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  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!

    Thursday, October 2, 2014 11:40 AM

Answers

  • I tired to install the latest version of Symantec Endpoint protection (12.1.5337.5000) and it fails to install.

    Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:40 PM
  • I am running McAfee All Access Total Protection so far no issues also running McAfee SafeKey


    Augusto de Sa

    Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:41 AM

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  • Hello,

    I don't think so. I have searched but found nothing! Maybe you will not be able to install it. There is no antivirus available for Windows 10 right now!


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    • Edited by Fahadking07 Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:27 PM
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:26 PM
  • I tired to install the latest version of Symantec Endpoint protection (12.1.5337.5000) and it fails to install.

    Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:40 PM
  • I got Symantec Endpoint (12.1.4013.4013) to install but it won't activate, probably need to wait for symantec to update
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:48 PM
  • Win10TP is protected by Windows Defender out of the box - so I don't think you are quite right to say there is NO AV available right now. 
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:15 PM
  • Hi, I just installed Avira Free Antivirus without problems.

    Version 14.0.7.306

    


    Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:24 PM
  • No luck with AVG 2013 business either.
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:28 PM
  • AVG 2015 internet security, no problems.
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:32 PM
  • Both AVG and Avira are highly rated by download.cnet.com.  Other free AV versions available there, search for "antivirus free".
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:53 PM
  • Haven't tried 3rd party software yet, but the latest Forefront Endpoint seems to be working.
    Thursday, October 2, 2014 4:12 PM
  • Teh App sote shows quite a bit of AV available. I woul think it would be for WIN10 right??

    Does anyone know if installing another AV over defender will cause any conficts? We all know to not run 2 AV's at the same time :)

    Friday, October 3, 2014 3:09 PM
  • Bitdefender Internet Security 2014 & 2015 failed to install 
    Friday, October 3, 2014 6:52 PM
  • On upgrade from Windows 7 Enterprise to Windows 10 Tech Preview Enterprise, the previously installed Symantec Anti Virus v.12.1.3001.165 crossed over fine, but a couple of functions are in a failed state: proactive Threat Monitoring and the Firewall... checking further...
    Friday, October 3, 2014 7:41 PM
  • Same as dj_bixx but with Mcafee. Upgraded fine, seems ok but I haven't dove deep.
    Friday, October 3, 2014 8:24 PM
  • Ok, I have tested some anti-viruses on Windows 10 Tech Preview, they work some how. Examples can be seen in above comments.

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    Friday, October 3, 2014 9:09 PM
  • I have been running Windows Defender on my 8/8.1 since it was installed. I also have a free copy of SuperAntiVirus installed as a backup. I keep the definitions up to date but only run it if I suspect something may have gotten past Windows Defender.
    Friday, October 3, 2014 10:34 PM
  • I installed AVG Antivirus Free 2015 with no trouble 
    Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:30 AM
  • Bitdefender Internet Security 2014 & 2015 failed to install 
    i installed Bitdefender antivirus free edition, and it work fine.
    • Edited by MakeMeLaugh Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:53 AM
    Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:53 AM
  • By seeing all the replies above we can conclude that:-

    Anti-virus those who supports Windows 8 and Windows 7 might work sometimes. Not all but some.

    Examples are: 

    • AVG Antivirus Free 2015
    • Bitdefender antivirus free edition
    • Mcafee
    • Avira

    Sometimes, from the above list, they might fail to install or may not work properly. However, you can check anyone of them. Atleast one from them should work somehow.

    But Windows Developers already announced that "Unexpected PC crashes could damage or even delete your files, so you should back up everything. Some printers and other hardware might not work, and some software might not install or work correctly, including antivirus or security programs. You might also have trouble connecting to home or corporate networks. "


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    • Proposed as answer by I-Am-LOL Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:17 AM
    Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:57 PM
  • malwarebytes works too
    Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:23 PM
  • Installed McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.8 Patch 4 on Windows Technical Preview for Enterprise.  The installation was flawless and the product updated normally.  McAfee seems to work just a well as with Windows 7 and 8.1.

    • Proposed as answer by Fahadking07 Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:19 AM
    Sunday, October 5, 2014 1:26 AM
  • Sophos Endpoint Security and Control, version 10.3 installed and ran fine here - I wasn't able to deploy it from our Enterprise Console as the Windows version wasn't recognised, however running a manual install from the deployment share went without a hitch and all components seem to be running without any issues.
    Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:08 PM
  • From the above replies it looks like majority of Anti-viruses works in Windows 10 Technical Preview. According the replies above, we can create a theory that

    "Majority of Anti-viruses should work in Windows 10 Technical Preview but they may lack in their features"


