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  • Question

  • Hello friends,

    We purchased licenses to use Windows 2012, but came the Windows 2016 licenses.

    We were able to downgrade the licenses from Windows 2016 to 2012, but a question arose.

    How can I license my virtual machines with Windows 2008, if the license I have is Windows 2012 (already done downgrade).

    Thank you.
    Monday, November 14, 2016 11:09 AM

Answers

  • "How can I license my virtual machines with Windows 2008, if the license I have is Windows 2012 "

    Don't confuse activation with licensing.  Licenses are applied to the physical host.  It is a 'paper transaction'.  By that I mean that there is nothing that installs a license on the machine.  You need to keep track of which license number is associated with which physical server.  Some people simply use a spreadsheet for this.  Large shops often have license management systems that keep track for them.  This information is needed should you ever be audited.

    Virtual machines are not licensed.  As noted above, physical machines are licensed and the license assigned to the physical machine grants virtualization rights for that physical machine.

    Activation, on the other hand, requires the entry of some form of a key.  This is necessary for both the physical host and any guests running as virtual machines on that host.  This key entry can happen in many different ways.  An automatic way is to configure a Key Management Service on one or more machines.  Then you can enter a KMS key into this service and machines will automatically be activated.  Otherwise, you need to manually enter an activation key.  Volume license media comes with a special key already in the media so it does not need to be activated manually.

    As diramoh states, even though you have the right to downgrade to an earlier version, you must obtain previous version media and activation key(s) on your own.  Generally you get these from the reseller from whom you purchased your Windows Server 2016 media and license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim


    • Edited by Tim CerlingMVP Monday, November 14, 2016 3:47 PM
    • Proposed as answer by diramoh Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:04 AM
    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 3:46 PM
  • "I got with Microsoft the keys of Windows 2012 and 2008 R2. They did not pass me the Windows 2008 licenses."

    It sounds like you need to talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can gain a better understanding of how Microsoft licenses products.  There is no 'Windows 2008 license' for you to have.  You have a Windows Server 2016 license that is assigned to the physical host.  That license contains 'down-grade' rights which grants you the right to run down-level versions of the operating, physical or virtual, on that physical machine.  As long as you have the media and activation codes, you could run Windows NT 3.5 Server.

    Activation keys and media are obtained separately from the license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 4:48 PM
  • I recommend you contact either your vendor from whom you purchased the 2016 licenses or Microsoft to inquire about obtaining keys for Windows 2008.

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 7:22 PM
  • "When the servers have been converted, Windows 2008 is asking you to be licensed."

    They are asking for the activation key, not a license.  You need activation keys.  As stated a couple times, you need to talk with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can understand licensing better.  Or, if you prefer to read, here are good documents - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/product-licensing/virtualization.aspx and https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/learn-more/brief-windows-server-virtualization.aspx  The second is for 2012 R2, but it remains pretty much the same for 2016 - the only difference is that Microsoft moved to a physical processor count for licensing in 2016.

    Activation keys are completely separate from the license.  Of course, you don't want to hand out your keys to anyone else, as that can cause piracy.  You should be able to get activation keys from the reseller from whom you purchased your 2016 license or by contacting Microsoft.  Nobody in this forum can help in any other way besides directing you to those resources.

    There is a bit of a difference for virtual machines that are running client operating systems.  Those are generally licensed through a different agreement.  The virtualization rights that come with the Windows Server operating system does not cover client operating systems.  Again, talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist.  Remember that a license is a legal agreement between you and Microsoft.  This is a technical forum, not a legal forum.  Responses provided here are opinions, not legal advice.  Your lawyers and auditors will appreciate the fact that you talked with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist should you ever get audited.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:49 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 10:03 PM
  • Where you able to resolve this issue?  If these are volume licenses I would recommend contacting the Volume License Service Center https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/Help/Contact.aspx or if they where purchased through a partner I would recommend contacting the partner.

    -Taylor

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 21, 2016 11:53 PM

All replies

  • Hi,

    wenn you purchase Windows Server 2016 license, you may downgrade it to previous Versions(2012/2008 R2/2008). However, for downgrade your 2012 to 2008 VMs you need an existing Media + Key for the 2008 Version even if is used.

    for licensing compliance, with one wind serv 2016 std license you can install up to two VMs(different Versions, for example:  1 VM as 2008 + 1 VM as 2012 or both 2008).

    Microsoft does not provide any downgrade Kit for previous Versions(except licenses through VLSC: N-2).

    thanks

    diramoh

    Monday, November 14, 2016 3:32 PM
  • "How can I license my virtual machines with Windows 2008, if the license I have is Windows 2012 "

    Don't confuse activation with licensing.  Licenses are applied to the physical host.  It is a 'paper transaction'.  By that I mean that there is nothing that installs a license on the machine.  You need to keep track of which license number is associated with which physical server.  Some people simply use a spreadsheet for this.  Large shops often have license management systems that keep track for them.  This information is needed should you ever be audited.

    Virtual machines are not licensed.  As noted above, physical machines are licensed and the license assigned to the physical machine grants virtualization rights for that physical machine.

