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Will sata drivers be integrated in xpsp3? RRS feed

  • Question

  • Currently we need to press F6 to load sata driver from floppy disk during the installation, but most machines don't have floppy disk now.

    Another choice it set sata disk mode to IDE compatible in bios before installation and set it back to sata afterword. It is a little bit inconvenient and many machines don't have such choice in bios setting.

    I just look forward to that sata drivers will be integrated in xpsp3 drivers cab.
    Friday, March 14, 2008 5:07 AM

Answers

  • No new drivers are being integrated with XP SP3. The drivers available with SP2 would continue to be present.

     

    Friday, March 14, 2008 12:44 PM

All replies

  • No new drivers are being integrated with XP SP3. The drivers available with SP2 would continue to be present.

     

    Friday, March 14, 2008 12:44 PM
  • If you don't know about these options already, nLite can integrate your SATA drivers into your Windows 2000/XP/2003 CD.

     

    You can also use DriverPacks to do that.

    Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:30 AM
  • where is the problem ???

     

    the sata driver from F6 is only needed to install windows first time on unformatted harddisk.

    yes, i had the same problem, but if your harddisk is already formatted then you dont require this.

     

    my two harddisk is already formatted with ntfs filesystem and when i re-install windows xp

    from original windows media i dont need to press F6.

     

    it automatically detect my sata harddisk.

     

     

    regards ismail

    Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:43 AM
  • On any of the six systems of my own, one that just uses SATA and the other five use SATA RAID, none of them are recognized from the XP installation CD unless I either press F6 and load the drivers off of floppy, or integrate the drivers with either nLite or DriverPacks.  This is the case even on reinstallations even though the hard drives are already formatted.  I've reinstalled these systems many, many times and each time I need to load the driver.

     

    Not denying that it works the way it did for you, but I think that must be some kind of exception and not the rule.

    Monday, March 17, 2008 6:07 AM
  • Drivers are only needed for older motherboards that had separate SATA controller chips, or for those using an addon controller card. For motherboards that have native SATA support in the chipset no driver is needed since it's transparent to the OS, and all chipsets from the last few years have support built in. As far as the disk being formatted or not, I don't believe that has anything to do with it. Best thing to do if you need the drivers would be to integrate them into your install CD.
    Monday, March 17, 2008 6:57 AM
  • Skyfrog:

     

    Just to make things clear:

    What people are asking for is genereic support for the feature in SATA drives called AHCI (*).

    AHCI is implementet in more and more new motherboards and complete systems.

    A lot of these pc's an laptops do not give the option to use "normal mode" - the mode, you correctly state, does not care if it is an Parallel-ATA of Serial-ATA drive.

    AHCI support is NOT included in Windows XP. Windows reports "no harddrives found" on AHCI machines,

    ( Normal (S)ATA is of course included in a generic driver, that works with all major  chipsets. )

     

    The reason why people are crying out for this beeing a part of SP3 is simple:

    When installing XP, controller drivers that are not included, must be inserted via the F6 prompt.

    This requires an actual floppy drive or BIOS ability to emulate a USB stick as floppy.

    The first is not present in most PC's - and definetly not in laptops - today.

    The latter requires quite some knowledge, and a BIOS willing to cooperate.

     

    The people who are most affected by this problem are ( since they can legally install an existing license on a new PC ):

    People who payed full price for a Retail Windows XP - and Business customers.

     

    MS has however stated that no new drivers will be included in SP3 - period.

    But MS has been persuaded to include High Definition Audio support ( a separate update in SP2 ).

    I personally am very thankfull for that.

    MS has still not replied on the question, wether it would be easy for them to rewrite the current Windows Vista driver.

     

    * AHCI is the official implementation of new features in SATA drives including support for native command queing (NCQ).

    NCQ allows the harddrive to rearrange read and write commands to reduce the amount of time and head movements needed to read the requested files.

    AHCI requires a separate driver, just like separate SATA chips, RAID controllers etc.

