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SBS 2008 install Lync Server 2010

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  • Is it possible to install Lync 2010 within a Microsoft Small Business Server 2008 network? Is there any SBS setup documentation?
    Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:11 PM

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  • Yes, you can do that. But you may have an issue with your exchange/sbs licensing if you want to deploy Exchange UM.

    From a 'technical' point of view, Lync Server 2010 will have no problem to install. Of course you will have to install on a different server!


    George Varakis - MVP on Lync Server in Greece
    • Marked as answer by CABird Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:35 PM
    Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:52 PM
  • Hi, Install Lync Server 2010 within a Microsoft Small Business Server 2008 network isn't supported.

    You can check this documents get more information: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg412831.aspx

    Supported Domain Controller Operating Systems

    Lync Server 2010 supports domain controllers running the following operating systems:

    • Windows Server 2008 R2 operating system
    • Windows Server 2008 operating system
    • Windows Server 2008 Enterprise 32-Bit
    • The 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the Window Server 2003 R2 operating system
    • The 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the Windows Server 2003

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    • Proposed as answer by Charbel Hanna Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:14 AM
    • Marked as answer by CABird Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:35 PM
    Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:45 AM

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  • Yes, you can do that. But you may have an issue with your exchange/sbs licensing if you want to deploy Exchange UM.

    From a 'technical' point of view, Lync Server 2010 will have no problem to install. Of course you will have to install on a different server!


    George Varakis - MVP on Lync Server in Greece
    • Marked as answer by CABird Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:35 PM
    Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:52 PM
  • Hi, Install Lync Server 2010 within a Microsoft Small Business Server 2008 network isn't supported.

    You can check this documents get more information: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg412831.aspx

    Supported Domain Controller Operating Systems

    Lync Server 2010 supports domain controllers running the following operating systems:

    • Windows Server 2008 R2 operating system
    • Windows Server 2008 operating system
    • Windows Server 2008 Enterprise 32-Bit
    • The 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the Window Server 2003 R2 operating system
    • The 32-bit or 64-bit versions of the Windows Server 2003

    Please remember to click “Mark as Answer” on the post that helps you, and to click “Unmark as Answer” if a marked post does not actually answer your question. This can be beneficial to other community members reading the thread.
    • Proposed as answer by Charbel Hanna Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:14 AM
    • Marked as answer by CABird Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:35 PM
    Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:45 AM
  • Hi,

    So, then this is a huge hole in the Microsoft brand. I am looking at a lot of phone solutions for small business, less than 25 users. Lync could knock Go To Meeting (pretty expensive) out of the scene if there were a way to get Lync to behave and be supported with SBS 2008 or SBS 2011 with a single Lync server UM solution. Licensing models should be looked at so that the small business has a chance in heck of affording it. SBS premium could add the archiving as another instance on the Premium SBS box. That leaves an internet facing Lync deployment from a single box settled on server 2008 and Exchange UM licensing.

    I had hoped to be able to suggest Lync for SBS, not so sayeth Charlie Hanna.

    Fooey.

    Eugene Palmer

    SBS 2008 Specialist.

    Monday, April 18, 2011 5:04 AM
  • Hi,

    So, then this is a huge hole in the Microsoft brand. I am looking at a lot of phone solutions for small business, less than 25 users. Lync could knock Go To Meeting (pretty expensive) out of the scene if there were a way to get Lync to behave and be supported with SBS 2008 or SBS 2011 with a single Lync server UM solution. Licensing models should be looked at so that the small business has a chance in heck of affording it. SBS premium could add the archiving as another instance on the Premium SBS box. That leaves an internet facing Lync deployment from a single box settled on server 2008 and Exchange UM licensing.

    I had hoped to be able to suggest Lync for SBS, not so sayeth Charlie Hanna.

    Fooey.

    Eugene Palmer

    SBS 2008 Specialist.