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    Tuesday, October 7, 2014 6:08 PM
  • Yes this is more preferred, I think.  It works for what we have to do you can disable it to install 3rd party applications...
    Tuesday, October 7, 2014 6:26 PM
  • Bit Defender 2014 free works just fine
    Tuesday, October 7, 2014 6:32 PM
  • As of now, the only "supported" AV product is the built-in Windows Defender.  With that said, I have successfully installed and updated McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.8i, Patch 4 on Windows 10 Technical Preview for Enterprise.  Works like a champ.
    Monday, October 13, 2014 8:54 PM
  • I am testing both versions of win 10 on 2 different systems and I have Vipre Internet Security by ThreatTrack installed on both.  The only problem I encountered was that I had to uninstall the av to install the tech preview, but the av program reinstalled with no problems or errors.  I used Norton for years, but I have found Vipre to be much more effective protection and has a small footprint so it doesn't load the system up like Norton or McAffee.
    • Proposed as answer by John T. Marks Monday, October 13, 2014 10:33 PM
    Monday, October 13, 2014 10:32 PM
  • Panda cloud is working fine :)

    Mcafee has never worked well with windows :p

    Not sure Norton ever has either ;)

    http://www.tenforums.com/antivirus-firewalls-system-security/1988-free-antivirus-will-you-prefer-use-win-10-a.html
    • Edited by ThrashZone Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:34 AM link
    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:32 AM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!


    ESET Endpoint Security working fine so far...
    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:59 PM
  • F-Secure FS Protection beta works fine.
    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:36 PM
  •  

     Vipre Business Edition v7.0.5711 seems to install and work without issue. Just waiting on the replication of the proper polices to ensure that it went without a hitch. Will post if issues arise.

    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:29 PM
  • Panda AV works with no issues
    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:08 PM
  • sir: i read that we are stuck with windows defender in win 10 and 8.1 until they figured out how we can install another antivirus program.
    Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:05 PM
  • I tired to install the latest version of Symantec Endpoint protection (12.1.5337.5000) and it fails to install.

    Hi,

    I am Chetan Savade from Symantec Technical Support Team.

    Apologize for the delay reply. Let me know if you need any assistance to install SEP 12.1 RU5 (12.1.5337.5000) version.


    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:48 AM
  • I got Symantec Endpoint (12.1.4013.4013) to install but it won't activate, probably need to wait for symantec to update

    Hi,

    I am Chetan Savade from Symantec Technical Support Team & Apologize for the deplay reply.

    SEP does not update it's license over the internet. If it's unmanaged client see this article:

    Licensing an unmanaged Windows client.

    http://www.symantec.com/docs/HOWTO55368

    Let me know if you need any assistance.

    Best Regards,

    Chetan

    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:54 AM
  • I am using Avira and it works great
    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:58 AM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!


    ESET Endpoint Security working fine so far...

    Scratch that...HIPS disabled - Communication failed with driver.

    Will update when I find more info

    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:12 PM
  • I upgraded with Bitdefender AV free and it was officially installed, but failed to start itself on each reboot. After doing a repair installation, it's fixed and working now.
    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:06 PM
  • I have tried Kaspersky Endpoint Security, and it did not work.  It says it is not compatible.

    Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:37 PM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!


    ESET Endpoint Security working fine so far...


    Scratch that...HIPS disabled - Communication failed with driver.

    Will update when I find more info


    Spoke to ESET support - HIPS is intentionally disabled in Win 10 until they have completed dev work - expected to be fully working by the launch of RC
    Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:57 AM
  • I am running McAfee All Access Total Protection so far no issues also running McAfee SafeKey


    Augusto de Sa

    Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:41 AM
  • Why do you think you need 3rd party antivirus software for a preview version of Windows?

    You do realize Windows 10 TP comes with Microsoft's anti-malware package included, right?

    Knowing how deeply antivirus software has to cut into a system to be effective, I'd say that you're just asking for trouble by trying to use anything but the included Microsoft anti-malware solution.

    Wait until the OS is released before expecting 3rd party antivirus software to be 100% compatible.

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:21 AM
    Thursday, October 16, 2014 4:19 PM
  • There are many report of Anti-Virus software won't work in Windows 10 Technical Preview and as it is Technical Preview such a behavior is expected. If you won't install any Anti-Virus, you have Windows Defender pre-installed which protects you against all type of malwares.

    Anti-Virus companies would release compatible version in future release but it is better to check with vendors about release date or compatibility workaround(if any).

    Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:50 PM
  • I deployed Sophos Enterprise during OS deployment using MDT. Sophos is scanning, updating and being manage correctly. I only tested on Enterprise preview. Hope this helps.

    -tip

    Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:37 PM
  • And how do you know it actually works?  Did you specifically attempt to load all different kinds of malware into the system to test it?

    I'm not saying it won't or can't work - frankly Windows 10 is really about as different from Windows 8.1 to be called Windows 8.2 - but there's no guarantee it will.  The antivirus maker simply hasn't had time to ensure their product works perfectly with Windows 10.  Frankly, if I were directing software development at such a company I'd necessarily limit my organization's expenditure on such a project.  It's a moving target!

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    Friday, October 17, 2014 1:16 AM
  • Yes. I have loaded a bunch of "evil" stuff and sophos did clean, move, or do nothing. Which is all normal. I confirmed cleanups, and moves both on the client and in the management console.

