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  • Question

  • Hi I am hoping that someone will have an idea of what is going on.

    When I try to open windows explorer I get an error message, and then if I click ok, explorer restarts and the whole process happens again.

    I have tried the following with no success-

    uninstalling and reinstalling Runtime

    uninstalling and reinstalling antivirus software

    running a system file checker and replacing corrupted system files

    running antivirus scans.

    The problem occurs in a clean boot, and in safe mode with networking, but not in safe mode.

    Any help would be amazing as I am out of ideas.

    Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:46 AM

Answers

  • it is not the same issue. Now a 2nd buggy extension shows up. Now Mozyshell crashes Explorer:

    APPLICATION_VERIFIER_MEMORY_THREAD_UNEXPECTED_EXCEPTION (60e)
    Unexpected exception raised in thread function.
    This stop is generated if a thread function is raising an exception. This
    is bad because the whole process will be killed.
    To debug this stop:
    $ parameter1 might be significant for the type of exception. E.g. an
    exception code C0000005 means Access Violation;
    $ .exr parameter2 - to display the exception information;
    $ .cxr parameter3 followed by kb - to display the exception context information; 
    Arguments:
    Arg1: 00000000e06d7363, Exception code. 
    Arg2: 00000000131cda90, Exception record. Use .exr to display it. 
    Arg3: 00000000131cd460, Context record. Use .cxr to display it. 
    Arg4: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for DropboxExt64.19.dll - 
    
    FAULTING_IP: 
    verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx+6fb
    000007fe`f175ae03 cc              int     3
    
    EXCEPTION_RECORD:  00000000131cda90 -- (.exr 0x131cda90)
    ExceptionAddress: 000007fefcce940d (KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x0000000000000039)
       ExceptionCode: e06d7363 (C++ EH exception)
      ExceptionFlags: 00000001
    NumberParameters: 4
       Parameter[0]: 0000000019930520
       Parameter[1]: 00000000131cdbd8
       Parameter[2]: 0000000016a40830
       Parameter[3]: 00000000164b0000
    unable to find C-Runtime symbols, even with unqualified search
    
    CONTEXT:  00000000131cd460 -- (.cxr 0x131cd460;r)
    rax=00000000648deaad rbx=00000000131cdbd8 rcx=00000000131cd460
    rdx=00000000000000d0 rsi=0000000016e8ccf0 rdi=0000000016a40830
    rip=000007fefcce940d rsp=00000000131cda70 rbp=0000000016e8cb90
     r8=0000000000000000  r9=0000000000000000 r10=00000000164b0000
    r11=00000000131cdab0 r12=00000000131ce1e8 r13=0000000016e79710
    r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
    iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
    cs=0033  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00000202
    KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x39:
    000007fe`fcce940d 4881c4c8000000  add     rsp,0C8h
    Last set context:
    rax=00000000648deaad rbx=00000000131cdbd8 rcx=00000000131cd460
    rdx=00000000000000d0 rsi=0000000016e8ccf0 rdi=0000000016a40830
    rip=000007fefcce940d rsp=00000000131cda70 rbp=0000000016e8cb90
     r8=0000000000000000  r9=0000000000000000 r10=00000000164b0000
    r11=00000000131cdab0 r12=00000000131ce1e8 r13=0000000016e79710
    r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
    iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
    cs=0033  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00000202
    KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x39:
    000007fe`fcce940d 4881c4c8000000  add     rsp,0C8h
    Resetting default scope
    
    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    PROCESS_NAME:  explorer.exe
    
    OVERLAPPED_MODULE: Address regions for 'RarExt' and 'DeviceCenter.dll' overlap
    
    ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0x80000003 - {AUSNAHME}  Haltepunkt  Im Quellprogramm wurde ein Haltepunkt erreicht.
    
    EXCEPTION_CODE: (HRESULT) 0x80000003 (2147483651) - Mindestens ein Argument ist ung ltig.
    
    EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1:  0000000000000000
    
    NTGLOBALFLAG:  2000100
    
    APPLICATION_VERIFIER_FLAGS:  48004
    
    APP:  explorer.exe
    
    ANALYSIS_VERSION: 6.3.9600.16384 (debuggers(dbg).130821-1623) amd64fre
    
    LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER:  from 000007fef1774b3a to 000007fef175ae03
    
    FAULTING_THREAD:  0000000000001c30
    
    PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    BUGCHECK_STR:  APPLICATION_FAULT_STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    STACK_TEXT:  
    00 ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject
    01 ntdll!RtlReportExceptionEx
    02 ntdll!RtlReportException
    03 verifier!AVrfpVectoredExceptionHandler
    04 ntdll!RtlpCallVectoredHandlers
    05 ntdll!RtlDispatchException
    06 ntdll!KiUserExceptionDispatch
    07 verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx
    08 verifier!AVrfpThreadFunctionExceptionFilter
    09 verifier!_chkstk
    0a ntdll!_C_specific_handler
    0b ntdll!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException
    0c ntdll!RtlDispatchException
    0d ntdll!RtlRaiseException
    0e KERNELBASE!RaiseException
    0f msvcr90!CxxThrowException
    10 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    11 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    12 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    13 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    14 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    15 ole32!ICoCreateInstanceEx
    16 ole32!CoCreateInstance
    17 shell32!_SHCoCreateInstance
    18 shell32!CRegFolder::_CreateCachedRegFolder
    19 shell32!CRegFolder::_BindToItem
    1a shell32!CRegFolder::BindToObject
    1b shell32!CShellItem::_BindToHandlerLegacy
    1c shell32!CShellItem::BindToHandler
    1d shell32!CShellItem::_GetPropertyStoreWorker
    1e shell32!CShellItem::GetPropertyStoreForKeys
    1f shell32!CShellItem::GetBool
    20 shell32!CSendToMenu::_AddSendToItem
    21 shell32!CSendToMenu::FoundItem
    22 shell32!CSendToMenu::EnterFolder
    23 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolderItem
    24 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolder
    25 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolderItem
    26 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkIDList
    27 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkShellItem
    28 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::Walk
    29 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::s_AsyncWalkThreadProc
    2a shlwapi!WrapperThreadProc
    2b verifier!AVrfpStandardThreadFunction
    2c kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk
    2d ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart
    
    
    IMAGE_NAME:  mozyshell.dll
    
    FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT_80000003_mozyshell.dll!DllUnregisterServer
    
    BUCKET_ID:  X64_APPLICATION_FAULT_STATUS_BREAKPOINT_mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer+bab23
    
    
    
        Loaded symbol image file: mozyshell.dll
        Image path: C:\Program Files\MozyHome\mozyshell.dll
        Image name: mozyshell.dll
        Browse all global symbols  functions  data
        Timestamp:        Wed Jul 17 01:28:05 2013 (51E5D705)
        CheckSum:         006367A4
        ImageSize:        0065F000
        File version:     2.22.0.313
        Product version:  2.22.0.0
        File flags:       0 (Mask 3F)
        File OS:          40004 NT Win32
        File type:        2.0 Dll
        File date:        01CE9228.FF51978C
        Translations:     0007.04b0
        CompanyName:      Mozy, Inc.
        ProductName:      MozyHome
        InternalName:     x64_shell.dll
        ProductVersion:   2,22,0,0
        FileVersion:      2,22,0,313
        FileDescription:  MozyHome Shell-Erweiterungen
        LegalCopyright:   Copyright © 2005-2013 - Mozy, Inc.
    

    Disable the shell integration and look if you still get crashes.


    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    • Marked as answer by JMillar123 Saturday, October 5, 2013 2:59 AM
    Friday, October 4, 2013 3:09 PM

All replies

  • Hi,

    Windows Explorer crashes are mostly caused by an incompatible Shell Extension.

    please download this reg file from my SkyDrive:


    http://cid-128fc518635be2dc.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/MS%20Foren/Registry/WER%5E_Explorer_full.reg

    and make a double click on the file to import it. If you can't do this, run regedit.exe and import the registry file there!

    When the Windows Explorer crashes, Windows Error Reporting Service [1] creates a dmp file under C:\Localdumps. Please upload the dump file (compressed 7z or RAR to reduce the size) to your public Skydrive [2] folder and post the link here. I take a look at the dump with the Debugger, maybe I can see which Shell extension is the cause.

    After you generated the dumps, download and import this regfile:

    http://cid-128fc518635be2dc.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/MS%20Foren/Registry/WER%5E_Explorer_full_uninstall.reg

    to stop the dump creation.

    André

    [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb787181%28VS.85%29.aspx
    [2] http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproui/thread/4fc10639-02db-4665-993a-08d865088d65

    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:56 PM
  • Thanks, but no dmp file was created.