     

     

    Lars Kruse

    I'm not a complete idiot - several parts are missing

     

    Monday, March 17, 2008 9:23 AM
  • @Shashank & MS:

     

    The above post states the issue(s) clearly.....they are a real problem with today's machines.

     

    Please reconsider including these drivers    or providing a separately integratable drivers component that can be slipstreamed into an updated XP SP3 source...

    Monday, March 17, 2008 2:52 PM
  • I've been using nLite and DriverPacks to integrate all sorts of drivers into Windows 2000/XP/2003 CDs for two years and they both work great.  I'm telling you, they make doing what you're asking for so easy, you don't need another solution.

     

    I don't think there's any chance that you're going to convince them to add drivers to SP3.

    Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM
  • well edor.................

     

    WHAT YOU AND I CAN DO IS NOT THE POINT !!

    I use nlite regularly..... But even some of my colleagues have no clue on how to use nlite.

    The average user - with only one downed PC - has no chance either.

    The knowlegable helper, who came to assist, must know about nlite and have an image prepared.

    Not something you can expect to happen.

    The chance that he can get his hands on a SP3 CD is better.

     

    But MOST importantly - images created with Nlite are not supported by MS.

     

    Thats why we want MS to include it.

     

    Best Regards

     

    Lars Kruse

     

    Monday, March 17, 2008 5:35 PM
  •  

    So rude and hostile, you don't have to yell.

     

    You don't address DriverPacks that I mentioned.  If all one needs is updated drivers of one kind or another, I would certainly point someone to DriverPacks before nLite.  nLite has so much more capability which is why I mentioned both.

     

    Secondly, the "average user" has absolutely no idea how to install Windows, what's involved, what's going to happen because of it, what they need to do so or what preparations they should make before attempting it.

     

    I build, update and repair people's computers for a living, and no average user I've ever met has ever attempted to install Windows themselves; which makes sense since they are not a technie like me, but a user.  None of them even want to know how to install Windows, and believe me I have no interest in keeping the secrets of installing Windows shrouded in mystery.  I am actually the opposite and have learned the hard way to hold back the information that I find my customers don't even want, but if they are sincerely interested and have questions, then I answer them to the appropriate extent depending on the person.  A couple of my customers have asked me slightly more advanced questions, but still not approaching wanting to know how to install Windows themselves.

     

    According to what's been said before your post, they are actually concerned with just SATA drivers, but not updated RAID drivers of any sort.  I use and encourage RAID in all systems I build.  No matter what MS included, there would continue to be current and future chipsets which SP3 would not include drivers for.  This was not the intention of SP3 in the first place, and you're talking about a more than six year old OS; albeit the most popular and rightly so Windows ever.

     

    Whether we hate Vista more than like it, we have to temper what we would like with reality.

     

    Third, I and many other techies I associate with have never been concerned whether MS supports nLited images or not.  My customers always come to me first and I'm happy to help them.  And through my use of nLite I am able to put far superior and resilient installations of Windows on my customer's systems.  My aim has always been to make computers as self-sustaining as possible, so that the customer gets the best performance without having to concern themselves with the details.

     

    I hope this wasn't too longwinded  but I felt it was neccessary.

     

    Peace, Lars.

    Monday, March 17, 2008 6:30 PM
  • Sorry 'bout the outburst.

    I have a tendency to bee hotheaded.

     

    The reason i was so negative is that i read your input as counter-productive to "the cause".

    The request for this driver support is widespread.

     

    I must stress that AHCI is not a RAID driver, nor is it some special feature on a few motherboards.

    It is the replacement for standard IDE /ATAPI (including "normal" SATA ) on mainstream motherboards and mainstream systems from HP, Lenovo etc.

    The driver is included i Windows Vista.

    What we ask for is an equivalent to the "standard dual channel PCI IDE controller" - ATAPI.SYS.

    ATAPI.SYS works with just about every chipset and many - if not most -  separate IDE or SATA chips.

    It allows you to boot an gived basic functionallty in windows without hardware specific drivers.

     

    I apologise for the lecture if you allready know this - was not sure, reading your post

     

    Peace :-)

     

    lars

     

     

     

     

     

    Monday, March 17, 2008 8:00 PM
  • Hehehe...it's cool, I understand and I appreciate your reply.

