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Is Outlook / iCloud syncing hopelessly kludgy?
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In the past, we used to use the Outlook / iOS combination and syncing worked fine via USB connection. We and many others have found that USB syncing stops working for many users. Apple, which is getting rid of USB syncing on the Macintosh, says they don't support USB syncing with Outlook 2013, and iCloud is the sync method they recommend. The problem is that Outlook + iCloud syncing seems to be ridiculously kludgy.
The core problem is that iCloud can't sync the regular Outlook Contacts and Outlook Claendar. Instead, it creates separate iCloud Contacts and iCloud Calendar within Outlook and uses those. This is very kludgy for several reasons:
1. If a meeting request comes in via email, it goes into the Outlook calendar, not the iCloud calendar. This means that when you click on the meeting in the email you are only shown the context in the Outlook calendar, and you have no idea whether you have a committment at that time. If you accept the meeting, it goes into the Outlook calendar and you need to move it manually from the Outlook calendar into the iCloud calendar, which results in "Copy .." being put at the beginning of all such events. To move the meeting, you need to undo the Overlay setting to display iCloud Calendar and Outlook Calendar side by side, resulting in events being very narrow, particularly on a small screen on a Surface Pro.
2. When an email arrives moving a meeting, the old copy of the meeting event doesn't get removed since it is now in the iCloud calendar, not the Outlook calendar. This results in the calendar being loaded with ghost meetings unless you hunt down all original meetings manually. For many users, this results in wasted time slots.
3. If you don't use an iCloud email address, "Invite attendees" on an iCloud event fails silently since the invitation won't use any of the Outlook email accounts. For many users, this results in invitees not knowing about meetings.
4. If you use routine features of Outlook such as creating a new contact or using the Quick Access Toolbar icon to search for contacts, these only work with the Outlook contacts, not with the iCloud contacts. One needs to manually move contacts to the iCloud contacts.
Apple enthusiasts will suggest resolving this syncing issue by abandoning Outlook and moving to MacOs. Microsoft enthusiasts will suggest resolving this syncing issue by abandoning iOS and getting a Windows phone. But Outlook and iOS are each major products in their categories, and there must be many people who are afflicted with the kludgy syncing problem.
My questions are:
1. Are there workarounds one can use better than the manual ones described here or abandoning Outlook or iOS? Moving all email to iCloud would reduce some of the problems, but some organizations don't want to move their email to Apple's servers.
2. Satya Nadella has enunciated a committment to cross-platform compatibility. Is there any indication that it extends to getting Outlook and iCloud working together properly?
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There are issues with the icloud data file - the other options are wifi sync with itunes, a 3rd party utility such as companion link, or an exchange mailbox (with active sync enabled). Exchange will give you the best experience but 3rd party sync tools that work with the default mailbox are good too.
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center
Outlook Tips
Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook weekly newsletter- Marked as answer by Steve FanMicrosoft contingent staff, Moderator Monday, April 14, 2014 2:19 AM
- Unmarked as answer by Mickey Segal Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:11 PM
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There are issues with the icloud data file - the other options are wifi sync with itunes, a 3rd party utility such as companion link, or an exchange mailbox (with active sync enabled). Exchange will give you the best experience but 3rd party sync tools that work with the default mailbox are good too.
I spent about 5 hours on the phone about this spread over a week or two with an Apple support guy who seemed quite competent, but was dealing with a mess. He kept working to try to get USB to sync, and then after hours of trying various re-installations and clearing of files, told me that iCloud was my best option. He didn't suggest wifi sync. If wifi sync works the same as USB sync, just using a different channel, it seems like going through the trouble of undoing iCloud and setting up wifi sync will fail as USB sync failed, which would explain why he didn't suggest it. But I didn't think to ask at the time. Is there some reason to think that iTunes could sync via wifi but not USB?
If wifi sync is not going to work, I could look more at 3rd party tools, but the one I looked at kept duplicate Outlook and iCloud calendars, and there are reports it has the unfortunate side effect sending two meeting change requests to people when you tried to change meetings. I'd be glad to look at the offerings again, but the impression I got a few weeks ago was that the whole area was just a mess. But it seems surprising that things could be as bad as they look with two such widely used products. One doesn't see the news articles about this mess that one would expect if the situation were indeed that bad.
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>> Is there some reason to think that iTunes could sync via wifi but not USB?
No, but it depends on why usb failed.
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center
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There is another iCloud-Outlook problem. Using iCloud breaks touch scrolling in the body of an Outlook message, as detailed at http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2013_release-outlook/touch-scrolling-in-outlook-2013-email-messages/e7f18ea6-9a46-4b2b-aeac-91bc98380942
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There is yet another iCloud - Outlook sync problem: intermittently, clicking "Contacts -iCloud" on the Contacts section of Outlook results in the message "This set of folders cannot be opened". But I just click the Contacts - iCloud" button again and I see the contacts. What is annoying is that one must clear whatever this error condition is before a sync will work for Contacts. Others see such a problem in a more enduring way, as described at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5455895?start=0&tstart=0
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