    Exactly, Eugene.  ResponsePoint was genius.  Amazingly easy to setup, super easy to administer, and very affordable.  Now with that out of the picture, Lync is the only MS option for small biz.  And it requires a whole other server, still somewhat complex setup, and nowhere near the ease of administration ResponsePoint had.  Again, it's another case of too many companies ignoring the huge small biz market.  MS is doing better than 5 years ago, but discontinuing RP without a reasonable replacement is a big step back.
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:05 AM
  • epsilonx - like you my interest was in response to client enquiry. If I understand the above correctly installation on seperate 2008 server linked to SBS server is technically possible. I tried and failed because I don't understand the setup. I'm after SBS documentation to give this another go.


    Christopher Bird
    Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:53 AM
  • I've installed Lync 2011 Server in Small Business Server 2008 enviroment few days ago, so it is possible. Deployment was quite complex (too many steps), but SBS caused no effect on installation process.

    This weekend i'm planning migration from SBS 2008 to SBS 2010 at the same customer, that would show SBS 2010 compatibility.

    CABird, althrough setup of Lync is complex, there are many blogs and articles with step by step Lync installation manuals. Give it another chance.

    Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:44 PM
  • @StarT2 - do you happen to have any of the links to the blogs that helped you with this setup. I have a SBS2011 domain setup and I would like to get Lync 2010 setup on a virtualized server and have it work with the SBS2011 box effectively. Thank You in Advance.
    Sincerely, Eddie Becker Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Administrator (MCITP) Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) Cisco Certified Design Associate (CCDA) Cisco Advanced Wireless Field Specialist
    Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:30 PM
  • Technically isn't SBS2011 built on the Windows Server 2008 R2 operating system foundation? So wouldn't that mean it should be supported?
    Sincerely, Eddie Becker Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Administrator (MCITP) Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) Cisco Certified Design Associate (CCDA) Cisco Advanced Wireless Field Specialist
    Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:35 PM
  • @StarT2 - do you happen to have any of the links to the blogs that helped you with this setup. I have a SBS2011 domain setup and I would like to get Lync 2010 setup on a virtualized server and have it work with the SBS2011 box effectively. Thank You in Advance.
    Sincerely, Eddie Becker Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Administrator (MCITP) Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) Cisco Certified Design Associate (CCDA) Cisco Advanced Wireless Field Specialist


    If it is still helpfull to you, you could see http://www.ocspedia.com/fe/Install_Microsoft_Lync_Server_2010.aspx?ArticleID=103 or http://policelli.com/Files/Deploying_Lync_Server_2010_Standard.pdf. Well any "lync 2010 standard step by step installation" in any search engine would be helpfull. I've installed Lync on virtual server Hyper-V server, installation on any other virtualization system should be the same. You might want to read Microsoft documentation for Lync virtualisation, but it's content is mainly for large implementations with more than one server.

    Typical steps are:

    - Prepearing server (Service packs, updates, .net)

    - prepearing your AD environment (extending schema)

    - installing Lync Topology Builder

    - creating your topology and implementing it (publishing it in sql express)

    - installing Lync server

    - creating DNS records. (i had some troubles at that step because of .local domain  for internal needs and .ru for external, next time will never install .local domain)



    • Proposed as answer by StarT2 Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:26 AM
    • Unproposed as answer by StarT2 Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:26 AM
    Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:19 AM
  • Hello,

    Our company has focused on exactly the market you guys are talking about. We have spent a LOT of time investigating ResponsePoint, 3CX (wrote a book on it, 1st 3CX Premium partner in world, etc), snomONE (certified partner) and Microsoft Lync. Basically we have looks at all the options for running a Windows pbx in SMB market. Here is some of this knowledge distilled.

    My suggestion is that putting Lync into every small business that wants a phone system will be a mistake. Don't get me wrong, I am among the first to say that small businesses will want Lync (we just implemented a 50user Lync replacing CISCO callmanger) but (at the moment) is costlier in licensing and implementation time than some good alternatives for people that "just want a phone system".

