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  • <Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC (Part 5)>

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

    Thanks

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:36 PM

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  • A few remarks on pinning stuff on the taskbar.

    1) When rightclicking on the icon the closest option is to unpin the icon. (or close window) Now the whole thing about pinning things to the taskbar is that it stays there. The option should be the furthest of all options. Actually preferable it should be an icon in the top right corner. But icons might be tricky for touchscreens. I already have unpinned way too many programs from the taskbar by mistake. Simply because I moved too quickly. Very similar to a problem I always have in clicking on start in the classic menu. Do it too quickly and you are faced with the shutdown menu on screen. 

    2) When pinning a folder into explorer and rightclicking on explorer the pinned folder is the top option. Now there must be a reason for pinning a folder, right. Usually it is because we use it a LOT. But every "frequent" folder will be closer from where your mouse cursor will be when you click. Doesn't seem right. (Unless you guys only thought about pinning that folder to remember the location, because it is important but you almost never need to go there :-)

    3) I know we can open another window with the middle mouse button or shift click but somebody put some limitations in. If you click twice to open up 2 windows for some coping from 1 window to another it won't work. You can only open another window if there are no windows which have libraries as address. So to open up 2 windows we will first have to change the address and then open another. Or open a window to an recent or pinned folder that we don't want to go to. Same behaviour with win+E BTW.

    4)Quickly rightclicking on an icon in the taskbar and moving the mouse up above the taskbar before the list starts fading in will prevent the list from appearing at all. It's like they don't want you to work fast. Could be related to catching accidental mouseclicks ?? (have to investigate)

    Suggestions :

    Make orders adjustable. Being able to drag the items to reorder them would help allot. Same goes for the order of the folder view in explorer btw.

    It would be nice to be able to pin multiple folders (or libraries) to the taskbar. As shortcuts to specialized content. Rightclick on icon and get folder content as result in the window above. This would probably solve a lot of problems that people now have with the new taskbar and startmenu.

    Arjan Sin



    Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
  • 1) Agree it does seem a bit too easy to unpin
    2) Agree.  Maybe the answer is to be able to turn off frequent folders?
    3) Agree.
    4) I've tried lots and I can't replicate this

    I've been able to drag and re-order my pinned items, though dragging a frequent item adds it to the pinned list.

    Further suggestions

    5) I would like to see the ability to right click a pinned item and select "Make this the default" action.  I.e.  clicking the Explorer Task Bar would allow me to change the default folder opened to one of my choosing.  (I know this can be done with a manual tweak).

    This would also help where I have pinned things like Remote Desktop Connection and pinned separate RDP connections to each of my computers, but I'd like to be able to default this icon to the server I RDP into the most.

    6) I've been playing with the taskbar vertically and it works quite well.  It would be really good if there was an option to swap the ends.  E.g. so the START button was at the bottom and the clock at the top, with the ability to choose where the quick launch icons are positioned on the taskbar (e.g. top, center, bottom or left, middle, right if you have it horizontally).
    • Edited by PMFranklin Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:57 PM
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:15 PM
  • So if you press 5x win+E it will open 5 explorer windows ?? (stacked ?)
    If so there is a bug here on my end..

    As for the dragging I was more thinking about dragging frequent above pinned.

    I wish to have these kind of options in explorer's navigation pane too. computer above homegroup for instance.
    (who made the descission that computer is less important than homegroup ??)

    Arjan Sin
    • Edited by Arjan Sinnige Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33 PM addition / make more clear
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:20 PM
  • Apologies.  3 should have read 4!  Edited to reflect that now.
    Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:58 PM
  • Win+E will always open a new instance if none of the old instances are in the default directory. Same with middle-clicking the taskbar icon.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 12:05 AM
  • Ironically, every problem you have with pinned items are fine for me because I have my taskbar on the top of my screen. :P Pinned folders/files/shortcuts are closer to the task, unpin and close window are on the bottom... Very useful.

    I'm not trying to invalidate, I'm tryign to make a point: If Microsoft does take some of Arjan's ideas into account, you have to remember some of us keep our taskbar on the top of the screen. Be very considerate of this.
    Friday, January 16, 2009 12:51 AM



  • ZetaZeta said:

    Ironically, every problem you have with pinned items are fine for me because I have my taskbar on the top of my screen. :P Pinned folders/files/shortcuts are closer to the task, unpin and close window are on the bottom... Very useful.


    I'm not trying to invalidate, I'm tryign to make a point: If Microsoft does take some of Arjan's ideas into account, you have to remember some of us keep our taskbar on the top of the screen. Be very considerate of this.



     That is why being able to organise them yourself would be best !

    Akame-san said:

    Win+E will always open a new instance if none of the old instances are in the default directory. Same with middle-clicking the taskbar icon.

    Which I think is kind of condecending. Who are they to say I cannot open another instance ?

    Arjan sin

    Friday, January 16, 2009 8:46 AM
  • See inline

    - Users want back advanced file type functionality back. I can't create secondary user actions/set default action, customize file *type* icon, MIME type, can't even delete defined file types, can't show or hide extension for only particular file types.

    Absolutely. However  it doesn't need to be visible to the average user. Moving it to the Contol Panel would be better imho than having it under folder options as it was before.

    - Standard actions like Cut/Copy/Paste/Delete require more than 2 clicks for mouse users (Organize menu instead of toolbar) - I thought menus

    Rightclick cut/copy/paste/delete only two clicks.

    - Column handlers in Explorer can't display custom information from shell extensions because IColumnProvider is deprecated. WTF! IColumnProvider should be supported in Windows 7.

    Deprecated doesn't mean that it doesn't work but that it is no longer recommended, probably because there now is another way to achieve the same that are considered as better.

    - Size of all files in a folder is not shown without selection.

    That certainly is a nuisance.

    - Simple right click actions now require keyboard+mouse usage that is, Shift+right click

    Which rightclick actions?

    - Left/navigation pane doesn't automatically scroll horizontally for longer folder names like Vista, there's no horizontal scrollbar either for manual scrolling

    Hover over or select the folder.


    Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:05 PM
  • "Rightclick cut/copy/paste/delete only two clicks." Yeah but I don't want to right click. Is that asking for too much? Why do I have Burn for every file and Share even when I DON'T HAVE A NETWORK!! and empty space to the right? Why change the UI without giving users choice after they're accustomed to doing things in a particular manner from Windows 95 to Windows XP?

    "Deprecated doesn't mean that it doesn't work but that it is no longer recommended, probably because there now is another way to achieve the same that are considered as better."

    That's what I thought it means but MSDN lists it as deprecated but the functionality has been pulled from Vista and later. So all column handler extensions break, with no replacement. Microsoft recommends using the Property System but it enumerates properties out of the process asynchronously using *Windows Search*?, rather than using shell-item specific IColumnProviders, moreover it doesn't have a way to display dynamically changing information, only metadata. What's the developer to do now?

    "Simple right click actions now require keyboard+mouse usage that is, Shift+right click"
    Showing context menu on taskbar (since jumplist doesn't have Minimize, Maximize) requires shift+right click, switching to last used window when taskbar buttons are grouped requires Ctrl+click, Copy as Path, Open cmd prompt, getting additional options in Send To in Explorer all require right click+shift.

    "Hover over or select the folder."
    That's not the point. If I browse a long path in the left pane which users usually keep narrow, it doesn't scroll automatically horizontally like Vista and there isn't a scrollbar to manually scroll either.
    Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:41 AM
  • Actually there is an undocumented reg DWORD value called "ExtendedUIHoverTime" at HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced. Modify its value in decimals where 1000=1 sec. If you set it long enough (e.g.20000/20 seconds), taskbar thumbnails are effectively disabled. Try it.

    Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:30 AM
  • 1.  The Properties button on the Standard toolbar is now located 1 more click deeper - inside the Organize menu. In Windows XP, Properties button was always available at one click.
    2.  Alt+Enter since it doesn't work in the navigation/left pane (at least in RC, don't know about RTM Escrow builds) makes viewing Properties more difficult. In Windows XP, Alt+Enter worked reliably in any pane.
    3.  Total size of files in a folder minus subfolders was shown on the status bar in Windows XP. In Windows Vista and Windows 7, that is no longer shown.
    4.  Free disk space was shown on the status bar till Windows Vista, in Windows 7 that is no longer shown.
    5.  Size of a file was at least shown on the status bar and details pane (in Windows Vista too!) upon selecting the file. It is no longer shown on the status bar even after selecting it. It is only shown on the details pane.
    6.  Selecting more than 15 files in Windows Vista shows the total size of selected items without requiring users to click "Show more details". In Windows 7, size information is unnecessarily hidden under "Show more details". Moreoever, even if selection changes by one file after 15+ files, it requires clicking Show more details again.
    7.  IColumnProvider being gone since Vista makes it impossible for shell extensions to display folder size in a column.
    8.  With the general size of all folders increasing since Windows Vista compared to Windows XP, folder tooltips don't/can't show the complete size if the folder is significantly larger and hence only show xx MB+ as size in the hover tooltip.
    9.  In Details view, size is shown in KB instead of the more useful and proportional MB for files larger than 1024 KB. E.g. 20480 KB instead of 20 MB or 123456 KB instead of 120 MB.
    10. The status bar now only shows number of items, absolutely no other information.
    11. In Recycle Bin, viewing how much space I will gain after an Empty Recycle Bin operation is not possible beginning with Vista because even Properties doesn't work for multiple selected items (the menu item is there but nothing happens). I have to manually add up sizes shown in the details view size column to calculate how much free space I'll gain after deleting Recycle Bin files.

    Since such a basic thing as viewing file and folder sizes is so difficult in Windows 7, I feel Microsoft should fix it as an emergency issue before RTM or accept our demand as a design change request via a hotfix and include that in Windows 7 SP1.

    Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:00 PM
  • I can't reproduce the New folder bug every time either, but it usually happens once in a while in a path containing lots of files and folders where after creating the "New folder" if we rename it, Explorer is in a hurry to auto sort it to put it amonst file names alphabetically however if you press Enter immediately after the renaming, it gives an error it can't find the folder. This happens only in Windows 7, never happened in Vista in spite of the auto sorting. Another guy on the E7 blog also reported this. I guess disabling the foolish auto sorting would automatically eliminate this. I don't how to reproduce this but it has happened more than 5 times in the RC. It only happens if you press Enter, doesn't happen if you click outside using the mouse after giving it a name.

    "Free disk space is not quickly accessible except from (My) Computer or drive properties."
    From Windows 95 to Windows Vista, free disk space was always visible in Explorer irrespective of which path you are in on the status bar left bottom corner. This is removed needlessly. Now to view free space, we need to go to drive's properties or (My) Computer.

    "You can't do batch actions on 15+ files from the GUI. The registered verb handler disappears after selecting 15+ files."
    This can be done on applications that add tbeir own context menu shell extension such as WinRAR or hex editors, not for apps that simply register their verbs using the file association API. E.g. if I create a register server (Regsvr32 /s) silent action/verb for DLL, OCX, AX files, or any such custom verb disappears after 15+ files. Or for different file types too this disappears e.g. one DOC file and the other DOC file even though both open in Word. So you can't press Enter to open them both after selecting them. In XP, it gave a warning for lots of files that doing an operation on so many items could slow it down, Vista onwards, it's not allowed at all. However since it depends on how fast the registered application loads, the *USER* should be given choice.

    "Common dialogs for Open/Save don't remember their views"
    By "views" I mean the List view, details, large icons, small icons, thumbnails etc. :-) Good however if it also remembers the last-navigated-to path.

    The horizontal Sort bar that appeared for ANY view in Explorer in Vista now only appears for details view.
    XP behavior is same as Windows 7 however in Vista it was a nice enhancement which allowed sorting, stacking etc in any view by clicking the header above.

    Shift+right click is also required on the new taskbar for dozens of actions I did frequently by right clicking on running applications (which showed the context menu-now show the jump list and on Quick Launch shortcuts (to modify their shortcuts, open file location, Run as, Run as admin, Run in compatibility mode etc-which also now show the jump list).

    Friday, June 19, 2009 8:27 AM
  • I've been Running Windows 7 RC now for just a little more than 2 months now and not a peep from anything faster Performance It'ss running way better with a 2.66ghz 2gigs of ran intel p4 system with ati video x1300 running avaliable vista 32 bit drivers and the found audio and rest of the other drivers
    Also 2 320gig western Digital Hard Drives.

    Vista was pretty good but it had alot of occassional Issues. 

    I'm just waiting and hoping the release build of Win 7 Ultimate release runs just as good as the win 7 RC 

    I just hope the activation servers are running this time On my vista upgrade edition it appeared the Upgraded was activated and fine but in 30 days it decided the software was wrong and it un activated it forcing me to call Microsoft support to get new key It was a mess I had a ligit copy of vista upgrade too. 

    I'm hoping there's no repeat in October 22nd when I get windows 7.

    Other than then all systems go here even the Microsoft Security Essentals is running well  

    Posted By Mikro
    Monday, July 13, 2009 9:11 PM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.

    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:08 AM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.


    Thats not the point. The high contrast themes are outdated, why can't there be some mordern style?

    This is the number one reason why people criticize you, you ignore peoples sugestion by sugestion altertives that are not the main point of the idea
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:34 AM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.


    Thats not the point. The high contrast themes are outdated, why can't there be some mordern style?

    This is the number one reason why people criticize you, you ignore peoples sugestion by sugestion altertives that are not the main point of the idea

     

    Hi,

     

    Thank you for your reminder. I also noticed the High Contrast Themes are old style. I will forward your feedback to our internal team. Thank you for your understanding.

     

    Also, we have a Feedback thread available where you can post product suggestions and any other feedback. The Forum Owner will periodically collect these messages and send them directly to the Windows 7 Product Development Teams.

     

    Here is a link to that thread for your convenience.

     

    Have Comments about Windows 7 RC?

     

    Thanks.

     

    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:03 AM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.

    dude you people at microsoft keep giving us answers like this. ANSWER CONSUMER WANTS!!!!!!!!!

    we dont want a windows 2000 theme after going through 2 newer versions of Windows OS's taht have way newer and better graphics. give us the ability to customize colors of not only the windows but the things like the menus and selection rectangles when aero themes are selected too. there is no way you can tell me this is hard. or at very least provide the same contrast themes in aero glass mode.

    people like things that are flashy, shiny, and ultimatley good looking. the windows 2000 theme is dubbed by most to be ugly and completeley unessesary seeing as we have Windows XP themes and Windows vista themes that have finer lines, better colors, and flashy design. And also make the basic theme color customizable too. why is that MS seems to favor ugly blue-grays that are highly watered down and bland. WE the comsumers like more flashy and sharp colors that reflect our opinion NOT YOURS.

    give us what you guys say windows is all about. USER CUSTOMIZATION!!

    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    • Edited by nitrous_74 Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:02 PM
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:29 PM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.

    dude you people at microsoft keep giving us smug answers like this. ANSWER CONSUMER WANTS!!!!!!!!!

    we dont want a windows 2000 theme after going through 2 newer versions of Windows OS's taht have way newer and better graphics. give us the ability to customize colors of not only the windows but the things like the menus and selection rectangles when aero themes are selected too. there is no way you can tell me this is hard. or at very least provide the same contrast themes in aero glass mode.

    people like things that are flashy, shiny, and ultimatley good looking. the windows 2000 theme is dubbed by most to be ugly and completeley unessesary seeing as we have Windows XP themes and Windows vista themes that have finer lines, better colors, and flashy design. And also make the basic theme color customizable too. why is that MS seems to favor ugly blue-grays that are highly watered down and bland. WE  the comsumers like more flashy and sharp colors that reflect our opinion NOT YOURS .

    give us what you guys say windows is all about. USER CUSTOMIZATION!!

    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    nitrous_74

    The main idea here is not to have bunch of flashy graphics, but graphics that are more easier on the eyes.  Darker, more suitable colors do that. I don't want to use a 14 year old theme that looks like ____ with the new explorer and taskbar.

    I don't care if they have light, washed out themes, as people like them, but for those who don't we are stuck with it

    I really think aero needs to be improved for people who have vision problems, and before Robinson Zhang tells me to go in "advanced apearance" and change the sizes and change the glass color, thats not what I want.

    On a related topic, why is there no OPTION to have the glass opaque when maximized?  Keep the new way default, but offer a simple option. its not like we can change it in the regestery, but for a much safer route, offer it in control pannel.
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:47 PM
  • Well, looks like there was no point commenting since beta. I saw almost a hundred of good ideas beeing just ignorated. Don´t feel they are going to listen this late in the game.
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:12 PM
  • UX Guidelines, p811
    "Don't use the following obsolete Help entry point styles. Although they have been used in the past, usability studies have determined that users tend to ignore them. Use links to specific Help topics instead."

    There is an image under the title "Incorrect:" that says "Learn more about add-ons".

    CPL\HomeGroups
    has a link with the string "Tell me more about homegroups" which is too generic.

    CPL\System
    has a link labeled "Learn more online..."

    CPL\System\System properties\Computer name
    has another link labeled "More information"

    UX Guidelines, p812
    Icons
    "Use the help icon only for Explorer windows and the hub pages of control panel items. Don't use the Help icon with Help links."

    CPL\Performance Information and Tools has two links "What do these numbers mean?" and "Tips for improving your computer's performance" that have help icons next to them and another "View and print detailed..." with a printer icon.

    Not necessarily against UX guidelines but CPL\Power options has two links in the sidebar with icons, which are highly unusual.

    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:41 PM
  • I noticed an issue when a remote desktop connection is established to a windows 7 system. After auto update, the system can reboot even if controlled remotely and thus, a regular logout is skipped. After that a login on the actual windows 7 machine results in a black screen (Mouse is still visible). The issue is resolved by loging in again remotely, followed by a proper logout.
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:04 PM
  • i still dont see why we have to use a color theme that was outdated 8 years ago. why cant we have the same contrast themes in aero glass mode? not only that but by default in all previous windows OS's, the color contrast was much better

    i mean the windows XP theme was great. why dont they switch to that as the "classic theme". it had good contrast and waaaaaaay better looks.

    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:54 PM
  • Is there really a point? Win7 is already feature-locked and will be RTM-ed soon.

    And nVidia still fails with Win7 (like it did with Vista) -- NFS: Undercover performance is just horrible (using the very newest Win7 x64 WHQL drivers for 9-series)
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Hi Kristaps

    Yes, there is a point. Microsoft is always interested in what customers think.

    Please continue topost your comments in this thread, even if your requests do not make it into Windows 7, they are still important and could possibly be included in a Service Pack or a future version of Windows.

    Hope this helps.

    Thank You for testing Windows 7

    Ronnie Vernon MVP
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:55 PM
    Moderator
  • Although RTM may have gone already, I want to send you my
    feelings about Windows 7, which I have been running - first
    Beta and now RC. For a long time I have run Linux and dual
    booted to Windows - WinXP Pro and Vista Ultimate.  After
    years of running WinXP Pro and experiencing WinROT and at
    least one necessary reinstall, I tried the Beta of Vista
    Ultimate (on a P4 with 1GB Ram) and was 'Hooked'. I
    installed Vista Ultimate release level (purchased) on a new
    Dual Core Intel processor with 4GB of RAM.

    It installed and ran AOK.  In fact I didn't boot WinXP PRO
    and used Vista Ultimate. I was probably the only NON MS
    person in Seattle saying how great Vista was - even in
    conversation with MS people. Of course dual core and 4GB
    RAM helped. Enough of past (Vista) - but I was perturbed
    that both Basic and Premium didn't support Multi-Processors
    but Business and Ultimate did.  I think a lot of negative
    Vista was people running Home Premium and not getting MP
    support ... I hardly ever run WINXP or Vista ... I like
    Win 7 that much.

    Now my Windows 7 RC comments

    1. Current RC  handles USB attachments inconsistently
    and confusing. I have 3 cameras. Canon Power Shot SD 1100
    IS, Lumix LX2, Nikon D90 and 2 MP3 Players.

    All the cameras are recognized but only the Lumix LX2 can be
    "rejected" both the Nikon D90 and Canon SD 1100 can not be
    rejected or unmounted.  The same applies to the Creative MP3
    player - recognized but can't be rejected.  In all "open"
    closings, I am concerned that the file system hasn't been
    closed and corruption will occur. This hasn't happened
    (corruption) but it's not good that the USB devices can't be
    closed.
     
    2. I needed to print some images on my home printer and was
    looking and not finding the Kodak Program that I used on XP
    and Vista.  I found that selecting Print from Windows Photo
    Disply - WOW gave me all the options that I needed.
    Unfortunately the resulting print on my HP 2500 was shades
    of blue. Luckily I had a Linux program running on my eeepc
    (Gnome Photo Printer) which printed fine - multicolor same
    images, same printer.

    3. I use MS Windows systems including Windows 7 because
    of a "free" program called Dexpot. It provides multiple
    screens much like the Pager in Linux. It enables me to
    separate tasks and leave the main window free. i.e. I keep
    things like a browser session w/twitter, facebook, creating
    DVD, Skype in a separate Dexpot screen.  This is a comment
    but Dexpot might be a tool to be added to Windows 7.

    4. a. I love Windows Ultimate for it's TV capability but was
    not happy to go to Hauppauge for the TV (PC 150) in my
    computer.  Luckily it did work but hope that the PC 150
    support will be in the Win7 release.
     
    b. I installed Windows7 on my Dell P4 (old iron) with 2GB
    Ram and the system installed with a bad resolution on my
    e-machine LCD Display. e-machine people told me that there
    was something wrong with the Dell. Hummph, I used google and
    found that WINXP drivers for the Nvidia GForce 4 card were
    available. I was able to force install the WINXP driver and
    all is fine. Like point a. above, I hope that Gforce 4
    support is built in the Win7 release.

    5. I have WinXP, Vista and Win7 all on one computer. When
    install asks to copy settings - it only looks at Network.
    Please allow install to look on the same computer


    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:14 AM
  • OK then: maybe it would be possible to force usage of the new Open/Save dialog (the one w/ breadcrumbs and mini-mode and stuff), instead of the old annoying one? How's this from a developers'/professionals' view?
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:07 AM
  • All Windows Explorer related issues are basically removals aggregated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_7. I'd begged Microsoft via a dozen different methods since Vista to fix them but to them "it is by design" nothing can be done, they're going with RTM. With the file manager broken and horrible unusable, I simply will be staying with XP.


    They do not even document each and every feature removal of Windows features on MSDN or Technet and do not justify major changes or loss of functionality. It's up to us to discover what's broken or missing.
    Anonymuos

    Wow, thanks for those links. I was aware of most of what was removed but certainly not all. I am not exactly sure WHY MS would remove more features than it adds if it is trying to "improve" on an OS.  However, upto and including Windows XP, their OS was always an improvement. Windows Vista went backwards severly and now I am not sure about Windows 7 because it still is missing ALL of the functionality removed with Vista and then more has been removed as well.

    My biggest problem is the dumbing down as well as the lack of applications. It seems to be in direct opposite of MacIntosh which are adding applications with every new OS. Windows Live is TERRIBLE. I will never use it. Tried the Photo Gallery and it doesn't hold a candle to the Vista Version and neither does Mail. Now I am using Picasa instead.
    lforbes
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:13 AM
  • One comment I have about the interface:

    Whenever you hover your mouse over the Start orb, a nice animation of the Start orb starts highlighting the Windows logo, which I really like. However it would be nice if you could reverse the animation when the Start menu closes , just like it does when you stop hovering the mouse over the Start orb.
    - JoelbX
    • Edited by JoelbX Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:38 AM little more clairification
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:17 AM
  • Is there really a point? Win7 is already feature-locked and will be RTM-ed soon.

    And nVidia still fails with Win7 (like it did with Vista) -- NFS: Undercover performance is just horrible (using the very newest Win7 x64 WHQL drivers for 9-series)
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Hi Kristaps

    Yes, there is a point. Microsoft is always interested in what customers think.

    Please continue topost your comments in this thread, even if your requests do not make it into Windows 7, they are still important and could possibly be included in a Service Pack or a future version of Windows.

