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Impact of exceeding the 100 DP's per site recommendation? RRS feed

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  • Andozane... just curious.  You suspect you need several hundred DPs.

    Have you looked at the "alternate content providers" instead of DPs yet?  By that I mean Adaptiva's OneSite ( http://www.adaptiva.com/products_onesite.html ) or 1e's Nomad ( http://www.1e.com/software/nomad-enterprise/ )

    True, they are 3rd-party addons to ConfigMgr, and therefore will cost $.  But how much $ is those 100+ DPs costing you now in hardware, OS, and time?

    Just as a side note; we support 300,000+ clients... with 16 DPs.  Period.  Those clients are all over the place.


    Standardize. Simplify. Automate.
    Monday, August 8, 2011 5:29 PM
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  • I'd go for the secondaries. If you already have a server OS there, there is no real additional overhead or cost (except disk space)  and this will allow you to add (proxy) MPs. 1,400 is alot of secondaries) but is not unheard of.

    Actually, if given a choice I would go with OneSite or Nomad as Sherry suggested.


    Jason | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jsandys | Twitter @JasonSandys
    Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:18 AM
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  • Insanity maybe. :-)

    Why use so many DP's? too much headache.


    John Marcum | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jmarcum/|
    Monday, August 8, 2011 4:08 PM
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  • Andozane... just curious.  You suspect you need several hundred DPs.

    Have you looked at the "alternate content providers" instead of DPs yet?  By that I mean Adaptiva's OneSite ( http://www.adaptiva.com/products_onesite.html ) or 1e's Nomad ( http://www.1e.com/software/nomad-enterprise/ )

    True, they are 3rd-party addons to ConfigMgr, and therefore will cost $.  But how much $ is those 100+ DPs costing you now in hardware, OS, and time?

    Just as a side note; we support 300,000+ clients... with 16 DPs.  Period.  Those clients are all over the place.


    Standardize. Simplify. Automate.
    Monday, August 8, 2011 5:29 PM
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  • Scenario:

     

    Current Picture:  Single Site Server, one Main HQ office, ~700 Office Locations with T1 connectivity.  Each satellite office has 5-10 computers.  Each office has a local file server as well for hosting a DP and other company software and local DB's.

    In the next 5 years, we will be doubling the number of offices...

    Right now we are faced with slow response time from clients.  I'm already assuming that our only 1 MP is over burdened, but I'm wondering what overhead all the DP's is causing (700+, one site).

    Monday, August 8, 2011 6:27 PM
  • there are multiple approaches in your case.

    you could:

    • setup more primaries in HQ
    • loadbalance the MP (NLB)
    • setup secondaries to throttle the communication
    • use branch cache for you remote locations

    Really this isn't easy to answer.

    You should start here http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb693570.aspx if you haven't done that already.

    The IPD Guide might also be of use for you:

    http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=732

    Branch Cache:

    http://blogs.technet.com/b/inside_osd/archive/2010/05/27/branchcache-and-operating-system-deployment.aspx

    I would personally start loadbalncing the MP and setting up some secondaries to see if that changes the slow response times in any way.

    However, if you are going to have 1400 remote locations I'm not sure if that would work with just one primary at the HQ. Setting up a central might also be a good idea.


    Miguel Rodriguez
    Monday, August 8, 2011 6:45 PM
  • I'd go for the secondaries. If you already have a server OS there, there is no real additional overhead or cost (except disk space)  and this will allow you to add (proxy) MPs. 1,400 is alot of secondaries) but is not unheard of.

    Actually, if given a choice I would go with OneSite or Nomad as Sherry suggested.


    Jason | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jsandys | Twitter @JasonSandys
    Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:18 AM
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  • There is ABSOLUTELY no way in this World I would create DP's on all those servers. I'd get OneSite or Nomad as a first choice, second choice secondary sites. Another option get Windows 7 on all the machines and use branch cache. for 5-10 computers per location you are going to work yourself to death having servers in all those locations.

     


    John Marcum | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jmarcum/|
    Tuesday, August 9, 2011 1:26 PM
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  • I have not researched products like Nomad or OneSite...thank you for that pointer.  Without calling those companies and getting on very persistent sales people's call lists, does anyone here use those products?