    -tip

    Friday, October 17, 2014 4:18 PM
  • Just use the built-in Defender software.  It's very good.  BTW, many of the so-called "comparisons" you'll see, if not all of them, are bought & paid for by moneyed special interests...I recall one such review I wasted my time reading which purported to show the "10 best AV programs" on earth...!  I was flabbergasted to see that out of the sum total of all the AV programs they tested not a single one of them was free--I'm not talking about the "10 best", I'm talking all the programs they tested to supposedly get to the "10 best"...;)

    I've been using MSE (now Defender as of Win8.x and later) for many years and had it installed on many machines--very low footprint, *no* false positives, and on those occasions when I or other users stumbled into something nasty, was very neat and precise in putting it away fast.

    Symantec was so ticked off at Microsoft for offering MSE for free that the company went to the EuC (in Belgium, I believe) to try and have Microsoft persecuted for anti-trust violations, and its "argument" was so ridiculous they were laughed out of court.  Symantec tried to say that Microsoft had no right to protect customers of its OSes from security threats--but that *Symantec did*...! IE, Symantec attempted to have itself appointed as legal security guardian of Windows--or something equivalent to that...and maintained that Microsoft keeping its own OS secure for its own OS customers was "unfair"...!  Like I said, Symantec was laughed out of court--literally.  But...the fact that Symantec went to such lengths to try and have MSE canned was proof enough to me that Symantec was upset because it thought MSE was plenty good--too good in that it equaled/outperformed Symantec's own AV products (much smaller footprint, far less invasive.)  I've never had a reason to change my mind.

    And my gosh, man--don't walk but *run* from McAfee's as fast as your little legs will carry you...;)  Ugh...!

    Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:46 PM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!

    There are a few 3rd Party securities that are or may be compatible w/ Windows 10 TP BUT, there is no need for any of them.  The OS has embedded, native security which is on by default. 

    Also, absolutely, do not recommend Norton or McAfee on windows 10 or any Operating System before it or after it, either.  I have spent a lot of time removing these things from customers' machines over the years.  Do not recommend them, @ all!!

    Cheers,
    Drew



    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Monday, October 20, 2014 2:05 PM
    Monday, October 20, 2014 1:15 PM
  • I am personally using defaults Microsoft defender is the best option for me.
    Monday, November 3, 2014 12:47 AM
  • This is an editorial.  Please, allow or, even, indulge me that.  This is not meant as debate or to start or fuel any arguing.

    I have worked for many years as an IT Pro, Consultant, Technician. Several years ago there were no security products from Microsoft.  During that time I used AVG a bit and Avast a lot.  I would give of recommend them to my clients & as time went on, mostly Avast. Certainly, over the years I gained more experience & experiences, learned more & became more knowledgeable. This led to & included acquiring very bad feelings towards Norton, McAfee & a few other (3rd Party) securities... just to interject here, there are a couple of good ones, they are all crappy.  To the point that I, as long as I can recall, carry around Removal Tools for these things; either I ask to remove them or customers ask me to remove them.

    At some point it was realised that 3 conditions often existed. 1) Users would not install or use ANY security, 2) they would let them expire or 3) they would not keep definitions up to date. Coupled w/ this was the notion that ALL Users & ALL computers should be adequately, well & properly, protected.  There were people who felt this was an absolutely, basic, must.  One of them was Bill Gates.  Way back when, Microsoft discovered a product called OneCare and felt it was good enough that they bought it or the company that made it.  Once OneCare arrived I quite using Avast & started recommending OneCare to my clients.  OneCare evolved into Microsoft Securities Essentials (MSE) which, is, in Windows 8.1 and 10, Windows Defender.

    That said, here is the point of my editorial.  There is a tendency to arbitrarily, carte blanche bash Microsoft & its products.  But, MSE/WD is good (so are the hackers but, that's another discussion).  It has a small footprint.  It doesn't get in the way of (good) stuff or conflict w/ (good) things.  It is fully automated, does not require annual renewal or reregistering Keys or Licenses.  It is ON, by default and IT IS FREE.  Looking for, often paying for and installing 3rd Party securities and the misery that often comes w/ or from many of them when your Operating System hands you embedded, built-in, GOOD security, natively is like looking a gift-horse in the mouth!  It is like refusing something that's been handed to you on a silver platter.  No effort, no cost, no worries, no renewal, no updating and no issues in how well it plays w/ others.  In all the long years I have used OneCare, MSE and WD I have never had a problem, nor an infection and never had a complaint or concern from any of my customers using the same, either.

    It is a good thing to have good security inherent to the OS.  No thought, no worry.  Just be happy & glad it is there... you don't have to lift a finger or pay a penny to know you are safe.  Just turn your computer on and surf smartly.

    And, lastly, by the way, Windows 10 Previews are betas.  Just play it safe and just use what is in the OS that we know works instead of experimenting w/ 3rd Parties that may or may not work.  Never mind any risk or headaches.  Once you have a Windows 10 GA in your hand, do/use whatever you fancy.

    If you made it to here, thanks for reading my editorial.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Monday, November 3, 2014 3:23 AM
  • The only issue you might see is if you uninstall Panda and can't get windows defender back On :/

    A refresh install with flash media is the only way I got it back on so there is a bug in the uninstall process ;)

    Cheers.

