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  • Question

  • Hi,

    A couple of days ago my son in law asked me if I could install XP on a separate drive so that he could run some old games on his Windows 10 machine.

    Having done this myself a few years back I didn't foresee any problems and went ahead, loading XP on a second free drive in his machine.

    OOPs

    When complete all the machine see's is XP and there is no boot for W10 on start up.

    If I go into My Computer I can see the drive with all the files pertaining to W10 so everything is still there but I don't understand where I went wrong. Is there any way of reverting this back to original state or should I shoot myself before my son in law does.LOL

    Any advise would be gratefully received.

    MM

    Sunday, January 19, 2020 6:41 PM

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  • you could try to use the Startup Repair after booting from Windows 10 installation media:
    How to use Startup Repair to fix boot problems with Windows 10

    But as a normal Windows 10 system boots from a UEFI bios (or you are missing out on some security features),
    and Windows XP required legacy bios: did you perhaps change the bios settings?

    Wouldn't a virtual machine be more practical than dual booting?
    Sunday, January 19, 2020 7:23 PM
  • Hi speadster123,

    Firstly, I'd like to say: many old games can be executed with Windows 10. So, do the least modification with PC, unless the old game does not work on Windows 10.

    I'm not sure if you made your son's PC dual-boot (OS can be switched between Windows XP and 10).
    If you want to do a dual-boot, please try "EasyBCD" (a freeware).
         

    [Note]
       EasyBCD is a simple and easy to use. But it requires some knowledge about MBR, boot loader, etc.
       If you are not confident in yourself, please stop using it. 

    Regards,

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Monday, January 20, 2020 12:06 AM
  • Hi there,

    Thanks for taking the time to make these suggestions in regard to my dilemma.

    As for the startup Repair tool to fix the problem, not sure if I can even get to it as on the boot sequence the old logo shows not the W10 logo. As to Bios changes, The only thing I changed was for the first boot device to be the CD Rom, which then require to " press any key to boot from cd rom".

    As to virtual machines, I know very little about.

    Thanks

    Monday, January 20, 2020 12:54 PM
  • Hi There,

    I am pretty sure it is not dual boot because there is no option on boot up to select either OS's. It boots straight into XP.

    I will try to get EAsyBCD and have a look at it see if that will help.

    In regards to W10 playing the older games, he spent hours looking for ways to make it work without success.

    Regrds

    Monday, January 20, 2020 1:06 PM
  • Download VMWare Player and load XP as a virtual machine. 

    https://www.vmware.com/products/workstation-player/workstation-player-evaluation.html


    It's really easy. The VM is just a set of files on your disk. I run a Win10 Pro machine on my laptop where I try out new stuff and questionable software.  If it gets corrupted, I just delete the files and build a new one.  The one issue that you might run into is if the game expects a high end graphics card. 

    I would recommend that you try a VM first before messing with the boot loader. If it doesn't work, you can just uninstall the software and delete the VM's files.  

     
    • Edited by MotoX80 Monday, January 20, 2020 10:22 PM
    Monday, January 20, 2020 10:11 PM
  • Hi speadster123,

    You wrote
        If I go into My Computer I can see the drive with all the files pertaining to W10 
    I'd like to confirm the meaning of "My Computer".
    Do you mean "My Computer" as (1) "This PC" in Windows 10, or (2) the PC owned by you?
    If it is (1), you did a wrong operation.  If (2), it has no relation to the issue.

    Please provide the more detailed information about your son's PC. What do you see in Disk Management (in Control Panel), how are drives, or partitions?
    If you could install XP as you expected, there should be at least two drives (two partitions in one physical HDD/SSD), or two physical HDD/SSD. 
    I hope you will share a screenshot via cloud storage such as OneDrive, Dropbox, etc.

    Regards,

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:19 AM
  • Hi speadster123,

    I suppose we need to think about two phases.
    1) (resolve the present issue) make Windows 10 bootable as before.
    2) (after resolving the current issue) make Windows XP usable for playing old games.
       I recommend to make a virtual machine of XP, by VirtualBox (a freeware by Oracle).

    Regards,


    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:55 AM
  • Hi Ashidacchi,

    When I refer to "My Computer" I do mean as you say, the icon on the desktop which opens up a window showing all drives on the system. 

    when windows 10 was running I labelled the blank drive (E: Games) so that I could easily identify the drive that I wanted to install XP on to. I didn't think that it would effect the original C: drive.

    There are two physical Hard drives, Both 500GB. 

    C:Drive is System Reserved

    D:Drive is Games 

    E:Drive is Local.

    A in your next message making windows 10 bootable would be great if its possible.

    Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:52 PM
  • You can fix it on separate hard disk on the same computer as a new drivrutin to play the old games.


    hassansayedissa

    Tuesday, January 21, 2020 6:13 PM
  • Hi speadster123,

    Thank you for your reply.
    In advance, please understand what I want to say, even if my English is not good.
    Correct my understandings, and add information if necessary.