    I have a link to an error file that I will post after they verify my account

    Thursday, October 3, 2013 12:12 PM
  • disable your AV suite before importing the .reg file. Also make sure the Windows Error reporting service is running.

    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    Thursday, October 3, 2013 6:13 PM
  • Success!

    I just had to open up regedit and import the file directly.

    This is the link to the dmp file- http://sdrv.ms/18zrpg3

    Thank you for your help

    Friday, October 4, 2013 12:00 AM
  • the ShellStreams64.dll from Apple causes the crash:

    APPLICATION_VERIFIER_HANDLES_NULL_HANDLE (303)
    NULL handle passed as parameter. A valid handle must be used.
    This stop is generated if the function on the top of the stack passed a
    NULL handle to system routines. 
    Arguments:
    Arg1: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    Arg2: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    Arg3: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    Arg4: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    
    FAULTING_IP: 
    verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx+6fb
    000007fe`fac3ae03 cc              int     3
    
    EXCEPTION_RECORD:  ffffffffffffffff -- (.exr 0xffffffffffffffff)
    ExceptionAddress: 000007fefac3ae03 (verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx+0x00000000000006fb)
       ExceptionCode: 80000003 (Break instruction exception)
      ExceptionFlags: 00000000
    NumberParameters: 1
       Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000
    
    CONTEXT:  0000000000000000 -- (.cxr 0x0;r)
    rax=0000000013090000 rbx=0000000000000ef4 rcx=0000000013090000
    rdx=0000000000000000 rsi=0000000000000000 rdi=0000000000000000
    rip=0000000076d212fa rsp=000000000ed5c628 rbp=ffffffffffffffff
     r8=0000000000000000  r9=0000000000000040 r10=0000000000000000
    r11=0000000000000286 r12=000007fffffd4000 r13=0000000013000000
    r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
    iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
    cs=0033  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00000202
    ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject+0xa:
    00000000`76d212fa c3              ret
    
    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    PROCESS_NAME:  explorer.exe
    
    ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0x80000003 - {AUSNAHME}  Haltepunkt  Im Quellprogramm wurde ein Haltepunkt erreicht.
    
    EXCEPTION_CODE: (HRESULT) 0x80000003 (2147483651) - Mindestens ein Argument ist ung ltig.
    
    EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1:  0000000000000000
    
    APP:  explorer.exe
    
    ANALYSIS_VERSION: 6.3.9600.16384 (debuggers(dbg).130821-1623) amd64fre
    
    BUGCHECK_STR:  APPLICATION_FAULT_STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    STACK_TEXT:  
    00 ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject
    01 ntdll!RtlReportExceptionEx
    02 ntdll!RtlReportException
    03 verifier!AVrfpVectoredExceptionHandler
    04 ntdll!RtlpCallVectoredHandlers
    05 ntdll!RtlDispatchException
    06 ntdll!KiUserExceptionDispatch
    07 verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx
    08 verifier!AVrfpHandleSanityChecks
    09 verifier!AVrfpNtSetEvent
    0a KERNELBASE!SetEvent
    0b ShellStreams64!DllCanUnloadNow
    0c ShellStreams64
    0d ShellStreams64
    0e shell32!CRegFolder::_BindToItem
    0f shell32!CRegFolder::BindToObject
    10 shell32!CShellItem::_BindToHandlerLegacy
    11 shell32!CShellItem::BindToHandler
    12 shell32!GetIdentityItem
    13 shell32!GetPathFromIDListWithFallbackEx
    14 shell32!CShellLink::_InitExtractIcon
    15 shell32!CShellLink::GetIconLocation
    16 shell32!CIconAndThumbnailOplockWrapper::GetIconLocation
    17 shell32!_GetILIndexGivenPXIcon
    18 shell32!_GetILIndexFromItem
    19 shell32!CFSFolder::GetIconOf
    1a shell32!SHGetIconIndexFromPIDL
    1b shell32!SHIconIndexFromPIDL
    1c shell32!CRegFolder::GetIconOf
    1d shell32!SHGetIconIndexFromPIDL
    1e shell32!SHIconIndexFromPIDL
    1f EXPLORERFRAME!CNscIconTask::_Extract
    20 EXPLORERFRAME!CNscOverlayTask::InternalResumeRT
    21 EXPLORERFRAME!CRunnableTask::Run
    22 shell32!CShellTask::TT_Run
    23 shell32!CShellTaskThread::ThreadProc
    24 shell32!CShellTaskThread::s_ThreadProc
    25 shlwapi!ExecuteWorkItemThreadProc
    26 ntdll!RtlpTpWorkCallback
    27 ntdll!TppWorkerThread
    28 kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk
    