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:52 PM
  • 360 Total Security works very well. 
    Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:02 PM
  • This is an editorial.  Please, allow or, even, indulge me that.  This is not meant as debate or to start or fuel any arguing.

    I have worked for many years as an IT Pro, Consultant, Technician. Several years ago there were no security products from Microsoft.  During that time I used AVG a bit and Avast a lot.  I would give of recommend them to my clients & as time went on, mostly Avast. Certainly, over the years I gained more experience & experiences, learned more & became more knowledgeable. This led to & included acquiring very bad feelings towards Norton, McAfee & a few other (3rd Party) securities... just to interject here, there are a couple of good ones, they are all crappy.  To the point that I, as long as I can recall, carry around Removal Tools for these things; either I ask to remove them or customers ask me to remove them.

    At some point it was realised that 3 conditions often existed. 1) Users would not install or use ANY security, 2) they would let them expire or 3) they would not keep definitions up to date. Coupled w/ this was the notion that ALL Users & ALL computers should be adequately, well & properly, protected.  There were people who felt this was an absolutely, basic, must.  One of them was Bill Gates.  Way back when, Microsoft discovered a product called OneCare and felt it was good enough that they bought it or the company that made it.  Once OneCare arrived I quite using Avast & started recommending OneCare to my clients.  OneCare evolved into Microsoft Securities Essentials (MSE) which, is, in Windows 8.1 and 10, Windows Defender.

    That said, here is the point of my editorial.  There is a tendency to arbitrarily, carte blanche bash Microsoft & its products.  But, MSE/WD is good (so are the hackers but, that's another discussion).  It has a small footprint.  It doesn't get in the way of (good) stuff or conflict w/ (good) things.  It is fully automated, does not require annual renewal or reregistering Keys or Licenses.  It is ON, by default and IT IS FREE.  Looking for, often paying for and installing 3rd Party securities and the misery that often comes w/ or from many of them when your Operating System hands you embedded, built-in, GOOD security, natively is like looking a gift-horse in the mouth!  It is like refusing something that's been handed to you on a silver platter.  No effort, no cost, no worries, no renewal, no updating and no issues in how well it plays w/ others.  In all the long years I have used OneCare, MSE and WD I have never had a problem, nor an infection and never had a complaint or concern from any of my customers using the same, either.

    It is a good thing to have good security inherent to the OS.  No thought, no worry.  Just be happy & glad it is there... you don't have to lift a finger or pay a penny to know you are safe.  Just turn your computer on and surf smartly.

    And, lastly, by the way, Windows 10 Previews are betas.  Just play it safe and just use what is in the OS that we know works instead of experimenting w/ 3rd Parties that may or may not work.  Never mind any risk or headaches.  Once you have a Windows 10 GA in your hand, do/use whatever you fancy.

    If you made it to here, thanks for reading my editorial.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    See http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/

    for a good rebuttal.

    Jerry

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:28 PM
  • The only issue you might see is if you uninstall Panda and can't get windows defender back On :/

    A refresh install with flash media is the only way I got it back on so there is a bug in the uninstall process ;)

    Cheers.


    Very, very, often 3rd Party A-Vs don't uninstall themselves very well or very thoroughly.  Often they require being done w/ a specific Removal Tool.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    • Edited by Drew1903 Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:21 PM
    Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:21 PM
  • Well said, Drew. 

    A bit OT re: Win 10, but that's a moot point now - NO ONE should be using anything other than the included security solution on that, and I stand firmly by that statement.

    Regarding Win 8.1...  I have hung on to using Avast myself, though only as a safety net that hasn't actually been exercised in a very long time.  But Avast is moving ever more into the realm of what I call "stupidware" - dumbed-down for the masses, and barely able to be used by a knowledgeable person.  This has got me to thinking about whether I ought to just ditch it and drop back to the Microsoft-supplied solution.  I'm already disabling many of the "keep laypeople safe" type features of Avast, and now they've introduced running applications in a Virtual Box VM for ultimate safety - ugh.  I've turned that off now too, as I just don't need it (not to mention it's incompatible with other virtualization stuff I do).

    I did some benchmarking a while back (which reminds me, I need to repeat this with the recently released Avast 2015) and I found that Visual Studio ran some 10 to 25% faster with Avast 2014 than with the included Win Defender security solution.  Now, that's not THAT big a deal, but it's always welcome when a system build takes a few seconds less time.

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:45 AM
  • Thanks, Noel.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    • Edited by Drew1903 Friday, December 19, 2014 5:26 PM
    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:07 AM
  • malwarebytes works too

    Malwarebytes is not an A-V program.  It does work in Windows 10.  But, in the sense of the OP query, it is not an A-V.  It does not promote itself as such, either.  Just making the distinction... the OP is asking about thing such as Windows Defender, Microsoft Security Essentials, Avast, AVG, Panda, Eset, Norton, McAfee.

    Just clarifying; Anti-Virus vs Anti-Malware softwares.  Malwarebytes and Spybot Search & Destroy are 2 of the same sort of things but, neither are A-V programs.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:17 AM
    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:17 AM
  • sir: i read that we are stuck with windows defender in win 10 and 8.1 until they figured out how we can install another antivirus program.

