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Is UAG actually being actively developed? RRS feed

  • Question

  • Given the recent announcements around the demise of TMG and other Forefront products and the statement the UAG is being actively developed, does anyone know when we can expect some announcements around updates/CTPs/BETAs to add support/functionality for the raft of new products being released (not just Windows 8 but also SharePoint 2013, Exchange 2013, Lync 2013, etc)?

    The System Center team at least have given people CTPs and Betas of SP1 that adds support for the latest operating systems to test and evaluate for compatibility issues with the latest products. The UAG team seem to be woefully silent and not to have a a technical preview out seems really odd at the very least.

    It seems even odder that Technet seems to be recommending migrating off UAG to Server 2012 for DirectAccess plus I understand that Remote Desktop Publishing is better in 2012 requiring no web plugins thus increasing support for other operating systems and browsers over UAG.

    Makes me wonder what I pay Software Assurance for on UAG. As my renewal is due soon, at this point I am starting to wonder whether I should drop UAG and look for something else.

    Is there anything out there that breaks the silence that would convince us SA customers not to kick UAG in to touch?


    Darren

    Friday, November 16, 2012 7:49 AM

All replies

  • MS are working on updates to support Windows 8 as mentioned here http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-HK/forefrontedgeiag/thread/a41d6919-7ead-4a0a-8571-84607fb08132 and hopefully solving a few other post SP2 issues too, but there is no ETA at this time. As for the 2013 wave of server workloads there seems to be little documentation or guidance out there at the moment which I agree is a little frustrating... From what I have read UAG will not be supported for Exchange 2013 until Exchange 2013 SP1 The SharePoint 2013 docs talk specifically about UAG but it would likely need new a new application template to be provided/created to work correctly As for Lync, even 2010 isn't fully supported by UAG, let alone 2013 DirectAccess is now a core feature of Windows Server 2012 so you no longer need to purchase UAG to get the benefits it brought over native 2008 r2 DirectAccess (NAT64, HA etc); there are some nice enhancements that improve on UAG DA too... The need for reverse proxy isn't going away (even with DA) which I'm sure MS are aware of... Cheers JJ

    Jason Jones | Microsoft MVP | Silversands Ltd | My Blogs: http://blog.msedge.org.uk and http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk

    Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:05 AM
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  • Thanks for replying, I do appreciate it. You kind of highlight my point, and the following rant is not aimed at you but Microsoft.

    MS say they are working on an update to support Windows 8 and you mention that UAG won't work with Exchange 2013 until SP1 is released. This is not good enough IMHO. There isn't even a CTP out which means we are theoretically 12-18 months away from a final release product. If we are very lucky we might get an update for Windows 8 in the next few months but no-one is saying anything to suggest that. Will that update support RT? Again no-one is talking.

    For those of us with OVS or SA agreements for a large range of range of Microsoft's products including UAG not having something that we can at least be testing at this stage is poor and the UAG development team need to start communicating with their users NOW at the very least if they aren't in a position to get updates out.

    With TMG gone, UAG is now Microsoft's only chargeable remote access publishing solution. I want value from my SA, particularly on an expensive product like UAG, I expect new versions every 3 years, that's kind of the point of SA. Right now I'm not seeing it. Either the price of the license needs to be slashed or updates have to be released to ensure full support of the products UAG is supposed to allow access to as these products are released.

    On the subject of DirectAccess, a lot of us were sold UAG as the best way to implement DA. To see MS actively pushing something that hurts one of their own products seems really odd. Without a new version of UAG, the case for sticking with it as the way to allow remote users access to internal resources seems to be diminished even further.

    I like UAG but I want to be convinced of a reason to stick with it and not start looking at other cheaper solutions that may even work with the new stuff MS is releasing. I don't think I'm being unreasonable.

    Thanks again for replying.


    Darren

    Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:27 AM
  • Thought you may like to see the comments from here: http://aka.ms/zx2vwb

    Jason Jones | Microsoft MVP | Silversands Ltd | My Blogs: http://blog.msedge.org.uk and http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk

    Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:18 PM
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  • Thank you. Really interesting bit of information for those wanting to early adopt Exchange 2013 (or at the very least give it a serious test).

    Like your blog too by the way. I'll be checking it regularly for updates in the TMG/UAG world from here on in.

    Really hope the UAG team break their wall of silence soon instead of relying on other teams to get news out there.


    Darren

    Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:25 AM
  • Based upon history, UAG is always slightly behind server workload product changes and often has to "play catch up" as it is so application focused; also small changes in server workload products, sometimes end up being big changes in UAG, so it's not always as simple as it seems (not being defensive, just realistic from what I have seen).

    Glad you like the blog ;)

    I will update the thread if I hear more...


    Jason Jones | Microsoft MVP | Silversands Ltd | My Blogs: http://blog.msedge.org.uk and http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk

    Thursday, November 22, 2012 4:13 PM
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  • Thanks again. I do understand what you say. Just wish they would communicate more - the Exchange Server team have always had excellent blogs. Compare that to the UAG team where the last post was 2 months ago - with all the changes in the world of Forefront and the new products coming out - 2 months - really?

    Thank god for the dedicated band of MVPs like yourself (and other professionals who do an equally good job of sharing their experiences) who at least try to keep us "normal" end users up to date.


    Darren

    Thursday, November 22, 2012 4:44 PM
  • Thanks again. I do understand what you say. Just wish they would communicate more - the Exchange Server team have always had excellent blogs. Compare that to the UAG team where the last post was 2 months ago - with all the changes in the world of Forefront and the new products coming out - 2 months - really?

    Thank god for the dedicated band of MVPs like yourself (and other professionals who do an equally good job of sharing their experiences) who at least try to keep us "normal" end users up to date.


    Darren


    Cool - don't forget, we are also bound by NDA so even when we do know something (not always before you, but sometimes) we can't mention it publically...

    Jason Jones | Microsoft MVP | Silversands Ltd | My Blogs: http://blog.msedge.org.uk and http://blog.msfirewall.org.uk

    Thursday, November 22, 2012 4:52 PM
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