    Activation, on the other hand, requires the entry of some form of a key.  This is necessary for both the physical host and any guests running as virtual machines on that host.  This key entry can happen in many different ways.  An automatic way is to configure a Key Management Service on one or more machines.  Then you can enter a KMS key into this service and machines will automatically be activated.  Otherwise, you need to manually enter an activation key.  Volume license media comes with a special key already in the media so it does not need to be activated manually.

    As diramoh states, even though you have the right to downgrade to an earlier version, you must obtain previous version media and activation key(s) on your own.  Generally you get these from the reseller from whom you purchased your Windows Server 2016 media and license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim


    • Edited by Tim CerlingMVP Monday, November 14, 2016 3:47 PM
    • Proposed as answer by diramoh Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:04 AM
    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 3:46 PM
  • "How can I license my virtual machines with Windows 2008, if the license I have is Windows 2012 "

    Don't confuse activation with licensing.  Licenses are applied to the physical host.  It is a 'paper transaction'.  By that I mean that there is nothing that installs a license on the machine.  You need to keep track of which license number is associated with which physical server.  Some people simply use a spreadsheet for this.  Large shops often have license management systems that keep track for them.  This information is needed should you ever be audited.

    Virtual machines are not licensed.  As noted above, physical machines are licensed and the license assigned to the physical machine grants virtualization rights for that physical machine.

    Activation, on the other hand, requires the entry of some form of a key.  This is necessary for both the physical host and any guests running as virtual machines on that host.  This key entry can happen in many different ways.  An automatic way is to configure a Key Management Service on one or more machines.  Then you can enter a KMS key into this service and machines will automatically be activated.  Otherwise, you need to manually enter an activation key.  Volume license media comes with a special key already in the media so it does not need to be activated manually.

    As diramoh states, even though you have the right to downgrade to an earlier version, you must obtain previous version media and activation key(s) on your own.  Generally you get these from the reseller from whom you purchased your Windows Server 2016 media and license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim


    I got with Microsoft the keys of Windows 2012 and 2008 R2. They did not pass me the Windows 2008 licenses.

    Licenses were purchased in the new licensing model for Windows 2016 (per core), which provides me with up to six virtual machines.

    The environment I'm virtualizing is made up of machines with Windows 2008 only and some Windows 7 and XP.

    Tim,

    I thought the same Windows 2012 Hyperv server would be used in virtual machines. Just as it is in Windows Datacenter.

    I have to include the serial manually.

    Thank you.
    Monday, November 14, 2016 4:25 PM
  • Hi,

    wenn you purchase Windows Server 2016 license, you may downgrade it to previous Versions(2012/2008 R2/2008). However, for downgrade your 2012 to 2008 VMs you need an existing Media + Key for the 2008 Version even if is used.

    for licensing compliance, with one wind serv 2016 std license you can install up to two VMs(different Versions, for example:  1 VM as 2008 + 1 VM as 2012 or both 2008).

    Microsoft does not provide any downgrade Kit for previous Versions(except licenses through VLSC: N-2).

    thanks

    diramoh

    I got with Microsoft the keys of Windows 2012 and 2008 R2. They did not pass me the Windows 2008 licenses.

    Licenses were purchased in the new licensing model for Windows 2016 (per core), which provides me with up to six virtual machines.

    The environment I'm virtualizing is made up of machines with Windows 2008 only and some Windows 7 and XP.

    Diramoh,

    Does the downgrade you say is a guess or are you already done it in practice?

    If it's true, I'll call Microsoft and ask for the keys for Windows 2008 SP2.
    Monday, November 14, 2016 4:25 PM
  • "I got with Microsoft the keys of Windows 2012 and 2008 R2. They did not pass me the Windows 2008 licenses."

    It sounds like you need to talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can gain a better understanding of how Microsoft licenses products.  There is no 'Windows 2008 license' for you to have.  You have a Windows Server 2016 license that is assigned to the physical host.  That license contains 'down-grade' rights which grants you the right to run down-level versions of the operating, physical or virtual, on that physical machine.  As long as you have the media and activation codes, you could run Windows NT 3.5 Server.

    Activation keys and media are obtained separately from the license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 4:48 PM
  • Why do you want to downgrade to an OS that is nearing end of support?  I can understand downgrading your VMs to 2012, but not 2008.

    Also, there's no reason to not keep your host running Hyper-V Server 2016.

    Monday, November 14, 2016 4:57 PM
  • "I got with Microsoft the keys of Windows 2012 and 2008 R2. They did not pass me the Windows 2008 licenses."

    It sounds like you need to talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can gain a better understanding of how Microsoft licenses products.  There is no 'Windows 2008 license' for you to have.  You have a Windows Server 2016 license that is assigned to the physical host.  That license contains 'down-grade' rights which grants you the right to run down-level versions of the operating, physical or virtual, on that physical machine.  As long as you have the media and activation codes, you could run Windows NT 3.5 Server.

    Activation keys and media are obtained separately from the license.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    But it's these activation keys I'm saying.

    When the servers have been converted, Windows 2008 is asking you to be licensed.