    You read wrong.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:21 AM
    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:21 AM
  • Why do you think you need 3rd party antivirus software for a preview version of Windows?

    You do realize Windows 10 TP comes with Microsoft's anti-malware package included, right?

    Knowing how deeply antivirus software has to cut into a system to be effective, I'd say that you're just asking for trouble by trying to use anything but the included Microsoft anti-malware solution.

    Wait until the OS is released before expecting 3rd party antivirus software to be 100% compatible.

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options


    Here, here!!   (Or whatever that expression is, lol)

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:23 AM
  • There are many report of Anti-Virus software won't work in Windows 10 Technical Preview and as it is Technical Preview such a behavior is expected. If you won't install any Anti-Virus, you have Windows Defender pre-installed which protects you against all type of malwares.

    Anti-Virus companies would release compatible version in future release but it is better to check with vendors about release date or compatibility workaround(if any).


    What he said.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:24 AM
    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:23 AM
  • Just use the built-in Defender software.  It's very good.  BTW, many of the so-called "comparisons" you'll see, if not all of them, are bought & paid for by moneyed special interests...I recall one such review I wasted my time reading which purported to show the "10 best AV programs" on earth...!  I was flabbergasted to see that out of the sum total of all the AV programs they tested not a single one of them was free--I'm not talking about the "10 best", I'm talking all the programs they tested to supposedly get to the "10 best"...;)

    I've been using MSE (now Defender as of Win8.x and later) for many years and had it installed on many machines--very low footprint, *no* false positives, and on those occasions when I or other users stumbled into something nasty, was very neat and precise in putting it away fast.

    Symantec was so ticked off at Microsoft for offering MSE for free that the company went to the EuC (in Belgium, I believe) to try and have Microsoft persecuted for anti-trust violations, and its "argument" was so ridiculous they were laughed out of court.  Symantec tried to say that Microsoft had no right to protect customers of its OSes from security threats--but that *Symantec did*...! IE, Symantec attempted to have itself appointed as legal security guardian of Windows--or something equivalent to that...and maintained that Microsoft keeping its own OS secure for its own OS customers was "unfair"...!  Like I said, Symantec was laughed out of court--literally.  But...the fact that Symantec went to such lengths to try and have MSE canned was proof enough to me that Symantec was upset because it thought MSE was plenty good--too good in that it equaled/outperformed Symantec's own AV products (much smaller footprint, far less invasive.)  I've never had a reason to change my mind.

    And my gosh, man--don't walk but *run* from McAfee's as fast as your little legs will carry you...;)  Ugh...!

    I will support this ^ and back up what has been said here ^ 100%.  Years as an IT Pro, Consultant, Tech, have confirmed run, really, really, fast AND far away from both McAfee and Norton AND their firewalls, too.  For heaps of reasons MSE makes very good sense.  It was good enough & impressive enough to Microsoft that they bought the company that made it years ago.  Gates felt all End Users & computers should be protected so GAVE it to you for free... unobtrusive, small footprint, full auto, no annual renewal, no pesky, irritating pop-ups and it works well!!  Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:32 AM
    Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:32 AM

  • If you made it to here, thanks for reading my editorial.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    See http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/

    for a good rebuttal.

    Jerry

    No you did not throw down that silly/ taken out of context/ hear-say artical down as proof lol

    Get a grip buddy !

    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:01 PM

  • If you made it to here, thanks for reading my editorial.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    See http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/

    for a good rebuttal.

    Jerry

    No you did not throw down that silly/ taken out of context/ hear-say artical down as proof lol

    Get a grip buddy !

    The How To Geek is a much more respected professional than either you or I.  That doesn't mean he's always right but he is more often than not. If you are going to trash his opinion, provide a specific rebuttal rather than the generalizations you provided.

    Out of context - how?

    Hear say - those were specific quotes from a Microsoft rep

    He also provided specific independent tests of AV detection rates.

    Just because he doesn't agree with you doesn't make him silly.

    Jerry


    • Edited by jwitalka Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:06 PM
    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:59 PM
  • LOL, respected professional.

    I just love reading banter by people who know very little about how to actually keep their systems safe from malware.

    If you're doing the right things, you really don't even need an antivirus package.  It'll be an unused safety net.

    Here are a few simple things you can do to REALLY keep your system safe:

    1. Download and save the hosts file provided at the link below.  It will keep 99.44% of internet malware from ever getting close to your system, blocks almost all ads, and enhances your privacy.  Basically, it locally thwarts the name resolution of tens of thousands of known parasite web servers.  This is the single biggest thing you can do to enhance your security.

      http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
       
    2. Reconfigure Internet Explorer to not run ActiveX from the Internet Zone, and to restrict the scripting options.  IE has a great security model, but isn't configured to be particularly secure by default.  This reconfiguration prevents whatever ads you do still reach from actually executing software on your system.  Ads are where almost all the malware comes from.
       
    3. Practice responsible computing.  Take more than 2 seconds to consider what you're about to run, and assume it's malicious unless you've heard otherwise.  Don't run every handy toolbar or gee whiz downloader application offered online.  And CERTAINLY stay away from "cleaner" applications!