      1) You have two physical HDDs (each capacity is 500GB). 
          You need to provide partition information, or provide where each logical drive (C-E) is located (e.g. D drive is in the second physical HDD).
          Please see it in Disk Management: 
          [Windows]+[R] > type "diskmgmt.msc" (without quotes) > [Enter]
          You will see Disk 0 and Disk 1, and one or more than one partitions in Disk 0 (also in Disk 1). Disk 0 and 1 is a physical HDD and drive [C]~[E] are partitions (logical drives) in two physical HDD.
        

      2) You installed Windows XP on Windows 10 (while Windows 10 was running).
         You wanted to install XP on D drive (Games).

      3) Now the computer boots with Windows XP.

    (2) is so-called "dual-boot" or "multi-boot", if it could finish successfully.
    I'm afraid it could not in your case, since you cannot select boot-OS (XP or 10).
    So, I recommend to use "EasyBCD".

    Anyway, I hope you will get a screenshot of Disk Management and share it via cloud storage such as OneDrive, Dropbox. It will help me to understand your situation.

    The above is all in phase 1 for resolving the present issue.
    If the issue is resolved (Windows 10 can boot), we can try phase 2. 

    Regards, 

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com



    • Edited by Ashidacchi Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:13 AM add more
    Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:06 AM
  • Hi Ashidacchi,

    I have a picture of the Disk Management but cannot upload it here. If this doesn't work, do you have an email address I can send it to.

    Regards

    Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:02 AM
  • Hi speadster123,

    I feel hesitant about publishing my email address on this (or that) forum. 
    Can't you use cloud storage such as OneDrive, Dropbox, etc?

    Regards,

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com


    • Edited by Ashidacchi Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:12 AM typo
    Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:12 AM
  • Hello Ashidacchi,

    Dropbox is now downloaded and images of the drives saved to it. How do I make this available to you. Do I share it with http://hokusosha.com

    Regards

    Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:38 AM
  • Hello speadster123,

    After you upload images (files) in Dropbox, 
    1) move mouse pointer on an image and you will see [...] on the top-right on the image.
        

    2) click [...] and select [Share] and select [Copy Link].
    And write the linked address in your post (you don't have to know my email address).
        

    Now, my language setting of Dropbox is Japanese, so I cannot correct button name. Please guess...  

    For further and correct how-to share files via Dropbox, please refer to this article: 
    https://help.dropbox.com/guide/individual/how-to-share-files-folders#share-view-only

    Regards,

    # If using Dropbox is tiresome for you, please show your email addres in your post (After I get it, remove/mask it for your privacy).

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Thursday, January 23, 2020 10:33 AM
  • https://www.dropbox.com/sh/02e27c72yd266jv/AAD8VkIpObpxXXUyxULfm2TNa?dl=0

    Just sending this as trial. if you can access it please let me know.

    Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:05 AM
  • Thank you for providing photos.

    But they are pictures taken by a camera and not what I want.

    Please take screenshots and share them.
    In Windows XP (also in 10), you can take a screenshot of an active window by [Alt]+[Print Screen].
    Please let Disk Management active (top window) and [Alt]+[PrintScreen].
    (it does copy a screenshot in memory, so, you need to run Paint and paste the image to Paint and save it as a file)

    # In advance, sorry for my rude expression.
       If you don't know how to take a screenshot (it's a very novice method), it would hard for you to solve the current issue.

    If you don't have self-confidence, please consult your friends near you (who can see the problematic computer).
    Regards,

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:32 AM
  • Hi,

    Yes, I do know how to take screen shots, I can save them to a memory stick and transfer them to the drop box I created on my PC. I have to go out for a few hours so will have them uploaded for you in a couple of hours. I appreciate the time differences between us having worked for Japanese company for a long time.

    Will reply asap.

    MM

    Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:50 AM
  • Hi,

    I watched a shared image and found [C] drive is NOT for Windows (neither 10 nor XP).

    When Windows OS (10, 8.1. 7, vista, or XP) boots, [C] drive will be a boot OS (in your case, Windows 10 is expected).
    But [C] drive is not Windows (neither 10 nor XP).
      

    I don't know what you have done, but do know something very strange happens in the computer.

    I have a few scenarios for your case, but it's impossible to explain with words unless I can see the computer.
    I must say again, please consult your friends who can see and  touch the computer.

    I hope he/she will be able to use EasyBCD and repair boot partition.

    Regards,

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com


    Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:06 PM
  • I have downloaded EasyBCD as suggested which I will install on sick computer, will update with results.
    Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:27 PM
  • Hi speadster123,

    How is the issue? Resolved?

    Ashidacchi -- http://hokusosha.com

    Wednesday, January 29, 2020 7:44 AM