    
    
    
        Loaded symbol image file: ShellStreams64.dll
        Image path: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Internet Services\ShellStreams64.dll
        Image name: ShellStreams64.dll
        Browse all global symbols  functions  data
        Timestamp:        Wed Mar 20 19:51:00 2013


    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    Friday, October 4, 2013 5:54 AM
  • Thankyou Andre,

    I uninstalled all programs associated with apple, but the same error is occurring.

    I have created another dump file-

    http://sdrv.ms/GC3weI

    Friday, October 4, 2013 8:21 AM
  • it is not the same issue. Now a 2nd buggy extension shows up. Now Mozyshell crashes Explorer:

    APPLICATION_VERIFIER_MEMORY_THREAD_UNEXPECTED_EXCEPTION (60e)
    Unexpected exception raised in thread function.
    This stop is generated if a thread function is raising an exception. This
    is bad because the whole process will be killed.
    To debug this stop:
    $ parameter1 might be significant for the type of exception. E.g. an
    exception code C0000005 means Access Violation;
    $ .exr parameter2 - to display the exception information;
    $ .cxr parameter3 followed by kb - to display the exception context information; 
    Arguments:
    Arg1: 00000000e06d7363, Exception code. 
    Arg2: 00000000131cda90, Exception record. Use .exr to display it. 
    Arg3: 00000000131cd460, Context record. Use .cxr to display it. 
    Arg4: 0000000000000000, Not used. 
    *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for DropboxExt64.19.dll - 
    
    FAULTING_IP: 
    verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx+6fb
    000007fe`f175ae03 cc              int     3
    
    EXCEPTION_RECORD:  00000000131cda90 -- (.exr 0x131cda90)
    ExceptionAddress: 000007fefcce940d (KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x0000000000000039)
       ExceptionCode: e06d7363 (C++ EH exception)
      ExceptionFlags: 00000001
    NumberParameters: 4
       Parameter[0]: 0000000019930520
       Parameter[1]: 00000000131cdbd8
       Parameter[2]: 0000000016a40830
       Parameter[3]: 00000000164b0000
    unable to find C-Runtime symbols, even with unqualified search
    
    CONTEXT:  00000000131cd460 -- (.cxr 0x131cd460;r)
    rax=00000000648deaad rbx=00000000131cdbd8 rcx=00000000131cd460
    rdx=00000000000000d0 rsi=0000000016e8ccf0 rdi=0000000016a40830
    rip=000007fefcce940d rsp=00000000131cda70 rbp=0000000016e8cb90
     r8=0000000000000000  r9=0000000000000000 r10=00000000164b0000
    r11=00000000131cdab0 r12=00000000131ce1e8 r13=0000000016e79710
    r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
    iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
    cs=0033  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00000202
    KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x39:
    000007fe`fcce940d 4881c4c8000000  add     rsp,0C8h
    Last set context:
    rax=00000000648deaad rbx=00000000131cdbd8 rcx=00000000131cd460
    rdx=00000000000000d0 rsi=0000000016e8ccf0 rdi=0000000016a40830
    rip=000007fefcce940d rsp=00000000131cda70 rbp=0000000016e8cb90
     r8=0000000000000000  r9=0000000000000000 r10=00000000164b0000
    r11=00000000131cdab0 r12=00000000131ce1e8 r13=0000000016e79710
    r14=0000000000000000 r15=0000000000000000
    iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
    cs=0033  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00000202
    KERNELBASE!RaiseException+0x39:
    000007fe`fcce940d 4881c4c8000000  add     rsp,0C8h
    Resetting default scope
    
    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    PROCESS_NAME:  explorer.exe
    
    OVERLAPPED_MODULE: Address regions for 'RarExt' and 'DeviceCenter.dll' overlap
    
    ERROR_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0x80000003 - {AUSNAHME}  Haltepunkt  Im Quellprogramm wurde ein Haltepunkt erreicht.
    
    EXCEPTION_CODE: (HRESULT) 0x80000003 (2147483651) - Mindestens ein Argument ist ung ltig.
    