    I have entered this structure as the new guy, so it is definitely a staggering setup.  I did wonder when I first started why no Secondary Site Server's as DP's for control, but again, they have just the ONE SMS Site server with SQL on it (which is an underpowered box, but that is a different story).  Seperate servers for MP and WSUS.  The structure requires right now a server at each office for other business needs, and we are just piggy backing DP's onto each server.

    Am I correct in thinking that Nomad and OneSite both function like windows 7 Branch Caching? Or dare I say torrent like traffic to share between sites?

    Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:17 PM
  • I tried to do that in my blog but it's not the complete one :)

    http://anoopmannur.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/configmgr-sccm-adaptiva-onesite-vs-1e-nomad/


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    Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:21 PM
  • I have dealt with both of those companies and they are both good about not harrasing you to death with sales calls. I do know one of the two is WAY cheaper than the other one but I try to stay out of conversation nowadays. You'll just have to find out for yourself. Make sure you tell them both you are getting competing quotes, that will get you the best price.

     

     


    John Marcum | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jmarcum/|
    Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:21 PM
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  • Anoop. I'm glad to see you've edited that blog. What you've presented there is much more professional and informative that the original post. Hats off to you.

     

     


    John Marcum | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jmarcum/|
    Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:24 PM
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  • NOT a sales guy, and wont pester or nag you, Andozane... I'm a pre-sales Solutions Engineer from 1E. I'm happy to answer any of your technical questions about our Nomad Enterprise solution, details of which are here:

    http://www.1e.com/software/nomad-enterprise/. Also on this page you will see video testimonials from our customers.

     

    A fully featured 30-day eval is available here: http://www.1e.com/downloads/evaluation-software/ 

     

    One thing not mentioned in this thread thus far around the added overhead (or percieved lack of) by keeping the servers, making secondary sites, and retaining DP's: There is a lot of time/effort needed to "manage"your content getting it onto all those DPs in the first place, updating source versions (and managing those updates) and so on. It is not a trivial exercise. We developed some real world metrics around just HOW MUCH time/effort is in fact necessary to handle this Admin workload.

     

    Feel free to contact me if interested in learning more TECHNICAL details.

     

    Ed.Aldrich@1e.com

    401.924.2293

    (Now to go figure out how to make my FONT size larger in here!!!)


    Ed Aldrich | 1E Solutions Engineer
    Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:45 PM
  • Anoop. I'm glad to see you've edited that blog. What you've presented there is much more professional and informative that the original post. Hats off to you.

     

     


    John Marcum | http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/jmarcum/|

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    Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:20 PM
  • Hi All,
    Thanks for suggesting Adaptiva OneSite.
    In addition to cost savings, OneSite can help you achieve a very elastic architecture that allows you to add new offices freely. Whenever new locations are added, simply roll out SCCM and Adaptiva OneSite clients, and assign them to your one SCCM site.
    Please also remember, Adaptiva OneSite does much more than just eliminating DPs - OneSite will also manage your bandwidth usage for policy, hardware inventory, software inventory, software metering, and status messages.
    OneSite also has a "Peer to Peer PXE" feature will allow your OneSite clients to PXE boot your bare metal machines for OSD using SCCM task sequences.
    For Andozane, assuming between 10k to 25k clients, I'd suggest using OneSite to accomplish the following topology:
    -- Only one SCCM Site, no child primary or secondary sites at all
    -- Adaptiva Server running on the same box as your SCCM primary site server
    -- Only one Distribution Point, running on your MP or WSUS box, whichever has more disk space
    -- No PXE service points
    Over time, you could consider:
    -- Migrating the SCCM primary site server to a beefier box, which also hosts the SQL server / site database
    -- Retiring the MP and WSUS boxes, and moving those roles to the SCCM porimary site server
    Please let me know if I can be of help, through this forum, or offline.
    thanks,
    Deepak Kumar,
    Chief Technology Officer, Adaptiva.
    Seattle, WA. Tel: 425-823-4500.
    Three Amazing SCCM Add-ons: Green Planet, Adaptiva Client Health, Adaptiva One Site


    Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:57 PM