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  • Question

  • When installing SP1 for Vista it will remove GPMC. Currently i control PCs running Vista using group policy maintained by a Vista PC with GPMC installed.....meaning installing SP1 i would have no control over my GPOs

    I was told that there will be a new version of GPMC to be released which will overcome this problem (or i have to use a PC which does not have SP1 to control GP), is this available? if not when would it be available or what would be the recommended approach to control existing GP if SP1 does remove GPMC (hopefully not using a PC that does not have SP1 installed)

    Thanks
    Monday, February 4, 2008 5:07 PM

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  • I too am wondering if MS will ship a separate installation. I need GPMC for Vista SP1. (and it was available in the RC0 build)

     

    - Matt

     

    Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:04 PM
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    I sure hope they do....and soon.  I just installed SP1 RTM and GPMC is gone and you cannot install the old version.  Too bad Microsoft can't get their tool releases lined up with the SP release.
    Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:37 PM
  • OK - I have a workaround for anyone who needs to use GPMC with Vista SP1 today!

     

    • Go to http://www.svsdownloads.com/download_svs.php and download Altiris SVS.  It is free for personal use.  For those who are not familiar with SVS it is a Softare Virtualizion Solution from Altiris.  Additional information available at www.juice.altiris.com.
    • Install SVS on a Windows XP machine that does not have GPMC installed
    • Use SVS to create a virtual installation/version of GPMC.msi
      • File - Create New Layer - Install Application
      • Browse to GPMC.msi
        • After the installation/capture is complete
          • Deactivate and then Export the GPMC.vsa
    • Install SVS on your Vista SP1 computer (SVS cannot be installed with UAC enabled)
      • Disable UAC - Reboot
      • Install SVS
      • Enable UAC - Reboot
    • Utilizing the SVS Admin Console - Import the GPMC.vsa
    • Right-click the GPMC.vsa (after the import has completed) and select "Activate Layer"
    • If you want GPMC to be always available - right-click and select "Start Layer Automatically"
    • Close the SVS Admin Console
    • START - Run - GPMC.MSC - (get past the UAC prompts & you are now in business!)

    I have used this method for several apps that are not Vista compatible and it has worked every time.

    Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:23 PM
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    Microsoft probably didn't think about it, since all THEIR servers are running Win2k8 except for one lone machine.  Sucks that your only options right now are to rollback SP1 or install Win2k8 somewhere to administer your Vista GPOs.

     

    I did the latter @ work.  I just rebuilt my WSUS server under Win2k8 and it seems to work fine.  Still would be a lot nicer to open the mmc locally however, but I've gotten more used to remoting into random servers to administrate stuff since a number of Win2k3 admin tools don't run well under vista (such as the DHCP snap-in) or at all, such as the exchange mangement tools. 

     

    Management tools just don't run under vista that well -- I have no idea why microsoft has decided to be so short sighted.  In smaller environments, I'm sure this is fine, but with only two remote consoles available per server, I'm not sure that scales well.  I might be remoting into a file server to do stuff totally unrelated to the file server, which in turn may prevent people from logging in to do file server related tasks.  Microsoft needs to get their act together.

     

    Sunday, March 2, 2008 8:45 PM
  • The posts above have been helpful!  I too and completely amazed at how unfriendly Windows Vista is for Network Administrators.  While SP1 finally allowed me to launch Active Directory Users & Computers with some reliability, I still can't manage my Exchange 2003 environment.  We have no plans to move to 2007 any time soon due to the hardware requirements.  What a shame that we have invested so much in hardware and applications and we are forced to comply with new technology standards, yet Microsoft can't even keep current with their own standards.  GPMC is yet another thing to add to the list!

     

    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:48 PM
  • All -

     

    Microsoft came through for IT administrators.

     

    They recently released RSAT (Remote Server Administration Tools) for Windows Vista SP1.

     

    RSAT adds GPMC back in along with DHCP and DNS! (woot!)

     

    - Matt

    • Proposed as answer by Brian Borg Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:31 AM
    Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:57 PM
  • I tried downloading and installing this RSAT update to my system and it goes through the entire install, however, no MMC snap-ins get created. 

    Could this be because I previously had the 2003 Server SP1 adminpak installed?  When I installed this on my box, it didn't work after the install...I had to manually register each of the snap-ins dll files. 

    I tried uninstalling the update along with uninstalling the 2003 SP1 adminpack and reinstalling the RSAT update with no luck.  Do I have to manually go in and unregister the dlls that the adminpack registered? 

    Is anyone else having a similar issue?

     

    Friday, March 28, 2008 12:10 PM
  • I was initally confused about this too!

     

    After installation, you need to visit "programs and features" and "turn windows features on and off". It shows up as a checkbox.

     

    Thanks,

    - Matt

    Friday, March 28, 2008 12:26 PM
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    Thank you!!!!   Thats the info that was missing from every article i read.  Thank you again. Tom
    Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:14 PM
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    Thank you

     

    This forum seems to be the sole talisman to date for correctly describing how to add the GPMC back into Vista SP1.  Even if you search on microsoft.com for "GPMC Vista" you only get pointed to install the ancient Windows 2003 GPMC tools.