    What are those alternatives? From my experience the one enterprise grade in quality and features is snom ONE. This product is reasonably simple to install, has incredible list of pbx features and price is stunningly low. Runs on windows server or win7. Installs in 5min and take 50MB RAM to run! take a look at it.

    Also some advice about the complaint "it needs to run on another server". Truly, you will want this even if Microsoft/snom or whoever didn't say you need to. This can be a Hyper-v VM if you want, but you will want some "seperation" from all the SBS stuff going on. SBS already has a LOT of stuff going on it. (i'm a sbs fan as well. ;-) Remember that all Lync roles will run on VM for a SMB.

    I've written an article about Lync for the really SMB that takes Lync to a "whole new low" (ha ha) available here:
    http://windowspbx.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-small-server-will-microsoft-lync.html

     


    http://windowspbx.blogspot.com
    Monday, September 12, 2011 3:50 PM
  • I have Lync Server running in SBS environments.  It is complicated to learn, but worth the effort.  It runs circles around Cisco's Unified Communications and if installed properly is very reliable and easy to administer.

    You'll need to buy Exchange Enterprise licenses in addition to the SBS licenses if you want t use Exchange UM.  The license is approx $36.

    You cannot install Lync on the SBS server.

     

    Ian 'Skip' Guyer  - Just another IT guy.


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer
    Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM
  • Yes, it is possible.  I have several running in the field today.

    Implementing your first Lync (or OCS) system is the hard part.  But after you have one up and running, they get easier after that.

    Ian 'Skip' Guyer


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer
    Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:18 PM
  • Yes it is.  And Lync works with SBS 2008/2011.  As Matt previously mentioned not only is it not supported on the SBS server, it is not something you'd want to do even if you could.

    I've installed Lync with SBS 2008 as small as 30 users and SBS 2011 as small as 12 users.

    It isn't for the faint of heart in those environments.  There is a tenacity required to get Lync Server to work the first time.  But they get easier with each implementation.

    Ian 'Skip' Guyer

     

     


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer

    • Edited by Ian Guyer Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:31 PM
    • Proposed as answer by hlimbada Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:57 PM
    • Unproposed as answer by hlimbada Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:57 PM
    Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:30 PM
  • Lync in a SBS enviroment works great. I have just finished a SBS 2011 and Lync deployment. Raised the Domain/Forest to 2008, installed Lync Standard edition, configured UM intergration (Had to install UM Role on SBS Server) and everything is working great.

     

    Just make sure you have a VALID SSL certificate installed on your SBS server.

    Monday, November 14, 2011 6:26 PM
  • Tim_MCP,

    I agree it can work, but is it a supported arrangement?

    I'd like to get the cleared.


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    Monday, November 14, 2011 6:30 PM
  • Tim,

    I called Microsoft (OCS Engineering Team) on this numerous times.  Back in the OCS days, they didn't even consider Enterprise Voice running in an SBS environment, so they never tested it.  They saw no reason it wouldn't, and if it did, let them know (which I did).  The only problem I found was OCS/Lync requires Exchange 2007 SP2+ and the SP2 upgrade for Exchange was not available to SBS 2008 (I see that SP3 is though?) at that time.  Microsoft gave me the instruction to install SP2 on an SBS Exchange 2007, and they had no objections to running OCS (or Lync) in an SBS envirnoment.  Microsoft also said if I bought Enterprise CALs for Exchange 2007 (approx $30ea), that Exchange UM would be legal to use. Same applies for SBS 2011 and Exchange 2010.

    I don't believe there will be any testing of Lync in the SBS environment by Microsoft, so you'll have to work with caution.  As far as I can tell there is NO SUPPORT for the SBS environment for Lync from Microsoft specifically.

    Ian 'Skip' Guyer


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer

    • Edited by Ian Guyer Monday, November 14, 2011 10:05 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2011 10:03 PM
  • If its supported or not supported i dont have a "Microsoft" answer for that. I can tell you it works like a charm. and if you are experienced in Lync, Exchange and Server you wont have any issues installing and supporting it.

     like i mentioned I have a SBS 2011 and Lync setup, with using the Exchange 2010 UM, OWA IM, GAL photos everything is working flawless. there are some minor "tweaking" you will need to do. I do suggest right of the start you dont use your SBS administrator credentials. create a lyncadmin or something as i ran into issues using the default admin account. raise your Domain/Forst to 2008 if not done so already.