    Hope this helps.

    Thank You for testing Windows 7

    Ronnie Vernon MVP

    If they are interested then why aren't they keeping the functionality of XP and including more applications instead of less? I have been pointing out issues since Vista was released in Beta and NONE have ever been addressed in any SP or even Windows 7 and my concerns are a lot of what has been posted here in 6 pages of posts and on wikipedia.

    It is obvious that the developers are living in a world all their own where outside input doesn't get past the door.  If they actually listened then Vista would not have been such a flop.
    lforbes
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:18 AM
  • XP theme also look like ____. Looks like a childs toy. I did like Royale, which was an XP theme, but the colors look a lot better.

    classic needs to be scrapped and a new "pro" theme added, or just use aero or aero with out transparency. oh and remove aero basic.
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:27 AM
  • I have downloaded windows 7 Rc 64bit version.I think they have made some inprovements since vista But there are still a few things that need to be worked out.


    Some complaints: First off I dont know if this is only the rc version or not but the dvd is not bootable to start the instalation of windows. The disk is able to boot windows but not to install it.I had to install a xp 64bit version then install 7.

    The second dislike I have is the shut down button.It shuts down way too easy no confirmation on the shut down and is to easy to click.

    I love media center it is totally awesome.I think sticky notes is gr8 and background screens are great too.One thing is wish they continued from vista was the ability to view all open webpages sideways to you could choose one that was cool.Otherwise The system seems pretty stable.Some drivers dont work right yet but maybe cause they are NOT yet signed by microsoft.

    Thanks for letting me be a tester.Congrats on this new OS and keep up the good work microsoft!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:28 AM
  • Come on microsoft, Why did you remove the "stroke" and "fill" names in paint. Those were a ____ lot easier to remember and understand then "color 1" and "color 2". You might have thought it would be a lot easier to understand, or even "cooler" but its not. I mean, How can we tell what color is the "fill" and what color is for the stoke, or outside lines? Given both color boxes are filled? How can you tell what one goes with outline and what one goes with fill? You have to wait at least a second and a half for the tool tip to pop up to tell you. It should be labeled it so people can know right away. I always have a hard time when making little graphics (basic ones) and it takes me longer to get the graphic right because the labels are not clear enough
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:41 AM
  • Another thing: I really hate this pre-historic monstrocity:



    [background: Save Image; foreground: do I want to overwrite the file (Yes /No )]

    What happened to the nifty prompt you get when copying files with Windows Explorer? The one with thumbnails , metadata and Hit-Esc -to-ShutUp functionality?
    Why is it in Windows Explorer , but isn't in this common dialog (which is kinda a part of Explorer, or shell, or whatever)?

    Come on, this really needs to be fixed, and "overwrite - yes/no" needs to be banished.



    Or, if you want to be really cool and modern, choose this [my preferred] approach:
    1) User clicks "Save ", there is already a file, so
     --- the copying does not happen
     --- there is some kind of a notification (filename background turns yellow or whatever), so the user knows that there already is a file with that name
     --- (optional) that existing file gets selected , so user can see if it's the same or another file [in this example, image]
    2) if the user DOES NOT want to overwrite the file, he changes the name, presses "Save ", and, if there are no files with the new name, saves file, kthxbye.
    3) if the user DOES want to overwrite the file, he simply presses the "Save " button again, file gets overwritten, kthxbye.
    4) if the user does not want to save anything, he presses "Cancel" or Esc. = standard behavior.

    This is easy to implement (even I could code this myself in Visual Studio), and IMHO very understandable (put a non-obtrusive , unclickable , unfocusable text notification somewhere if you want).


    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    • Edited by Kristaps. _ Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:51 AM
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:42 AM
  • Mike -

    1.) Sounds like driver issues. With any luck, they will improve and be good to go by October 22nd.

    2.) Ditto...

    3.) You can request the multiple desktop feature by posting a link to the Have Comments about Windows 7 RC (Part 6). Comments and requests probably won't make it into Windows 7, but if it's a good enough idea, and there's enough demand, the programmers might do something with it for a future release.

    4a.) Not quite sure exactly what the problem is. Did the Hauppauge PC 150 work? or not?

    4b.) The oldest Nvidia card that is supported by Windows 7 is the GeForce 6100 chipset. GeForce 4 series cards are not supported as they don't really have enough horsepower to do most of the things you can do with Windows Vista or 7.

    5.) In order for Windows Easy Transfer to work - you must use the version included in the RC. If I recall correctly, it's supposed to see a network option as well as an external USB drive - as well as a direct transfer. Another drive on the same computer isn't supported. While it may seem like a good idea, most people don't multi-boot. WET is designed to transfer settings from one computer to another - either by network, external USB drive or a direct connection. In this case, the external USB drive method would have likely been the best possible solution.

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:09 AM
  • So far I love how fast RC 7 installs and is up and ready to access the internet, not having to manually put in the ip addresses for access is great, still lots to learn about the OS, some of it brand new and frustrating as I'm used to XP
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:21 AM
  • (broken record)

    I'd like to hear from MS dev team why they thought it was a good idea to remove showing free disk space on the status bar.

    or why if you select more than 15 files, windows explorer can no longer show total file sizes, along with numerous other missing right click functionalities.

    or why the file type dialog is now missing the advanced features.  you can no longer add custom commands or change file type icons, for example.

    or why you can't change search parameters on the fly any more, such as search both file name and contents (or not), or search subfolders (or not).  the advanced search dialog is gone.

    STOP DUMBING WINDOWS EXPLORER DOWN.

    (/broken record)
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:53 AM
  • Well I think it's very good, other than the NVidia problem, they will catch up I'm sure...
    looks much better and I think without the little things that I never used it is much faster...
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:49 AM
  • I noticed an issue when a remote desktop connection is established to a windows 7 system. After auto update, the system can reboot even if controlled remotely and thus, a regular logout is skipped. After that a login on the actual windows 7 machine results in a black screen (Mouse is still visible). The issue is resolved by loging in again remotely, followed by a proper logout.
    Now it seems to be more complex:

    I had an unforced black screen after a regular restart. Only way to see more than the mouse was loging in remotely and then log in 'on site', no logout in between.
    I'm using build 7100 on site and XP Pro SP3 on the remote computer.
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:13 AM
  • Windows Live is TERRIBLE. I will never use it. Tried the Photo Gallery and it doesn't hold a candle to the Vista Version and neither does Mail.
    Just curiously, what's missing from Live Photo Gallery that was available in the original? If I remember correcly, the only thing removed was the Rating category in the sidebar, which was move to the header pane.

    i still dont see why we have to use a color theme that was outdated 8 years ago. why cant we have the same contrast themes in aero glass mode? not only that but by default in all previous windows OS's, the color contrast was much better 
    High contrast themes are included for those with impared vision, colorblindness, etc in mind. They now serve exclusively to be themes devoid of gradients, transparency, etc to increase readability for those who need it.

    ---

    classic needs to be scrapped
    Still has its uses... and whatever happened to options? Options you agree with, maybe?

    or just use aero or aero with out transparency.
    There's a checkbox for that...

    oh and remove aero basic.
    Really? So when Aero is disabled the transition can be that much more dramatic?

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:16 AM
  • Here's a compilation of some Taskbar & Live Thumb[nail] ideas (all of these ideas are for when you have one program with multiple windows open, and wording is for a vertical taskbar )

    1. Clicking on Taskbar icon opens the most recently used window , instead of opening Live Thumbs (which can be opened via hover). If Taskbar opens Live Thumbnails on-click, the click-on-icon-to-hide-window ability is lost.
    2. Live Thumbs can be re-ordered via drag&drop
    3. Live Thumbs can be selected and Aero-Peek'd by scroll wheel
    4. Drag the Thumb out to Taskbar to create a new taskbar icon/button for it (AKA [devs will understand this] manually override Application ID (Read HERE and HERE about App IDs. #2 is way more easier to understand))
    5. Drag any folder to Taskbar (as opposed to dragging to Windews Explorer icon), to pin that Folder to Taskbar (as opposed to pinning to WE's Jump List). This feature would be similar to OS X's Stacks.
    6. Make the Language bar into a regular notification area icon , so it can be shown and hidden, and would take up only half of the Taskbar's width (as opposed to full, like it is now).
    7. When Taskbar is wide enough to accommodate several columns of icons, do that. (see what I mean [pic] )
    8. When Taskbar is in overflow mode , make it go vertically (horizontally for horizontal taskbar), add scrolling with scroll wheel , and maybe continuous scrolling . I can not imagine a Tablet PC user trying to click on those small "switch row" buttons.
    9. You should be able to switch applications by Win+Numpad, just like Win+HorizontalNubmerRow (like, Win+Num2 = Win+2)

    I will add to this, and make a whole new one for the start menu ;)
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    • Edited by Kristaps. _ Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:52 PM
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:50 PM
  • 1. a) You know the different effect between hovering and clicking?
        b) why to prefer the last used one? Click and you have all of the group, and you can fe delete the obsolete instances without leaving the preview!     
    2. For what reordering live thumbs ? Gimmickry ?
    3. Why this? Simply move the optical mouse, take care of the scrollwheel and finger mechanics! Besides this, why to overload an operating system code for  gimmickry? 
        Today taskbar this and that, tomorrow what?

    8. I´d prefer rows and columns as in alt+tab, but besides this: when do you have more than 11 instances of ONE application? On my laptop an overflow occurs with 12
    9. No good idea : Win+Numpad is  used by other applications!
      
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:01 PM
  • Windows Explorer: my enemy....

    When open a window with pics and/or movies, Windows Explorer ALWAYS fill the adress bar and takes the 100% from the processor. If you have a lot of images, you must wait for several minutes or abort it (and suffer the consecuences). In addition, when it arrives at the frame with the X it takes more than the time than took to fill the complete bar.
    If you want to copy or to move archives, even to folders within the same window, often it starts to “discover” files and it takes minutes or directly does not do it at all, and Explorer seems to be “loaded” so that any thing that you want to do from that moment will do the same. What I do is ctrl-alt-del, end explorer and reinitiate it, a kind of “reset”. Of course, most of the times it does the work.

     

    I never used Vista, but Windows Explorer of Windows 7 is the worse one I have seen from the very Windows 1 for PC XT that I used centuries ago.  I believe that it is the great loose point of the new Windows, that in almost all the others features is superior to the previous ones, in spite of maintaining certain problems of all of the Windows (like the poor handling of networks, the almost impossibility to cancel works of impression without wasting paper and ink, and other minor troubles).

    There are moments at which I feel the temptation to prove Linux because of Windows Explorer....

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:26 PM
  • There are moments at which I feel the temptation to prove Linux because of Windows Explorer....

    Why microsoft refuses to listen? Can´t they see that Windows Explorer is the worse thing in Windows 7? All the other features are very good, overall. But Windows Explorer is such a mess, such a catastrophic disaster that it alone, and ONLY it can ruin a very good job in other areas.

    I don´t even know anymore the number of people that said the same. Why can´t they fix it? Or, why did they broke it in first place? Explorer used to be a very good ally in Windows XP. Why turn it into an "enemy" like DrGerry just said?

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:58 PM
  • the Vista/7 windows explorer is TERRIBLE. is there any reason why customization taken off and why you replaced all the good things.

    for example: i use the "Up one Folder" button alot. and replaced it with the god awful folder navigator that only displays 2 or 3 folders at a time and combined it with the adress bar. i HATE this feature because i used to be able to just click a button a few times fast and i would be back where i started. the folder navigator does not let me do this because i am an organized person. i make folders for EVERYTHING so i can find what i want. as a result i end up navigating thoruhg 6,7,8,9 and sometimes even 10 folders. well if i want to get back to the say 6th folder out of 10 i cant. if i use the back button it brings to where i was last NOT the previous folder. and i cant use the navigator because it doesnt display back that far. so i spend up to 10 seconds more using the back button to go to places i dont want to go and then using the navigator because i can finally see the 6th folder. Really???

    for another thing: the combinment of the folder navigator and the adress bar is really anoying. if want to get the adress from one windows explorer window to another i have go through a process that is obscure to most. while it takes about the same time, it is the logic of it. i used to be able to highlight, Control+C, and then highlight, Control+V and hit enter. now i have to right click on the navigator and then do "Copy Adress" and then right click again and do "Paste Adress".

    first off: why is the navigator and adress bar combined. it obscures an important part of windows explorer and inhibits clarity.
    Second: this new layout does not allow for keyboard shortcuts which in my opinion are muuch faster than clicking and menuevering a mouse.

    so the logic of you ideas have been compromised. the new layout hides things that were once an unavoidable feature

    also. why should we have to hit "Alt" to get the file bar up. even though its hardly used people dont like having to go online for solutions to problems that shouldnt be there in the first place: "Why can i see the filebar? I need to change the veiw so it doesnt show hidden folders"


    and last: customization. here i go on one of my rants so buckel your seatbelts. 
    you have compromised the thing that windows is KNOWN for. customization. i can t change windows explorer to my liking in many ways. i used to be able to put on whatever buttons i like by now i am forced to use what you guys think is the way to go. i dont like all thise buttons. i just want the navigation buttons and the new folder button. and the sidebar: i dont like the sidebar because it takes up space. there used to be a favorites menu available. and now its replaced with the imovable sidebar. the favorites menu was an unobtursive way to get the places you used most. i dont see the logic in replacing it.

    the windows XP windows explorer nailed it on the head. and now you have taken that nail, ripped it up, twisted it, made it unusable, and thrown it in the trash.

    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:32 PM
  • Gerry, I suspect you problem stems from Premiere installing codecs that cause problems with WMP/Explorer. I've seen this with many codec packs and applications on my own PC and on the PCs of others. Sometimes they don't really fix file associations when uninstalled, too.

    ---

    i used to be able to highlight, Control+C, and then highlight, Control+V and hit enter. now i have to right click on the navigator and then do "Copy Adress" and then right click again and do "Paste Adress".
    You still can.

    Second: this new layout does not allow for keyboard shortcuts which in my opinion are muuch faster than clicking and menuevering a mouse.

    You can still, click in the empty space in right edge. And you can still use ALT+D to access the address bar part and F4 to access the history.

    There are even new shortcuts:
    Alt up Up one folder
    Alt left Back one folder
    Alt right Foreward one folder

    also. why should we have to hit "Alt" to get the file bar up. even though its hardly used people dont like having to go online for solutions to problems that shouldnt be there in the first place: "Why can i see the filebar? I need to change the veiw so it doesnt show hidden folders"

    It should have been fully absorbed into the command bar then thrown in the trash bin, if you ask me. That said, it took my all of five seconds to find out on my own that I could use ALT to show the menustrip. Also "Organize > Folder and search options", which is really a better name for it because they put a Search tab there. Honestly, I think much of the UI just needs to be ripped apart because it starts to make a little less sense when they do things like that...

    and the sidebar: i dont like the sidebar because it takes up space.
    Use your mouse cursor and shrink it?

    there used to be a favorites menu available.
    The treeviewitem with the name "Favorites" is what you are looking for, unless you want the XP (IE) favorites, those are gone.

    and now its replaced with the imovable sidebar. the favorites menu was an unobtursive way to get the places you used most. i dont see the logic in replacing it.
    "Organize > Layout > Navigation pane"

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:33 PM
  • Gerry, I suspect you problem stems from Premiere installing codecs that cause problems with WMP/Explorer. I've seen this with many codec packs and applications on my own PC and on the PCs of others. Sometimes they don't really fix file associations when uninstalled, too.


    I don't have installed Premiere now. Anyway, as I see over the Internet, the "missing mpg thumbs" is a problem inherited from Vista. But I ask you: I need to use a Mac to work with Premiere? I can use it with XP without a problem, and I don't want to use a Mac, I don't like Mac. I don't want to use Linux, I want a Windows like the 7, but with a good file manager. I have Total Commander, but it have the same troubles than Windows Explorer, so I suspect TC "mounts" itself over Windows Explorer.

    I really like the XP Explorer, at first I was a little confused because of my experinces with Windows 3, W95 and W98, but after a little time a consider it the best of the file managers of all windows. I don't like the logic neither the slow work of Windows Explorer 7.
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:57 PM
  • ...getting it into schools. Gotta expose W7 to the next generation. If Microsoft is smart they will give everything away to schools. Most current users have such a death-grip on XP. It doesn't matter if W7 is better--they just won't let go.

    "Change comes not from men and women changing their minds, but from the change from one generation to the next."
    ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

      "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."

    (NOTE: despite my chronological age, I am not an "old dog" because I keep up to date, such as installing the W7 RC :P).
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:17 PM
  • The Pop Up Blocker In IE 8 In Build 7100 Is Currently Causing  IE 8 2 Lock Up Since Tuesday's Update, Just FYI.
    Microsoft Beta Tester
    Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:46 PM
  • WordPad is my go-to program when I just want to write with none of the "frills" of Word to distract me.  I love some of the new features of 7's Wordpad (ribbons FTW), but I find myself continually frustrated with the program's insistence on starting with 10pt paragraph spacing and 1.15 line spacing.  I want a "preferences" or "options" button in the main drop-down menu that I can use to set my default settings (font, line spacing, etc.)
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:45 AM
  • Microsoft has been completely ruining Windows Explorer beginning with Vista. The Windows Explorer team does not bother to clarify or reply. If they add the features they pulled from Vista and Windows 7 and fixed the Explorer bugs and sluggish performance, fix the load/save boxes to save and not annoy with views the OS would be totally awesome, every other aspect of the OS is better than XP except Windows Explorer. Unfortunately, that's too major a component for me to overlook and I might in the end just stay with XP just because of that. Trademark features that were present from Windows 95 right till Windows XP were ripped apart leaving no replacement, giving no reason for removal, how is your OS an upgrade Microsoft if I lose features. Why should users not be able to do even decent file management in your flagship OS?
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:40 AM
  • I use two 24" monitors, and there were always 2 things wrong using dual screens in windows...

    1) the taskbar was only on one screen, would love to see a bar for the second one which showed windows on that monitor.

    2) you had to download some random program to display different backgrounds/wallpapers on each screen... that should be built in by now...

    Also wouldn't hurt to make it so anything can be maximized such that it goes across both screens, not just fills one.
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:55 AM
  • When I remove an application from Start Menu's MRU list, I want it to be gone unless I tell it to return.
    Currently, when launching that application from Start Menu Search (dunno about All Programs >), it returns to MRU.

    My suggestion:
    1) When I remove an application from MRU, I want it gone permanently.
    2) However, if I change my mind, there should be some sort of a list (maybe a new tab in Control Panel -> Taskbar and Start Menu), where I can un-remove MRU entries.
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:42 AM
  • I agree 110%. Windows Explorer is a total mess right now, really needs urgent fixing.

    In fact, Windows Explorer is the worse thing in the entire system.

    And I want to add another "new feature" that I hate:

    List view now have a very strange behavior. If the file name in the last column (the one in the right of the screen) in a list can not fit the screen, all columns change position to the left, to let the user see the full name. BUT, it just disrupts the workflow and a file that was right under the mouse now is in the left column.

    I miss the old good behaved list view we had in XP.

    I hope the image helps to better see it:

    http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5135/explorerexample.jpg

    • Edited by Warel Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:45 PM Removed the image in this post because it was merged here and generated a duplicated image, unecessary.
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:09 PM
  • Another thing to add in the Windows Explorer mess is the behaviour of the "dancing columns" in the list view:

    List view now have a very strange behavior. If the file name in the last column (the one in the right of the screen) in a list can not fit the screen, all columns change position to the left, to let the user see the full name. BUT, it just disrupts the workflow and a file that was right under the mouse now is in the left column.

    I miss the old good behaved list view we had in XP.

    I hope the image helps to better see it:

    http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5135/explorerexample.jpg

    Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:26 PM
  • I am one that likes to see things fixed.  If I decided to move to another piece of software everytime I encountered something that did not work, or annoyed me, I would be spending all my time installing apps in search of that "perfect" piece of software.

    For Windows Deplorer, it is an albatross; an encumbrance.  To say that it "mostly" works is a stretch.

    It sure could use a lot of attention, rather than ratings, thumbnail sizing, and other "features" that do not help promote productivity and results.

    Doc
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:19 PM
  • that is annoying, indeed! I didn´t check this before! A freeware explorer (Ultraexcplorer) has no problems with this, as I saw some minute ago! MS programmers ,
    guys what DO YOU check? So pretty nice features, but quite immature coded! That is poor, really poor!
    And as some stated, why for heavens sake did you cancel other pretty nice features since xp? Do NOT quit features JUST because they are "old"!
    Steaks were good 20 years ago, do you stop eating steaks bcos you ate 20 years ago? Change explorer team! Hire Jim Kueneman as chief explorer developper!
    • Edited by karlx Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:13 PM
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:06 PM
  • Agreed. In windows xp explorer was a very good tool.

    In Windows Vista it lost many features, become slower and was more like a toy, not a sofware to manage files.

    Now, in Windows 7 all I can say is Windows Deplorer become a very bad joke. The list of things that NEED to be fixed by now is really huge.

    The list of things that would be better (but we can live with) to have not changed from the past is huge too.
    You are all aware that pressing alt with ex/deplorer open gives you the ability to change the folder options, among other things, right? However, you should be able to get to the options without having to press alt.

    Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:24 PM
  • All  I care about is to CUSTOMIZE explorer. The command bar. Also, alow us to add the icons back

    Icons + text
    text only
    icons only

    everyone will be happy
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:25 PM
  • MS ARE YOU LISTENING?? WE HATE YOUR NEW WINDOWS EXPLORER!!
    In fact, I will be happy as soon as they give back all the functionality that was removed.

    A) In xp, the information provided by the status bar is much more useful than the one I have now, be it in the status bar or in the Details Pane.
    If I´m exploring the contents of one folder, xp provides me the number of itens in that folder, the total file size (sum of all sizes in the folder) and the "location" if the files are stored in my computer or in a network.
    NOW, all I have is the total number of itens. So, XP statusbar, with one single line, provides me 3 times more info than The new pane in 7, who took 3 or more lines, by default.
    I agree if I select one single file the details pane info is amazing, but I really miss the total file size info in the bar. We don´t even have an option to put it in the status bar (hidden by default). So, status bar is just useless now.
    There is no way to work with large amount of data if I always need to select all files just to check if they will, lets say, fit in a removable midia, or in another partition, or so on. The file size is so basic information, takes so little space and is so useful, that I can´t even imagine WHY it was left out of the bar! Its not asking much, to, at least, put a selection, avaible by right click, like "Show file sizes".
    Worse yet, if I need to know the file sizes of more than 15 files, I have to click "Show more details". and if I select one more or de-select one of them, I need to click it again. And again and again, everytime the selection changes. Why can´t a modern operational system calculate this in a milisecound? Wait. a system from a decade ago (XP) could do that. The real question is: why WINDOWS 7 can´t do it?

    I already read it´s removed because of the new way libraries work, putting multiple folder together. Ok, I can understand it, but not accept it.If Im inside a library, and it´s soooooooo hard to code something to show the file sizes in that specific place, just remove file sizes in the LIBRARY, not in almost every place of the new explorer. Or, just add a option to put the file sizes back, for the users who use it.

    B) There is no more "up" button. We have breadcumb now, ok, but what if I WANT the up button? Is really that hard to make a option to put it back, if I want it?

    C) Toolbar in explorer can no longer be customizable. If I don´t want the "Burn" button, I can´t remove it. If I want to put copy / past icons there, for easier use, I can´t. It´s the way it is, like it or not, the user can´t change it.

    D) When working with multiple files in xp, I could past a lot of files in a folder, having them in the end of file list, work with them, and organize them the way I want. After having all set, I just hit F5 and all files are organizated. Now, explorer autosort the files. If I put a group of files in a folder with other files, they just get "sorted" and it´s much harder to find the files all over the old ones. And, again, there is no way to disable this "feature" that I don´t want.

    E) If I select multiple file types, like a doc and a txt or xls, I can´t open all of them. The option is missing. I could do it in XP. Worse yet, there is no way to change permissions or security options for more than one file. We need to set it one at a time. In xp, it was possible and easy.