      

    Good luck.

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options



    • Edited by Noel Carboni Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:26 PM
    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:23 PM
  • Essentially, the How To Geek said the same thing.

    "Now, if you’re a geek like we are, MSE and Windows Defender are very usable. If you have good security practices and know what you’re doing, you can manage just fine with this lightweight option. But average Windows users don’t always follow proper security practices and should use a strong antivirus that does well in tests — as Microsoft themselves now recommend"

    In your list of examples, item 1 is playing "whack a mole" with malware, just like all the AV packages are. But some are better than others.

    Item 3 is by far the most important thing people can do, but no matter how often you tell some people, they just can't help themselves, especially clicking on links within emails or the "you have a virus" web popups.  Its what keeps me in business.

    Jerry

    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:52 PM
  • Defender is disabled automatically when another AV is installed
    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:26 PM
  • I also have. In addition, AVG's latest 'rescue disk' scanned, found and cleaned a virus successfully without botching the installation.

    Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:27 PM
  • It's a silly no proof article that should of been withdrawn long ago.

    The silliest part is people still pull the article out of their bum and post it places as proof lol :D

    Very sad of a Geek do your homework :/

    Friday, November 14, 2014 4:00 PM
  • No proof? He provided direct quotes from a Microsoft representative and an independent anti virus study.  What proof do you have that it is silly other than you personally don't agree with it?

    Very sad you don't do your own homework....

    Jerry

    Friday, November 14, 2014 4:37 PM
  • It's better to not confuse Malware with a Antivirus's protection,

    Even the top Antivirus suite need Dedicated malware engine help,

    As in MBAM Pro now Premium,

    Not even Norton..................... is any good against Malware so everyone needs a good dose of reality on who blocks what and at what cost,

    Independent is another word for secretly sponsored by the top 3 winners usually :p 

    Microsoft has Nothing to gain there is no profit in Free versions of an Antivirus program,

    Unless that Free version has a Paid for version available :)

    Saturday, November 15, 2014 8:35 PM
  • always have to laugh reading the forums.

    quote from internet security taskforce "there is no such thing as 100% safe while connected to the internet"

    another quote from the same person "IT is an selfmade name for an person who got scholing about basic programming"

    my real life experience says that people who call themself ITer is somebody who's trying to put themself on an pied-de-stalle and wandering in forums when they are bored because there is no customers in they're computer shop at that time.

    also windows defender failed me several times in win 7 and 8 and didnt blocked ,find,removed all the viruses trowed at my pc from an malicious website that trow massifly viruses and malware-viruses at same time .

    same goes for AVG,avast and norton.the one that didnt failed me yet is zone-alarm and the security package hitman pro.dont go look for an zonealarm install for win10 because they will only release one when the final public release of win 10 is available and thats what all AV should do.

    win 10 is in beta test and should not be used as an main os and used in an test envirement like virtualization

    ps:when did you got the latest virus  installed on youre pc? i cant recall when that was for me beside the massif attack tests. malware?.....today.

    Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:02 PM
  • I have installed McAfee on my machine and it worked fine. But since the last build online scanning does not work anymore.
    Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:26 PM
  • Same here, second time around. First time I installed in Windows 8 Compatibility Mode - BSOD.
    Monday, November 24, 2014 10:54 PM
  • Roger, 'dipo' & others,

    Maybe, just use the default security in these betas.  Maybe, wait til the GA for 3rd Party securities.

    There seem to be no issues when using the embedded security.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:46 AM
  • K7 antivirus work's very well, but get full security .
    Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 AM
  • K7 full security .
    Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:53 AM
  • K7 full security work's fine.

    Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:55 AM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!

    There are a few 3rd Party securities that are or may be compatible w/ Windows 10 TP BUT, there is no need for any of them.  The OS has embedded, native security which is on by default. 

    Also, absolutely, do not recommend Norton or McAfee on windows 10 or any Operating System before it or after it, either.  I have spent a lot of time removing these things from customers' machines over the years.  Do not recommend them, @ all!!

    Cheers,
    Drew



    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    Drew, ever notice that it's easier to clean an infection than to remove Symantec? (Oh, silly thing to say! the question is logically equivalent to Ever notice it's easier to remove malware than it is to remove malware?

    M A Reeds MD PhD

    Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:22 AM
  • Thanks, that's hilarious!!  I needed a good laugh today.  And so well said but, I got it.

    M A has given new meaning to malware..

    New definition for malware (no pun intended) - something one does not hold in high esteem ;) :)

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    • Edited by Drew1903 Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:35 AM
    Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:34 AM
  • Hi

    I am testing Windows 10 tech preview and enterprise tech preview.Has anyone installed symantec or mcaffee or any other third party antivirus solutions? Please let me know with version numbers, thanks!

    There are a few 3rd Party securities that are or may be compatible w/ Windows 10 TP BUT, there is no need for any of them.  The OS has embedded, native security which is on by default. 

    Also, absolutely, do not recommend Norton or McAfee on windows 10 or any Operating System before it or after it, either.  I have spent a lot of time removing these things from customers' machines over the years.  Do not recommend them, @ all!!