    Monday, April 7, 2008 3:35 PM
  • You guys are legends.

    THANK-YOU

    Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:20 AM
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    Many thanks for this, this works a treat. 

    Why is this not mentioned anywhere else on the web?

     

     

    Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:12 AM
  • I have tried the new RSAT tools with no luck.

     

    "The update does not apply to your system"

     

    This is on a freshly built Vista Business machine with sp1 integrated, connected to a 2003 R2 sp2 DC. 

    Friday, July 4, 2008 9:24 AM
  • Not sure if this happened to anyone else, but I found that I had to actually do an uninstall of the 2003 administrative tools before the "Remote Server Administration Tools" showed up in the Programs and Features.  I kept receiving the "Update doesn't apply to your system" as previously mentioned, because I must have installed it previously and forgot.  Other than that this forum was of great help.

     

    Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:18 PM
  • Now I have got my name back that I have had for approx 20 years, "Skyhawk ©®" I have tried to add in many ways the GPMC snap in for Vista, and to be truthfull I am going back to XP,!!!!! I have got better things to do than pratt about trying to get Microsoft products to work with Microsoft products, this is a joke, they want you to upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, but they dont realise that with 15 servers running 24/7 its not that flipping easy, as a Network & Systems Manager I wan't to be able to manage my network from my desk, not from the server room and not by remote desktop everytime, come on Microsoft get it sorted out...........

     

    cheers

     

    Andy (Skyhawk)

     

     

    Friday, August 15, 2008 7:57 AM
  • totally agree !!

     

    I've spent the best part of day trying to get 22 new admin Vista Business machines to do what I could very easily get XP to do!

    We don't have time to be messing around like this.. time is money and my client expects results. I don't want to have to roll out SP1 only to find that I can no longer manage the Vista policy from the client as we don't have the luxury of running 2008. It's not on to find out that it uninstalls the GPMC to then have to trawl for solutions to get this back in again.

     

    Seriously frustrating, and all it does is to continue to damage the perseption of the products, which lately....I'm growing tired of defending.

     

    Start thinking about the people on the ground!

     

    Friday, September 26, 2008 2:49 PM
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    Please clarify, the RSAT package will provide the GPMC tool to the Vista SP1 Business desktop.  Have you tried installing the RSAT package yet?

     

    Although the download links were provided in an earlier post on this thread here's the associated article including "known issues" information:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941314

     

    Furthermore to ease the pain, if you were deploying 22 new machines you could leverage the very nice new image based Vista deployment tools so that it all worked right out of the box on startup.

    Friday, September 26, 2008 4:36 PM
  • Hi All,

    well i went back to XP Pro and within 1-1/2 hours I had XP installed, Admin tools installed and then GPMC and then Exchange snap in installed, now sat in a warm office with a cup of coffee managing Active Directory, well not right at this moments as i am now at home watching TV for a change, I will give Vista a go again, probably on a second machine as i'm fed up of re-building mine.......

     

    have a nice weekend you all..............

     

    all the best

     

     

    Andy

     

    Friday, September 26, 2008 8:10 PM
  • You guys are genius....

    Many thanks for this..............!!!!!!!!!!
    Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:36 PM
  • totally agree !!

     

    I've spent the best part of day trying to get 22 new admin Vista Business machines to do what I could very easily get XP to do!

    We don't have time to be messing around like this.. time is money and my client expects results. I don't want to have to roll out SP1 only to find that I can no longer manage the Vista policy from the client as we don't have the luxury of running 2008. It's not on to find out that it uninstalls the GPMC to then have to trawl for solutions to get this back in again.

     

    Seriously frustrating, and all it does is to continue to damage the perseption of the products, which lately....I'm growing tired of defending.

     

    Start thinking about the people on the ground!

     

    I agree.  I am fighting with the reason why they've done this and made it SO DIFFICULT to get to these critical tools.
    Friday, August 14, 2009 7:01 PM
  • All -
    Microsoft came through for IT administrators.

    They recently released RSAT (Remote Server Administration Tools) for Windows Vista SP1.

    RSAT adds GPMC back in along with DHCP and DNS! (woot!)

    - Matt

    Thanks, Matt.  This was exactly what I was looking for.  Couldn't figure out what to do once GPMC was uninstalled, and couldn't find anything anywhere else about how to get it back.  This was the sole page that had useful advice.

    The tip about needing to turn it on via "Turn Windows Features On and Off" was key, as I would have been wondering how the install failed otherwise.

    Thanks again!
    Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:41 PM
  • The linked knowledge base article is for administering a 2008 server from Vista.  What I want to do is manage Vista from Vista.  Apparantly the recommended way to move the app data directory in Vista seems to be through a group policy setting, which I assume means through the GPMC snap-in.  Am I missing something here?

     

    Ref.  Group policy advice reference:

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverfiles/thread/5ddf86b1-4c8d-44c3-90a8-f0f77938b351

    Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:27 PM
  • Just follow these steps.

     

    http://www.vista123.net/content/installing-gpmc-windows-server-2008-and-windows-vista-service-pack-1


    Good luck!

     

     

    Friday, August 27, 2010 12:11 PM