    F) Users can not move / organize files freely in a folder anymore. I never used this, and I don´t like it, but I know there are people who use it, and they can not anymore. It´s a feature lost, so, even if I don´t use it, goes to the list.

    G) In xp, when I start a move or copy operation, a dialog appears and I can see what I´m doing. Now, a dialog that appears don´t provide the basic info, like file names beeing moved. I need to click to "show more". Why do I have to click it always? Why this dialog can´t remember the way it was in the last use and keep it that way? Why I need (again) to click "SHOW IT TO ME" so I can see something that was always there?

    H) Re-open folders in logon is gone.

    I) Filmstrip view is gone.

    J) List view now have a strange behavior. If the file name in the last column in a list can not fit the screen, all columns change position to the left, to let the user see the full name. BUT, it just disrupts the workflow and a file that was right under the mouse now is in the left column. (I made an image about this issue, it can be viewed here: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5135/explorerexample.jpg

    I miss the old good behaved list view we had in XP.

    In fact, I miss the old good behaved WINDOWS EXPLORER!
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:09 PM
  • Blue screens IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_EQUAL_TO
    Seems caused at least in many cases by a wrong IRQ.
    Someone reported for a network card, here is for PCI Standard PCI to PCI Bridge.
    If you look in msinfo32, you notice a very big number for that device something like
    IRQ 4294967294 PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge OK
    In deice manager it says something like 0xFFF..FFE (-2).
    Thats a negative number (not less than equal to zero I think).
    As someone said : "A negative number may result when the first bit is a 1 rather
    than 0, the system is interpreting it as a signed number rather than
    unsigned large number." That seems obvious, but event if was treated correctly, that large number still looks dangerous.
    Not onlys this should not happen becouse ppl wont know what to do, but I still have to find how to change that damn irq.
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:33 PM
  • Would be nice if the Libraries had more arrangement templates (with stacks).

    Music
    Year

    Pictures
    Authors
    Subject

    Videos
    Genre
    Rating
    If there are any video formats that support a tag for "Series", that would lovely to have.

    ---

    Also, the "Customize" tab doesn't appear in any folder's property sheet when viewed through the library. Only the only four other tabs are displayed (General, Sharing, Security, Previous versions).
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:58 PM
  • Whether it's Windows Explorer, Start Menu, or my pet peeve, Control Panel, they all have something in common. It's one of the few things that people DIDN'T complain about, but it got "fixed" anyway. There's been a lot of talk about this around these forums, and it's clear that MS wants to impress beginners more than they care about the hundreds of millions of users over the past 14 years who saw nothing wrong with the controls and could get to where they needed to go instinctively. Tweak it, add to it, pretty it up, but don't completely change it so we can't quickly find what we need. As I've posted in another discussion - Imagine an Air Force jet fighter pilot; he gets into his plane, straps in, and notices that all his instruments and controls have been re-arranged, re-designed, combined, etc. There's a note, explaining that the jet fighter design team thought this way looks nicer and makes more sense. They are convinced this new design is better, and 66% of the class of trainees agreed.  NOW, why would that scenario not happen?  Yes, that's how I feel, too.
    Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM
  • I do not like the windows explorer since vista, windows 7, and also windows 2008. I hope windows explorer of windows 2000 or 2003 can come back to windows 7. otherwise, I will not like using windows 7 too, because too many operations is started from windows explorer.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 12:31 AM
  • Yes, clearly the pre-vista versions of explorer were more usefull although the newer version especially with 7 is more like a video game to me with special effects than folder managment.
    midnight rambler is now "Mr. Seven"
    Friday, July 17, 2009 12:40 AM
  • Well, too many problems to mention here. I will however pick one. An important one for me. I love XP. Why you might ask. Well lets say I dont have to change file permissions or run install programs as administrator but they are just minor problems. The problem I am having is web creation with MS SQl 2005 & VS 2008 on WIN 7. OMG. Just would not let me access VS 2008 due to invalid licence key problem. Yes I changed all file permissions, reinstalled as administrator changed my install user name, the lot. No good. Still got invalid licence key. All this just to run VS 2008 to no avail. I want fast and efficient usability. Not some security guard hanging over my shoulder asking me what do I want to do or sorry you don't have permission and yes you have changed permissions but Im still not letting you do that. Yes I know your the admin but haha I control your OS. Geez. I just want to create web applications and develope aspx websites. Sorry I will be staying with XP pro. Although micro$oft, you will be forcing me to upgrade eventually whether I like it or not due to non support of OS.  
    Can't we just have an OS like XP pro. An old saying my father like to say "If it 'aint broke, don't fix it...."

    P.S... AAHHHHGGG, you took away my outlook express, why, why, why?????
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:28 AM
  • All Windows Explorer related issues are basically removals aggregated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_7 . I'd begged Microsoft via a dozen different methods since Vista to fix them but to them "it is by design" nothing can be done, they're going with RTM. With the file manager broken and horrible unusable, I simply will be staying with XP.


    They do not even document each and every feature removal of Windows features on MSDN or Technet and do not justify major changes or loss of functionality. It's up to us to discover what's broken or missing.
    Anonymuos
    I hate the fact that explorer is not user customizable. I understand the meaning of having the commands that you only need, but not everyone needs or wants those commands.

    what about having the choice for icons? These are what is needed

    Icons+Text
    icons only
    text only

    and what about the color? White? sure its clean, but what about having it match the glass color or even blend in with the glass like in office 2010.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:53 AM
  • WordPad is my go-to program when I just want to write with none of the "frills" of Word to distract me.  I love some of the new features of 7's Wordpad (ribbons FTW), but I find myself continually frustrated with the program's insistence on starting with 10pt paragraph spacing and 1.15 line spacing.  I want a "preferences" or "options" button in the main drop-down menu that I can use to set my default settings (font, line spacing, etc.)

    in my opinion word pad should be just like Microsoft works, a strip down version of office word, but knowing the EU....
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:54 AM
  • Hi ChrisGonzales,

     

    High Contrast is an accessibility feature designed for people who have vision impairment. High Contrast color schemes can increase legibility for some users by heightening screen contrast with alternative color combinations. Some of the schemes also change font sizes for greater legibility.

     

    You can choose a High Contrast theme from Basic and High Contrast Themes in Personalization.

     

    Hope it helps.

    dude you people at microsoft keep giving us answers like this. ANSWER CONSUMER WANTS!!!!!!!!!

    we dont want a windows 2000 theme after going through 2 newer versions of Windows OS's taht have way newer and better graphics. give us the ability to customize colors of not only the windows but the things like the menus and selection rectangles when aero themes are selected too. there is no way you can tell me this is hard. or at very least provide the same contrast themes in aero glass mode.

    people like things that are flashy, shiny, and ultimatley good looking. the windows 2000 theme is dubbed by most to be ugly and completeley unessesary seeing as we have Windows XP themes and Windows vista themes that have finer lines, better colors, and flashy design. And also make the basic theme color customizable too. why is that MS seems to favor ugly blue-grays that are highly watered down and bland. WE  the comsumers like more flashy and sharp colors that reflect our opinion NOT YOURS .

    give us what you guys say windows is all about. USER CUSTOMIZATION!!

    hope this helps, nitrous_74

    All I want is a theme thats clean and professional. Also a theme that works well for people like my 64 year old grandmother who has had a vision problem for years.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:56 AM
  • "Rightclick cut/copy/paste/delete only two clicks." Yeah but I don't want to right click. Is that asking for too much? Why do I have Burn for every file and Share even when I DON'T HAVE A NETWORK!! and empty space to the right? Why change the UI without giving users choice after they're accustomed to doing things in a particular manner from Windows 95 to Windows XP?


    +1

    Couldn't agree more. I dont burn all the time and I don't even share. so why must those options be there? Let me change it to something I WOULD LIKE.

    Also, if I want to show icons  THEN LET ME.

    Icons + Text
    Icons only
    Text only

    you can have text only as deaflut, just let me chose how to display it
    Friday, July 17, 2009 3:00 AM
  • I would like to see more options for displaying desktop icons, such as 'list view' or 'thumbnail view... why are we stuck with icon view only for the desktop when we have all these other views in explorer?
    Friday, July 17, 2009 3:59 AM
  • - Users want back advanced file type functionality back. I can't create secondary user actions/set default action, customize file *type* icon, MIME type, can't even delete defined file types, can't show or hide extension for only particular file types.

    I thought that was missing. D:
    da page :B
    Friday, July 17, 2009 5:03 AM
  • What about thumbnails for rtf, txt AND html? If there was a problem with html for security or whatever, let the customer decide with an option, whether he wants
    to run the risk!!

    AND what about good old mass renaming ? Why did you drop it? To difficult for the young programmers ? Hire some more senior programmers!
    Friday, July 17, 2009 6:14 AM
  • Can I also add that a small bug I have found and apologies if it has already been mentioned, that when downloading a file and saving to HDD if you want to save the download to a new folder you name the folder and click on the  "open" option the new folder is created with the name entered but it is not opened automatically it is just created. So the user must then double click on the new folder to open it. This lack of attention to detail and testing pre-release candidate is not good. 
    Friday, July 17, 2009 7:32 AM
  • Hello and thank you for this forum

    Being a long time computer user, I started with Wang, then Macintosh, then Microsoft 3.11, then 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP and... I moved to Linux.

    I have now a small netbook with 2 different versions ( Debian - Fedora ) and a tower with 2 different versions ( Microsoft XP and Debian ) in dual boot.

    I have installed Windows 7 as third OS.

    My comments :

    1. the screen (monitor) was NOT recognized properly by W7
    2. there was NO POSSIBLE INTERNET CONNECTION  by W7

    I had to import the totality of XP's drivers to enable W7 to be at least operational.

    Finally, if I ended removing W7, it is because I'm using a computer for specific tasks. Some softwares are just "not installable" on W7, probably because the manufacturer has not signed an agreement (made a deal) with Microsoft. As an example, under Windows XP, there was a warning, such as
    [quote]
    Warning : this product has not been approved my Microsoft.
    Do you still want to install it ? ( Yes or No)
    [/quote]
    and then, you can install it.

    But under W7, nothing like this : either the manufacturer agrees to M$'s rules, either his software CANNOT be installed.

    To end this test, I am totally happy and 100% in agreement with Debian and Fedora.

    Good luck and bye bye W7
    Friday, July 17, 2009 8:55 AM
  • Wow! Almost ALL the last comments in here are complains, bugs.... I tought we was almost going to RTM now?

    So, the funiest part is... why the beta received so many good reviews? People loved the beta. RC received a little less... and now... almost in the end of the game, people started to dislike it a lot.

    WHY?

    I think its simple. Very simple, in fact.

    Windows 7 Beta was a master piece of software FOR A BETA. People understand it. There was bugs, there was complains, sure. A beta is exactly for it.

    So, we complained, we talked, discussed, and, what changed from beta to rc? little little things.

    Microsoft released a RC. Nice, lets see the improvement! Wait. Where is it? Ok... it´s still "good" but not that much.... we need more "beta" time, not to rush a RC.

    Microsoft wont listen. They are in such a hurry to erase Vista from people´s mind that they can end up doing all the same again. Why not stop, fix the stuff and then, and only then RTM the system?

    Why RTM a system with a Windows Explorer broken in almost all the things it was changed since XP?

    People complain about the Classic Start menu missing. (I don´t) And I know lots of them that will simple not use W7 because of it.

    I complain for a more customizable start menu. It don´t need to be the "classic", but let us customize it. Why I can´t put any folder I want on it? Why am I stuck with the libraries that MS thinks are good for me? They are not. I want freedom in MY computer.

    Why can´t I pin any folder in taskbar? I don´t want to pin it to Windows explorer. I want to pin the FOLDER. Is that hard?

    I can´t even choose the buttons to be in my Windows Explorer toolbar anymore. I don´t want the Burn or share there. Can I remove? NO. I WANT copy / paste there. Can I put in? NO AGAIN.

    I want to use the UP button, can I have it? NO, its gone.

    I don´t like green... can I change the color of the progress bar to another one? NO, you CAN´T.

    I want to see the propesrties of more than 15 files in explorer WITHOUT having to click the annoyng "Show more details". Can I? Guess what? NO!

    And I can go and go.... there are so many little annoying things that end up irritating the user in such a manner that they end up with a terrible hate only by seeing the system in front of them.

    Microsoft, it happened to Vista. Will you let it happen to Windows 7 too? Please, say not. I like WIndows 7, I want to use it. I want to buy it. But first, I need it to do what I need. Simple as that.

    Thanks.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 11:47 AM
  • Well, it should be...

    Windows Explorer should be taken away from the OS group, and given to another group (perhaps the Office group) that understands how to better develop a UI that is the gateway to navigation in Microsoft's flagship OS. 

    Windows Explorer has consistently gotten worse over time.  And, it is time for some to wake up and fix it.

    “Windows Deplorer” is a better term for this pitiful piece of software.


    Doc


    Doc -

    Oy.. Just what we need - the bleeding Ribbon Interface on Windows Explorer! GAA! We'd NEVER hear the end of it..!
    Friday, July 17, 2009 12:08 PM
  • am i missing something... i highlight a group of files in a folder, then when i sort by another column heading, the highlighted items lose thier highlights.  would be nice if this gets changed.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:00 PM
  • Well I might be in the minority here but I love Vista and I don't think I'll be upgrading until the support for vista ceases.  I have a relatively old machine, a P4 640HT on a RS400-A mobo with 2GB's of 533MHz RAM, 2x1TB F1's in raid 0 and 2x380GB's for dual booting XP or Vista through GAG Boot manager.  The setup was seemless and the security is sublime compared to XP(which I very rarely boot up now).  The program compatibility works a treat(I've even played through Final Fantasy VII Ultimate without a crash).  I'm not into customisation as the OS to me, is just a portal to my apps and games.  I am very disappointed as to the similarity between the Vista and Windows 7 OS's structure and appearance, and would find it even more disappointing if those people who hated Vista were to say how much better Windows 7 is.  As to the comments about dumbing down, I think the correct term is 'simplifying' for streamlining the day to day use.  As to the customisation comments, you shouldn't have time or the authority to customise the OS at work as you are not paid to look at the desktop all day.  If it's at home you are on about then get a life and use the computer as intended and not just to show off the skillz you have and the spare time you can waste.  If you want an OS that is streamlined for business and productivity then get Windows(note the price of even the Home versions), if you want to tinker and show off your programing/hacking skillz then get Ubantu or OSX and a MAC.  Pay your money, take your choice.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:18 PM
  • @Jux_Zeil

    I'm not into customisation as the OS to me, is just a portal to my apps and games.

    Yes, its a portal for me too. And if the portal is too tiny that I cant get pass it, or too fat that I don´t need it, I will customize it. Maybe you would like if the cloths manufactures stop this idioticy of making different numbers? It would be lovely if they just do a M number, doesn´t it? No one have different need or size. I really can´t understand why there is so much brands and variety in the world... people are exactly the same... yeah...


    As to the comments about dumbing down, I think the correct term is 'simplifying' for streamlining the day to day use.

    Yes... maybe the car makers can start simplifying it too...Why do we need all the controls and lights in the pannel? Just hide it all! if I need to know how much gas I still have, or the speed Im getting, I can press a nice "Show more details" button. or, even better, lets simplify it! Why do we need a brake and accelerator? Let the car decide for me whats better now... if I want to go forward or backwards, I don´t need that kind of control... lets simplify and the car can do wharever it wants...


     As to the customisation comments, you shouldn't have time or the authority to customise the OS at work as you are not paid to look at the desktop all day.

    Have you ever heard about the TI personel, or the people who DO HAVE THE AUTORITY, and NEED AND WANT to customize? This kind of people NEED to be able to do it, and not because its funny, its because its THEIR JOBS TO DO!


     If it's at home you are on about then get a life and use the computer as intended and not just to show off the skillz you have and the spare time you can waste.

    In fact, by not being able to customize a lot of things, I end up LOSING THE TIME that I want to use in the life I ALREADY HAVE.

     If you want an OS that is streamlined for business and productivity then get Windows(note the price of even the Home versions), if you want to tinker and show off your programing/hacking skillz then get Ubantu or OSX and a MAC.  Pay your money, take your choice.

    Well... it´s a Windows 7 forum. If I want to discuss Linux or OSX, this is the wrong place. So, can you please stop this bovine scatology and keep the discussion on topic?
    • Edited by Warel Friday, July 17, 2009 2:38 PM
    Friday, July 17, 2009 2:35 PM
  • With the increasing power of various mobile phones and digital cameras, the Movie Maker is a must have for composing video and burn it on DVD with DVD Maker for sharing memorable moments with friends on TV. The Live Movie Maker is way too simple and not able to produce DVD quality movie.

    I hope the DVD Maker problem that I reported in http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprogeneral/thread/6e12a888-bf29-49e0-83da-8f5f6527e1dc can also be fixed.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM
  • "powercfg -energy" in "cmd.exe" does not seem to metter my batteries right in my tablet PC because when i metter them under XP tablet PC edition with HP battery check it shows that my external battey as almost dead with a warning, while in windows 7 it does not give a warning for either of the batteries, but yet the charge for the primary battery is more than the secondary battery when it is not supposed to be...
    Battery:Battery Information
    Battery ID 00043 2007/11/08Hewlett-PackardTravel
    Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
    Serial Number 00043 2007/11/08
    Chemistry LIon
    Long Term 1
    Design Capacity 28209
    Last Full Charge 28209
    Battery:Battery Information
    Battery ID 00158 2007/09/19Hewlett-PackardPrimary
    Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
    Serial Number 00158 2007/09/19
    Chemistry LIon
    Long Term 1
    Design Capacity 41392
    Last Full Charge 41392

    see what i mean, the information does not add up. and no warnings for my secondary battery. i have a feeling that its still under warranty, but i lost the proof of purchase, but there is nothing that you guys can do about that.... anyways, microsoft needs to improve the battery meter so that it knows when it it is low or critical. this one computer i was running Windows 7 on. it had a battery that was in critical condition and Windows 7 did not even tell me about it unless i ran the "powercfg -energy" command. at least in XP it shows it on the desktop in the system tray when you hover over the icon.
    Battery ID 00158 2007/09/19Hewlett-PackardPrimary Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard Serial Number 00158 2007/09/19 Chemistry LIon Long Term 1 Design Capacity 41392 Last Full Charge 41392

    Friday, July 17, 2009 3:41 PM
  • @Jux_Zeil

    I'm not into customisation as the OS to me, is just a portal to my apps and games.

    Yes, its a portal for me too. And if the portal is too tiny that I cant get pass it, or too fat that I don´t need it, I will customize it. Maybe you would like if the cloths manufactures stop this idioticy of making different numbers? It would be lovely if they just do a M number, doesn´t it? No one have different need or size. I really can´t understand why there is so much brands and variety in the world... people are exactly the same... yeah...

    Over customisation could leads to incompatability between differant machines, say on a network shareing resources.  It's fat because of the security needed to protect the system/network from people who like to cause havock and just genaraly enjoy messing up peoples lives.  You are given less chioce as to changing the OS to protect it from you.  I'm sure Microsoft would soon get peeved with people calling the support numbers because the customer can't fix what they have broken. 

    As to the comments about dumbing down, I think the correct term is 'simplifying' for streamlining the day to day use.


    Yes... maybe the car makers can start simplifying it too...Why do we need all the controls and lights in the pannel? Just hide it all! if I need to know how much gas I still have, or the speed Im getting, I can press a nice "Show more details" button. or, even better, lets simplify it! Why do we need a brake and accelerator? Let the car decide for me whats better now... if I want to go forward or backwards, I don´t need that kind of control... lets simplify and the car can do wharever it wants... 

    Why add lots of dials when the car can tell you when you need petrol or when the brake shoes need changing.

     As to the customisation comments, you shouldn't have time or the authority to customise the OS at work as you are not paid to look at the desktop all day.

    Have you ever heard about the TI personel, or the people who DO HAVE THE AUTORITY, and NEED AND WANT to customize? This kind of people NEED to be able to do it, and not because its funny, its because its THEIR JOBS TO DO! 

    I'm assuming you mean 'IT'?  The only thing they should need to customise is the security and auditting setting.  If they need to make too many changes to the OS then they can forget about suport for the product as the manufacturer wouldn't have a clue as to any problem that might arrise.  That's where a propriatory OS manufacturer would come into play.

     If it's at home you are on about then get a life and use the computer as intended and not just to show off the skillz you have and the spare time you can waste.

    In fact, by not being able to customize a lot of things, I end up LOSING THE TIME that I want to use in the life I ALREADY HAVE. 

    I'm sure that buy the time you have learnt how to do the job you require their way, it would have taken less time than sifting through the new munus and settings.  Microsoft have a very intuative learning system in place with each new build of OS and as I'm self taught, I use it(like always read the instuctions before use).

     If you want an OS that is streamlined for business and productivity then get Windows(note the price of even the Home versions), if you want to tinker and show off your programing/hacking skillz then get Ubantu or OSX and a MAC.  Pay your money, take your choice.

    Well... it´s a Windows 7 forum. If I want to discuss Linux or OSX, this is the wrong place. So, can you please stop this bovine scatology and keep the discussion on topic?

    Yes, and I have commented(as described in the thread heading) with my opinions while not referencing a particular person so as not to offend.  I have not discussed Linux or OSX have I?  I don't mind constuctive critisism but name calling is not the way to have a civillized conversation is it, but while we are at it, can I ask if English is your native language?, as the spelling, even by my ITA standards is appalling and if maybe you were in such a hurry to troll me, that you didn't use spellchecker?

    Friday, July 17, 2009 4:14 PM
  • @DrGerry if you get a vote, you climb up! MS seems to sort by thumbs AND THEN by date! (Perhaps designed by an explorer designer?)

    Stay on xp, do not upgrade ...... it is tooooo slow, your solution. Everyone who is SUCH discontent with some Win 7 "features" should do so!
    Perhaps MS learns something !!!??? F.e. to hold on to the good things , and then add new features......
    • Edited by karlx Friday, July 17, 2009 5:44 PM
    Friday, July 17, 2009 5:30 PM
  • Back to windows explorer: Correct me if I´m wrong: In xp WE is an option : store view for each folder. I the box is checked, then .... until bagsize overflow, and then WE does what it likes! if unchecked then automatically the view of the last opened folder was used when opening the next folder! WHY was this cancelled (since Vista), instead I have the MS default settings.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 5:54 PM

  • Anyway, and a little offtopic, can somebody explainme the logic of this forum? I try to follow the sequence of the posts but it appears to be almost randomly sorted (??????????)
    I think the Windows Explorer team is the same one who keep it (not) sorted here... =D

    Just joking... well... the forum have a issue I already complained about. If one post gets a "vote" and is marked as helpful, it will get up, and be placed near the start of the thread (it is done that way so is easier to people to DON´T SEE the posts that are helpful, because once they get moved, you lose the sort order, and many times it´s a full mess to understand some subject that was beeing discussed dooooooooooown there in the thread, and sudenly goes up and lose all the context...)

    And, if a moderator merge a post in here, it comes with the original date and time of the original post. So, If someone posted something a week ago, and it is merged here, it will probably be up there, because it was posted even before the thread is created (???) .. well... the "logic" is more os less this one... =)


    Hi Warel

    This thread is NOT a discussion, nor is it designed for questions. It is intended for comments only and, as such it is not required to follow any logical order.

    All of the posts in this thread are collected periodically and sent to the Windows 7 Beta Team. They sort them, according to the subject of the feedback, and then enter them in their feedback database for the various developers to look at.

    Please do not use this thread to discuss any questions or issues.

    Thanks for understanding.