    Cheers,
    Drew



    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    Drew, ever notice that it's easier to clean an infection than to remove Symantec? (Oh, silly thing to say! the question is logically equivalent to Ever notice it's easier to remove malware than it is to remove malware?

    M A Reeds MD PhD

    I've never had any problems removing Symantec.  I've done it many times. The latest version of Norton is actually pretty good.  It scores well in detection ratings and has low overhead.  My ISP offers it for free and I installed it on my laptop.  Seems to be working well.

    Jerry

    Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:44 PM
  • Sir, your wrong very wrong.
    Monday, December 1, 2014 6:31 AM
  • Yes me too I'm also running malwarebytes anti-malware pro both run together no problems

    I know that BD works because I download out of usenet a lot and its caught a few viruses.

    Monday, December 1, 2014 6:36 AM
  • Yes me too I'm also running malwarebytes anti-malware pro both run together no problems

    I know that BD works because I download out of usenet a lot and its caught a few viruses.


    Do you, actually, mean WD?  (Rather than BD)

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Monday, December 1, 2014 7:34 AM
  • Sir, your wrong very wrong.

    While your response sounds respectful, it might help to quote a bit of the post you're disputing.  Otherwise your point is kind of lost.

    Using proper English is another good idea.  People pay more attention to properly written language.

    A third good idea is to justify your position with observations and facts.  Real life is not about instant messaging, and opinions without reason are altogether too common.

    So...  Whose post are you disputing?

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    Monday, December 1, 2014 4:58 PM
  • Hi,

    I am trying to install Symantec Endpoint (12.1.4013.4013), but the installation stops and makes me a rollback. My SEP is a maneged client.

    I'm trying W10 64bit.

    Can you help?

    Best Regards,


    Friday, December 19, 2014 9:54 AM
  • Hi,

    I am trying to install Symantec Endpoint (12.1.4013.4013), but the installation stops and makes me a rollback. My SEP is a maneged client.

    I'm trying W10 64bit.

    Can you help?

    Best Regards,


    Yes, I can, Javier...

    Forget about it.  It is unnecessary.  If you must run a 3rd Party A-V, please, wait until the GA.  3rd Parties are not obliged to have products that are compatible w/ or that support beta OSs.

    Solution:
    Use the security embedded in, native to the OS, called Windows Defender which is ON, by default and given to you free of charge.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Friday, December 19, 2014 10:29 AM
    Friday, December 19, 2014 10:29 AM
  • Use the security embedded in, native to the OS, called Windows Defender which is ON, by default and given to you free of charge.

    And, I might add, do some reading in this thread for other techniques and also learn and apply safe computing practices.  Most malware enters your computer because you invite it in via the things you do.

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    Friday, December 19, 2014 11:44 AM
  • i have installed avira antivirus pro version - 14.0.6.522

    it work very well on my laptop without any crisis

    Friday, December 19, 2014 3:37 PM
  • Some (3rd Parties) MAY work.  Some may not.  None are necessary.  Point is, until the GA, one takes their chances on what will fly on a beta OS or not.  We are simply suggesting to use the betas w/ their built-in security, @ least, for now.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Friday, December 19, 2014 5:22 PM
    Friday, December 19, 2014 5:22 PM
  • i have installed avira antivirus pro version - 14.0.6.522

    it work very well on my laptop without any crisis

    How do you know it works very well?  Did you subject it to testing to see if it detects known malware?

     

    -Noel


    Detailed how-to in my eBooks:  

    Configure The Windows 7 "To Work" Options
    Configure The Windows 8 "To Work" Options

    Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:14 AM
  • Mc Afee Anti Virus + won't install
    Friday, January 30, 2015 9:40 PM
  • I have had to remove one that you mentioned in 3 family laptops recently due to serious system load/degradation! All 3 were near experation-renewal time. Hmmmmm sometimes I wonder if these programs need to justify their existance on your system......., microsoft defender and smartscreen work quite well.
    • Proposed as answer by dugholz Friday, January 30, 2015 10:08 PM
    Friday, January 30, 2015 9:56 PM
  • Mc Afee Anti Virus + won't install
    To repeat. Sure some may appreciate your info...

    BUT, some 3rd Party stuff may not be ready for the forthcoming Platform & OS.  They have no obligation to be.  Win10 has embedded security ON, by default.  Safest, surest bet w/ these betas is to use that.  If one is driven to using something else w/ the GA, it is strongly recommended that they wait until then to take that route.  Until then some such 3rd Party stuff may work & some may not.