    What's the use of my physical host being licensed with Windows 2016 and the virtual machines appear to be missing?

    I need keys to license my guests.

    These licenses I do not have. Actually, I never had.
    Monday, November 14, 2016 5:50 PM
  • Why do you want to downgrade to an OS that is nearing end of support?  I can understand downgrading your VMs to 2012, but not 2008.

    Also, there's no reason to not keep your host running Hyper-V Server 2016.

    I bought Windows 2016 to use Hyperv.

    Since I'm going to convert six physical servers running Windows 2008 to virtual, I bought more Windows 2016 licenses to support the six virtual machines.

    The planning was to use Hyper 2012, so we asked for the downgrade from 2016 to 2012 and Microsoft took advantage and passed me the Windows 2008 R2 licenses, too.

    But my servers that were virtualized, after the conversion are asking for licenses, which I do not have. Never had.

    I thought that when I purchased the additional licenses to support the virtual machines, I would use those licenses I received on the Windows 2008 virtual machines.

    But I only received from 2016, 2012 and 2008 R2.
    Monday, November 14, 2016 5:56 PM
  • I recommend you contact either your vendor from whom you purchased the 2016 licenses or Microsoft to inquire about obtaining keys for Windows 2008.

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 7:22 PM
  • "When the servers have been converted, Windows 2008 is asking you to be licensed."

    They are asking for the activation key, not a license.  You need activation keys.  As stated a couple times, you need to talk with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can understand licensing better.  Or, if you prefer to read, here are good documents - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/product-licensing/virtualization.aspx and https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/learn-more/brief-windows-server-virtualization.aspx  The second is for 2012 R2, but it remains pretty much the same for 2016 - the only difference is that Microsoft moved to a physical processor count for licensing in 2016.

    Activation keys are completely separate from the license.  Of course, you don't want to hand out your keys to anyone else, as that can cause piracy.  You should be able to get activation keys from the reseller from whom you purchased your 2016 license or by contacting Microsoft.  Nobody in this forum can help in any other way besides directing you to those resources.

    There is a bit of a difference for virtual machines that are running client operating systems.  Those are generally licensed through a different agreement.  The virtualization rights that come with the Windows Server operating system does not cover client operating systems.  Again, talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist.  Remember that a license is a legal agreement between you and Microsoft.  This is a technical forum, not a legal forum.  Responses provided here are opinions, not legal advice.  Your lawyers and auditors will appreciate the fact that you talked with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist should you ever get audited.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:49 PM
    Monday, November 14, 2016 10:03 PM
  • "When the servers have been converted, Windows 2008 is asking you to be licensed."

    They are asking for the activation key, not a license.  You need activation keys.  As stated a couple times, you need to talk with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist so you can understand licensing better.  Or, if you prefer to read, here are good documents - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/product-licensing/virtualization.aspx and https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/learn-more/brief-windows-server-virtualization.aspx  The second is for 2012 R2, but it remains pretty much the same for 2016 - the only difference is that Microsoft moved to a physical processor count for licensing in 2016.

    Activation keys are completely separate from the license.  Of course, you don't want to hand out your keys to anyone else, as that can cause piracy.  You should be able to get activation keys from the reseller from whom you purchased your 2016 license or by contacting Microsoft.  Nobody in this forum can help in any other way besides directing you to those resources.

    There is a bit of a difference for virtual machines that are running client operating systems.  Those are generally licensed through a different agreement.  The virtualization rights that come with the Windows Server operating system does not cover client operating systems.  Again, talk to a trained Microsoft licensing specialist.  Remember that a license is a legal agreement between you and Microsoft.  This is a technical forum, not a legal forum.  Responses provided here are opinions, not legal advice.  Your lawyers and auditors will appreciate the fact that you talked with a trained Microsoft licensing specialist should you ever get audited.


    . : | : . : | : . tim

    Tim,

    I'm sorry, but you got me wrong.

    Or the translation of English did not help me.

    Yes, I need the activation keys and in no way am I asking you for the keys.

    My question though is not technical, but it is relevant to the forum, since licensing is a matter that concerns us and we need to understand. We technicians!

    If people have no knowledge, so do I, perfect. I do not see any problem.

    I thought someone could clarify the "concept" of licensing and activating windows.

    As I bought the Windows 2016 licensing I have the activation keys. I already have the activation keys for 2016, 2012 and 2008 R2.

    My question was whether my VMs are 2008 (Not R2), whether Microsoft has a responsibility to provide me with the activation keys or not.

    I believe that the supply of the keys, yes or no, must be related to the support period (product lifetime).

    I will contact Microsoft support again to try to get the licenses for Windows 2008 (Not R2).

    Thanks for the help and you will not have to repeat it again. Do not worry!

    See you.
    Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:27 AM
  • Where you able to resolve this issue?  If these are volume licenses I would recommend contacting the Volume License Service Center https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/Help/Contact.aspx or if they where purchased through a partner I would recommend contacting the partner.

    -Taylor

    • Marked as answer by Sandrix Helps Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 PM
    Monday, November 21, 2016 11:53 PM