    Ronnie Vernon MVP
    Forum Moderator
    Friday, July 17, 2009 7:41 PM
    Moderator
  • The start menu should slide up, much like the jump lists.
    The orb looks out of place on the default taskbar, perhaps do somethingn about it there
    The win ver box should look something like this http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2596
    New set of gadgets would be ideal for windows 7.  For the "clock" have a classical style from the 1920s era, a digital, a new morden, a style aimed at males (route 66???) one arimed at females (a rose) and one aimed at kids
    media center should have a set of colors  - http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2062
    option to have maximized windows opaque
    Aero basic to have the option to change colors.
    Fix this MS paint problem - http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/061858c2-e41d-4fd2-9457-585513b6b3a6
    alow us to change the log in screen, not just OEMS
    Fax viewer needs a lot of touching up. 
    In Word Pad, when you add an object you are presented with a 3.1/9x era icons.
    the system tray arrow to hide the icons when pressed has an ugly gradient.
    The shut down button on the start menu should be color coded, and not an ugly ____ white
    Explorer should be user customizable with the command bar. Option to view icons on it or not.

    more later...
    Friday, July 17, 2009 7:51 PM
  • If you open a folder with another file manager like Total Commander that shows the hidden files, you can see the thumbs.db already existent on every folder.

    Anyway, I don't see it working.
    Friday, July 17, 2009 7:53 PM
  • I have had some run-ins with bugs and “homegroup issues”. No driver or other related problems. Microsoft has a real winner here. All of the” its Vista” hype is totally uncalled for. Look at the competition every six months a “new version” is released and what really changes besides the wallpapers. That’s right things the end user can’t see. Windows has evolved to be the stick that All the rest are measured. Now IT “pros” who are scared they will be at geeksquad if we roll out this sophisticated OS are holding us all back with this take XP from my cold dead hands c-rap! Imagine IT “pros” actually the reason that technology is held up! Even in the collage setting they are not teaching Vista/Windows 7 and that is not going to cut it!

    Friday, July 17, 2009 9:04 PM
  • Whenever I transfer files in Windows Explorer between drives, I always find myself clicking the "More Details" pane so I know exactly how much data is being transferred at any given time. Is there any possible way, perhaps through a registry modification, to allow the "More Details" pane to open as the default view during file transfers?  Thanks in advance.
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:37 AM
  • I would like to see more options for displaying desktop icons, such as 'list view' or 'thumbnail view... why are we stuck with icon view only for the desktop when we have all these other views in explorer?

    Good point. Its 2009 after all. Lets make the desktop look nice
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:20 PM
  • The start menu should slide up, much like the jump lists.
    The orb looks out of place on the default taskbar, perhaps do somethingn about it there
    The win ver box should look something like this http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2596
    New set of gadgets would be ideal for windows 7.  For the "clock" have a classical style from the 1920s era, a digital, a new morden, a style aimed at males (route 66???) one arimed at females (a rose) and one aimed at kids
    media center should have a set of colors  - http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2062
    option to have maximized windows opaque
    Aero basic to have the option to change colors.
    Fix this MS paint problem - http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproui/thread/061858c2-e41d-4fd2-9457-585513b6b3a6
    alow us to change the log in screen, not just OEMS
    Fax viewer needs a lot of touching up. 
    In Word Pad, when you add an object you are presented with a 3.1/9x era icons.
    the system tray arrow to hide the icons when pressed has an ugly gradient.
    The shut down button on the start menu should be color coded, and not an ugly ____ white
    Explorer should be user customizable with the command bar. Option to view icons on it or not.

    more later.
    i also like to add that the start menu should fade to.
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:21 PM
  • I would like to have the More Details on by default too.
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:56 PM
  • I installed 7 over Vista Ultimate . The first thing that really irritated me was the message that informed me that the Ultimate dream scene would not be supported .
    That was the only thing I like about vista , which in its self is sad . I installed the RC on a older emachine lap top (Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+
    2 GHz , 1.25 gig RAM)  and it runs fine . No problems what so ever with any drivers , just my anti-vir . For some reason Eset smart security 4 was having some serious fire wall issues with 7 . I had to remove eset to access the internet , so I havent really touched it since then .  Over all I think its better than Vista , hard to really say this early . I still use XP and it looks like I will be for some time .
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:06 PM
  • Gerry, I suspect you problem stems from Premiere installing codecs that cause problems with WMP/Explorer. I've seen this with many codec packs and applications on my own PC and on the PCs of others. Sometimes they don't really fix file associations when uninstalled, too.

    ---

    i used to be able to highlight, Control+C, and then highlight, Control+V and hit enter. now i have to right click on the navigator and then do "Copy Adress" and then right click again and do "Paste Adress".
    You still can.

    Second: this new layout does not allow for keyboard shortcuts which in my opinion are muuch faster than clicking and menuevering a mouse.

    You can still, click in the empty space in right edge. And you can still use ALT+D to access the address bar part and F4 to access the history.

    There are even new shortcuts:
    Alt up Up one folder
    Alt left Back one folder
    Alt right Foreward one folder

    also. why should we have to hit "Alt" to get the file bar up. even though its hardly used people dont like having to go online for solutions to problems that shouldnt be there in the first place: "Why can i see the filebar? I need to change the veiw so it doesnt show hidden folders"

    It should have been fully absorbed into the command bar then thrown in the trash bin, if you ask me. That said, it took my all of five seconds to find out on my own that I could use ALT to show the menustrip. Also "Organize > Folder and search options", which is really a better name for it because they put a Search tab there. Honestly, I think much of the UI just needs to be ripped apart because it starts to make a little less sense when they do things like that...

    and the sidebar: i dont like the sidebar because it takes up space.
    Use your mouse cursor and shrink it?

    there used to be a favorites menu available.
    The treeviewitem with the name "Favorites" is what you are looking for, unless you want the XP (IE) favorites, those are gone.

    and now its replaced with the imovable sidebar. the favorites menu was an unobtursive way to get the places you used most. i dont see the logic in replacing it.
    "Organize > Layout > Navigation pane"

    your missing my point. all these solutions to problmes are obscured from veiw. about the only one taht isnt is the sidebar (you still cant get rid of it ;] ).and also, when i say keyboard shortcuts i mean OBVIOUS keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+S, Ctrl+Alt+Delete), not all the weird combinations that were only added since windows explorer was redesigned. i love it. you and MS expect me to know these things. well srry to say but you guys never really spread the word.
    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:10 PM
  • I just wanted to add , I disabled the Eset fire wall , I even (attempted) to disable the win 7 fire wall and I could not access the web until I completely removed Eset . No mater what I did the only way seemed to be removal . Im planning on reinstalling Eset and seeing if things play out diffrently . For some reason Win 7 did not like my netgear usb driver , but after uninstalling/installing the driver 10 times it worked . I guess the O.S. likes persistance ?
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:15 PM
  • The shut down menu uses a different menu style to other menus.

    Other Examples: http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/1811
    Speaking of which I do find it rather hard to see that selector. It's not impossible, but it's low saturation is a little irritating.

    I am using the 7100 RC, fully up to date.

    Related - Inconsistent Menubars: http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/1622
    da page :B
    Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:07 PM
  • First things first.

    Once I got Vista 2.0 (whoops, sorry, I meant to say "Windows 7") x64 actually running, I was amazed at the performance (starting, logging in, moving windows, startbar, start menu, all video effects) on my old iron. It's a completely different experience to XP x64 on the same hardware. So kudos to the designers for improving the UI experience. I've been watching the tweaks and improvements being discussed for so long, it's great to actually see how it all works together in person. Very nice.

    But.

    I had (like many, many other RC users) some quite bizarre and inexplicable installation bugs and problems. The first time I installed build 7100, it installed from a bootable DVD and installed completely, but broke with the wrong RAID update. I restored my XP boot image using Active@disk from a backup IDE, and once I'd identified the correct RAID drivers, I used the same DVD on the same controller on the same hardware with no changes to the hardware or BIOS, but I can no longer complete the install from DVD unless I start the install from within XP.

    That defies logic and reason, but it's what I experienced. And I'm not alone. This would be one of the biggest bugs/errors in the install process, judging by the forums I've been trying to find answers in.

    After (or IF) the OS is installed, probably the two worst technologies in the entire OS are the Windows explorer and the search.

    The search works well in the start menu, in fact I don't even use the start menu anymore, it's too cluttered and confusing, with pins and lists and highlight colours and the most confusing and arcane structure I've ever used. But search doesn't work properly outside the start menu, period.

    Despite the many blogs and howtos telling me just how good the search function is, I can't find diddly squat on my system, despite turning indexing on for all the drives and disks I use, and trying multiple times with filters and advance queries.

    I get better, faster, and more accurate results searching using Windows Desktop Search 4.0 on my gateway machine, using root-folder shares to access all the drives on the W7 box, than any combination of search term (singular) and filter (singular).

    I just can't find things using W7 search.

    What's worse for me is that the bizarre and arcane search filters are based on 5-year-old technology. There has been no improvement apart from search speed, but that's a crock because after the pretty graph has painted my path bar, there are no meaningful results to display. I guess from a marketing perspective, it's the fastest search ever designed by MS - but my response is, it's very quick to display nothing.

    Worse, if I do try and perform full-scale searches, the results are so irrelevant, and it's so difficult to determine how most of the search results actually included as matching the search pattern (singular) that the results are actually unusable.

    There seems to be no multiple pattern support either. The boolean logic requires such complex constructs in order to work, and there are so many incomprehensible limitations to where boolean operators can be used, let alone combined, that the boolean logic functions effectively don't work. Not in the real world, anyway.

    From the incomprehensible and worse than useless search, let's move on to the "explorer" (warning : extreme oxymoronic terms apply from here on down).

    Overall : The explorer interface is so badly-thought out, badly engineered, and badly-implemented, I suspect that some of the first commercial enhancements for W7 will be explorer replacements. If anyone's interested in what a REAL explorer works like, check out Directory Opus 9. It's an explorer-on-steroids replacement for the crippled and useless windows tool.

    There are too many logically incomprehensible decisions made in the way data is represented and displayed for the explorer technology to be practical outside of Microsoft's development labs.

    Remote Desktop startup: Why can't I specify a monitor for remote desktop connections as part of the connection parameters? Why am I still forced to start the RD client by opening RDC main UI in the display I want it to use it in full-screen before I try to connect to a remote system in full-screen mode? I just can't even BEGIN to comprehend the astonishingly stupid decision to allow RDP connections to specify using ALL monitors, while simultaneously failing to provide the far more practical and far more useful ability to specify a default monitor! So instead of double-clicking a saved RDP, which then opens ONLY in the DEFAULT display, I am forced to use a two-stage open process. How the HECK did that make it past beta testing? That's probably one of the most useful functions to be able to define in modern multi-display desktops. To ignore this basic ability is just incomprehensible at every level. I do hope this oversight is fixed ASAP.

    Icons and usability :
    Apart from the extremely difficult-to-see icons (although I must admit the 48x48 and larger icons are breathtakingly gorgeous) and icon overlays - which should actually be clear to any user out of the box, without requiring "high contrast" or other usability improvements - there's the multitude of consistency problems and inconsistent display of data.

    Column Sorting : I have to manually resize the column pane each and every time I accidentally leave the "contents" or "preview" pane enabled. Why doesn't explorer remember my settings when I swap display formats? How was that never an issue in the prerelease and betas? If it was, why is it still unusable in the RC? Why does the explorer offer a "apply to all folders" for some layout functions, but it can't actually recall the column order, or sizing, or sort order, or count, or anything else, in folders that I commonly use to search and organise? I'm confused by the need to manually resize the preview pane if I enable and then disable it. And if I shut down explorer and it remembers if the preview pane was active, why doesn't it remember the columns and sizing and sort order?

    Adding and using libraries : The way that libraries are displayed when multiple content folders are included is also confusing and over-complicated. Quite apart from using a cluttered and ugly "default" folder spec dialog that I must somehow find before copying items into a library, adding folders to the library is also clunky and error-prone. Why can't I drop a folder into the library to add it? Why don't I get an option to include vs. copy? Why didn't that get raised in the beta? Why is it still like this in the RC?

    Folder expansion : I'm frustrated multiple times every day with the inexplicable method of expanding folders and folder nodes so that newly-opened folders instantly HIDE all the subfolders because explorer shifts the root folder to the last line in the folder pane. Who on earth thought that was a good idea? And who seconded it? And how the HECK did it make it past beta behaving like that? Even I can write more intelligent browsing tools.

    Column ordering : After more than 14 years of feedback, it turns out that Microsoft still haven't figured out that users who click on a size column header to sort by usually want to see the LARGEST files at the top of the display (or at least, visible in the same display pane wherever that happens to be) when the size column is first selected as the sorting column, but instead it always defaults to showing the SMALLEST files at the top of the list - or the bottom of the list, or at least at the "other" end of the display. This isn't just an explorer thing, it carries over into every application that provides column sorting using OS-supplied APIs. I don't understand why this utterly fundamental improvement hasn't been incorporated 10 years ago. It's even more inexplicable that it's still behaving so unhelpfully in 2009.

    There are so many disconnects in the user interface that seem to have been carried over from long-dead OSes, but no-one seems able to make any improvements, despite the same comments and suggestions being made by people over the past 14+ years! What kind of "user experience" improvement can be provided when the improvements the users actually want are ignored?

    Usability "enhancements" : why use such outdated and hideously tasteless colours in the window frames and icons? I fail to understand why transparency in window titlebars isn't automatically disabled when windows are maximised. Not only does the transparency detract from the overall display, it's confusing and ugly, even when used on the remarkably limited selections of styles. I'm not sure which team was tasked to come up with stylish, modern themes with easy customisation and elegant features, but they obviously couldn't think of anything apart from Slime Green, Hideous Purple, Revolting Yellow, Disgusting Pink, and Baby-Sick Blue. Come on, this is the easiest part of the UI to show off! How many posters and users have come up with some sensational themes in Winstep Extreme, Window Blinds, and more? Why didn't anyone at Microsoft actually look at the types of themes and colours and graphics that are so fantastically popular the world over? I'll bet my last dollar that no-one in MS even considered looking at the Deviant Art or WinCustomize sites. If they did, they sure as sh!t didn't learn anything from them.

    I fail to understand why the backdrop has become so clunky and unfriendly. Why can't I create a graphic backdrop that shows a different image in each monitor? Why does the current backdrop mechanism only partially work, and why doesn't the stretch option allow stretching from a specified point or corner? Why does the center option work the way the stretch option does, and why doesn't it centre the backdrop properly?

    I do like the fact that there have been some attempts to improve Windows 7, but the implementations, where they have actually been applied, have been done with little or no regard to (or understanding of) the reasons behind why users wanted those improvements in the first place! So while it's now easier to track folder browsing by the use of breadcrumbs (which has been around for more than 10 years in other OSes and addons), it's correspondingly more difficult to navigate using "up" or "back" navigation operations. They work OK in Internet Explorer, but they don't work nearly as well in Windows Explorer. It would be good to see these working more practically, and bugger consistency. That's a buzzword MS really don't have the hang of yet.

    I'm so frustrated because this OS has tremendous potential, and the things I like about it almost outweigh the things I don't like, but the things I don't like (which seem to be mostly the things that most other users don't like) should have been changed BEFORE the RC. Now it looks like none of the changes will make it into the final product. Despite some users reporting some fixes in later builds, none of those later builds have been released, so there's no possible way we can find out what changes were implemented and what fixes were applied until I shell out my $550 for the OS. I also assume that most unfixed bugs will be fixed in SP1, to be released as soon after the commercial release as is possible without incurring legal penalties or p!ssing users off because the fixes they were waiting for to come out in the release won't be applied until 3 months later.

    I'm so excited by the potential in this OS, but like so many users, I'm frustrated by the inattention to detail, and the sleight-of-hand release candidate exposure process. I'm not alone either.

    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:20 AM
  • Take a look here

    http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2308
    http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/1684
    http://www.windowslivetaskforce.com/view/15

    time for YOU to fix it
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:21 AM
  • Many new wrist watches are automatically synchronized to a government time radio frequency broadcast so the time never has to be set or adjusted. Is there any future plans to add this to computer clocks so they will be more accurate and be set to the correct time zone with no user input and not be dependent on an internet connection?


    Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:52 AM
  • @ PC Pete
     
    + 10 votes, at least!
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:37 AM
  • one more explorer problem, now IE 8 : try to save  as html or mht this site:
    http://blogs.technet.com/sieben/archive/2009/05/04/was-ist-neu-im-windows-7-rc-aus-endanwendersicht.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

    This is no NEW bug! Why for heavens sake is MS not able to fix it.?! Other companies  say  "YES WE CAN" and they DO!

    Back to everybody´s favourite toy: WinExplorer.  If I rename a file , and want to move to another one for renaming I cannot do this with "cursor up" or "down",
    no, I have to use tab-key to move the rename-mode to the file! 

    In the German blog above I asked, whether the MS folks themselves do use their fileexplorer, or do they sidestep to other software-producers?!

    So many dull, unnecessary baby-programmer faults!
    • Edited by karlx Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:31 PM
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:49 AM
  • I tried the win 7rc and I kinda liked it. But, before I would buy a finish copy, it would have to work all the programs I use and my choice of anti virus and spyware programs. I know the ones I use on win xp work very well. So, I'll keep an eye out for a version that will not try to control my useage of windows, and what I wish to use on it.
    • Edited by 8ballman Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:04 PM
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:02 PM
  • I tried the win 7rc and I kinda liked it. But, before I would buy a finish copy, it would have to work all the programs I use and my choice of anti virus and spyware programs. I know the ones I use on win xp work very well. So, I'll keep an eye out for a version that will not try to control my useage of windows, and what I wish to use on it.
    Well how old are your programs? You can't expect an 10-15 year old program to work on a mordern OS....

    and most the security software programs work with 7. AVG is the best in my opinion and hence, why I use that.

    and Microsoft is not "controlling your useage" and what you use on it.
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:06 PM
  • In case you didn't know these are problems with the command bars them selves and how they look visually. There really needs to be a standard command bar!
    Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:16 PM
  • the wildcard support in the powershell should be extended, especially for file operations .  CMD is much better for these ....
    Monday, July 20, 2009 1:17 PM
  • Bug report:

    Windows disk Image Burner labels CD-RW units as DVD-RAM units.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 3:10 PM
  • the wildcard support in the powershell should be extended, especially for file operations .  CMD is much better for these ....

    ... and getting greedy: Why not regular expressions?.

    Linux allows regular expressions since 20 years ago (or more).
    Monday, July 20, 2009 3:32 PM
  • one more explorer problem, now IE 8 : try to save  as html or mht this site:
    http://blogs.technet.com/sieben/archive/2009/05/04/was-ist-neu-im-windows-7-rc-aus-endanwendersicht.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

    This is no NEW bug! Why for heavens sake is MS not able to fix it.?! Other companies  say  "YES WE CAN" and they DO!

    Back to everybody´s favourite toy: WinExplorer.  If I rename a file , and want to move to another one for renaming I cannot do this with "cursor up" or "down",
    no, I have to use tab-key to move the rename-mode to the file! 

    In the German blog above I asked, whether the MS folks themselves do use their fileexplorer, or do they sidestep to other software-producers?!

    So many dull, unnecessary baby-programmer faults!

    Use firefox 3.5
    Monday, July 20, 2009 3:45 PM
  • Bug report:

    Windows disk Image Burner labels CD-RW units as DVD-RAM units.

    Look into it, it may not be a bug. sometimes an operating system names a DVD or CD drive based on its reading/writing capabilities and then sometimes it names it based on its intername name. Your CD-RW drive might only be able to burn to CDs, but it may also be able to read DVDs and DVD-RAM as well so thats why is it showing up as a DVD-RAM drive. check the device manager to see what the device's internal name is. there are also utilities you can run to check if it can read DVD-RAM or not.

    drive name order
    ------------------------------------
    it it can read or write to CDs, its either a normal CD drive or a CD burner.
    if it can read or write to DVD, its either a normal DVD drive or a DVD burner.
    Then DVD+R DL drives
    Then DVD-RAM drives
    Then Blu-Ray and HD DVD drives
    ------------------------------------

    oddly in Windows 7, it names the CD or DVD drive for when it appears in "my computer" based on what it is called in the "device manager". it probably worked differently in XP and vista.

    Just so you know one of my DVD drives gets named just like yours...
    Monday, July 20, 2009 4:05 PM
  • Bug report:

    Windows disk Image Burner labels CD-RW units as DVD-RAM units.

    Look into it, it may not be a bug. sometimes an operating system names a DVD or CD drive based on its reading/writing capabilities and then sometimes it names it based on its intername name. Your CD-RW drive might only be able to burn to CDs, but it may also be able to read DVDs and DVD-RAM as well so thats why is it showing up as a DVD-RAM drive. check the device manager to see what the device's internal name is. there are also utilities you can run to check if it can read DVD-RAM or not.

    drive name order
    ------------------------------------
    it it can read or write to CDs, its either a normal CD drive or a CD burner.
    if it can read or write to DVD, its either a normal DVD drive or a DVD burner.
    Then DVD+R DL drives
    Then DVD-RAM drives
    Then Blu-Ray and HD DVD drives
    ------------------------------------

    oddly in Windows 7, it names the CD or DVD drive for when it appears in "my computer" based on what it is called in the "device manager". it probably worked differently in XP and vista.

    Just so you know one of my DVD drives gets named just like yours...

    No. I are 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC
    Monday, July 20, 2009 4:16 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 4:35 PM
  • <Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC (Part 5) >

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

    Thanks

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Maybe bug report:

    With windows explorer:
    1-connect to ftp folder with user and password.
    2-copy file
    3-try to past on local PC folder on a second Windows Explorer window:
    after 1 minute of doing nothing, a hidden form (hidden under the progress bar form) appears, and error message says that cannot copy to local folder because password is not allowed.

    Apparently windows try to connect to local folder by ftp with the same password.

    The bug does not occur in virtual windows XP connected to the same ftp server.


    I want to remark that it render Win7 useless as an operative system. It cannot get in the final release.

    No way.

    Monday, July 20, 2009 4:48 PM
  • Don't know if this has been covered, But I really don't like how Picture Viewer makes everything Yellow, I really don't like it adding color to my pictures.  I did not see a easy option for turning this off.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 5:07 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Unfortunately, I tried Win 7 32 bit on computers with only DVD, but I may try to connect a CD-RW later.

    I should remark:
    -It does not occur on Windows Explorer, only in Windows Disk Image Burner.
    -Was found on Windows 7 64b, on 2 PCs
    -Both CD-RW units where PATA.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 5:07 PM
  • the wildcard support in the powershell should be extended, especially for file operations .  CMD is much better for these ....

    ... and getting greedy: Why not regular expressions?.

    Linux allows regular expressions since 20 years ago (or more).
    Ok, you are right! But for me wildcard extension has preference! I didn´t use regular expressions very often in my unix life.
    Do not ask too much of MS ! :-)
    Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22 PM
  • one more explorer problem, now IE 8 : try to save  as html or mht this site:
    http://blogs.technet.com/sieben/archive/2009/05/04/was-ist-neu-im-windows-7-rc-aus-endanwendersicht.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

    This is no NEW bug! Why for heavens sake is MS not able to fix it.?! Other companies  say  "YES WE CAN" and they DO!

    Back to everybody´s favourite toy: WinExplorer.  If I rename a file , and want to move to another one for renaming I cannot do this with "cursor up" or "down",
    no, I have to use tab-key to move the rename-mode to the file! 

    In the German blog above I asked, whether the MS folks themselves do use their fileexplorer, or do they sidestep to other software-producers?!

    So many dull, unnecessary baby-programmer faults!