    EXCEPTION_PARAMETER1:  0000000000000000
    
    NTGLOBALFLAG:  2000100
    
    APPLICATION_VERIFIER_FLAGS:  48004
    
    APP:  explorer.exe
    
    ANALYSIS_VERSION: 6.3.9600.16384 (debuggers(dbg).130821-1623) amd64fre
    
    LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER:  from 000007fef1774b3a to 000007fef175ae03
    
    FAULTING_THREAD:  0000000000001c30
    
    PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    BUGCHECK_STR:  APPLICATION_FAULT_STATUS_BREAKPOINT
    
    STACK_TEXT:  
    00 ntdll!NtWaitForSingleObject
    01 ntdll!RtlReportExceptionEx
    02 ntdll!RtlReportException
    03 verifier!AVrfpVectoredExceptionHandler
    04 ntdll!RtlpCallVectoredHandlers
    05 ntdll!RtlDispatchException
    06 ntdll!KiUserExceptionDispatch
    07 verifier!VerifierStopMessageEx
    08 verifier!AVrfpThreadFunctionExceptionFilter
    09 verifier!_chkstk
    0a ntdll!_C_specific_handler
    0b ntdll!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException
    0c ntdll!RtlDispatchException
    0d ntdll!RtlRaiseException
    0e KERNELBASE!RaiseException
    0f msvcr90!CxxThrowException
    10 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    11 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    12 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    13 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    14 mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer
    15 ole32!ICoCreateInstanceEx
    16 ole32!CoCreateInstance
    17 shell32!_SHCoCreateInstance
    18 shell32!CRegFolder::_CreateCachedRegFolder
    19 shell32!CRegFolder::_BindToItem
    1a shell32!CRegFolder::BindToObject
    1b shell32!CShellItem::_BindToHandlerLegacy
    1c shell32!CShellItem::BindToHandler
    1d shell32!CShellItem::_GetPropertyStoreWorker
    1e shell32!CShellItem::GetPropertyStoreForKeys
    1f shell32!CShellItem::GetBool
    20 shell32!CSendToMenu::_AddSendToItem
    21 shell32!CSendToMenu::FoundItem
    22 shell32!CSendToMenu::EnterFolder
    23 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolderItem
    24 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolder
    25 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkFolderItem
    26 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkIDList
    27 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::_WalkShellItem
    28 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::Walk
    29 shell32!CNamespaceWalk::s_AsyncWalkThreadProc
    2a shlwapi!WrapperThreadProc
    2b verifier!AVrfpStandardThreadFunction
    2c kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk
    2d ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart
    
    
    IMAGE_NAME:  mozyshell.dll
    
    FAILURE_BUCKET_ID:  STATUS_BREAKPOINT_80000003_mozyshell.dll!DllUnregisterServer
    
    BUCKET_ID:  X64_APPLICATION_FAULT_STATUS_BREAKPOINT_mozyshell!DllUnregisterServer+bab23
    
    
    
        Loaded symbol image file: mozyshell.dll
        Image path: C:\Program Files\MozyHome\mozyshell.dll
        Image name: mozyshell.dll
        Browse all global symbols  functions  data
        Timestamp:        Wed Jul 17 01:28:05 2013 (51E5D705)
        CheckSum:         006367A4
        ImageSize:        0065F000
        File version:     2.22.0.313
        Product version:  2.22.0.0
        File flags:       0 (Mask 3F)
        File OS:          40004 NT Win32
        File type:        2.0 Dll
        File date:        01CE9228.FF51978C
        Translations:     0007.04b0
        CompanyName:      Mozy, Inc.
        ProductName:      MozyHome
        InternalName:     x64_shell.dll
        ProductVersion:   2,22,0,0
        FileVersion:      2,22,0,313
        FileDescription:  MozyHome Shell-Erweiterungen
        LegalCopyright:   Copyright © 2005-2013 - Mozy, Inc.
    

    Disable the shell integration and look if you still get crashes.


    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    • Marked as answer by JMillar123 Saturday, October 5, 2013 2:59 AM
    Friday, October 4, 2013 3:09 PM
  • Thank you so much! This has resolved the problem.

    Just out of interest, why does this occur in the first place?

    Saturday, October 5, 2013 3:00 AM
  • why does this occur in the first place?

    what do you mean?

    "A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code"

    Saturday, October 5, 2013 6:43 AM