     

    but like Ian said, you need to know what your doing. Small Business Server takes EVERYTHING Microsoft says about "Best Practice" and throws it out the window. ie Dont install Exchange on a domain controller :)

     

    • Edited by Tim_MCP Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:36 PM
    Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:34 PM
  • Hi StarT2,

    I've managed to setup Lync 2010 partially in an SBS 2011 environment. Internally everything is fine, but I can not set up external access. I'm not using edge, I saw some blogs about a setup without reverse proxy, however that requires access to ports that are used by SBS 2011..

    Any pointers on how you overcame those in your install with SBS 2008?

    Thank you in advanve for your help.

     

     

     

    Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:52 PM
  • Hi,

    Not sure if this comes to you. Im new to this. Im not much of an IT guy, haven't studied IT at all. I managed to setup Lync 2010 in a SBS environment, internally it all works great. Any pointers on how to get it to work externally without an Edge server? 

    Kind Regards 

     

    Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:00 PM
  •  

    @hlimbada

    For external access you must install an Edge Server.  A Reverse-Proxy is not required for external access, but is required for some content so the conferencing experience won't be as rich as it could be.

    You need 3 public IP addresses in addition to the IP address that SBS 2008/11 uses for remote.domain.ext to setup an Edge Server.  This CAN be done with just one additional IP address, but you'll find many in the corporate environment won't be able to conference or do desktop shares since you'll need to use custom ports for A/V and Conferencing and the implementation with the Edge using one IP is difficult for a first time install.

    What help do you need to interface with SBS?

    Just another IT guy.

     


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer
    • Edited by Ian Guyer Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:13 PM typo
    Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:07 PM
  • @hlimbada

    Use Terminal Server w/Win2008 R2 or Remote Desktop w/Windows 7 since they both extend audio to the external user.  Don't expect Video to work well, however.

     

     

     


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer
    Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:12 PM
  • Hello Himbada.

    My installation was few months ago, so it is not so bright in my memories.

    1. There is no need for reverse proxy at all as far as i know. To my mind "reverse proxy" is technology that allows to cache some data and decrease load on channels and servers in case of static sources (static web pages like wiki, or video clips like youtube). In our case any information that we gain thru Lynk is generated by users in realtime. What we really need is any device or proxy server that could forward needed port ranges from WAN to Lync and to SBS. Please let me know if i'm wrong about "reverse proxy" definition.

    2. You do not need Edge server for external access. It is stated in Lync installation Guides, if you wish i'll find this statement in docs. But, it is recomended that you have Edge server role installed for security porposes. (such server will be outside your domain and even being hacked will not compromise your internal LAN)

    3. To get Lync work you'll need to create port mappings for all the ports described in installation guide. In my case i've opened TLS (5061) both TCP and UDP, and 443 SSL port and mapped it to Lync server (simple chat communications was all i needed). Thats the point of the conflict - port 443 is used for SBS already (OWA, outlook access, web workspace and so on). There are ways to resolve problem.

    Traditionaly you'll gain separate external IP for your Lync, and configure router or proxy to forward ports in preferrable manner.

    In my case, i've had just 2 external lync users and separate IP for 2 users was quite expencive decision. So i've found that 443 port is needed only for first setup (logon) for client. I do not know why, but in my case it worked. I'm changing 443 port forward to point to Lync server temporary (so some SBS features do not work at that time (5 mins)), client connects, after that i'm getting 443 port mapping back to SBS. I've done that once, for each of external client and they still work. I'm not sure if rich media features works in that case, but IM works.

    Please make sure that your server certificates are accepted on external client's PC\MAC\whatever. I've spent some time on that.

    Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:40 PM
  • howdy, we have also SBS 2011 standard on one box and SBS premium on another and are now readying for our Lync deployment. In terms of servers and roles, what would be the best set up in a SBS 2011 environment, wanting to deploy all Lync functionality to users? Another issue not touched here is federation. If users want to connect to yahoo and messenger users, lync needs to establish federation trust. Is that actually possible in a SBS 2011 environment or is there a workaround to enable this?

    (we are in the lucky position to have 5 dormant servers that could double as 10 Virtual ones.)

    Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:40 PM
  • Lync Server 2010 operating in an SBS 2011 environment will federate with MSN/Live just fine.  It's only a matter of giving permission to federate to users and having the Edge Server properly installed.

    In an SBS environment that you are not virtualizing, you only need two servers for federation -  the Frontend server and the Edge server.


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer

    Saturday, April 07, 2012 6:35 PM
  • good news indeed. now about the set up, that would mean we deploy 3 servers: 1 box to run all Lync standard services, one for frint end and one for edge server? The archiving would use teh SQL on SBS 2011 premium box, would it not?
    Sunday, April 08, 2012 6:52 AM
  • Well, the number of servers you'll need to use depends on their perfomance and number of users (load). Basically, to have all the features you requested ( standard + IM federation), you'll need at least 2 separate servers: Edge Server (installed on non domain server), and Lync standard. Front end role could be combined with other Lync Standard server roles.

    If you need more secure solution or more scalable solution you should use separate server for Front end server. Number of servers that you should use depends on your load (number of users).

    Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:48 AM
  • @Whyprr - If you're installing in an SBS 2011 environment, I'll assume you have less than 75 users, which would be considered a light load for Lync Server.  AND I'll assume you are installing Lync Server 2010 Standard which does not require (or support) an SQL Server backend.

    With this configuration you need 1 SBS 2011 Server, 1 Lync Front End Server, 1 Edge Server (all of which can be virtualized, but virtualizing the Edge Server isn't recommended).

    Hope this helps.


    Ian 'Skip' Guyer

    Sunday, April 08, 2012 4:38 PM
  • thanks thats what I thought and it applies to our current environment (less than 75 users). But you bring up a good question ahead for when the 75 user limit will be reached, but thats for another thread.
    Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:26 PM
  • Hi Tim,

    Do you have a list of steps you followed to install with SBS 2008. I am just getting confused on the SSL certificate section of the installation. I managed to get Lync clients to run internally but seem to have problems getting Lync clients to talk to the server. I have tried deployment analysis tools which shows me the issue is with the certificate.

    Thanks,

    Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:16 AM
  • JDiz, who issued certificates for Lync server, and what type of certificates was that? In simple SBS environment with self issued certificates it must be issued by your SBS server, logically it is your root CA for all your domain members, and they should normally accept such certificates. (you can check if they are accepted by getting to any https internal web site).

    Lync installation wizard does have a step for certificate request. Here you can find manual for it on p 61.

    In my case wizard failed and i had to do the procedure manually. (type of certificate - webserver, DNS names you can find in manual i mentioned above.) If you'll issue it manually.

    After certificate is ready (manually or by wizard) you could check it on any of your domains PC, simply by opening it. It should tell that certificate is ok, or not, and in Details in "certificate template name" you should see "WebServer", and finally in "SubjectAlternativeName" there should be a lot of your server nicknames (meet.yourdomain, sip.yourdomain and so on)

    Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:55 AM
  • Hi Ian,

    I am starting out learning Lync 2010 for our SBS customers here in Australia. Is there any way I can contact you to find out how SBS 2008 can work with a Lync 2010 on a second server.

    Thanks,

    Joseph

    Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:05 AM
  • Hi StarT2,

    Thanks for the feedback. I think this is where I went wrong but I did not get to see if it was going to work until I tried from an external Lync client.

    I might arrange an online session when you are available to see where I went wrong. Otherwise, I am happy to discuss offline how you've found the product with SBS customers.

    Thanks,

    Joseph

    Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:10 AM