    Use firefox 3.5
    I checked it, but I kicked it off. I do not like it. No preview of all tabs, and more important , the favorites administration is not the big throw!
    Monday, July 20, 2009 5:26 PM
  • I reciently found this on Craigs List, from someone treying to sell a PC With Windows 7 installed, and this is illegal because the OS has not been released yet. Some one get this to Microsoft, so they can get the information on this person. I have already informed them that they cannot sell this PC with this Beta RC1 installed without Microsoft's consent. Please follow Link. 
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:04 PM
  • i liked the windows XP and Windows Vista Taskbar much better. i think they should keep the thumbnail preview and aero peek but make the taskbar buttons slightly smaller, put back the lables, and dont make them group by default (classic taskbar with added features). and i am very suprised that this is the 5th version of the taskbar and it still doesnt offer more flexiblity to change how the buttons group. you should also add these grouping settings:

    A: group by application type (i.e. google chrome)
    B: group by number of application type (3 windows of google chrome)
    C: group least used windows of application type (2 unused windows of google chrome)

    so what i am saying is, if your going to keep the grouping setting, make it so we can choose how they group and when to group (and also make it so you dont have to hit control to cycle through the windows). let us define a number of unused windows, application windows, or the number of application windows that are required before grouping is initiated. and also keep the setting: "group when tasbar is full" as a checkbox so we can have the grouping settings i listed and let it group the buttons if there are less of the application than the number you want them to reach before they group.

    and add a setting where the most used windows are grouped at one end of the taskbar and the least used windows are at the other end

    hope this helps, nitrous_74
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:04 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Unfortunately, I tried Win 7 32 bit on computers with only DVD, but I may try to connect a CD-RW later.

    I should remark:
    -It does not occur on Windows Explorer, only in Windows Disk Image Burner.
    -Was found on Windows 7 64b, on 2 PCs
    -Both CD-RW units where PATA.
    Ok, I checked it on another PC with Win 7 32 bit. It have exactly the same issue, and with a third CD-RW unit. the 3 units where different CD recorders, non capable od reading DVD.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:17 PM
  • I've had several problems while converting from the factory installed Vista Ultimate to Windows 7.  I'll detail my experience here.

    The first time I installed Windows 7, I tried using the upgrade option. Before it started the upgrade it did warn me about incompatibility issues with DAEMON Tools, Keyboard Filters, ATI Catalyst and a few others.  After the upgrade completed, windows 7 was able to boot and run quite well. However, after restarting the computer after the first windows update the computer could longer boot into Windows and booting into Safe Mode resulted in boot-up freezing when it attempted to load an ATI dll.  I don't think any of those updates related to the ATI graphics drivers, but I'm not sure.
    I then restored the image I made of the drive and made sure the ATI drivers where up to date and that the Windows 7 ATI driver files where also in the System32 directory. I then tried upgrading again, however I got an odd error that I don't remember clearly that prevented the the upgrade process to Windows 7 to start.

    So I did a custom install without formating the hard drive, unless it automatically does a quick format with the custom install.  I installed well and booted smoothly.  I downloaded and installed the ATI Catalyst drivers, Mozilla Thunderbird, Crome, and a few other applications as well as a few windows updates.  After quite a few successful restarts, I removed the hard-drive from my laptop and connected it to my desktop (running Windows XP Pro 32-bit) and transfered several gigabytes of files from the backup image I created to the laptop hard-drive (containing the new install of Windows 7).  Among these files was the settings folder for rainlendar, a large amount of wallpapers (stored in the public My Pictures folder), and everything in the My Documents folder.  Afterwards, I put the laptop hard-drive back into my laptop and attempted to boot into Windows.  It did boot into windows, but none of the files I transfered onto the hard-drive where accessible and some of the folders that contained the new files where rendered inaccessible and Windows complained that I either did not have permission to access the files or that the files/folders are corrupted. I then scheduled for a scandisk to run at startup and restarted the computer.  However, Windows failed to boot and would instantly restart the computer if it attempted to load.  I then ran the startup repair utility and let that run for over 8 hours until it finally gave a message saying that not all the files could be repaired.  Restarting the computer again, it booted enough to run the scandisk.  The scandisk only spent a few seconds scanning the primary logical drive only to stall while starting to check the consistency of the recovery partition.  Restarting the computer again resulted in the scandisk freezing when starting to scan the primary partition while not registering any keystrokes to skip the scandisk. Attempting to boot into Safe Mode resulted in boot-up freezing while loading CLASSPNP.SYS so I assume the transfer of files with foriegn ownership tags (from the XP system) somehow corrupted some system files.

    So, I am currently attempting another custom install of Windows 7 and will attempt to transfer the files to the laptop using an external hard-drive instead.

    Also, when the first custom install completed, I attempted to get the fingerprint reader working but failed.  The fingerprint drivers (downloaded from hp.com) always installed correctly and Device Manager never reported a problem. But I could never get either of the DigitalPersona programs (downloaded from hp.com also) to detect the fingerprint reader.  According to miscellaneous forums on the internet I'm not alone it being unable to make DigitalPersona recognize various fingerprint readers in Windows 7.

    I realize I should have taken more precise notes on my installation experience, but I wasn't expecting to have this much trouble with a release candidate.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:20 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    Annoyance report:

    Searched *.ico on Windows Explorer search bar.

    right clicked on a found file, to choose "Open containing folder".

    No way. No option. Tried combining the mouse with shift, control, and alt, but got no option.

    Should I memorize the entire path, and open the folder in another windows explorer window?

    Edit: it was my own foolishness. The option is down now.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:24 PM
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    Bug report.

    I asked some user to try windows 7 32 bit, so I can evaluate if a non expert (but old) user can update from XP.

    After founding Windows Explorer useless, he asked to install his old copy of Norton Commander, a text mode folder manager from the 80's. (Yes, Windows Explorer is That bad).

    Then, He wanted an icon on his desktop.

    here is the bug:

    -I dragged and dropped CN.EXE to desktop, and choose "Create shortcut".
    -The Shortcut had ugly icon, so I right clicked it>propeties>...>Change Icon, and choose CN.ICO.

    Results: No icon was changed. There is no way to change the icon.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:30 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Annoyance report:

    Searched *.ico on Windows Explorer search bar.

    right clicked on a found file, to choose "Open containing folder".

    No way. No option. Tried combining the mouse with shift, control, and alt, but got no option.

    Should I memorize the entire path, and open the folder in another windows explorer window?

    take DOpus 9.3 :-), but to be honest : it works in my WE !
    Monday, July 20, 2009 6:45 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Bug report.

    I asked some user to try windows 7 32 bit, so I can evaluate if a non expert (but old) user can update from XP.

    After founding Windows Explorer useless, he asked to install his old copy of Norton Commander, a text mode folder manager from the 80's. (Yes, Windows Explorer is That bad).

    Then, He wanted an icon on his desktop.

    here is the bug:

    -I dragged and dropped CN.EXE to desktop, and choose "Create shortcut".
    -The Shortcut had ugly icon, so I right clicked it>propeties>...>Change Icon, and choose CN.ICO.

    Results: No icon was changed. There is no way to change the icon.

    what do you do? I checked it, there is icon-changing!!!
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:27 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Bug report.

    I asked some user to try windows 7 32 bit, so I can evaluate if a non expert (but old) user can update from XP.

    After founding Windows Explorer useless, he asked to install his old copy of Norton Commander, a text mode folder manager from the 80's. (Yes, Windows Explorer is That bad).

    Then, He wanted an icon on his desktop.

    here is the bug:

    -I dragged and dropped CN.EXE to desktop, and choose "Create shortcut".
    -The Shortcut had ugly icon, so I right clicked it>propeties>...>Change Icon, and choose CN.ICO.

    Results: No icon was changed. There is no way to change the icon.

    what do you do? I checked it, there is icon-changing!!!

    Did you tried with a DOS executable?
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:32 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Unfortunately, I tried Win 7 32 bit on computers with only DVD, but I may try to connect a CD-RW later.

    I should remark:
    -It does not occur on Windows Explorer, only in Windows Disk Image Burner.
    -Was found on Windows 7 64b, on 2 PCs
    -Both CD-RW units where PATA.
    Ok, I checked it on another PC with Win 7 32 bit. It have exactly the same issue, and with a third CD-RW unit. the 3 units where different CD recorders, non capable od reading DVD.
    my CD-RW drive can only read DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM.

    its interesting of how the issue shows up in one place, but not the other. i have the same issue with one of my old DVD-ROM drives. it shows up as a up a lightscribe type drive even though its not.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:40 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Unfortunately, I tried Win 7 32 bit on computers with only DVD, but I may try to connect a CD-RW later.

    I should remark:
    -It does not occur on Windows Explorer, only in Windows Disk Image Burner.
    -Was found on Windows 7 64b, on 2 PCs
    -Both CD-RW units where PATA.
    Ok, I checked it on another PC with Win 7 32 bit. It have exactly the same issue, and with a third CD-RW unit. the 3 units where different CD recorders, non capable od reading DVD.
    The tree computers share an Asus m2n68-am-se motherboard, with chipset nForce 560, and southbridge nForce 630a
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:47 PM
  • I reciently found this on Craigs List, from someone treying to sell a PC With Windows 7 installed, and this is illegal because the OS has not been released yet. Some one get this to Microsoft, so they can get the information on this person. I have already informed them that they cannot sell this PC with this Beta RC1 installed without Microsoft's consent. Please follow Link. 

    Ha ha ha ha , Do you own stocks in Microsoft ? You should go and teach him/her a lesson and put them under citizens arrest !  That would fix there wagon .
    "Man living in Moms apartment selling computers with beta operating systems finally nabbed by concerned citizen who also lives in Moms basement .  Authorities where at a loss tracking down the elusive "win 7 bandit  " . When all leads went  cold  and solving the case seemed impossible , G Tullius  stepped forward with shocking evidence that sealed the deal for the beta bandit .  "I knew when I read that Craigs list post that some one had to stand up for whats right , and that's what I bring to the table " commented G Tullius . For his efforts Microsoft has agreed to give the hero 3 free wallpapers of there choosing  .
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:49 PM
  • No. I am 100% sure that they are CD-RW only.

    I checked on another PC, and got the same result.

    Both windows where win 7 64 bit RC

    did you try under 32-bit as well to see if Windows 7 shows the drive differently.
    Unfortunately, I tried Win 7 32 bit on computers with only DVD, but I may try to connect a CD-RW later.

    I should remark:
    -It does not occur on Windows Explorer, only in Windows Disk Image Burner.
    -Was found on Windows 7 64b, on 2 PCs
    -Both CD-RW units where PATA.
    Ok, I checked it on another PC with Win 7 32 bit. It have exactly the same issue, and with a third CD-RW unit. the 3 units where different CD recorders, non capable od reading DVD.
    my CD-RW drive can only read DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM.

    its interesting of how the issue shows up in one place, but not the other. i have the same issue with one of my old DVD-ROM drives. it shows up as a up a lightscribe type drive even though its not.
    looks like a zero based index used as if where an one based index on an array of labels.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 7:49 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Bug report.

    I asked some user to try windows 7 32 bit, so I can evaluate if a non expert (but old) user can update from XP.

    After founding Windows Explorer useless, he asked to install his old copy of Norton Commander, a text mode folder manager from the 80's. (Yes, Windows Explorer is That bad).

    Then, He wanted an icon on his desktop.

    here is the bug:

    -I dragged and dropped CN.EXE to desktop, and choose "Create shortcut".
    -The Shortcut had ugly icon, so I right clicked it>propeties>...>Change Icon, and choose CN.ICO.

    Results: No icon was changed. There is no way to change the icon.

    what do you do? I checked it, there is icon-changing!!!

    Did you tried with a DOS executable?
    firstly no, secondly yes, and then the "apply" button is not active! So with dos-com you cannot change! BUT THIS doesn´t bother me! Byebye Dos! Hello CMD!
    BTW, a Dos-com link on a Win - 7  desktop?
    Monday, July 20, 2009 8:07 PM
  • is anyone else recognizing this?  (bump)
    Monday, July 20, 2009 8:20 PM
  • my CD-RW drive can only read DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM.

    its interesting of how the issue shows up in one place, but not the other. i have the same issue with one of my old DVD-ROM drives. it shows up as a up a lightscribe type drive even though its not.
    looks like a zero based index used as if where an one based index on an array of labels.
    possible. but the weird thing is that my old DVD-ROM drive can write to lightscrive meduim under Windows 7. it has the same issue under vista, but its just detected as a normal DVD drive by both operating systems, except for for the lightscribe software detects it differently, just like you said the Windows Disk Image burner detected your drive differently.

    of course then the official RTM is being released to MSDN and technet soon, so i am going to be upgrading to that soon and hopefully these silly issues will be fixed. at least my lightscribe drives started to work with Windows 7 when the RC was released unlike beta 1 and the pre-release....
    Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 PM
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    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

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    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner

    Annoyance report:

    Searched *.ico on Windows Explorer search bar.

    right clicked on a found file, to choose "Open containing folder".

    No way. No option. Tried combining the mouse with shift, control, and alt, but got no option.

    Should I memorize the entire path, and open the folder in another windows explorer window?

    Hi,

    In Vista it is "Open File Location" and it is near the bottom in the context menu, two above properties. Has that been removed with 7? I am on holidays so don't have access to my RC.

    Cheers,
    Lara
    lforbes
    Monday, July 20, 2009 9:18 PM
  • ...

    Hi,

    In Vista it is "Open File Location" and it is near the bottom in the context menu, two above properties. Has that been removed with 7? I am on holidays so don't have access to my RC.

    Cheers,
    Lara
    lforbes
    It was my mistake. you are right.

    It looks like I'm just starting to default any wrong as Win 7 problem.
    Monday, July 20, 2009 9:32 PM
  • Just wanted to share my experience, installing Windows 7 on my PC. I did an upgrade from Vista SP1. first I downloaded The upgrade advisor beta and it went through and checked all hardware etc... for compatibility issues, which it didn't find any of, then it proceeded to load without a problem. It did take a while to install, but when it was finished, I checked all my programs and they all seemed to work fine with one small exception. Mozilla opened fine but when I closed it, in the usual way, I received an error message stating that mozilla crashed, though it hadn't and it continues to tell me that when I close out of my browser. The other thing I noticed was when I had opened the command prompt and checked the ipconfig /all it told me my ip address, but it informed me the assign date was June 20th 1873 at 04:14:42. I thought that was a bit humerous. All-in-all I'm pleased with this new version of Windows and will continue to test its capabilities.
    Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:34 PM
  • Don, I think your feedback will be mounted, framed, and hung on the (otherwise empty) Wall of Positive Feedback in the halls of One Microsoft Way, Redmond! I hope nothing bad continues to happen for your system. It's the good bits that keep the rest of us asking and whining and complaining, so I think more than one commenter will look at your post with a tear in their eye and the monster of envy in their hearts.
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:19 PM
  • And while I'm staring this <deity of your choice>-forsaken OS in the eyes this new morning, I have a new (well, it was new 14 years ago) question to ask Microsoft about W7:

    Why, after more than 15 years, and after thousands of requests from system administrators, integrators, IT professionals, Technet subscribers, and us users, is there still no option to associate a sound event with a completed IE download?

    That just plain doesn't make sense.

    It's even more inexplicable when I recently discovered that I can now assign a sound to a disambiguation event! Oh Joy! Well, maybe not, since I suspect I'll never use nor understand the point of disambiguation notifications in a modern, real-time computer operating system. After all, I can disambiguate infinitely faster and more accurately, even on a bad morning.

    And if I can configure IE so that it plays an even more pointless sound whenever a browse event completes (WTF???), why not assign an event and sound link for a download completed event, which takes much longer, is much more likely to fail than clicking refresh on an intranet web page (or even an internet based web page), and is usually far more important in terms of getting whatever it is I'm downloading installed on the computer or watching or listening to?

    It's not much to ask. It wasn't much to ask in 1994 (when I asked nicely), nor in 1998 (when I asked politely), nor prior to Win XP (when I asked nicely and politely), but despite asking nicely 3 times before the rollout of a new OS, each time the new OS has come out with more sound events than you can poke a stick at - but none for that most useful off-window navigation options, the download complete event.

    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:41 PM
  • And while I'm staring this <deity of your choice>-forsaken OS in the eyes this new morning, I have a new (well, it was new 14 years ago) question to ask Microsoft about W7:

    Why, after more than 15 years, and after thousands of requests from system administrators, integrators, IT professionals, Technet subscribers, and us users, is there still no option to associate a sound event with a completed IE download?

    That just plain doesn't make sense.

    It's even more inexplicable when I recently discovered that I can now assign a sound to a disambiguation event! Oh Joy! Well, maybe not, since I suspect I'll never use nor understand the point of disambiguation notifications in a modern, real-time computer operating system. After all, I can disambiguate infinitely faster and more accurately, even on a bad morning.

    And if I can configure IE so that it plays an even more pointless sound whenever a browse event completes (WTF???), why not assign an event and sound link for a download completed event, which takes much longer, is much more likely to fail than clicking refresh on an intranet web page (or even an internet based web page), and is usually far more important in terms of getting whatever it is I'm downloading installed on the computer or watching or listening to?

    It's not much to ask. It wasn't much to ask in 1994 (when I asked nicely), nor in 1998 (when I asked politely), nor prior to Win XP (when I asked nicely and politely), but despite asking nicely 3 times before the rollout of a new OS, each time the new OS has come out with more sound events than you can poke a stick at - but none for that most useful off-window navigation options, the download complete event.

    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.

    I get a nice long 'ping' when my files have finished downloading on both Vista and Windows 7.  I'm sure it's under 'Conrol Panel>Sounds>Windows>Default Beep'.
    Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:16 PM
  • And while I'm staring this <deity of your choice>-forsaken OS in the eyes this new morning, I have a new (well, it was new 14 years ago) question to ask Microsoft about W7:

    Why, after more than 15 years, and after thousands of requests from system administrators, integrators, IT professionals, Technet subscribers, and us users, is there still no option to associate a sound event with a completed IE download?

    That just plain doesn't make sense.

    It's even more inexplicable when I recently discovered that I can now assign a sound to a disambiguation event! Oh Joy! Well, maybe not, since I suspect I'll never use nor understand the point of disambiguation notifications in a modern, real-time computer operating system. After all, I can disambiguate infinitely faster and more accurately, even on a bad morning.

    And if I can configure IE so that it plays an even more pointless sound whenever a browse event completes (WTF???), why not assign an event and sound link for a download completed event, which takes much longer, is much more likely to fail than clicking refresh on an intranet web page (or even an internet based web page), and is usually far more important in terms of getting whatever it is I'm downloading installed on the computer or watching or listening to?

    It's not much to ask. It wasn't much to ask in 1994 (when I asked nicely), nor in 1998 (when I asked politely), nor prior to Win XP (when I asked nicely and politely), but despite asking nicely 3 times before the rollout of a new OS, each time the new OS has come out with more sound events than you can poke a stick at - but none for that most useful off-window navigation options, the download complete event.

    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.

    I run Vista and IE 8 and definitely get a download wave at the end of every download. I download a lot of zip files though and there is definitely a chime. Maybe not with images.  It is the same sound set for Asterisk and if you change Asterisk it will change the download sound. I have it set to "downloadcomplete.wav"

    Cheers,
    Lara
    lforbes
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:07 AM
  • Libraries as implemented in Win7:
    -Not a real location; more like a program run in Explorer.
    -Painful to customize; requires many annoying steps just to change the icon of a non-default library.
    -Inflexible; only applies in one place
    -Adding too many folders to a library of general purpose makes things messy

    Libraries as they should be:
    -ANY folder may contain the contents of other folders when the Libraries tab under Properties is accessed; items contained
    in another folder get a lighter font.
    -The Home folder I guess can get a dedicated Libraries folder for projects.
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:20 AM
  • Thank you for your feedback.

    We have a Feedback thread available where you can post product suggestions and any other feedback. The Forum Owner will periodically collect these messages and send them directly to the Windows 7 Product Development Teams.

     

    Here is a link to that thread for your convenience.

     

    Have Comments about Windows 7 RC?

     

    Thanks.

    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:45 AM
  • I really only have two things that I feel need to be addressed.

     

    1. The ability to disable auto-arrange in folders. Manually arranging icons is something I use in my main folders, and no combination of the provided filters/options will work.

    2. Simply adding additional options to the mouse buttons. Specifically, the scroll wheel/middle button. I use single clicks, right clicks, and double clicks. Setting the middle button as a double click allows much more effective access through my files.

     

    Thanks you reading.

    Nathan

    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:46 AM
  •  Why are so many people posting in other forums about their problems of the upgrade program on their newly purchashed machines.  Many are saying that they are going to return their brand new machines by RMA or back to the retailer because of this. One posted that he purchased a brand new HP Pavillion HDX which was definetly on the list (I looked up the exact model myself), but when he submitted his eligibility request it didn't go through. He then contacted Arvato who I've heard is handling this upgrade situation for Microsoft. It didn't sound like it went to smoothly to say the least!  If your new purchase makes the list it should be a done deal right?  This is fustrating many and is bad for buisness all the way around, especially MS after putting together the best OS to date after spending that much time and work only to piss off a bunch of customers.
     I plan on buying a new laptop in a month from now and I hope this will be all sorted out!
    HP dv9535nr Triple Boot: XP Pro SP3, Vista Ultimate X64, Windows 7 RC1 X64
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:45 PM
  • PC Pete:

    Regarding your comments on Win 7 RC "Windows Explorer" and "Search".  Thank you (and some others)  for articulating so well what I have felt but could not quite put into words. 

    As  an avid, but not proffesional computer person I suppose my problem was I tended to believe I just did not fully understand and appreciate the changes that have been made to these very components components, and a relearning period would resolve most of my concerns. 

    I now understand  these features have not just been modified and re-designed, but they have also been robbed of functionality, re-designed in a manner that reduces practicality, and restructured in a manner that reduces the owner's ability to customize the product to their needs; all in the name of simplification.

    Basically I have been very impressed with Win 7 since the first day I got my Beta.  The problem, as I now see it, is the base OS is wed to some rather deficient components.  Almost all severe problems I have had with both the Beta and the current RC have been with "Internet Explorer 8 " and not, therefore, a subject of my comments.  The other problems have been in the form of inconveniences, and irritations from not being able to easily accomplish what was, in the past, easily done.  Your description of the problems with Win 7's "Windows Explorer" and "Search" sums it up so well that I can only say "I second that".
     
    Thanks

    C. W. Hoeft 
    cbillhoeft@charter.net
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:06 PM
  • Ronnie .
     I tried the Compatibility fix  in your post on the front page for the Dell V305w series AIO and it doesn't work The file is corrupted in the download . It's marked compatible on the Micrsoft's compatibility site . But it isn't . This printer is made by Lenmark and there is the same problem on Lenmark AIO systems of when the download is almost Complete a box pops up telling you need to down load Microsoft.NET Framework version 2.0 which you cannot because it's already in the software . I have seen this on other issues too and have asked Technet several times for a fix but nothing comes back.
     after the printer drivers download is done the box apprears  on every boot after that the box apprears on the Windows & boot Up during the load after the welcome screen . the only way to rid the box popping up is to delete the Imaging toolbox , The uninstall and the Support files . the printer and Ink levels utilities work fine but I have concerns about what happens when you scan or need the support . 
     I would like to how Windows & can RTM with these issues . this has been the case since the  first beta and RC
     I have asked for help also from MSDN and the forums .
    Alvin Clemons
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:11 PM
  • I'll try to be a little more brief than anonymous...I installed W7 RC1 on a 2 year old HP laptop w/ 2 gb ram, and I have to say that it has run better than ever. I'm sure I haven't run it through its paces as much as a lot of my fellow contributors, but the only real issue I have is the time it takes to wake up after the screen saver kicks in...in some cases as long as 20 seconds. I guess I'll disable the screen saver and see if any other issues pop up. I've had zero issues with IE 8, Office 2007 Ultimate, and only one persistent error message related to Premier Elements 2, which I uninstalled (no more error messages - will reinstall and let you know what happens!).

    I know there's no such thing as a perfect OS, but for me, Microsoft got it right this time. But what do I know...I never had any problems with Windows ME, either!

    Good luck, everyone!

    Richard
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:17 PM
  • Libraries as implemented in Win7:
    -Not a real location; more like a program run in Explorer.
    -Painful to customize; requires many annoying steps just to change the icon of a non-default library.
    -Inflexible; only applies in one place
    -Adding too many folders to a library of general purpose makes things messy

    Libraries as they should be:
    -ANY folder may contain the contents of other folders when the Libraries tab under Properties is accessed; items contained
    in another folder get a lighter font.
    -The Home folder I guess can get a dedicated Libraries folder for projects.
    Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:43 PM
  • Thanks for the suggestions and feedback. I have my asterisk event set up already. Unfortunately, the asterisk event is also associated with generic info dialogs (not errors, not program crashes, but not general dings either), which are often called by apps and the OS itself when shutting down without saving files, opening read-only files, and so on. I do a lot of that kind of silly thing, so of course I have a much more pleasant and appropriate sound assigned to that, which means that (like you guys) I can't distinguish between a download completing or a batch file copy operation going off the rails, or any other kind of notification event.