    Cheers,
    Drew



    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    • Edited by Drew1903 Friday, January 30, 2015 10:02 PM
    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Friday, January 30, 2015 10:46 PM
    Friday, January 30, 2015 10:02 PM
  • I have had to remove one that you mentioned in 3 family laptops recently due to serious system load/degradation! All 3 were near experation-renewal time. Hmmmmm sometimes I wonder if these programs need to justify their existance on your system......., microsoft defender and smartscreen work quite well.
    Since you have said this I will, allow myself to add a line that I had in my note to 'mimtravaia' but, removed. I will say this as an IT Pro. Have removed McAfee & Norton & others from countless customer machines.  Do not ever recommend them for the reasons you state & more.  Only mentioned to support & agree w/ your comment;  am not opening a door to debate over security programs.  That's not to say there are not products on the market about which IT Pros can be comfortable.  There a some that cost money that are respectable, there are others w/ cost where someone would do well to save their money.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com


    • Edited by Drew1903 Friday, January 30, 2015 10:45 PM
    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Friday, January 30, 2015 10:46 PM
    Friday, January 30, 2015 10:40 PM
  • I get a program compatability issue when I try to install Microsoft FEP 2010. Just to clarify, is this the version you have successfully installed?
    • Edited by Plarsen06 Monday, March 16, 2015 12:44 PM
    Monday, March 16, 2015 12:44 PM
  • Microsoft FEP 2010 is an Enterprise security product. It is not was not designed for Consumer use.

    Supported Operating System

                        Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition (32-Bit x86), Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Vista, Windows Vista Service Pack 1, Windows Vista Service Pack 2, Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows XP Service Pack 3

    Again, it is recommended to use the default OS security w/ the Win10 Beta Builds.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    • Proposed as answer by Drew1903 Saturday, May 23, 2015 5:23 AM
    Monday, March 16, 2015 9:11 PM
  • bitdefender 2015 antivirus every time updates needed to reboot any answers
    Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:55 AM
  • bitdefender 2015 antivirus every time updates needed to reboot any answers

    Hector,

    I have an answer for you... whether you will accept my advice...

    At least, w/ & during these beta Builds we are testing, please, just use Windows Defender instead of 3rd Party products.  You won't get thess problems you are experiencing w/ WD.  If you must use a 3rd Party product, please wait until the GA to replace WD.

    Cheers,
    Drew


    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Saturday, May 23, 2015 6:07 AM
  • NOT true!  Norton products do not work with Windows 10...and as mentioned in posts, quite a few others DO NOT work with Windows 10...

    Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:51 AM
  • malwarebytes works too


    Malwarebytes is not an A-V program.  It does work in Windows 10.  But, in the sense of the OP query, it is not an A-V.  It does not promote itself as such, either.  Just making the distinction... the OP is asking about thing such as Windows Defender, Microsoft Security Essentials, Avast, AVG, Panda, Eset, Norton, McAfee.

    Just clarifying; Anti-Virus vs Anti-Malware softwares.  Malwarebytes and Spybot Search & Destroy are 2 of the same sort of things but, neither are A-V programs.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    You are right, Malwarebytes is not an A-V. It is so much more. Viruses are just a small portion of the different types of malicious software/infections that exist today, and, I hate to break it to everybody, A-V solutions are ineffective.

    Point in case - There are new variations of an email virus that is going around hard right now, containing a zip file disguised as resumes or reports. Inside the zip is an executable file with the Adobe PDF icon attached, to trick those who hide file extensions into thinking it is a normal PDF file. Upon opening the supposed PDF, nothing happens that the user sees, but in the background, it attaches itself and sends to the entire contact list in your default email client. It installs a data miner deep in the Windows folder.

    AVG, MSE, Forefront, SCCM Endpoint, Avast, Sophos, McAfee, Norton, etc... do NOT detect and stop the threat from running, infecting the system. They do NOT detect the infection afterwards and remove it.

    Do you know what does? Malwarebytes.

    So no, Malwarebytes isn't an A-V solution. It is a Malware solution. Viruses are only a small portion of the Malware realm.

    Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:24 PM
  • always have to laugh reading the forums.

    quote from internet security taskforce "there is no such thing as 100% safe while connected to the internet"

    another quote from the same person "IT is an selfmade name for an person who got scholing about basic programming"

    my real life experience says that people who call themself ITer is somebody who's trying to put themself on an pied-de-stalle and wandering in forums when they are bored because there is no customers in they're computer shop at that time.

    also windows defender failed me several times in win 7 and 8 and didnt blocked ,find,removed all the viruses trowed at my pc from an malicious website that trow massifly viruses and malware-viruses at same time .

    same goes for AVG,avast and norton.the one that didnt failed me yet is zone-alarm and the security package hitman pro.dont go look for an zonealarm install for win10 because they will only release one when the final public release of win 10 is available and thats what all AV should do.

    win 10 is in beta test and should not be used as an main os and used in an test envirement like virtualization

    ps:when did you got the latest virus  installed on youre pc? i cant recall when that was for me beside the massif attack tests. malware?.....today.

    HAhaha, of course ZoneAlarm stopped it. ZoneAlarm stops everything. I mean EVERYTHING.

    I can't even believe ZoneAlarm is even still relevant.

    Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:31 PM
  • I am currently trying BitDefender Total and having what seems to be good luck with it

    Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:56 PM
  • Thank you for the support.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Sunday, July 12, 2015 12:30 AM
  • Please stay on topic, software & hardware not, people. Please avoid personal slurs, digs, attacks, judgemental editorials, regarding groups or individuals.

    Cheers,
    Drew

    Drew MS Partner / MS Beta Tester / Pres. Computer Issues Pres. Computer Issues www.drewsci.com

    Sunday, July 12, 2015 12:36 AM