding licensing.

    1. Can I provide storage to Hyper-v Server2016 cluster, just by sharing SMB share from another server running Hyper-v Server 2016 ?

     or

    2. Can I provide storage to  Hyper-v Server2016 cluster, using Hyper-v Server 2016 and free version of Starwind Virtual SAN?

    Is any of this tow scenarios violating Microsoft Licensing ?

    I need to make a very cheap production storage for high density storage using 7.2k disks and free software.

    Thank you very much!

    Monday, March 6, 2017 1:30 PM

Answers

  • Yes, you can do it right now, although I would really recommend to wait for our new StarWind Virtual SAN Free release. With the new version allows HyperConverged deployments as well as supports iSCSI :) We expect it to be released in 2-3 weeks. 

    • Proposed as answer by Alex Bykovskyi Monday, March 6, 2017 4:13 PM
    • Marked as answer by Bogdan0300 Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:54 AM
    Monday, March 6, 2017 3:59 PM

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  • Hyper-V Server cannot operate as a storage server.  Not part of the system.

    This is a technical forum, not a legal forum.  For licensing questions you should talk with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist.  Your reseller can most likely assist you in this area.  If not, you can contact Microsoft directly.  Microsoft also has a plethora of literature covering licensing.  It is better to rely on Microsoft literature or trained resources for licensing (legal) assistance, rather than anonymous responses from a technical forum.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    Monday, March 6, 2017 1:55 PM
  • Yes, you can do it right now, although I would really recommend to wait for our new StarWind Virtual SAN Free release. With the new version allows HyperConverged deployments as well as supports iSCSI :) We expect it to be released in 2-3 weeks. 

    • Proposed as answer by Alex Bykovskyi Monday, March 6, 2017 4:13 PM
    • Marked as answer by Bogdan0300 Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:54 AM
    Monday, March 6, 2017 3:59 PM
  • Hello,

    Thank you for fast response and gooood news, HyperConverged in free? This is ....wow :)

    Have a nice day!

    Tuesday, March 7, 2017 6:54 AM
  • Hello,

    I need to know if I can use Hyper-v Server 2016 as standalone storage machine and in what conditions. Regarding licensing.

    1. Can I provide storage to Hyper-v Server2016 cluster, just by sharing SMB share from another server running Hyper-v Server 2016 ?

     or

    2. Can I provide storage to  Hyper-v Server2016 cluster, using Hyper-v Server 2016 and free version of Starwind Virtual SAN?

    Is any of this tow scenarios violating Microsoft Licensing ?

    I need to make a very cheap production storage for high density storage using 7.2k disks and free software.

    Thank you very much!

    1) Technically? Yes, you can. SMB3 stack is a cruisial part of the Hyper-V so MSFT decided not to do any "security thru the obscurity" and left it AS IS w/out any artificial roadblocks. Hyper-V works as a SMB3 file server, we did what you want, take a look here:

    "Free" SMB3 File Server

    https://www.starwindsoftware.com/blog/part-1-smb-3-0-file-server-on-free-microsoft-hyper-v-server-2012-r2

    Another question is: Can you do it legally? Well, if you TECHNICALLY can doesn't mean you LEGALLY should because Hyper-V can be used to run VMs only according to EULA. If you're intended to use it for anything else (file server? domain controller? Veeam backup appliance?) you have to either upgrade it to a full-blown Windows Server 2016 Standard or buy separate CALs (which is even more expensive).

    2) Yes, you can. We'd recommend to run StarWind on top of a hypervisor for hyperconverged scenario but you can use free Hyper-V and either StarWind directly or inside a Linux-running VM which is fine for lab purpose. See:

    StarWind Linux-based Virtual Storage Appliance (VSA)

    https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-virtual-san-ovf

    Good luck!


    Cheers,

    Anton Kolomyeytsev [MVP]

    StarWind Software Chief Architect

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    Note: Posts are provided “AS IS” without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to the implied warranties of merchantability and/or fitness for a particular purpose.

    • Proposed as answer by Taras Shved Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:11 PM
    Wednesday, March 8, 2017 3:08 PM
  • The original post asked the question - "I need to know if I can use Hyper-v Server 2016 as standalone storage machine and in what conditions. "

    That response marked as an answers says "Yes, you can do it right now,"

    My response was "Hyper-V Server cannot operate as a storage server. "  I then gave the caution about talking about licensing issues in a technical forum.  I guess I should have been specific that Hyper-V Server is not licensed as a file server.

    "Hyper-V works as a SMB3 file server, we did what you want, take a look here:"

    Yes, you point out in your article that "However, this process is a violation of license agreement, so StarWind urges the readers not to repeat it"

    Just to be clear, what is possible to be done from a technical standpoint is not always correct from a legal standpoint.  We should not be providing 'answers' that go contrary to known licensing limitations unless it is explicitly stated as such.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    Thursday, March 9, 2017 4:38 PM
  • [ ... ]

    Just to be clear, what is possible to be done from a technical standpoint is not always correct from a legal standpoint.  We should not be providing 'answers' that go contrary to known licensing limitations unless it is explicitly stated as such.

    [ ... ]

    1) This is exactly what stated in both my post and disclaimer in the article we published on our blog. 

    2) That's your personal opinion I respect, but we have to agree on disagree here really: the concept of "security thru the obscurity" you're standing on is flaky to say at least. You tell your kids not to insert fingers into power socket and tell what's going to happen (me) Vs You try to hide power sockets from them (you). 


    Cheers,

    Anton Kolomyeytsev [MVP]

    StarWind Software Chief Architect

    Profile:   Blog:   Twitter:   LinkedIn:  

    Note: Posts are provided “AS IS” without warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to the implied warranties of merchantability and/or fitness for a particular purpose.

    Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:21 AM
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