    So my question remains : why does Microsoft not provide a separate sound event for the single most important browsing event possible, when they have sounds for the most ridiculous and namby-pamby pseudoevents ever thought conceivable?

    Perhaps we should push for a "no sound" sound event? Or a "sound card disambiguation" event sound to play? Or perhaps a sound sound that only plays when a successful sound has played. Don't laugh too much - have a look at some of the event descriptions included with the plethora of new "events" in W7! Even the ones I understand are less important than some of this stuff that's never been addressed.

    I do hope Microsoft can learn to pay attention to the real-world, important details as well as the effort and manpower and energy they pour into some of the least important ones. But based on the resounding feedback from this thread alone, I suspect that's going to remain wishful thinking. Or, how about trying this :

    HEY! MICROSOFT! YES! YOU, HIDING BEHIND THE FORUMS! WE KNOW YOU'RE THERE, SO COME OUT WHERE WE CAN SEE YOU! HERE'S A SECRET YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT! FIX THE SMALL, UNSEEN, "UNIMPORTANT" DETAILS NOW! THE REST OF THE STUFF (THE STUFF ONLY YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT) WILL FALL INTO PLACE! YOU MIGHT EVEN GET SOME HAPPY CUSTOMERS! YOU'VE HEARD OF THEM, HAVEN'T YOU? WELL, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO GET ONE OR TWO! GO TO IT! MAKE US PROUD!

    Nah. Didn't think so.
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:06 AM
  • PC Pete,

    We take the numerous suggestions that we receive from lots of channels (including these forums) and prioritize them based on a variety of factors. You shouldn't infer that because you don't see your suggestions implemented or changed in a pre-release version of the software that you are not heard.

    We do our best to address the 110,000+ posts in these forums, so kindly refrain posting with an unprofessional attitude. Try to recognize the difficult job we have to do here. Nobody is "hiding behind the forums" as you claim. We have helped countless thousands of people here with Windows 7 Beta and Windows 7 RC. We will also be here to help after GA and we appreciate your feedback and help in testing the software. However, you are likely to get more help and/or a response if you are less sarcastic.

    By the way, you are mistaken in your understanding of Windows 7 pricing. Please see the Windows Team Blog to gain an accurate understanding of the pricing.

    Sincerely,

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:55 AM
  • Tony, I appreciate that you and the other moderators are under unvelievable stress trying to manage and sort feedback of all kinds, with a poorly-understood OS, with many changes still being addressed while people here and elsewhere are complaining about stuff that has probably already been fixed.

    Based on the tone and issues that have already been commented on here, I don't think my tongue-in-cheek postings should be viewed in any other light. I'm very sorry if you've taken them to heart.

    Do I honestly think that suggesting adding a sound event or addressing minor issues in the new search tool, or usability improvements for a new operating system will be acted on, no matter how carefully I phrase my request? Unfortunately, no. And I sure as heck don't want a gold star or nomination for a Nobel prize for doing so, no matter how sorely needed some of these enhancements are.

    Do other people have the same issues as I do? You better believe it. Would we like some of these suggestions and ideas to be implemented? ____ yeah.

    But my misunderstood point still remains. A request that was formally made as a beta tester in 1994, and that has been discussed formally and informally ever since through beta participation and through years of support, hasn't been acted upon, despite (to my knowledge some years ago) literally thousands of requests for the same enhancement. That means I don't hold too much hope for new suggestions and enhancements either.

     So no matter what we say, nor how we say it, we really don't stand a butterfly's chance in a hurricane of seeing our requests, suggestions, and ideas taken seriously enough to be realised, unless our suggestions and Microsoft's marketing requirements coincide.

    I sincerely apologise if my utter frustration with the lack of support by Microsoft on a number of technical issues with prior operating systems has "leaked" into my enthusiasm for the new OS, and my fear that the same old thing is going to happen, all over again. And I do hope my sarcastic followups have not negatively impacted other people's suggestions, regardless of the tone or language they're couched in.

    [Edit] I see from the blog post that the approximate retail price of W7 Ultimate (which is what I'll be buying) is indeed now estimated at AUD$390. My previous guesstimate was based on a local distributor after the initial pricing release notes a few weeks ago. I apologise, that's actually nearly 30% less than the figure I quoted. 
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:39 AM
  • I would like it if Microsoft would be able to intergrate the windows Peek function into the Google Chrome browser.
    Firefox and IE has been integrated but it would be greatly appreciated in the upcoming version of 7.
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:25 AM
  • I would like it if Microsoft would be able to intergrate the windows Peek function into the Google Chrome browser.
    Firefox and IE has been integrated but it would be greatly appreciated in the upcoming version of 7.
    The windows (Aero) peek works for every app. These is no integration needed.

    Hello! Please try every solution given to your problem...and reply back with its results...

    - JoelbX
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:38 PM
  • ...

    By the way, you are mistaken in your understanding of Windows 7 pricing. Please see the Windows Team Blog to gain an accurate understanding of the pricing.

    ...
    what about pre-ordering non-upgrade OEM versions for end users?
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:09 PM
  • Tony, I appreciate that you and the other moderators are under unvelievable stress trying to manage and sort feedback of all kinds, with a poorly-understood OS, with many changes still being addressed while people here and elsewhere are complaining about stuff that has probably already been fixed.

    Based on the tone and issues that have already been commented on here, I don't think my tongue-in-cheek postings should be viewed in any other light. I'm very sorry if you've taken them to heart.

    Do I honestly think that suggesting adding a sound event or addressing minor issues in the new search tool, or usability improvements for a new operating system will be acted on, no matter how carefully I phrase my request? Unfortunately, no. And I sure as heck don't want a gold star or nomination for a Nobel prize for doing so, no matter how sorely needed some of these enhancements are.

    Do other people have the same issues as I do? You better believe it. Would we like some of these suggestions and ideas to be implemented? ____ yeah.

    But my misunderstood point still remains. A request that was formally made as a beta tester in 1994, and that has been discussed formally and informally ever since through beta participation and through years of support, hasn't been acted upon, despite (to my knowledge some years ago) literally thousands of requests for the same enhancement. That means I don't hold too much hope for new suggestions and enhancements either.

     So no matter what we say, nor how we say it, we really don't stand a butterfly's chance in a hurricane of seeing our requests, suggestions, and ideas taken seriously enough to be realised, unless our suggestions and Microsoft's marketing requirements coincide.

    I sincerely apologise if my utter frustration with the lack of support by Microsoft on a number of technical issues with prior operating systems has "leaked" into my enthusiasm for the new OS, and my fear that the same old thing is going to happen, all over again. And I do hope my sarcastic followups have not negatively impacted other people's suggestions, regardless of the tone or language they're couched in.

    [Edit] I see from the blog post that the approximate retail price of W7 Ultimate (which is what I'll be buying) is indeed now estimated at AUD$390. My previous guesstimate was based on a local distributor after the initial pricing release notes a few weeks ago. I apologise, that's actually nearly 30% less than the figure I quoted. 
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.

    I am with PC Pete on this one and it has nothing to do with negativity and a LOT to do with frustration with Microsoft's lack of listening to customer (especially business) requests. I predicted after the RC release and then the Retail release of Vista when the millions of requests to put back the functionality of XP were ignored, that no business would implement Vista.  We certainly won't and Dell still sells to business with XP installed so I guess I am not alone.

    Windows 7 has been somewhat of an improvement but 95% of the issues that business have with Vista still are part of Windows 7 which concerns me greatly as a network administrator.

    There has also been a quick jump from the RC release to the full release of Windows 7. There was certainly not enough time to address even one or two issues posted in these 6 pages of posts so I am predicting the retail release to be the same as RC.

    Now as for the item I have been requesting from Microsoft since the dawn of Windows 95 was a SHORTCUT key to create a New Folder AND a 'New Folder' icon that exists on the main toolbar. Currently there is only a shortcut that exists in the "save as" dialogue box and it has never been available in Explorer.

    Mac had a New Folder shortcut key since the beginning and yet MS never caught on. For someone like me who is constantly creating folders it can get very time consuming now without even a file menu and my users have no right click (context access) which makes it pretty impossible.

    Cheers,
    Lara

    lforbes
    Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:09 PM
  • In the following several articles, I will give you the websites to take a look at. I'm trying to help Microsoft to have its profits to go up. Also in the event of Windows 7 sales are not good. Then Microsoft must take actions. Here is one website that takes about the profits. Read this carefully and this is important. Since this might help the company.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/168684/three_fixes_for_microsofts_bottom_line_we_want.html

     

    Let me explain it from the article: The article that said about three fixes for Microsoft's Bottom Line We Want. Here is the main area. Try These on for Size : To fix this, Microsoft needs to take advantage of its new opportunities and get us all revved and excited again about its products. By doing so, the huge software maker could even help carry part of the U.S. economy on its back across the finish line to better days.

     Here's where to start: 1. Don't be late with Windows 7. Bring it out as promised on October 22 this year. Not in December, like your big operating system delays in years past, which crushed holiday PC sales due to your foot-dragging. Nope, this time Microsoft has to get it right the first time and get it out the door right on time to prop up sales, consumer confidence and to prime the pump for new PC sales to consumers and businesses. No excuses, Redmond. Make it happen or you may not want to even look at what would likely be your dropping revenue and profit numbers for a while afterward.

     

    2. Be sure and make the upcoming free Web version of Microsoft Office 2010 work with the world-stand-art Open Document Format (ODF) and the open source OpenOffice and it's related alternatives. The rest of the world believes in ODF and its lovely file compatibility to make it much easier for users anywhere to share their documents without vendor lock-in and problems. You began working on this in earnest with Office 2007 Service Pack 2, but its time to really hit the ball a mile. No more half attempts just to try to score some points. Instead, make ODF compliance a key feature and watch Office 2010 head out of the sales park. Besides, imagine the goodwill generated by such a statement of cooperation. Just do it.

    3. And the last item Microsoft needs to do have nothing to do with code. Instead, it has to do with its not-so-warm-and-fuzzy attitude toward consumers. It needs to be friendlier, with faster updates and security patch releases, and it needs to find more ways to continue the consumer-friendly, cheaper upgrade route for Windows 7, even though the first such program ended July 11. Making it cheaper and easier for consumers to get Windows 7 -- especially after making them have to put up with the peripherals-compatibility-challenged Windows Vista for the past couple years -- would be a smart move for revenue enhancement in the long run. One promising move is the recent announcement about the upcoming new Microsoft stores which will be opening across the nation. Taking a page from Apple's very successful retail stores, Microsoft can use the brick and mortar stores to fashion closer relationships with its users. And guess what, happy consumers spend money.

    So, Redmond, are you listening? The economy is waiting.

    I have an article that explains that Windows XP users will have a hard time upgrading to Windows 7. Microsoft must change the way to make it easier to install.

    We don’t want to reinstall the drivers and programs in Windows 7. It will be a waste of time. Can Microsoft provide an easy way to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7 just like upgrading from Windows Vista to Windows 7?

     

    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/168915/windows_7_rtm_doesnt_cure_upgrade_woes.html

     

    Here what it says:  It is hard--make that impossible--to recommend that Windows XP users upgrade to Windows 7. Especially when the new OS really wants a clean installation, goodbye apps, goodbye drivers, goodbye hours of people's time.

     

    Windows Ultimate users that I heard have gotten angry about that they don't get to have the free Windows 7 Ultimate. Microsoft should do this. They paid Windows Vista Ultimate so expensive. They should deserve the free Windows 7 Ultimate. Also what I mean is that it APPLIES TO ALL Windows Vista Ultimate users not just the users that purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and get Widows 7 for free. I will explain more if you don’t understand it more clearly. IT APPLIES TO ALL WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE USERS INCLUDING THE ONES THAT PURCHASED VISTA ULIMTATE BEFORE THE DISCOUNT PROGRAM DATE.

    Here is an article about it: http://www.pcworld.com/article/164725/microsoft_urged_to_give_vista_ultimate_users_free_windows_7_upgrades.html?tk=rel_news

     

    It's very shame that Microsoft will not be giving a free copy to Windows 7 tech-beta-testers. The reason why I say that is because in the Windows Vista technical beta testers everyone received a free copy of windows vista Ultimate at the end of the program. Why Microsoft is not doing it for Windows 7 program?

    We have seen all the feedback they’ve submitted through the program, have all worked very hard to help make Windows 7 the best product it can be.

    Here is the website that explains: http://windows7news.com/2009/07/22/no-free-windows-7-for-tech-beta-testers/

     

    Friday, July 24, 2009 10:19 AM
  • Windows15 -

    1.) Windows 7 has reached RTM status. That means that all that's really left to do is stamp the DVDs, package them and get them shipped to a store near you. Therefore it's highly unlikely that Windows 7 will be late - unless something drastic happens - namely an act of god or some other major natural disaster or war.

    2.) Is probably already in the works. But in all reality - it's kind of silly. Case in point. I have a rather complicated document - full of tables, graphics and the like. Pretty much every single version of Word from 97 to 2007 can open the file and render it correctly, 100% of the time, without any tweaking.

    Opening that same file on OpenOffice 3.x results in having to spend an hour or so reformatting the document. That's right. OpenOffice 3.x can already open MS Office documents. OpenOffice has been able to do this for quite some time - with mixed results. Maybe they are the ones that need to learn how to read Word documents better?

    The point is - MS Office IS pretty much THE defacto standard. I'm a consultant that deals with the real world. Not some ivory tower world where academics who couldn't get any other kind of job sit and think up ways to make things more complicated than necessary reside. As a consultant, I visit many offices and sometimes I even go to client's homes. I rarely ever run across anyone that uses any of these "alternatives". There was one lawyer's office who were using WordPerfect for Windows - mainly because WP is fairly entrenched in that market even to this day. Even they had copies of MS Office they used on EVERY desktop. I had to tell them that WP was redundant - mainly because Word can handle WP formatted documents. 

    3.)  There's an actual method to the Patch Tuesday thing. It makes it very easy for IT admins to predict when patches would be made available, so they know what they have to do in order to get those patches out to their workstations. But that does NOT mean Microsoft doesn't release things out band if it's deemed a serious emergency. Case in point - the patch that plugged the hole that Conficker exploited came out on October 17th of last year. That wasn't Patch Tuesday. Those who had the common sense to install it never had to worry about it.

    As far as "peripheral challenged Vista" goes - Exactly who's fault is that? Microsoft spent the better part of 2006 putting out beta and RC versions of Vista. Many vendors - namely Creative Labs, HP and others dragged their feet. Creative Labs said they would NOT be doing anything with it until the code was RTMed. Their excuse was that the code base was changing too drastically for them to keep up. I have to scratch my head on that one. NVidia and ATI were both able to create video drivers for Vista ALL the way through the beta and RC cycle. Granted, they may not have always been perfect, but they got started with it right from the get go. And if one version didn't quite work properly, the next one was usually better.

    HP was in complete denial of the existance of the Vista beta... I called them with regards to getting some printer drivers and the tech on the other end said he had not even heard of Vista, Windows 6 or Longhorn. I find that a bit difficult to believe. I've worked tech support and I always felt it was important to keep tabs on what was going on in the tech world. Unless the guy lives under a rock somewhere...

    At any rate, your point is moot. Since Windows 7 is based on the same driver model that Vista uses, the odds are quite good that the Vista drivers will work without any serious need for tweaking for MOST hardware that supports Vista.

    The whole idea of forcing XP users to do a clean install upgrade IS actually in the end user's interests. XP and Windows Vista/7 are two very different beasts. XP's driver model is very different from the one in Vista/7. XP drivers generally tend to cause grief most of the time on Vista and 7. You really don't want them on your Windows 7 system if you can avoid it. If anything, Microsoft is doing the end user a favor by making them do a clean install. As far as installing things fresh - that's generally also a good idea. Yes, it means spending some time installing things, but in the end, it's generally a better way to go about it in the first place. The tech's rule - always do a clean install whenever possible.

    And for what it's worth - no one is forcing you or anyone else to upgrade. If you don't like the terms - don't do it.

    As far as Vista Ultimate users go... I may be the minority. Heck, I may be the only one who doesn't feel the need to get Windows 7 for free. Maybe it's because I was able to exercise a bit of self control and waited for the price to be a bit more reasonable before I bought it. Nope.. It's more likely because I got the Ultimate edition for a specific set of reasons - not because of the ultimate extras. I got Ultimate because I wanted the media center feature and because I wanted to join the computer to a domain. The only edition that could do that Vista Ultimate. 


    Friday, July 24, 2009 12:09 PM
  • Ditto on what Wolfie2k6 wrote.

    As the IT Dept for a few compaines and a small city, I can attest to the facts above.

    The world runs on WINDOWS, it is everyone else who needs to learn to play.

    Hardware issue are the vendors issues not MS.
    Having install win 7 on over 30 some odd systems now, as a IT consultanlt I do not allow my user to purchase "off the wall / dollar store" computers

    No flaky AMD / NVidia / VIA chipset boards, which by the way we have tested a few in house with a few driver related issuea, but that is us testing win7 across the board.

    I am a big Dell computer pusher, why?? simple they make great computers and do not put a bunch "junk" in them like HP / COmpaq / Emachine builds.
    I have not had a single issue with the dell installs that was not fixed by windows update.

    As for Vista, we skipped that whole OS as cites / companies do not or should buy into new a OS until until the SP1 is released, and as Vista had such 
    a high cost in computers which would work well, it never really got of the ground; this is the fault of the PC makers NOT MS, to many of the junk pc where sold with the bare min specs to run vista. 
    Friday, July 24, 2009 12:33 PM
  • Bubba -

    Thanks for the comments - but seriously... NO AMD?!?! Via chipsets, I can understand, but I've got three AMD boxes here with Nvidia chipsets on them and they run like Lance Armstrong... They may not be the fastest on the block any more but they're still solid contenders.. One's running XP, one's running Windows 2000 Server and this one's running 7... Rarely ever see any problems with any of them.
    Friday, July 24, 2009 12:50 PM
  • Windows15 -

    1.) Windows 7 has reached RTM status. That means that all that's really left to do is stamp the DVDs, package them and get them shipped to a store near you. Therefore it's highly unlikely that Windows 7 will be late - unless something drastic happens - namely an act of god or some other major natural disaster or war.

    2.) Is probably already in the works. But in all reality - it's kind of silly. Case in point. I have a rather complicated document - full of tables, graphics and the like. Pretty much every single version of Word from 97 to 2007 can open the file and render it correctly, 100% of the time, without any tweaking.

    Opening that same file on OpenOffice 3.x results in having to spend an hour or so reformatting the document. That's right. OpenOffice 3.x can already open MS Office documents. OpenOffice has been able to do this for quite some time - with mixed results. Maybe they are the ones that need to learn how to read Word documents better?

    The point is - MS Office IS pretty much THE defacto standard. I'm a consultant that deals with the real world. Not some ivory tower world where academics who couldn't get any other kind of job sit and think up ways to make things more complicated than necessary reside. As a consultant, I visit many offices and sometimes I even go to client's homes. I rarely ever run across anyone that uses any of these "alternatives". There was one lawyer's office who were using WordPerfect for Windows - mainly because WP is fairly entrenched in that market even to this day. Even they had copies of MS Office they used on EVERY desktop. I had to tell them that WP was redundant - mainly because Word can handle WP formatted documents. 

    3.)  There's an actual method to the Patch Tuesday thing. It makes it very easy for IT admins to predict when patches would be made available, so they know what they have to do in order to get those patches out to their workstations. But that does NOT mean Microsoft doesn't release things out band if it's deemed a serious emergency. Case in point - the patch that plugged the hole that Conficker exploited came out on October 17th of last year. That wasn't Patch Tuesday. Those who had the common sense to install it never had to worry about it.

    As far as "peripheral challenged Vista" goes - Exactly who's fault is that? Microsoft spent the better part of 2006 putting out beta and RC versions of Vista. Many vendors - namely Creative Labs, HP and others dragged their feet. Creative Labs said they would NOT be doing anything with it until the code was RTMed. Their excuse was that the code base was changing too drastically for them to keep up. I have to scratch my head on that one. NVidia and ATI were both able to create video drivers for Vista ALL the way through the beta and RC cycle. Granted, they may not have always been perfect, but they got started with it right from the get go. And if one version didn't quite work properly, the next one was usually better.

    HP was in complete denial of the existance of the Vista beta... I called them with regards to getting some printer drivers and the tech on the other end said he had not even heard of Vista, Windows 6 or Longhorn. I find that a bit difficult to believe. I've worked tech support and I always felt it was important to keep tabs on what was going on in the tech world. Unless the guy lives under a rock somewhere...

    At any rate, your point is moot. Since Windows 7 is based on the same driver model that Vista uses, the odds are quite good that the Vista drivers will work without any serious need for tweaking for MOST hardware that supports Vista.

    The whole idea of forcing XP users to do a clean install upgrade IS actually in the end user's interests. XP and Windows Vista/7 are two very different beasts. XP's driver model is very different from the one in Vista/7. XP drivers generally tend to cause grief most of the time on Vista and 7. You really don't want them on your Windows 7 system if you can avoid it. If anything, Microsoft is doing the end user a favor by making them do a clean install. As far as installing things fresh - that's generally also a good idea. Yes, it means spending some time installing things, but in the end, it's generally a better way to go about it in the first place. The tech's rule - always do a clean install whenever possible.

    And for what it's worth - no one is forcing you or anyone else to upgrade. If you don't like the terms - don't do it.

    As far as Vista Ultimate users go... I may be the minority. Heck, I may be the only one who doesn't feel the need to get Windows 7 for free. Maybe it's because I was able to exercise a bit of self control and waited for the price to be a bit more reasonable before I bought it. Nope.. It's more likely because I got the Ultimate edition for a specific set of reasons - not because of the ultimate extras. I got Ultimate because I wanted the media center feature and because I wanted to join the computer to a domain. The only edition that could do that Vista Ultimate. 



    Wolfie,

    If I could, I would buy you the beverage of your choice.  Excellent points above.

    Doc
    Friday, July 24, 2009 12:57 PM
  • Firstly I have to say thankyou to Microsoft for giving me a chance to have a play with Windows 7 RC.

    So far I am very impressed.

    There are a few faults which I am sure will be sorted in due time.

    I have never tried Vista as I have been an XP pro user for some time and just stuck with it because I heard some poor comments in the beginning of Vista. I have since read and heard better reports about vista, but have not been able to take the step up to Vita.

    When I heard about Windows 7 RC and the positive comments I deciced to download and install. When installing I was thinking I was going to have a long wait and even had a movie ready to play, but I was stunned with the simplicity, ease and quickness and even joked with my son about how easy and quick it was to install. Nearly turned to my wife and said something (lets not go there).

    In past in other forums I have to say I have bagged Microsoft, but now I will not.

    Keep up the great work and I look forward to the final product.

    Cheers

    Flubber



    Friday, July 24, 2009 4:44 PM
  • One suggestion that is not mine but taken from another forum: It would be a great idea to unite all (or the most used) program updates with Windows Update. Say, Adobe Reader, or Flash, or AV updates would be incorporated into Windows Update, that would be a great help to people who aren't accustomed to keep their programs up to date. I can't see a major technical problem with that, besides the needed cooperation between Windows and 3rd party developers.
    Mobile AMD64 3000+, VIA Apollo K8T800 chipset, 1 G RAM, ATIRadeonMobility 9700, 20x DVDRW, C:XPSP3 (55G),D:WIN7 (25G),F:DATA (250G)
    Friday, July 24, 2009 6:30 PM
  • BUMP. :(
    Friday, July 24, 2009 6:45 PM
  • Sanmartin -

    Now that's a fine can of worms you've got opened up there...