     

    Take care,

     

    Kevin

    Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:09 AM
  • One question: is SATA drivers if integrated in windows XP SP3 (using nLite) will work with all chipsets or there is specific driver for each one?

    Monday, July 7, 2008 9:56 AM
  •  JALAL2008 wrote:

    One question: is SATA drivers if integrated in windows XP SP3 (using nLite) will work with all chipsets or there is specific driver for each one?



    Each manufacturer and even different chipsets of the same manufacturer has different drivers for SATA and RAID.
    Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:49 AM
  • XP SP3 setup unfortunately does not integrate a generic AHCI driver to allow installation on a SATA drive set up to run in native mode.  Without such a driver manufacturer specific drivers have to be supplied with F6 and floppy method, or integrated manually onto the installtion CD.  Without the driver present the setup will either report no drives present or bluescreen.  If the SATA controller is setup in IDE mode in BIOS, installation is possible buit changing the controller back to AHCI mode will require a reboot which will result in a bluescreen.  A repair installation CD with integrated AHCI drivers will work to fix it.
    Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:31 PM
  • Dear Lars and Kevin:

        Although this tread appears to be somewhat old, I felt very much encouraged to add my two cents to it. Actually, my post is more of a "thank you" sort, than of a collaborative sort - I couldn't ever surpass or even equal both your contributions.

        As I said before, this post is to thank you gentlemen, for pointing me the right direction to go, in order to solve the SATA problem in my machine. Here's a quick spec of it:
        - ABIT NF7-S rev. 2 Motherboard (with two SATA ports + two ATAPI IDE 133 ports);
        - AMD Athlon XP 2800+ processor;
        - 1 GB RAM (very soon to be 2.5GB...);
        - 120GB storage, split into 2 separate HDs (formerly); 500GB storage, in a SATA HD (currently, thanks to both of you, gentlemen);
        - XFX video card - 256MB video memory, Nvidia chipset;
        - Windows 2000 Professional.

        So anyways, the story is that since 1996 I've always built and upgraded my own machines, dealing with all the hassles, mishaps and frustrations myself. Prior to that, I learned the basics by having worked as a hardware technician for over 3 years. I can safely say I usually know my way around. But even with my hands-on experience, this SATA issue really gave me the most headaches I can remember of. Simply unbelievably frustrating.

        As you can both already tell, I recently decided to upgrade my machine by adding a Maxtor STM3500320AS SATA storage and more RAM. So the SATA HD arrived 3 days ago, and getting past the "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE" BSOD was my nightmare for the last 3 days...

        My problem was slightly different than the average, as a Google search turned out, since most solutions pointed to 'adding the SATA drivers by hitting F6 key" during the XP installation procedure. My problem was, I already had a running installation (migrated from the old ATA disks to the SATA unit via Norton Ghost) and I had no intention whatsoever to start it all over again with a fresh Windows install, just because of this SATA issue - in my opinion, this would be ridiculous.

        So I decided to venture into this F6 solution anyways, only by slightly changing the proccess - I went all the way by booting with the W2K Setup CD and hitting F6, but instead of reinstalling (F3), I tried the repair option, which to my luck (and Thank God Almighty), proved to be successful for me. As I presumed, the repair option copied the driver files, previously loaded from my motherboard manufacturer's floppy, to my current installation, thus enabling it to "see" my SATA drive. What a fluke!!

        So anyways, thank you gentlemen for giving me the necessary pointers. And I might add, reading through your discussion was a delight to me as well.


    Sincerely,
    Werner Moecke

    Micro$oft Motto: "Where do we want you to go today?"
    Saturday, December 27, 2008 3:12 AM
  • I have a new 1t seagate sata. I want to install xp, sp2 on that drive, which is already formatted as a primary boot and has lots of files on it. I'm going to use it as a dual boot with my vista drive, which I disconnected to isntall this new one. What files do I need for the f6 to work and not get the blue screen?

    Thanks

    Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:13 AM