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Fresh install of Windows 8 cannot see all the computers and shares on netwrok....Why????????? Win 7 fresh install can... RRS feed

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  • I have a PC with a fresh install of Windows 8 Enterprise x64. I have not yet joined it to our domain nor would I normally join it to a domain until I have completely finished setting it up and installing all the software etc.

    With windows 7 I have to do NOTHING but install the system and tell it, when it asks, that I am on a "work" type of network in order to have access to ALL the available shares on both domains in our forest. This does not work in Win 8 and there seems to be no "work" type of network setting to use. I have told the system to treat the network as a private network, enabled sharing in all the places I could find and even did a reg hack and a local policy adjustment to try to make this work but it still will not work. Set it to not require 128 bit encryption etc. (The Win 8 actually has no shared folder or printer nor will t ever have any, it just needs to be able to access the shares I have setup on other servers, Win 7 and XP systems in our network, no exceptions allowed just like our Win 7 and XP systems do now, common sense of course.)

    The Win 8 system is physically connected to our "Staff" Domain sub net. I have a Windows 2003 Server x64 on our "Student" domain with a share I need to access. The domains have a trust relationship. I cannot ping the server, nor does Win 8 seem to be able to find it no matter how I have told it to find it. I can bring in my personal Win 7 Home or XP Home system plug it in to the same network jack as the Win 8 PC and I can find and access this server without joining the domain or doing anything special and I expect the same out of Win 8. Even Vista worked better than Win 8 does.

    I might also mention that I have 3 other PCs in my office, I am one of our companies sr. IT support people, 1 is Win 7 x32, another is a Win 7 x64 system and the third is a Win XP Pro system. All are joined to the "Staff" domain. The Win 8 PC sees the two Win 7 PCs but not the XP PC. It can, however, ping all three PCs. All of the PCs are on the same switch and are connected to the same domain sub net as the Win 8 PC. It needles to say should be able to easily access the share on my XP system, but Win 8 can't even find the PC even thought it can ping it. That is UNREAL!!!!

    Needless to say there is no excuse for Microsoft to have changed a single solitary thing in how the networking works in Win 8 from the way it worked in Win 7 as Win 7 was not broke. (Of course Win 8 was not needed in the first place and should not exist, at least not as written, but that is another story, just common sense.)

    So what I need from the Microsoft experts is an EXACT cannot fail set of steps that will 1000% guarantee that when done this Win 8 system will work EXACTLY like my Win 7 and XP system and be able find and access ALL my shares, pending successful authentication, when asked, of course, on the network in both domains, no exception allowed.

    It is important to remember that my network is NOT broke, it is Windows 8 that is broken and that is the only thing that needs to be tweaked and changed. If I can do it in Win 7 or XP, right out of the box so to speak, then I expect to be able to do it in Win 8, no exceptions allowed. That is just common sense, of course, something the developers of Win 8 seem to have forgotten about, taking a perfectly good proverbial "wheel" and reinventing it, only to make it square instead of round and and of course therefor unable to even do the simplest of tasks the original unbroken wheel could do. (Same thing they did with the office ribbon, a MAJOR MESS-UP and ridiculous illogical useless method of finding the Office options that did not need to be changed!!!)

    Thanks for the help,

    Ralph Malph

    Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:49 PM

Answers

  • Ralph Malph 2 wrote:

    I have a PC with a fresh install of Windows 8 Enterprise x64. I have
    not yet joined it to our domain nor would I normally join it to a
    domain until I have completely finished setting it up and installing
    all the software etc.

    With windows 7 I have to do NOTHING but install the system and tell
    it, when it asks, that I am on a "work" type of network in order to
    have access to ALL the available shares on both domains in our
    forest. This does not work in Win 8 and there seems to be no "work"
    type of network setting to use. I have told the system to treat the
    network as a private network, enabled sharing in all the places I
    could find and even did a reg hack and a local policy adjustment to
    try to make this work but it still will not work. Set it to not
    require 128 bit encryption etc. (The Win 8 actually has no shared
    folder or printer nor will t ever have any, it just needs to be able
    to access the shares I have setup on other servers, Win 7 and XP
    systems in our network, no exceptions allowed just like our Win 7 and
    XP systems do now, common sense of course.)


    The Win 8 system is physically connected to our "Staff" Domain sub
    net. I have a Windows 2003 Server x64 on our "Student" domain with a
    share I need to access. The domains have a trust relationship. I
    cannot ping the server, nor does Win 8 seem to be able to find it no
    matter how I have told it to find it. I can bring in my personal Win
    7 Home or XP Home system plug it in to the same network jack as the
    Win 8 PC and I can find and access this server without joining the
    domain or doing anything special and I expect the same out of Win 8.
    Even Vista worked better than Win 8 does.

    I might also mention that I have 3 other PCs in my office, I am one
    of our companies sr. IT support people, 1 is Win 7 x32, another is a
    Win 7 x64 system and the third is a Win XP Pro system. All are joined
    to the "Staff" domain. The Win 8 PC sees the two Win 7 PCs but not
    the XP PC. It can, however, ping all three PCs. All of the PCs are on
    the same switch and are connected to the same domain sub net as the
    Win 8 PC. It needles to say should be able to easily access the share
    on my XP system, but Win 8 can't even find the PC even thought it can
    ping it. That is UNREAL!!!!

    Needless to say there is no excuse for Microsoft to have changed a
    single solitary thing in how the networking works in Win 8 from the
    way it worked in Win 7 as Win 7 was not broke. (Of course Win 8 was
    not needed in the first place and should not exist, at least not as
    written, but that is another story, just common sense.)

    So what I need from the Microsoft experts is an EXACT cannot fail
    set of steps that will 1000% guarantee that when done this Win 8
    system will work EXACTLY like my Win 7 and XP system and be able find
    and access ALL my shares, pending successful authentication, when
    asked, of course, on the network in both domains, no exception
    allowed.

    It is important to remember that my network is NOT broke, it is
    Windows 8 that is broken and that is the only thing that needs to be
    tweaked and changed. If I can do it in Win 7 or XP, right out of the
    box so to speak, then I expect to be able to do it in Win 8, no
    exceptions allowed. That is just common sense, of course, something
    the developers of Win 8 seem to have forgotten about, taking a
    perfectly good proverbial "wheel" and reinventing it, only to make it
    square instead of round and and of course therefor unable to even do
    the simplest of tasks the original unbroken wheel could do. (Same
    thing they did with the office ribbon, a MAJOR MESS-UP and ridiculous
    illogical useless method of finding the Office options that did not
    need to be changed!!!)

    Thanks for the help,

    Ralph Malph

    You probably need to enable Netbios over TCP/IP for IPv4. Only with
    this protocol you can browse to PCs running OSs before WinVista/Win2008.

    And if you say you cannot ping the server, did you try it via
    IP-adress, too? If it does not work via IP-address you have either a
    Firewall problem or a wrong IP-address setup. If it does work via
    Ip-address you have DNS resolution not working properly - try it with
    the FQDN and look which DNS servers are used by this PC.

    Networking in Win7 and Win8 for Work Networks or Private Networks is
    essentially not different - so if you setup your Win8 PC exactly like
    your Win7 PC both should be able to access the same resources.


    Wolfgang
    Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:16 PM