    The problem with doing it by way of Microsoft Update - it's NOT Microsoft code. That opens up a perception issue. If something goes wrong with Acrobat reader or Flash or some other tool - who's fault is it? Where'd you get it? - Microsoft Update. So then Microsoft gets inundated with the issues surrounding Acrobat Reader, Flash or whatever.

    Don't get me wrong - that does make sense to do it that way. Having a one stop shop for all your update needs IS a good idea. You don't have to hunt them down here, there and whereever. Linux does it that way.. Each distro has it's own repository and it seems to work fairly well.

    The unfortunate problem with Microsoft doing it - they would get blamed for the 3rd party app's issues.
    Friday, July 24, 2009 10:43 PM
  • That IS an interesting can of worms... I know this isn't exactly related, but for most of my clients who use various versions of windows, they generally don't like or understand the error reporting tool (usually Dr Watson), so they just don't use it. I've tried to explain that it's one of the best ways of learning about fixes to problems that creep up from behind, like flash player updates, burning tool or driver issues, and so on. But there is usually a significant "lag" between people reporting the same problem(s) over and over again (and I've done that too) and a fix report to the OCA site. Having a unified "update" site might help to increase the visibility of problem reporting and providing fixes. But yeah, it's already difficult enough explaining the difference between a driver, application, and OS issue, let alone making the update site a smörgasbord of fixes and patches, not to mention determining software versions so the amount of information isn't totally overwhelming.
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:04 AM
  • Now as for the item I have been requesting from Microsoft since the dawn of Windows 95 was a SHORTCUT key to create a New Folder AND a 'New Folder' icon that exists on the main toolbar. Currently there is only a shortcut that exists in the "save as" dialogue box and it has never been available in Explorer.

    Mac had a New Folder shortcut key since the beginning and yet MS never caught on. For someone like me who is constantly creating folders it can get very time consuming now without even a file menu and my users have no right click (context access) which makes it pretty impossible.
    You have an excellent point there, and it's close to my heart too, especially as I'm building my new system from scratch.

    I use Directory Opus instead of windows explorer now, and that allows me much more flexibility in terms of defining context-sensitive menu shortcuts (ctrl,alt, and shift keyboard modifiers and single/double/triple click options for the left, middle, and right buttons), but it's still rocket surgery to make the option available outside of context-clicking in a blank part of the files pane.

    I do understand that the "create folder" function isn't applicable to the special folders and so on, which obviously complicates the logic of determining where it should be displayed (especially with the library pseudofolders)! I've seen and appreciate the new "New Folder" button that is planted smack in the middle of the toolbars in some panels in some applications and browsers in some circumstances, so this is obviously something that's been asked for for a long time. But it's still not what we want, nor is it where we want it!

    I have no idea if the internal logic of the explorer interface will allow that button to be duplicated elsewhere, but it would seem that the context menu is a good place to start. It should also be possible to add a similar kind of function to the library view of folder groups, but again, that will probably be so complicated to set up that it will be left to third parties.

    Since none of us here have any idea what fixes were addressed in the 7600 build, I'm hoping that at least some of the ideas expressed here (including the new folders idea) will be incorporated at some level. It might be helpful if a reference to the changes and fixes in the builds could be linked to from here (I haven't done a search on the forums for a while due to the performance and accessibillity issues over the last couple of days/hours - I'm surprised that I can actually post again after not being able to for some time due to the forum not presenting edit boxes or only showing a "code-only" edit function, but hopefully the maintenance scheduled will fix some of those issues). I actually thought I'd been prevented from posting, but a colleague I called had the same problem. Now I'm paranoid...

    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 12:33 AM
  • Now as for the item I have been requesting from Microsoft since the dawn of Windows 95 was a SHORTCUT key to create a New Folder...*snip*
    CTRL+SHFT+N

    I have no idea if the internal logic of the explorer interface will allow that button to be duplicated elsewhere, but it would seem that the context menu is a good place to start. It should also be possible to add a similar kind of function to the library view of folder groups, but again, that will probably be so complicated to set up that it will be left to third parties.
    RMB [Context Menu] > New > Folder, unless you mean adding it to the top level?
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:23 AM
  • I hate the open documents arguments, for all the spurious reasons visible in this thread. We're not discussing document standards, we're arguing about what word processor to use.

    The only "open" document standard at the moment is PDF, which of course Adobe effectively owns.

    If you want to edit a PDF created by somebody else, then you have to pay hundreds (or thousands) of dollars (check the Adobe website for prices if you don't believe me) for very specialised and complex software, period. Who sells this software? Adobe. There are some third-party players, but even so, editing a PDF is a non-trivial task, and I personally think it's pointless anyway - most modern "word processing" software these days can produce complex and perfectly acceptable PDF documents, Office and Open Office included, and their PDF documents appear to be portable, so that's the open documents compatibility issue fixed.

    But PDFs, which are very static documents, are a very different thing to the features provided by modern "word processors". So what we're talking about here is actually the comparison of features and the reasons behind those features in various vendors' "word processor" software, NOT whether or not a third-party editor can make sense of a document created by a proprietary word processor.

    The "de facto" standard that Word documents apparently are (I wish I had a dollar for every word processor discussion in which "Microsoft Office" and "de facto standard" are quoted) is just that, de facto - despite the decades of twisting and tweaking and changing formats and introducing new features and tools to modify those features, and now tools to modify the tools to modify the features! The fantastic Ribbon Customiser tool is an example, which I used not to rearrange or improve the Ribbon, but instead to restore all the old menus, which tells you how little I like or use the new features.

    If you have a document that needs to be edited and modified by numerous people who have a common goal and common tools to work with, across a wide geographical area, then there's not much that even comes close to what Microsoft Office can do. It's astounding to see the number and sophisitication of features that are now available out-of-the-box "word processor" like Microsoft Word! There's not much else I know of that can do the kinds of things that Office can do when it's configured properly and installed and managed properly. Although that takes a lot of extra tools and work behind the scenes before (for example) your calendar can see my calendar.

    But that's a very different kettle of fish to having disparate groups of people who may use and speak different languages, on different computers, and using different operating systems, possibly in different companies, working on a document in such a way that they can all see and modify the document to suit their needs.

    Much as some folks would like to think otherwise, Windows isn't the operating system, it's an operating system. Just like any other operating system. In the same way, Word isn't the word processor, it's a word processor, just like Ami Pro, or Lotus 123, or even Lotus Notes, or Wordstar (which I still enjoy using in a small system). Yes, the Microsoft tools are popular, yes a lot of people use Office and Windows, but "a lot" is not "everyone", or even "most".

    And let's be truthful here : I can't open any given Word 95 document in Word 2007 without some (usually significant) editing and rearranging. And because I've done exactly that, I know that Word 2007 will simply ignore document features that it doesn't know how to deal with, and instead will remove all formatting from parts of the document, or put columns into a table layout, or move headers and footers to the body text, and so on and so forth. So to imply that Open Office is less useful because Open Office can't open a Microsoft Word document of arbitrary complexity without some layout work needing to be done, is over-simplifying at best.

    I guess people are interested in being able to read and exchange documents containing a variety of data, and that's nothing to do with the editor, but all about the data.

    Because of the work that I do, I'm very interested in metadata creation and management (check out the Dublin Core standards and you'll see what I mean), and so I'm also interested in seeing that data (as well as metadata) that I add or provide is just as easily accessible as metadata that someone else provides, so in that limited way, I'm definitely interested in document portability. Even though my "documents" are sound files, the principle is the same - we agree on a common set of symbols and information placement in order that someone else (who may be using a very different tool to me) can see and edit my metadata as well.

    If you look at XML, that's an attempt to get a common language to describe data in arbitrary documents. So no matter what tool is used, if the tool complies to the XML standards and rules, it can display the data in as close to a standard way as it's possible to get. Same with HTML - I don't care what you use to build your website, as long as I can see what's on the site, and it doesn't look ugly or it doesn't cause problems.

    THAT's where document editing is going (hopefully) - so regardless of the features you're used to, as long as what you provide is accessible to me, and I "get your point", then I don't give a rat's patootie if you're using Word, or Writer, or a chisel and stone tablets.

    So it's not really helpful (in terms of making documents accessible to as many people as possible) to say that we should all purchase and use the same editing software that you happen to use, regardless of whether its features meet our needs or not. In an intranet environment, you're absolutely right : your data is my data and vice versa, and that's where Office tools outshine the competition (did I hear someone say "Lotus Notes"?)

    But other people may like the look and feel of Writer, or whatever their needs are and what they're familiar with, and that's fine too, as long as the people they're trying to reach have the same needs and tools as they do.

    Since we've already agreed that the PDF (and maybe even one day XML) document format is one of the best around for exchanging information (despite all the limitations and lack of frills with the current level of technology), then what is being compared here isn't the best way to share information, it's what you like to use to create that information.

    To say that other people should all agree to use the Microsoft Word document file format because it's "better" isn't really an argument, it's a point of view. Regardless of the features of Office tools, to say that everyone else should use the same tools because they can't read your documents without them is not an argument, it's a plea.

    Since Open Office file formats are a fairly widely agreed-upon format with many organisations being involved and backing the format, the question is actually:

    How well does Microsoft Office read Open Office documents?

    And FWIW, I prefer to use Microsoft Office myself, not only because I've been using it (well, bits of it, anwyay) for more than 15 years, but also because I really dislike the java-based software tools on my business systems, there are just too many layers involved and so far, I get a more acceptable response (in terms of reacting to my commands, opening windows, and just looking pretty) from Office.

    But then, I still regularly use and enjoy Wordstar, so my opinions are worth diddly-squat.


    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:31 AM
  • Now as for the item I have been requesting from Microsoft since the dawn of Windows 95 was a SHORTCUT key to create a New Folder...*snip*
    CTRL+SHFT+N

    I have no idea if the internal logic of the explorer interface will allow that button to be duplicated elsewhere, but it would seem that the context menu is a good place to start. It should also be possible to add a similar kind of function to the library view of folder groups, but again, that will probably be so complicated to set up that it will be left to third parties.
    RMB [Context Menu] > New > Folder, unless you mean adding it to the top level?
    ctrl-shift-N does not work in Vista or XP. If they added into Windows 7 I haven't found any documentation on it being a new feature although my Win 7 box is at work and I am off for a month so I will test it when I can.
    lforbes
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:44 PM
  • Ya know...

    I know it's kinda late in the game with RTM being delcared and all that.... BUT.. I just thought of something that's puzzled me for the longest time...

    Why is it there's a command to EJECT a CD or DVD from an optical drive when  you right-click on it from Explorer (or click the button on the toolbar), but there's no corresponding command to CLOSE the drive after the fact?

    Yes, I'm aware there are gadgets and 3rd party tools that will do the job, but why isn't it a native part of the interface?
    Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:52 PM
  • RMB [Context Menu] > New > Folder, unless you mean adding it to the top level?
    Actually, I wasn't looking to see if the "folder" I was trying to create a new subfolder in was a special folder or junction point or not, and it is/was. So the permissions and folder type prevented me from creatinga folder, not just an oversight.
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:59 AM
  • Why is it there's a command to EJECT a CD or DVD from an optical drive when  you right-click on it from Explorer (or click the button on the toolbar), but there's no corresponding command to CLOSE the drive after the fact?
    That's another tick in the "attention to details" box. But maybe build 7600 is "The One"?
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:08 AM
  • Just to change the pace a bit...

    I just discovered a much appreciated fix to an old, old problem : In the past, when creating multiple folders in a "browse folders" system dialog (not just the standard Open/Save dialogs), every even-numbered folder that was created in the dialog was created - but the name field lost focus. So creating two or more subfolders in that dialog would result in the first being able to be named, but the next folder created would be autonamed (New Folder 2, etc), then the third folder would be nameable, then the fourth would be autonamed, and so on.

    This has been a problem with XP for as long as I can remember, but it seems to be fixed! I hope the fix is also included in the final release. Fingers crossed.
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:14 AM
  • Thanks for the place to give some feedback.

    WinSAT.exe attempts to run itself even when I am in the middle of playing full screen games, watching movies, and have the CPU fully loaded by other applications. This is not acceptable and I am sure many devs would agree. Happens with all NVIDIA drivers, including the latest WHQL 190.38 series on a GTX 260 GPU.

    There is no reason for the Windows Experience Index needing to run weekly especially after I already ran it once manually. (It keeps thinking the hardware has changed, but it has not nor have the BIOS settings). In the very least the WEI panel needs to give the option to disable it from auto-running.
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:06 AM
  • Agreed. That (WinSAT running regularly) is annoying and unacceptable.
    If Windows thinks there is a need to run WinSAT, it should give a prompt to do so [yes/no].
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:06 AM
  • Please fix these in Windows 7 SP1:
    1.  Regression from XP. Make Autorefresh/autosorting optional in Explorer. It is too annoying for some users.
    2.  BUG. Alt+Enter for Properties is broken in left pane of Windows Explorer. What does it take to fix this?
    3.  Regression from Vista. Explorer Status bar doesn't show size, free disk space and zone; details pane doesn't show size without selection, doesn't show size with selection after 15+ files and requires clicking "Show more details" for every selection change thereafter. Details pane only shows size between 1-15 selected files. Folder tooltips don't show complete size if folder is large.
    4.  Regression from XP. Column handler extensions still broken because of deprecating IColumnProvider. If there is no replacement, please include IColumnProvider and make it off by default.
    5.  Regression from Vista. Network activity animation still not restored.
    6.  BUG. Security tab missing for multiple files and folders. Setting permissions on multiple files isn't easy with Icacls.
    7.  BUG. Can't apply Group Policies that apply only to Vista or only to XP because the reworked filter dialog is missing that.
    8.  BUG. Pressing Shift does not bypass Autologon at the Welcome screen.
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:00 PM
  • Count me in as anaother user who'd like the option to "float" a toolbar...
    Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:42 PM
  • Strongly agree w/ #2 in original and # 5 in 2nd post.
    Monday, July 27, 2009 12:20 AM
  • I am liking win 7 over vista.

    I really like the new search in win7.
    The parent controls should have been more advanced rather then taking away.(with more teens getting online high school).
    I feel win7 is better then vista, but microsoft needs to listen to the user more then just IT pros and or developers.
    Also maybe a way to turn of libraries in folders, if I op a folder I want to see just whats in that folder.( I do like having libraries, just need a way to customize it).

    The most stable OS I believe is 98SE.... XP came close.
    Monday, July 27, 2009 4:55 AM
  • I think it sucks that Windows 7 beta testers are not getting a free copy of the operating system. at least us beta testers got a free copy of vista. now the only thing i have to look forward to as a beta tester is the RTM and the retail release in October.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:44 AM
  • I think it sucks that Windows 7 beta testers are not getting a free copy of the operating system. at least us beta testers got a free copy of vista. now the only thing i have to look forward to as a beta tester is the RTM and the retail release in October.

    Why looking forward? W7 is not the big throw, really not! Some things worse compared to Vista, what is REALLY better ? Peek, Snap, and so on?
    Snap and desktop preview you can have with Vista, large application "thumbnails" too. I do not want peek with taskbar and alt-tab! Big previews in Vista
    and no peek are better, imo! Fe you can compare the content of "real windows" with content of large "thumbs"!
    One better thing with  W7  is the promotion of MS, what else ?
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:23 AM
  • I am liking win 7 over vista.

    I really like the new search in win7.
    The parent controls should have been more advanced rather then taking away.(with more teens getting online high school).
    I feel win7 is better then vista, but microsoft needs to listen to the user more then just IT pros and or developers.
    Also maybe a way to turn of libraries in folders, if I op a folder I want to see just whats in that folder.( I do like having libraries, just need a way to customize it).

    The most stable OS I believe is 98SE.... XP came close.
    And all the things that are worse than in Vista? Fe the win explorer?
    And the libraries? Create a new folder and in this folder  links to the folders you like!
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:38 AM
  • I am liking win 7 over vista.

    I really like the new search in win7.
    The parent controls should have been more advanced rather then taking away.(with more teens getting online high school).
    I feel win7 is better then vista, but microsoft needs to listen to the user more then just IT pros and or developers.
    Also maybe a way to turn of libraries in folders, if I op a folder I want to see just whats in that folder.( I do like having libraries, just need a way to customize it).

    The most stable OS I believe is 98SE.... XP came close.
    And all the things that are worse than in Vista? Fe the win explorer?
    And the libraries? Create a new folder and in this folder  links to the folders you like!

    i liked the search in Windows XP the best. i think it was the easiest to use. at least in terms of entering data in for for search terms, search filters and stuff like that. vista seems to be ok, but out of my experience, Windows 7 seems to just plain suck when it comes to searching for files that i need. i'm better off just manually finding the files myself. at least i'm organized so i donot have to go on seach missions for anything...lol but i have tested it out and it does suck compared to the old days.

    if i am doing anything wrong, can someone tell me what that is and why?
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:47 PM
  • I think it sucks that Windows 7 beta testers are not getting a free copy of the operating system. at least us beta testers got a free copy of vista. now the only thing i have to look forward to as a beta tester is the RTM and the retail release in October.

    Why looking forward? W7 is not the big throw, really not! Some things worse compared to Vista, what is REALLY better ? Peek, Snap, and so on?
    Snap and desktop preview you can have with Vista, large application "thumbnails" too. I do not want peek with taskbar and alt-tab! Big previews in Vista
    and no peek are better, imo! Fe you can compare the content of "real windows" with content of large "thumbs"!
    One better thing with  W7  is the promotion of MS, what else ?

    i like Windows 7 because my applications actually work with the OS even older ones, even without XP mode, there are exceptions however. thats when i use XP Mode. with vista nothing really worked, not even vista certified applications. i rather use Windows me than vista...lol of course then i know people that are probably suck with it...lol

    at this point i am using Windows 7 as my main OS. its either that or i am using Windows 2000 or XP. oh, by the way, i dislike  aero snap. Aero peek is nice, but i can do without.

    One thing that i would like is for Microsoft to readd the folder customization feature from Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I would also like them to readd the ability to use the classic start menu. we can have a classic appearence theme, just not the start menu for it. i think that if we can have the theme, we should be able to have the start menu and the folder customization feature from Windows 2000 and 98.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:04 PM
  • I do like the Windows 7 op/sys...but I still feel that there is much to be done to cure these problems in the system......I'm still having *sleep* issues (have it totally disabled), still have problems installing both video(ATI) & audio(ASUS) drivers, my Microsoft wireless mouse & keyboard STILL freeze on me for no apparent reason and I have to reboot the op/sys, I've seen no updates in the RC7100 op/sys to address these *bugs*,... and the RTM version is about to be released??....before I consider laying out good money on the RTM, I want these problems taken care of.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:36 PM
  • I do like the Windows 7 op/sys...but I still feel that there is much to be done to cure these problems in the system......I'm still having *sleep* issues (have it totally disabled), still have problems installing both video(ATI) & audio(ASUS) drivers, my Microsoft wireless mouse & keyboard STILL freeze on me for no apparent reason and I have to reboot the op/sys, I've seen no updates in the RC7100 op/sys to address these *bugs*,... and the RTM version is about to be released??....before I consider laying out good money on the RTM, I want these problems taken care of.

    you do realize that there are going to be differences in the RTM version and the relail version of Windows 7. me, being a microsoft partner, i'm going to get it soon. i should have just requested to see if i could have picked it up in Redmond.... if i asked to do so, i could be running build 7600 right now, but instead i have to wait a few days or so, just like a bunch of others....
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:44 PM
  • @55trucker

    before I consider laying out good money on the RTM, I want these problems taken care of.

    You are 100% right! Perhaps now are coming better times for customers (MS´s profit -29%) .
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:16 PM
  • I would like to see the Snipping Tool have the ability to take an image of the Windows (Start) menu.  Currently, it closes the Windows menu when you click on New to take the image.  Perhaps keyboard shortcuts could be implemented to aid in this.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:36 PM
  • Since it's most probably not going to happen (like most of the suggestions here), here's a workaround.
    1) Open Start Menu
    2) Alt+PrintScr
    3) Open Paint/PS/whatever
    4) Paste/Ctrl+V
    5) ???
    6) Profit!
    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:07 PM
  • <Continuation of long thread Have Comments about Windows 7 RC (Part 5) >

    To all forum users:

    Please use this thread to note any comments that you have about Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC). Do not use this thread for any specific question or issue that you are having - just for comments or feedback. For questions/issues that require an answer, create a new thread.

    Thanks

    -Tony Mann
    Windows Client IT Pro Audience Manager for Web Forums, Windows Client Forum Owner
    A badly needed feature for enthusiast users:

    The ability to read nvidia, ATI, Intel, SIS, VIA RAID 0 setup, without nvidia, ATI, Intel, SIS, VIA chipsets, so is easy to migrate from one chipset to another.

    all of them are software RAID
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:35 PM
  • This may sound stupid, but not being able to detach a custom toolbar from the taskbar to place it in on another edge of the screen could make me stick with Vista a while longer. I really miss this feature and can't figure out a way to access my programs quickly without putting all of them in the same overcrowded taskbar.

    Other than that, Seven is pretty cool so far, but those floating/dockable toolbars were damn useful.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:21 PM
  • So far my windows 7 RC runs just fine. I never installed any driver on my vista bundled laptop, and guess what? All i trew at it worked, so far.
    Old games, new ones, old and new software, there all running. Though just a few had some strange behavior, but the still worked.
    Having vista installed a few thousand times, i was never a fan of vista, ever. It was the first thing i did when i received my laptop, remove it.
    Now i am working with windows 7 from the day it was there, you can not compaire it with vista at all.
    Its stable, the number of times i had to force it down i can count on one hand.
    One thing i can asure you, its stil very much prone to viruses. :(

    Do your buddies know what the are doing?
    Do the know you have to run older software as an administrator? If not, then yes you have problems.

    Perhaps its hardware related? I mean anything is possible and i have seen crazy things. My laptop was made for vista, but it runs about a 1000% better on win7, way much faster as well.
    I did not try win7 on my other computers.
    You need to consider that with today prices, it makes litle sense to not upgrade to 64 bit, and no 16 bit code runs on 64 bit windows, unless under Virtual XP, forbidden for Home versions.

    Even 32 bit legacy software and games used 16 bit setup programs.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:36 PM
  • "Sort by" should use date modified if there is no simple date or at least date modified and date created should be include it by default in the condensed "sort by" menu. On previous Windows I think that when you sorted by date it did this, but when I tried this with my videos it did not work, so I had to go to the more option and select date modified from a huge list of sorting options.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:45 PM
  • 1. I gave up trying to use IE 8 with W 7.it crashed almost immediately. Now I use FireFox and it's fine.

    2. I tried to answer the Microsoft Survey and couldn't. Windows 7 gave constant Error messages . Here's one of them.

    Transaction (Process ID 58) was deadlocked on lock | communication buffer resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Rerun the transaction.


    I was unable to send in the Survey.
    Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 PM
  • This may sound stupid, but not being able to detach a custom toolbar from the taskbar to place it in on another edge of the screen could make me stick with Vista a while longer. I really miss this feature and can't figure out a way to access my programs quickly without putting all of them in the same overcrowded taskbar.
    If you haven't already tried, you might like to take a look at the "Nexus" toolbar replacement from Winstep Xtreme. There are a bunch of other dock/bar managers out there, but I've had a few problems with them, mainly because of the x64 OSes that freaked some installers out.

    The freeware Nexus docks are much more flexible and configurable than the windows toolbars. They do have some limitations, but since I use the full Nexus version, I'm not too sure on what features are included and what aren't. By the way, I'm not affiliated with or associated with this software.

    You can mix running tasks (with or without Aero peek) with subdocks and shortcuts, so they're quite a bit more flexible than the startbar and toolbars out of the box. You can dock and undock them to each other or to any screen edge, or leave them floating with mouseover transparency so you don't see them when you don't want to and you can when you do, without complicated hotkeys. You can duplicate entire docks with a couple of clicks, and you can also backup and restore all the docks you make, which is not so simple with toolbars.

    And if (like me) you're unsure whether or if some features and suggestions for toolbars and starbar and systray will be included in the retail release of W7, these might make that less of a problem. So you can buy W7 with confidence, and if the toolbars and other features are fixed, that's a win, and if they're not - well, it's moot. That's pretty close to win-win!
    Data is not Information; Information is not Knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom.
    Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:23 AM
  • Yesterday I downloaded the latest version of Windows 7 on my main machine that has a DVD burner.  First the way the iso image is download is dumb.  I have Comcast Cable modem service and it took over an hour to download the file.  I then try to run the DVD on the test machine which has a Intel motherboard which is a 845 GEB.  It has a 2 MHz Celeron processor with 1 gig of DDR266 ram.  It has a 40 gig harddrive.  The DVD drive is a Hatachi DVD-ROM Model GD-5000.  When I booted the computer up it told me that Windows could not load the driver Code 39.  The operating system on the computer is Windows 7 Ultimate.  When I rebooted the computer and went into the BIOS and booted off the DVD drive it informs me windows is loading files.  The screen comes up is dark blue in the upper left hand corner.  The lower right hand corner is cyan blue to white.  About two inces above that there looks to be a olive leaf with a dove that is white.  If Windows 7 is so great why does it not have a driver for the Hitachi DVD ROM drive?  Is that not what most of what makes windows so bloated.  What do I do?  How can I get it to work?  Why doesn't windows support this drive?  This is not a legacy piece of hardware with jumpers.  This is what I don't like about windows.  The OS is way too big.  Why do you need over 2.5 gigs of harddrive space?  Why do you have to shut the computer down?  Why can't you just turn the computer off like any other thing in this world? 
    Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:51 PM
  • I would like to file my complaint here against the poor support of Web Folders (WebDAV or Web Disk) in Windows 7 x64. This has been a lingering problem since Vista. What's strange is that this feature worked properly in Windows XP, but not in subsequent versions. Why can't the Windows development team get this right?

    Thanks for listening,
    Paul

    Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:19 PM
  • Sure hope Microsoft gives some discounts to all those who stuck with Windows 7 and helped develope it through their feedback and use of the product since the beginning....nudge nudge nudge...Afterall, we saved the corporation millions in sallaries to a dedicated testing team...

    Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:18 AM

  • Why do you have to shut the computer down?   Why can't you just turn the computer off like any other thing in this world?
     


         :))


    Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:51 AM
  • Reinstate the undocking of toolbars from the main taskbar. Or tell us the registry hack to re-enable it.
    How many people have to whine about it, really?
    Toolbars dockable to other sides of the displays was and is a killer feature, and people have been using it a LOT. Personally, I've been using it since Win2k or Win98 (don't remember which had this facility first). That's at least 9 years. Bring it back. No questions asked.
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:47 PM
  • bad news: if you've been hoping the RTM addresses your pet peeves, you'll be probably disappointed.  I've been reading sevenforums where by hook or by crook many people are using the RTM.  no one can say anything has changed from the RC.  only thing definitive is the default wallpaper and possibly some minor bug fixes.  Some people say it "feels more finished" but they can't cite any changes so I don't know what that means.  (FWIW, the people on that forum appear much more fanboyish than people here.)

    Specifically, RTM still: a) does NOT show free disk space on the status bar, b) has that stupid "more details" if you select more than 15 files in win exp., c) has no network activity indicator, d) no way to clear the recent list of a pinned app except by removing one by one.  These are very simple things many people here asked for that they could've done but just would not.  (a, b, and c are regressions from XP.)

    I was very excited by the beta but now I'm disappointed.  Of course the media will simply give 7 a thumbs up just for not being Vista at launch (and possibly to compensate for being hard on Vista).  Too bad.  It means MS will have no incentive to change anything.

    Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:26 PM
  • I was very excited by the beta but now I'm disappointed.  Of course the media will simply give 7 a thumbs up just for not being Vista at launch (and possibly to compensate for being hard on Vista).  Too bad.  It means MS will have no incentive to change anything.



    Regards,
    Kristaps.

    P.S.: Epic shoop is epic.
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:33 PM
  • bad news: if you've been hoping the RTM addresses your pet peeves, you'll be probably disappointed.  I've been reading sevenforums where by hook or by crook many people are using the RTM.  no one can say anything has changed from the RC.  only thing definitive is the default wallpaper and possibly some minor bug fixes.  Some people say it "feels more finished" but they can't cite any changes so I don't know what that means.  (FWIW, the people on that forum appear much more fanboyish than people here.)

    Specifically, RTM still: a) does NOT show free disk space on the status bar, b) has that stupid "more details" if you select more than 15 files in win exp., c) has no network activity indicator, d) no way to clear the recent list of a pinned app except by removing one by one.  These are very simple things many people here asked for that they could've done but just would not.  (a, b, and c are regressions from XP.)

    I was very excited by the beta but now I'm disappointed.  Of course the media will simply give 7 a thumbs up just for not being Vista at launch (and possibly to compensate for being hard on Vista).  Too bad.  It means MS will have no incentive to change anything.


    Yes, agreed. Sad, but it´s exactly true.
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:47 PM
  • MS needs -80 % in earning, perhaps THEN they start to do the obvious things.
    Perhaps now THEY think new kiddy-colourfull wallpapers are most important, and the important things are just bells and whistles, Aero more important than
    a well designed explorer, libraries more important than details with more than 15 files ............ BTW did anybody really expect MS to change the design? Maybe they´d like but feared side effects! Or they want to show MS is the boss, not the customer! If nobody updowngrades to Win 7 they WILL support XP still longer OR do what the customers want! It´s up to you, CUSTOMERS!!
    • Edited by karlx Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:56 PM
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:39 PM
  • Stupid question, maybe, but english is not my first language: what RTM means?

    (I know I have not to make questions here, but is a matter of this thread)
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:54 PM
  • Some things from my first 10 minutes with Windows 7 (ultimate v6.1 build 7600):

    • Control Panel > View by: > Small icons  -->  the list is alphabetized across rows AND down columns. Ex. R1C1=Aa..., R1C2=Ab..., R1C3=Ac..., R2C1=Ba..., etc. In XP it'd run down columns only.
    • Control Panel when viewed by icons --> those icons are more like buttons; there's no 'white space' in which to right-click
    • Folder Options > View (tab) --> where have the tooltips gone? In XP, a right-click on an item in the list displays the "What's This?" option to display the tooltip. 
    • When "Show Hidden Files" option is enabled (in the Folder Options panel), two desktop.ini files appear on the desktop. Behavior differs from XP.
    • Control Panel > Color Management > Display [color] Calibration --> have a look at how OS X does it... For one thing, there's no "Back" button! An example of "Good Gamma/Brightness/Contrast" is displayed, then click Next to continue, and hope that you remember what you're shooting for. Need a way to go Back!
    • msconfig > Boot --> /SOS is now "OS boot information". Are you trying to confuse me?
    • *Obvious Issue*: enable Desktop toolbar > move to furthest-left position (in-between the 'Start' button and "Pinned" programs) > condense Desktop toolbar (to leave only the 'double-arrows' [and no icons]) > Lock the taskbar --> 'first' icon in Desktop toolbar will be 'clipped' (only the left-most ~20px. are displayed; i.e. a rough/poor crop)
    • What have you done to the taskbar context menu for open windows / running applications? In addition to the "Frequent" list which you can't seem to get enough of, I see 3 things: The selected (right-clicked) application (...in...case...I...want to start another instance..???), "Pin this program to the taskbar" (such a frequently-used feature to justify it's own entry in a context menu???), and Close Window. So now the ONLY way to "Move" a window is by right-clicking the titlebar. This is an issue because, on occasion, a window can be moved off-scren such that the titlebar is not accessible (examples: with javascript; display 'cropping' parts of desktop; etc.), and {right-click taskbar button > Move} is often the only solution, especially if window position is not reset upon application launch.  
    • When will you finally enable "Do not save encrypted pages to disk" in Internet Explorer by default? 



    And a few more things... (FYI, while I've used Vista a bit, I prefer XP. I'm not sure how many of these things are changes from XP to Vista, or new to Windows 7)
    • Click Windows Explorer (one of the default "pinned" programs) on the taskbar (initial/default path will be "Libraries") > open "Documents (library)" > two of every folder will be displayed (2x My Music, 2x My Pictures, and 2x My Videos) --> attempting to open any of the folders will result in "Access is denied." error. Seems to me the problem is that, despite "My Documents" (users' docs) AND "Public Documents" being in "Library locations" list, both of the duplicate icons 'point to' \Users\Public. Shouldn't one point to public and the other to the user-specific doc's? Furthermore, why is access to \Users\Public\* denied ?
    • Re: the preceding item in my list... Only seems to be an issue when "Show hidden files..." is enabled in Folder Options. Hmmmm...
    • Right-click address bar in Windows Explorer > "Delete History" --> what a dumb item to have in that menu! ...I...M...H...O... (edit: and it clears the "Run" MRU! Arrrggghhh!!)
    • What's with the white selection 'box' in Icon views? i.e. transparent portions of icons are only transparent when not selected
    • right-click on Desktop > View > Show desktop icons --> seems like it'll make it easy for many users 'vanish' their desktop icons...and a feature that few people really need

    That's it for now. Thanks for reading. Hope I've been helpful!

    P.S.  I really hate this WYSIWYG editor that your forum uses. Also, it has issues with unordered lists (I just had a 'double bullet' appear -- i.e. two bullets, both 1/2 size, in the space of one). In addition, bold text seems not to work. Running most current version of Firefox. Firefox being the cause, I assume? I really wish you used vBulletin!
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:56 PM
  • Stupid question, maybe, but english is not my first language: what RTM means?

    (I know I have not to make questions here, but is a matter of this thread)
    DrGerry, RTM means Release To Manufacturing, or, in other words, the product is finished and is going to be replicated to be then, sold in mass.

    Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:28 PM
  • If nobody updowngrades to Win 7 they WILL support XP still longer OR do what the customers want! It´s up to you, CUSTOMERS!!
    Yes, there is just too much that is still broken since Vista, and even more broken "features" added.

    Im not buying Windows 7 this way. Sticking with XP here. Maybe if later, in a Service Pack they fix it, I can buy. Or, let´s just wait for Windows 8 or 9 or 2022 and see if they can make Windows Explorer useful again.
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:31 PM
  • @ fender bender

    for moving a window use shift+right click taskbar button !


    • Edited by karlx Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:26 PM
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:15 PM
  • WARNING: This post may contain wry comments and/or traces of sarcasm. Please ensure you have appropriate protection fitted.

    Maybe MS is leaving some or all of these frequently commented-on "features" in the final release, as a "teaser" for developers to provide applications to improve on, before SP1 comes out on January 22nd? (just to pick a figure of 90 days after official release).

    [/WRY COMMENTS]

    Two of the first things I tested on the W7 x64 RC were my usual file explorer replacement and a startbar and toolbar replacement, so I didn't really experience the toolbar and explorer issues until yesterday.

    I now understand why so many people have commented and discussed these two functionality issues. Wow.

    Maybe these usability issues are indications of a design choice MS have made WRT to new features or functions that may be added in "down the track"?

    Sorry, that's not feedback I know, it's uneducated guessing. But maybe there's actually a good reason the feedback and requests for functionality fixes like these may not have been addressed in the final release.
    Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:48 PM
  • WARNING: This post may contain wry comments and/or traces of sarcasm. Please ensure you have appropriate protection fitted.

    Maybe MS is leaving some or all of these frequently commented-on "features" in the final release, as a "teaser" for developers to provide applications to improve on, before SP1 comes out on January 22nd? (just to pick a figure of 90 days after official release).

    [/WRY COMMENTS]

    Two of the first things I tested on the W7 x64 RC were my usual file explorer replacement and a startbar and toolbar replacement, so I didn't really experience the toolbar and explorer issues until yesterday.

    I now understand why so many people have commented and discussed these two functionality issues. Wow.

    Maybe these usability issues are indications of a design choice MS have made WRT to new features or functions that may be added in "down the track"?

    Sorry, that's not feedback I know, it's uneducated guessing. But maybe there's actually a good reason the feedback and requests for functionality fixes like these may not have been addressed in the final release.

    Problem is these are not bugs to be fixed.  These are conscious design decisions they made and did not change despite the feedback from beta testers.  Will they change now?  How would that happen?  I don't think there's going to be a "send feedback" link on top of every window in the retail version.  So if you're the average user and you don't like how they tookaway the up button, let's say, how do you even make Microsoft aware of it?  Call?  What number?  Go to microsoft.com and see if you can find some place to send feedback on windows.  99% of people will just give up after a few minutes.  win7 will be a success and we will just be the fringe minority that nitpicks about stuff nobody else cares about.  Expect win8 to take away even more features you use and see no reason for removal.

    It's like if the test audience says they hate the ending of a movie, but the director says "nope not changing it".  Then the movie becomes a big hit.  You think the director will then says "gee, maybe if I'd changed the ending it would've been an even bigger hit."  No.  He'll say "ha, glad I didn't listen to those idiots."
    Friday, July 31, 2009 3:24 PM
  • Thanks
    Friday, July 31, 2009 7:50 PM
  • Yeah, I know, we're singing to the same audience.

    And I realise that MS can and probably would cite legal reasons for not informing us of any feature suggestions nominated in these forums being present in the RTM release. Which is kinda ____-backwards to my way of thinking... If I knew that explorer properties, relocatable toolbars, and some (or preferably all) of the other much-discussed improvements and fixes were in the commercial release (at least, compared to build 7100), I'd be lining up on opening night!

    Instead, like many folks here, I expect I'll wait a few weeks or months after launch to see what bits (if any!) are incorporated in the retail product. As long as I can keep the RC system working until expiry, I'll just sit and watch and wait and see what gets included and what gets delayed until "Director's Cut"/SP1.

    I know (wearing my wry hat for a sentence) that these forum discussions may eventually be marketed as "incorporating public technical community suggestions/feedback", regardless of what improvements (if any) or tweaks are incorporated. But I knew and understood that when I signed on, so that's my decision and I'm sticking with it.

    In any case, it will be interesting to see public reactions once people have got over the glitz and glamour of the new UI (and after all, it IS really nice!) and settled down to installing it (Hey! Why can't I install from the DVD, why is it asking me for drivers?  Hey, why can't I really migrate from my XP home system? Hey, where have all my other networked laptops running XP gone?) migrating groups of files (Hey! Where are all the properties and summaries gone?) or customising (Hey! Why can't I select individual backgrounds for my monitors? Hey! Where are all the colours gone? Hey, why can't I turn off transparency for maximised windows?)...

    Know what I'd like? I'd like a list of all the suggestions for features and enhancements suggested in these forums that made it into the released product, before the product is released.

    I'm not asking for a list of every feature in the OS, and I'm not asking for a legally-constrainable or NDA-only list, just an idea of what actually made it from these forums into the final release, in whatever form.

    Any takers?

    [EDIT] I know some build 7600 users may (and other less scrupulous types already have got their hands on a RTM product build and will ) probably post the changes long before release date! But it would be a nice consideration to the many folks who have posted suggestions, helped other people out, and generally just kept the conversation lively here if MS would do those people (not me!) the courtesy of at least allowing them to know if their suggestions and feedback were anything more than "appreciated"...[/EDIT]
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 12:26 AM
  • Microsoft likely doesn't have a secret list of features, what you see is what you'll get. Everything that was in the RC will be in the RTM, nothing more. And they probably don't want non-essential personel to know about the final bits, so if they decided you were worth telling any secrets to they'd most likely tell you to sign the NDA or go home.

    And what problem do you have finding file properties?

    And when will it be possible to have independent backgrounds for displays? It's been way too long. I thought for sure it'd be in this release.

    Saturday, August 1, 2009 12:59 AM
  • PC Pete

    It's not likely that you will find a definitive list of all the changes that were made, based on the feedback in these forums. Microsoft has hundreds of feedback mechanisms that they maintain.

    One thing that you can do, if you really want to gain some insight into the process of how Microsoft designs and builds a new version of Windows is to read all of the articles in the Engineering Windows 7 Blog.

    There are 65 articles there, starting back in August 2008, that cover all of the major phases of what goes into building Windows. Most of these articles are written by members of the Windows 7 Development Team. Read the articles carefully, keep an open mind and you will get some real insights into how the hard decisions are made.

    Use the Archives menu on the right side of the page to navigate.

    Have fun.

    Thank You for testing Windows 7

    Ronnie Vernon MVP

    Saturday, August 1, 2009 1:13 AM
    Moderator
  • "Show more details" in details area in win expl with more than 15 files selected: I "really" think that that was a hard design decision! Radio gaga is greeting! 

    Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:34 AM
  • Hello There, I've found some problems in windows 7 that I hope it to be fixed, any of them.
    Maybe some of them are unchangeable, but please do not let them cover the changeable things that has to be done! Tnx.
    1. Media Player
      1. Seeking using keyboard doesn't work, using  arrow keys  +/- shift key or so.
        1. Place an option for the amount of time of forwarding with left-right key or with the shift left-right key (In seconds, e.g. 10 Seconds or so)
      1. It can not recognize a previous playlist, while a single file has been played and ask to resume it like it was in previous versions. It was really perfect when you had some playlist being played and wanted to test some sounds in your hard drive and after that resume the playlist.
      2. It doesn't resume previous playlist when starting in library mode
      3. Place a place for playing in library mode so it shows both library and playing content (specially videos, because it is just so disgusting to resize the windows all the time when you want to check your video or sound library with their big pictures)
      4. When a sound has captions (subtitles) it can not play it forward with the text and just shows the starting text.
      5. When a sound has captions (subtitles), it doesn't show the album art even in the now playing mode
      6. When minimized, you can not seek 
      7. When minimized, you can not make it stayed in small size, while the video doesn't disappear like previous versions

     

    1. Windows
      1. Search
        1. At least place an advanced search pane when pressing F3.
          1. If we want to choose custom folders then search, we have to start a search, try to CATCH the 'customs locations'  so that it doesn’t  go Down Below the Search Results. Or we Must wait for the Green Bar to appear, then try to find and click fast the red X button to stop the search so that we can catch the Customs.
        1. We want to start a predesigned search before starting a Ultra High Level (Kids friendly) search and try to find all our needed things in different directions and under different circumstances, So let it be!. In the year 2009, there must be some advanced search in Microsoft Windows, no?
        2. Where is all the search Videos, Pictures, Documents and …?
          1. They are all needed really. The Videos was omitted even in windows Vista. When today's world is the era of Videos not pictures, so ….?
          2. Place an option so that we can add or remove the extensions when looking for the videos, pictures, ...
      1. When in the Windows Explorer and in desired drive folder, it doesn't show the total size of the drive, so we can do the things faster if we select nothing and it says the Total and Free Space of the current drive when in root folder. It shows only the total Item, so many place for the Free and Total Space too. It is really needed too.
      2. The taskbar icons when in Icon mode, can be useful, but when we do not want to Group them, and change the option in properties, it can only disable Grouping in addition to enable Labels. It would be so much appropriate to be able to disable Grouping while in Icon mode (Hide Labels mode). Let it be there too, it makes it cleaner and faster
    Sincerely Yours, A.R.Manashty. Software Computer Engineering Student
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:39 AM
  • Well what can I say except bye bye Vista.  I have been using Windows 7 RC for a while now and offer my congrats on ensuring this OS is full tested before release.  This is no question but my only groan at moment is WMP seems to have problems with USB headsets.  I am now fully convinced by Windows 7 the best OS from you by far and my pre order is in.  I am one of those sceptics about obtaining new OS on release, Vista was one example Ive got my OEM copy gathering dust and thats all it will do, until the release I will stick to XP Pro.  It is also good that here in Europe that Windows 7 will be full install with the option of 64bit included never thought I would say this but 9 out of 10 for this one.

    Thanx
    Simon Longden COMP TIA A+
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:54 AM
  • The taskbar icons when in Icon mode, can be useful, but when we do not want to Group them, and change the option in properties, it can only disable Grouping in addition to enable Labels. It would be so much appropriate to be able to disable Grouping while in Icon mode (Hide Labels mode). Let it be there too, it makes it cleaner and faster

    With vista there is this option. I hacked the registry to group icons when more than 3 open. In Win 7 nochance! Either nogroup or icon-view
     ---> hard design decision, vista downgraded! Radio ......
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 11:07 AM
  •  (though Vista also has the horrible Explorer).

    In one point vista explorer is really to spew:it´s forgetfullness of it´s size!  In THIS regard w7 explorer is undoubtedly better!
    I´d like to know what "infinite" wisdom stood behind this (vista explorer) "design" decision !
    Or just beta - programmers , not ready to release to professional programming ?
    Saturday, August 1, 2009 4:13 PM
  • Thanks for the suggestion, Ronnie.

    I was involved (in a looking-over-the-shoulder kinda way) with PCHW'95 while I was in PC support for a multinational, and it was the most fascinating thing I'd ever seen done. Not only technically (although that was a hoot), but the logistics of getting changes agreed to - let alone done! - and the amount of roaring and screaming that went on behind the scenes was an eye-popper.

    I don't think things have gotten any easier. And I have been watching the W7 developer blogs as much as I've been able to, that's still just as enjoyable, even if it's only what can be discussed publically.

    I guess the difficulty now, compared with W95/PCHW95, is that MS is asking for a lot more feedback than was even concievable then. That's great for us technowannabes, but unless we're involved at a much deeper level (and if we were, we wouldn't be able to discuss it anyway), there's not much feedback for US.

    I can sympathise with some folks who were kinda expecting a free licence when W7 finally went gold (or RTM) (after all, I got a free licence AND a T-shirt after Win95 was released), but that's a marketing/support decision made out of our league.

    For me, I'm happy just to be involved and trying out the W7 stuff and seeing what works and what doesn't, it's a ball - even after all these years. And despite my sarcastic entreaties for more feedback, I love this stuff, and I really like the potential of W7.

    But for all the other folks who have spent a significant amount of time and resources testing, installing, frying, rebuilding, testing, commenting, crashing, installing new builds, testing.... there just seems to be precious little coming back the other way.

    There's probably not a lot that anyone can say about features that may or may not be the result of one person's comments or a thousand similar comments, that's not the point. But there is a lot of interest in what, exactly, is going into the final release and what's going to be left out. 

    Currently, the only real way to find out is to watch what gets leaked (and it will get leaked, but which may or may not contain legitimate features), or until something falls off the back of a truck. Either way, it's going to make it back here, and then there won't be diddly squat MS can do, other than to make "no comment", which as we know, isn't "no comment" at all. :)

    And there's probably not much that MS can do in terms of releasing otherwise protected information, but that's not what I'm about, and I can't speak for anyone else on that. It's not the secrets, it's whether or not stuff has been fixed. If it has, then we're (or I'm, anyway) more likely to spread the word, even if it's only to get more folks interested in trying out the RC that otherwise wouldn't. And I'm definitely more likely to buy the thing sooner rather than later. Maybe that's irrelevant in the scheme of things. I think there are just too many decimal points between what I can bring to MS and what the rest of the world does, realistically.

    So I suspect that I'm making a completely irrelevant point about something that no-one gives a flying duck about, but in all the time I've been a pseudo-technohead, this is the first time I've been able to make a real contribution to a new OS, and I'd like it on the record anyway, even if no-one else buys it.
    Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:25 AM
  • I really believe Microsoft should have done a couple more builds before the sign off . I don't know what will happen with Vista but suspect some die hards will hang in like XP Pro . I have liked Vista since day one even with the flaws . Everybody was pushing for me to get a Mac .I got one and sold it two months later . It wasn't as user friendly or any faster or slower than Vista .
    I really like some things in Windows 7 , But the Boot up screen is horrible as far as art and imagination. Still seems to have several compatibility issues with printers especially the AIO's .
     The system still seems very unstable at the moment and I can't really count on it not reverting back and have seen many things change right before eyes that aren't good and I feel if the product goes public without addressing the bugs and imcompatibilities it's more fodder for Mac.
    Alvin
    Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:29 PM